Linux-Misc Digest #405, Volume #19 Wed, 10 Mar 99 20:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: HELP: K6-2 motherboard w/ Linux; Perf. compares/ PII (Ray)
Re: App for reading M$ Access database? (Anne Williams)
Re: "/usr is busy" error message on shutdown (Michael Powe)
Re: /dev/audio problems ("D. Vrabel")
Re: planning linux conversion (Robert Heller)
Re: Linux behind MS Proxy (Gergo Barany)
Re: AOL Instant Messanger for UNIX (Eric Moss)
Re: Used WWW.DEJANEWS.COM ! (Walt)
Re: RPM install problem (Anne Williams)
Re: version control - complicated diff usage (Giovanni Faggioli)
Re: viewing non ascii attatchments with pine ?????????? (Joe Dubner)
lex/yacc problem (Shekhar Patkar)
Re: chown: bug or feature (Michael Powe)
Q:Ramdisk larger than 8MB? (Doug Apel)
linux HELP ! ("bob pietrowski")
Re: If I had the time I know how to make a fortune in unix (Mason Ip)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware,redhat.hardware.arch.intel
Subject: Re: HELP: K6-2 motherboard w/ Linux; Perf. compares/ PII
Date: 10 Mar 1999 23:59:35 GMT
On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:17:05 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm looking to buy a K6-2 system (400MHz) to run
>the following software:
>
> Linux 5.2/6.0 SSE + Apache + PHP + mySQL.
>
>The K6-2 system I'm looking at has:
>
>- Motherboard: SIS598, (same AMPTRON 9900?)
>- BIOS: AMI
>- 1MB cache
>- 64MB RAM
>- 100MHz bus
>- 6GB disk (UDMA, 5400 rpm)
>- 8MB video AGP (on motherboard)
>- 40x CD
>- sound + speakers (16-bit sound on motherboard)
>- NO monitor
>- mouse, keyboard
>- 1 year warranty
>>
>> Price is around: $750. (OK pricing?
>
Not too bad. You can get the parts slightly cheaper but you'd have to buy
in quantity or buy from several different vendors which means that you'd get
killed on shipping.
>Q's:
>
>1. Should the above system be able to compile/run
>RedHat 5.2 or 6.0 ?
Yes. The support for that sound and Video setup is fairly new so it might
not be totally painless but it's all do-able.
>
>2. I read some people have trouble w/ the motherboard.
>Anyone heard of: SIS598, (same AMPTRON 9900?)
The SIS5598 is used on many different motherboards. I havn't used Amptron
motherboards but I've used other motherboards with that chipset without
problems.
>
>3. The motherboard has the hard drive controller and
>video on the board (not separate card). Could this
>be a problem?
The HD controller is suported but you'll need a new kernel to take advantage
of DMA/UDMA support. You can worry about that later though since the system
will work fine without it (the improved support).
>
>6. Comparing a Celeron 400MHz vs. Pentium II 400MHz vs.
>a K6-2 400MHz (running Linux, Apache, PHP + mySQL), does
>anyone have an idea on the run-time performance differences
>between the 3 CPU's running Linux - especially in a high
>database / web page hit environment?
If you want to overclock, the Celeron might be a better choice (but it won't
work with that motherboard). If it were me, I'd consider either saving some
money and going with a slightly slower K6-2 300 or 350. There really isn't
much speed difference. Alternatively you might look at the newer K6-3 which
will perform as well or better than any of the above.
>7. If Linux runs OK - should Apache, PHP and mySQL also?
Yes
It sounds like you are looking at a fairly low end system (in terms of
quality, not speed). That means that you'll probably get a small case with
and somewhat less reliable components than you might choose if you were
putting it together yourself. I'm talking about things like a noisy or
somewhat slow hard drive, CD that dies after a year or two, keyboard and
mouse that just don't feel good etc. This isn't really a Linux issue but
just the way the computer business is these days. If two companies sell
systems with the same "specs." consumers will always buy the cheeper one
even the quality isn't there. Also if it comes with a modem, there
is a good chance it will be a win-modem so you might be better off geting
the modem locally.
I hope this helps.
--
Ray
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:53:05 -0800
From: Anne Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: flames@/dev/null
Subject: Re: App for reading M$ Access database?
Dave Hinz wrote:
>
> I've been asked to come up with a web server to take data
> from a Micro$loth Access database, massage it a bit, and
> put it onto the web. I'd like to do it with Linux
> (RedHat 5.2 in this case). Can someone suggest a good
> app I can use for this purpose?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave Hinz
> Software Development Support
> GE Medical Systems
I believe star office can read MS access databases. But a better way
would be to export it from access via ODBC into a comma delimited data
file (actually any delimiter will do or format that is simple to read).
