Linux-Misc Digest #386, Volume #20 Sat, 29 May 99 00:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Re: KDE vs. GNOME (Lev Babiev)
Re: Beowulf--which version? ("Cliff")
Linux History FAQ (Gene Wilburn)
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom (Maciej Stachowiak)
Re: Offline newsreader for Linux (Ian Briggs)
Re: KDE vs. GNOME (Alex Kaufman)
Boot/Rescue disc use (Howard Mann)
Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel (Christopher Browne)
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom (Sam Holden)
Disk Druid not improving, and why... (Christopher Browne)
Re: Linux History FAQ ("muzh")
Re: Middleware to connect PostgreSQL to Web forms ? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Tools under Linus (Christopher Browne)
Re: Completly remove LILO (garv)
Re: Rebuilding SRPMs (Christopher Browne)
Linux program for managing accordion files or file cabinets? (David Young)
vim question
Re: KDE vs. GNOME (Gene Wilburn)
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From: Lev Babiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE vs. GNOME
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 21:54:32 -0400
Gnome gets my vote. But you don't have to change window manager to run
either
Gnome or KDE. I am running Gnome (including panel) and fvwm2 for my
window manager
fvwm2 2.3.2 (latest devel) is gnome-aware and I have nice integration
between fvwm
and gnome pager. Enlightenment, recommended wm for gnome, is rather
bulky and buggy.
- Lev
> Greetings!
>
> I am currently running the default fvwm2 under RH 5.2.
>
> I am concidering "upgrading" to either KDE or GNOME. But I would like
> to do it just once; not install one, decide it was a mistake and install
> the other. Life is so short.
>
> Looking at the home pages and checking the screenshots and feature lists
> for both environments hasn't told me much. Their bullet lists are very
> close.
>
> So far, the only "differences I can see are:
> -) GNOME is a GNU project and so must adhere to known coding standards
> (such as being proof against buffer overflow attacks).
> -) KDE appears to be more popular, but appearences can be deceiving...
> -) There are occational threads about KDE being slow, but have not heard
> about GNOME...
> -) Mandrake is now using KDE as the default, but you can switch to GNOME
> (how difficult?).
>
> So...can anyone tell me what the differences are between the two
> products? Has anyone done a side-by-side comparison? Any informed
> opinions?
>
> Any and all comments gratefully accepted (but DON'T try to give me any
> "input". I leave that to the computers).
--
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- Linus Torvalds | Linux forever!
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From: "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Beowulf--which version?
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 01:59:15 GMT
Some other places to check;
Dr Dobb's latest edition reviewed a book about Beowulf, published by MIT
Press if memory serves me. The same edition also had an advertisement from
Microway (in MA?) that builds SMPs with a Beowulf option.
--
-Cliff
Views expressed are my own and not necessarily those of my employer
Concordia Net, Inc. When replying via email please use; cwheat at concordia
dot net not
root@localhost
Hebert, Greg (EXCHANGE:KWAY:6C26) wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Jon Bazemore wrote:
>
>I don't think it does mutiprocessing. It does parallel processing, I
>believe you need to run a parallel processing compliled program to
>benifit from a beowulf cluster.
>
>http://www.sci.usq.edu.au/staff/jacek/beowulf/BDP/HOWTO/
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From: Gene Wilburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux History FAQ
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 02:06:37 GMT
The history of Linux -- does it exist anywhere?
I've been looking around the Internet but haven't found any satisfactory
history. If none exists, I'd like to propose that someone who's been in
Linux from the start, or near it, might want to write consider writing
its story.
For instance, I didn't discover Linux until the 2.0.14 kernel. I've been
curious for some while about the evolution of the earlier kernels, and
their numbering. Was there a general 1.0.X series, or did it go from 0.X
to 1.1.X for stable use? Did Linux include XFree86 from the start, or
did it come later? If so, when? What release?
I'd also be interested in knowing about early distributions, and how the
various families of distros split off from main branches. I've seen
references to something called LSL (did I get that right)? Were there
others? Which lines have died out, and why?
Who were the some of the key players, in addition to Linus? Where were
they from? What did they contribute? Who were the early advocates and
early adopters. Who first began covering it in the press, and when? What
were the various issues, challenges and triumphs, and when did they
occur? What were some of the more unusual early success stories? How did
your colleagues react to early releases of Linux, before it became
widely known?
It's been a short time for Linux, but a lot has happened since 1991.
This is the time to get it written, before the details are forgotten.
It's a fascinating story and one that deserves some archiving into a FAQ
or History-HOWTO :-)
Whew, Internet time, eh?
Cheers,
Gene
===================================================================
Gene Wilburn, Northern Journey Online, http://www.interlog.com/~njo
===================================================================
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From: Maciej Stachowiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Date: 28 May 1999 18:51:51 -0400
Marco Antoniotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach) writes:
>
> But the big question remains. Why in Western Europe the violent, gun
> related, crime rates are still lower than in the US (or - at least -
> this is the perception that one has), and with much stricter gun
> controls laws in place? Big question for sure, but avoiding it is
> unfair. :)
>
Interestingly, one Western European country that has an _especially_
low rate of violent crime is Switzerland, where all adult males are
required to own a firearm.
- Maciej Stachowiak
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Briggs)
Subject: Re: Offline newsreader for Linux
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:21:34 GMT
Steve wrote:
:Well, is there an offline newsreader for Linux?
I've just started using leafnode to make my machine into a little private
mail server. Then read them at your leisure using slrn (or whatever you
prefer).
It was a little Sunday afternoon job to install -- just a few files and a
bit of tweaking, as I recall.
Ian
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From: Alex Kaufman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE vs. GNOME
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 20:30:31 -0400
Having used both of them, I'd go for Gnome, the interface is very modern
and intuitive, it's easier to use and much faster in terms of startup
and just general responsivness (at least on a P300 128RAM).
Robert Washburne wrote:
>
> Greetings!
>
> I am currently running the default fvwm2 under RH 5.2.
>
> I am concidering "upgrading" to either KDE or GNOME. But I would like
> to do it just once; not install one, decide it was a mistake and install
> the other. Life is so short.
>
> Looking at the home pages and checking the screenshots and feature lists
> for both environments hasn't told me much. Their bullet lists are very
> close.
>
> So far, the only "differences I can see are:
> -) GNOME is a GNU project and so must adhere to known coding standards
> (such as being proof against buffer overflow attacks).
> -) KDE appears to be more popular, but appearences can be deceiving...
> -) There are occational threads about KDE being slow, but have not heard
> about GNOME...
> -) Mandrake is now using KDE as the default, but you can switch to GNOME
> (how difficult?).
>
> So...can anyone tell me what the differences are between the two
> products? Has anyone done a side-by-side comparison? Any informed
> opinions?
>
> Any and all comments gratefully accepted (but DON'T try to give me any
> "input". I leave that to the computers).
>
> Thanks Much!
>
> --
> Bob Washburne
> 610-939-3551 (office) 610-939-6058 (fax)
> 800-759-8888 1636840# (pager)
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Howard Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Boot/Rescue disc use
Date: 29 May 1999 02:44:00 GMT
Hullo,
I use Red Hat and have created a boot disk with the "mkbootdisk" utility.
I believe this is a "relatively" new utility.
This bootdisk contains the following:
boot directory, containing boot.0200 ; boot.b ; map; and a message
dev directory, containing fd0 and hda5( my root filesystem)
/etc/lilo.conf, which has the following lines:
boot=/dev/fd0
timeout=100
message=/boot/message
prompt
image=/vmlinuz-2.0.32
label=linux
root=/dev/hda5
initrd=/initrd.img
image=/vmlinuz-2.0.32
label=rescue
append="load_ramdisk=2 prompt_ramdisk=1"
root=/dev/fd0
initrd=/initrd.img
lost+found directory
initrd.img
kernelimage
The " message" says :
Press <return> (or wait 10 seconds) to boot your Red Hat Linux system from
/dev/hda5. If you want to use a rescue disk, type "rescue" now.