I have a small perl cgi script that I wrote and could pass on that takes
a comma delimited file and puts it up as a table. You will need cgi
access and such, but I could give you the info to use it. just post a
reply if you are interested in this approach (I know its a tangent)
your question otherwise comes down to two parts 1) a program that reads
access files in unix (Redhat linux 5.2 in particular) I think that star
office will fit the bill here. 2) taking that data and making it useful
on the web. A cgi to put it up as a table or search the data file
format is probably the way to go with this. If you describe how you want
the data used maybe myself or someone else can pass on a cgi script that
meets you needs.
Before I get flamed for wandering. I am just trying to help someone
find a solution to a problem as much as I can with the way I read the
message.
Anne
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "/usr is busy" error message on shutdown
Date: 10 Mar 1999 12:32:11 -0800
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>>>>> "Floyd" == Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Floyd> Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Gregory" == Gregory G Woodbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>> writes:
Gregory> Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> shaped electrons
Gregory> to say:
>> >> I've started getting this message when I shutdown the
>> system. >> When going through the shutdown procedure, I see
>> the message >> "/usr is busy" when the filesystems are being
>> unmounted. Then >> when I come back into the system, I get
>> "/dev/hdc3 not cleanly >> unmounted, check forced" and then
>> fsck runs. No problems are >> detected/fixed.
>> >> Not sure what caused this. I very seldom reboot this
>> system, >> the last time would have been late January when I
>> upgraded to >> kernel 2.2.
>> >> Any ideas what might be causing it? How to fix it?
Gregory> My experience is that there is some process that is not
Gregory> properly responding to the signals that the shutdown
Gregory> process send to them. Generally I find that it is one of
Gregory> the system daemons or something in the /etc/rc.d tree.
>> Thanks for the info, I'll check this out.
Floyd> Check also that your versions of mount and umount are
Floyd> recent. At least one combination of upgrading to a new
Floyd> version of mount causes exactly the problem you have if
Floyd> older versions of umount are used.
Well, I haven't upgraded them. They're the same ones that arrived
originally when I installed Slack 3.5 last fall.
mp
- --
Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
-- Anthony Trollope
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: /dev/audio problems
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:11:44 +0000
On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Gerard Motola wrote:
> When i try to do cat something.au > /dev/audio I get an error.
>
> [gtm@gtm gtm]$ cat /usr/share/afterstep/desktop/meepmeep.au > /dev/audio
>
> bash: /dev/audio: Operation not supported by device
>
> What's the problem?
Well I can't tell the problem from your message... But have a look at the
Sound-HOWTO and the Soundblaster-AWE-miniHOWTO at
http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/
David
--
David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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Subject: Re: planning linux conversion
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Heller)
Date: 10 Mar 1999 19:10:29 -0500
chas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:40:12 GMT, wrote :
c> Our university has decided to search for a commercial administrive system to
c> replace our aging and faulty homegrown one. As an IS director trying
c> desperately to keep his finger on the ever changing pulse of the industry, I
c> have (for a number of reasons) decided to pursue a solution will run on
c> Linux. If I can't find one, I know there are several vendors that provide
c> Unix solutions. I doubt I will choose an NT solution, regardless of the
c> whizbang feature set of the package that requires it.
c>
c> However, as a newbie who would like to join the Linux community, there are
c> some very basic things that I do not know. Does software that runs on Unix
c> also run on Linux? For instance, one of the vendors that we are looking at
c> has a system that runs on Oracle/Unix. From my uninformed viewpoint, it
c> would seem a very difficult proposition to port a complex software package
c> in its entirety from Unix to Linux. However I suppose in a client/server
c> environment (as opposed to application server) it might be a different story.
'Unix' is a (somewhat) generic term. In the general sense, Unix means
any of a set of operating systems that are more or less functionally
derived from what came out of Bell Labs in the 60's. In modern terms
this means that Unix and Unix-like O/Ss include:
SunOS
Ultrix
BSD
NetBSD
FreeBSD
OSF
Digital Unix
Solaris
SCO Unix
Irix
Linux
AIX
AUX
HP-UX
All of these are either Unix or Unix-like.