I would appreciate comments and guidance concerning the "boot" vs "rescue"
modes considering the contents of this disk.
Which of these modes would one use and under what circumstances?
( I have not had occasion to use either :-) )
I also have the "boot" and " supplemental" discs that came with the distribution CD.
Thanks,
--
Howard Mann
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Pro-Unix vs anti-WinTel
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:38:31 GMT
On Thu, 27 May 1999 22:48:30 GMT, Mikhail Teterin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Lamb) writes:
>
>>> The Debian model has all these same faults as ports. If the author
>>> makes a new release, there is still lag time before the Debian
>>> package is updated to match. There is no way around this unless the
>>> author just happends to maintain the Debian package themself.
>
>> Incorrect. With Debian since the package is in a central location
>> if the author changes archive names (happens a lot, you know, pesky
>> version numbers) it has no *DIRECT* bearing on the package itself.
>> With ports where it does go and grab the archive, when the archive
>> doesn't exist, the ports tree has stale data, you get nothing.
>
>Most of the FreeBSD ported software archives are also stored on the
>numerous FreeBSD mirrors (and are shipped on the FreeBSD CDROMS). This
>provides the same redundancy. If the source can no longer be found on
>the author's site, the port-building software goes to the backup
>mirrors. Typicly, however, the authors will keep several older releases
>in place too...
I suspect that this breaks down once, and then:
a) The Ports makefile gets suitably modified to reflect the new
location in a more portable fashion, and
b) A gentle email is sent to the gentle author indicating that a
problem was encountered, with some suggestions of possible "things to
do to be a bit more cooperative."
If it's all done in a friendly fashion, the outcome should be positive
for all...
--
How do I type "for i in *.dvi do xdvi $i done" in a GUI?
(Discussion in comp.os.linux.misc on the intuitiveness of interfaces.)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/unix.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sam Holden)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Date: 29 May 1999 03:05:47 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 28 May 1999 18:51:51 -0400, Maciej Stachowiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Marco Antoniotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach) writes:
>>
>> But the big question remains. Why in Western Europe the violent, gun
>> related, crime rates are still lower than in the US (or - at least -
>> this is the perception that one has), and with much stricter gun
>> controls laws in place? Big question for sure, but avoiding it is
>> unfair. :)
>>
>
>Interestingly, one Western European country that has an _especially_
>low rate of violent crime is Switzerland, where all adult males are
>required to own a firearm.
But switzerland does not require that. It conscripts into it's militia and
each soldier keeps a military firearm and ammunition at home, for
reasons of rapipd deployment. The ammunition is in a sealed box and can
only be opened in a warlike emergency. The sealed box is checked during every
service (ie. annually). Ammunition for the most common military rifle
is not available for sale. Ammunition for the newer rifles and pistols is
avialable on presentation of military documents.
The early 1990s brought some mass murders involving firearms to switzerland
which resulted in significant tightening of gun control laws.
So switzerland has lots of guns, most of which are in the hands of the
militia (which is switzerland's army). There are a lot of shooting ranges
as well. It's not true that every male carries a gun in order to protect
themselves.
Switzerland has managed (thorugh historical events) to have an armed militia
that has been an effective deterent to invasion without going crazy and
handing out firearms to everyone who wants one. Instead they train people
and give them guns under very strict guidelines.
--
Sam
i am not grouchy. i have a personality deficiency.
-- Uri Guttman in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Disk Druid not improving, and why...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:37:27 GMT
On Fri, 28 May 1999 07:54:11 -0700, Chad Mulligan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Well that's something to keep in mind when using linux. Your device
>>> drivers may be written by a part time hacker. If the performance
>>> suffers there isn't a whole lot you can do about it.
>>
>>Usually someone in the community will write a better driver.
>>Dont you understand yet? Thats the whole essence of what is great about
>>open source software. If something sucks, its fixed - fast.
>>
>If this is so.. Please explain Disk Druid?
If there are two programs that fulfil the same general purpose, one of
them is buggy, and the other is not, people will tend to use the one
that is less buggy.
Add to this the consideration that changes are made by those that are
*capable* of programming. The people that are capable of fixing Disk
Druid very probably already use fdisk because it is generally more
featureful, and thus don't greatly *care* that Disk Druid is "broken."
I would contend that these two principles nicely apply to Disk Druid and
fdisk, and explain the lack of effort on Disk Druid. Furthermore, I
seem to remember seeing front ends for fdisk constructed that provide
GUIed interfaces to run on GNOME/KDE. Building a "pretty" front end to
the [rather mature] fdisk program may provide better "bang for
development hour" than trying to fix Disk Druid.
For roughly the same sets of reasons, developers have been furiously
working over the last year to improve EGCS, whilst the code bases for
"true, official GCC," LCC, and TENDRA have all languished. One could
quibble about LCC's licensing as being "not free," but TENDRA would be
particularly interesting as it has already had compiler front ends
created for additional languages such as Common Lisp, which presumably
establishes that building a compile-to-machine-code Scheme compiler
would be a fairly straightforward addition.
--
"Some sins carry with them their own automatic punishment. Microsoft is
one such. Live by the Bill, suffer by the Bill, die by the Bill."
-- Tom Christiansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/langc.html>
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From: "muzh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux History FAQ
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 14:55:44 +1200
I believe www.kernel.org has links to all the historical kernels, and
perhaps to historical documentation --
Gene Wilburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> The history of Linux -- does it exist anywhere?
>
> I've been looking around the Internet but haven't found any satisfactory
> history. If none exists, I'd like to propose that someone who's been in
> Linux from the start, or near it, might want to write consider writing
> its story.
>
> For instance, I didn't discover Linux until the 2.0.14 kernel. I've been
> curious for some while about the evolution of the earlier kernels, and
> their numbering. Was there a general 1.0.X series, or did it go from 0.X
> to 1.1.X for stable use? Did Linux include XFree86 from the start, or
> did it come later? If so, when? What release?
>
> I'd also be interested in knowing about early distributions, and how the
> various families of distros split off from main branches. I've seen
> references to something called LSL (did I get that right)? Were there
> others? Which lines have died out, and why?
>
> Who were the some of the key players, in addition to Linus? Where were
> they from? What did they contribute? Who were the early advocates and
> early adopters. Who first began covering it in the press, and when? What
> were the various issues, challenges and triumphs, and when did they
> occur? What were some of the more unusual early success stories? How did
> your colleagues react to early releases of Linux, before it became
> widely known?
>
> It's been a short time for Linux, but a lot has happened since 1991.
> This is the time to get it written, before the details are forgotten.
> It's a fascinating story and one that deserves some archiving into a FAQ
> or History-HOWTO :-)
>
> Whew, Internet time, eh?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gene
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Gene Wilburn, Northern Journey Online, http://www.interlog.com/~njo
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Middleware to connect PostgreSQL to Web forms ?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:43:53 GMT
On 26 May 1999 07:39:37 GMT, Cameron Spitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <tFK23.1482$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>On Mon, 24 May 1999 22:39:53 GMT, Gene Wilburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>Depending on your definition, PHP3 would certainly qualify as
>>>middleware.
>>
>>Does it provide:
>>- Distributed processing [undefined acronym]
>>- Transaction support [undefined acronym]
>>- Robust messaging queueing with configurable quality of service
> [undefined acronym]
>>- Event notifications [buzzword]
The OMG is not an "undefined acronym;" the CORBA services that I
described (and you removed) are described at <http://www.omg.org>.
They're not "buzzwords;" they're identifiers to specifications.
The acronym ACID should be familiar to anyone who has encountered
transaction processing systems; it is usually the very first thing
explained.
The only "vaporware" portion described was the Messaging Service, which
is still being reviewed for release by the OMG; most ORBs available for
Linux (including such as MICO, ORBit, OmniORB) support the Event,
Trading, and Naming Services, and better commercial ORBs support the
Transaction Service. See <http://www.omg.org> for specifications for
these services.
>>PHP seems to merely be Yet Another Web Page Language.
>Exactly. I already have have Perl and cgilib, and I can write HTML
>with vi.
The main benefit to PHP (as far as I can see) is that you get to put
code inside web pages, which, while a convenience, and probably a
booster of performance, looks likely to make the system harder to
debug.
It is well and good to improve performance by eliminating the need to
fork a Perl process, and incur the memory costs of the added instance
(even with shared memory, the *non*sharable portions will have a cost);
it strikes me as being a downright non-improvement when it comes
debugging time for a complex application.
--
"Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of
one's native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer."
-- Edsger W.Dijkstra
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/corba.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Tools under Linus
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:34:43 GMT
On Thu, 27 May 1999 03:16:57 -0400, Brandon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I Ching Hsueh wrote:
>> Hallo,
>> A good question for Linus people.
>> I want to know, how many well-known tools now run under Linus, or which webside
>> I should visit to get this.
>>
>> Regards
>its called Linux, not Linus. Linux is the guy who created it.
>And many tools are available. You can try www.linux.org or
>www.linuxresources.com or www.linux.com for info. Many commerical apps
>are even available such as office suites.
>
>And it has many built in tools whihc are free
I believe that you'll find that the operating system is known as Linux,
and friends of the "chief developer" call him Linus, not Linux. Others
probably should call him Mr. Torvalds, or, based on the (honorary)
doctorate recently granted, those that wish to be respectful ought to
call him Dr. Torvalds.
In answer to the question, there are a *HUGE* number of development
tools that run atop Linux.
Generally speaking, there are many gigabytes of development tools
available for UNIX-like systems that run quite well on Linux.
The average Linux distribution comes with such heavy-hitters as:
- The GCC compiler "suite" that includes C, C++, Objective C,
- Make (to manage building executables from sources using minimal
effort),
- Scripting languages such as Perl, Python, and TCL,
- Text editors for every "religious persuasion," including various vi
variants and various Emacs variants (usually GNU Emacs, XEmacs, jed)
- Development libraries to support GUI development, databases,
configuation management, "web stuff," and lots more.
And that really only scratches the surface to describe the things that
should be familiar to any self-respecting UNIX-oriented developer; there
are more languages available on Linux than anyone will likely ever know
how to use.
One interesting "view" on what is available is to look at
<http://rpmfind.net>, which lists readily-installed packages of all
sorts; there is a "by-category" view that tends to arrange development
tools together.
--
"What's wrong with 3rd party tools? Especially if they are free? What
the **** do you think UNIX is anyway? It's a big honkin' party of 3rd
party free tools." -- Bob Cassidy ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/languages.html>
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From: garv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Completly remove LILO
Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:27:46 -0700
Nuno Donato wrote:
> Can anyone tell me how can i completly remove LILO from my Red Hat 5.2?
> I have fdisk and cfdisk.
use a dos boot and fdisk /mbr
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Rebuilding SRPMs
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:40:49 GMT
On 28 May 1999 09:20:56 -0400, Johan Kullstam
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>what i am trying to say is this
>
>1) if it's mission critical - compile specifically for the target host
> processor. recompile for each machine architechure.
>
>2) it it's *not* mission critical, then it just doesn't matter does
> it? just use a happy middle such as i486 target.
The majority of the "value" in this is likely to come in compiling code
that is CPU-intensive and that runs a lot.
Major libraries (e.g. - libc, compression-related libs, libs that
manipulate graphical images) would be good candidates; if you were to
just do these, you'd get the *vast* majority of potential benefits.
I expect that tuning GIMP would reap benefits, which doesn't matter if
you're not using GIMP heavily.
Compiling the kernel to be "MMX-optimized" will be worthwhile in the
specific case where you're running SCSI RAID, and can use MMX to make
RAID5 checksums run faster. That is probably the only *significant*
thing that could benefit in the kernel, and is only helpful if you're
using SCSI and RAID5.
That kernel optimization likely won't expose any Pentium-versus-PPro
differences.
Beyond that, I would be quite skeptical that there would be
*substantial* performance improvements available to be reaped from
specially compiling code for IA-32 variations.
The BSD Ports system likely would be a good way of handling this sort of
customization of "compiler options;" I also hear rumor that a
rearchitecture of Debian's apt-get scheme may provide a similar ability
to automatically download packages as source, compile and install.
Frankly, I wouldn't worry too much about the different compiler options.
If your processes are I/O bound, which is more common than them being
CPU-bound, then the "peephole optimization" of object code won't be
terribly helpful anyways...
--
"Some sins carry with them their own automatic punishment. Microsoft is
one such. Live by the Bill, suffer by the Bill, die by the Bill."
-- Tom Christiansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/linuxpkgs.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Young)
Subject: Linux program for managing accordion files or file cabinets?
Date: 29 May 1999 01:17:53 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have a whole lot of receipts, bills, letters, and mementos that I'm
trying to manage with an accordion file. It isn't working very well, but
it could, especially if I had a simple database system that would let
me enter a text description of the thing I was filing and then produce
an alphabetic 'hash code' for me to file the item under. Then, if there
was some item I needed to retrieve from my files, I could do a keyword
search of the database for it and then look it up by its 'hash code.'
Is there such a program already out there? Does anybody else need a
program like it? Maybe we could collaborate to write it one of these days.
Dave
--
``I always thought that anybody who told me I couldn't live in the
past was trying to get me to forget something that if I remembered
it would get them in serious trouble.'' --Utah Philips
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: vim question
Date: 29 May 1999 01:49:28 GMT
hello.
Is there any way to apply CTRL+F (reindent command on inserting mode) to
whole line?
thanks.
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From: Gene Wilburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE vs. GNOME
Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 02:23:43 GMT
If you upgrade to 6.0 and have the disk space, select both KDE and
GNOME. GNOME will come up by default, but you can switch between GNOME,
KDE and AfterStep with a new utility called "switchdesk". Both KDE and
GNOME are flashy and they have some neat built-in utilities. It's best
to see for yourself.
I switched between them for about a week, then selected AfterStep, from
which I could return to LessTiff as my prefered environment. I just
don't need all that KDE and GNOME clutter on my screen :-)
Gene
Robert Washburne wrote:
>
> Greetings!
>
> I am currently running the default fvwm2 under RH 5.2.
>
> I am concidering "upgrading" to either KDE or GNOME. But I would like
> to do it just once; not install one, decide it was a mistake and install
> the other. Life is so short.
>
> Looking at the home pages and checking the screenshots and feature lists
> for both environments hasn't told me much. Their bullet lists are very
> close.
>
> So far, the only "differences I can see are:
> -) GNOME is a GNU project and so must adhere to known coding standards
> (such as being proof against buffer overflow attacks).
> -) KDE appears to be more popular, but appearences can be deceiving...
> -) There are occational threads about KDE being slow, but have not heard
> about GNOME...
> -) Mandrake is now using KDE as the default, but you can switch to GNOME
> (how difficult?).
>
> So...can anyone tell me what the differences are between the two
> products? Has anyone done a side-by-side comparison? Any informed
> opinions?
>
> Any and all comments gratefully accepted (but DON'T try to give me any
> "input". I leave that to the computers).
>
> Thanks Much!
>
> --
> Bob Washburne
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