When you vender says its software runs on 'Oracle/Unix' they are not
really being very informative. On the other hand, 'Oracle/Unix' might
be 'short hand' for:
Oracle/Solaris-Sparc
Oracle/Solaris-x86
Oracle/SCO
Oracle/Digital Unix
Oracle/Linux86
Oracle/LinuxAlpha
Oracle/LinuxSparc
Oracle/Irix
Oracle/AIX
Oracle/HP-UX
Or some other such set. In other words, the PR/Sales guys did not want
to 'clutter' the sales lit with a lot of possibly 'confusing'
terminology.
Generally, most UNIX programs are portable at the source level -- the
same basic source code compiles for many different 'flavors' of Unix.
There are some 'under the hood' differences that *sometimes* affect the
portability of a program, but many programs could care less about the
lower (deeper) levels of the system -- they just have fun with functions
like 'printf()' and 'printf()' and most of the rest of the C library are
cross-platform at the source level. Most companies that produce Unix
software support a selection of O/S & hardware types -- they just ship
the binary version that works on your system (or in the case of RSI,
ship all of the binaries on the CD and the installer figures out what
flavor of Unix you are running and installs the version that works for
you (or allows you to install several flavors for those people with a
heterogeneous environment).
c>
c> Then there is the question of which Linux pool to dive into. I understand
c> they are all fed from the same source, but choose I still must. And how does
c> this choice effect what I would install on a workstation? For instance, do I
c> increase the learning curve because I am trying to learn a flavor that is
c> better suited for the desktop at the same time I am learning a flavor that
c> is better suited as a server?
There is no real difference between the linux you install on a server
and the linux you install on a workstation. *Only* MS-Windows NT comes
in two flavors that work differently and have two different install
sets.
Generally, the *only* difference between a server and a workstation
*might* be whether you install the X11 server. The only other
differences would be application based. It is also quite possible for
a machine to be both a linux workstation AND a linux server AT THE SAME
TIME. It depends on server load and workstation load and the kind of
server the server is and the kind of work the workstation will be used
for.
For a newbie, the main issue is going to be ease of install and ease of
maintenance. RedHat is a pretty good choice here. It is probably best
to use RedHat for both your server(s) and your workstation(s). Only one
admin learning curve for both.
c>
c> Thanks for your patience
c>
c> ===============================
c> Charles Lewis ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
c> Director of IS (SWAU)
c> ===============================
c>
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c> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
c>
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From: Gergo Barany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,linux,tw.bbs.comp.linux
Subject: Re: Linux behind MS Proxy
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:11:55 +0100
Colin wrote:
>
> You're using that god-awful M$ Proxy instead of your linux box?
> Ewww, go back to M$ products exclusively.
Maybe he has no choice, because it's not his box?
Gergo
--
Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio?
A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
What's that you say, Mrs. Robinson?
Joltin' Joe has left and gone away.
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From: Eric Moss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: AOL Instant Messanger for UNIX
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:33:02 -0600
eric wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if AOL Instant messanger for unix will work with
> Linux, more specific, Slackware 3.6?
>
> Thanks,
> Eric
yes, but when in doubt, download it and try it... dont ask...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Walt)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.kde,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Used WWW.DEJANEWS.COM !
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:57:45 GMT
<snip>
>>Be patient with us newbies... we're learning.
>
>It gets frustrating sometimes on both sides, but the more newbies we
>can answer questions for, the more experienced users we'll eventually
>have to help share the load when even more newbies show up. :-)
>
<snip>
Most ng's solve this problem by posting a FAQ.
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:34:11 -0800
From: Anne Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: flames@/dev/null
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: RPM install problem
Rafael Marcus wrote:
>
> 1) I get the following message when I try to install the RPM package in
> my Slackware LINUX when I use config command
> warning: sorrythis package needs libintl.a (from the gettext package)
> checking forxgettext no xgettext and libintl.a don't both exist;
> configure: warning:sorry this package needs libz.a or libgz.a (from the
> zlib package)
> I installed the zlib package and libz.a and libz.so have been
> installedin /usr/local/lib but I still get error messages after config
> and makecommands. Any sugestions?
> 2) Where can I get gettext package in tar or gzip
> format?
>
> Thanks,
> Rafael
The problem is rep is looking for those dependencies in thew location
redhat usually puts them (most rpm users have the redhat distribution)
there are two solutions
1) create symlinks from the install location redhat uses for those
directories to yours.
2) use the --nodeps switch with pm to stop it checking for the
dependencies when installing on your slakware system.
Anne
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Giovanni Faggioli)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.emacs.xemacs,ed.linux
Subject: Re: version control - complicated diff usage
Date: 10 Mar 1999 23:27:32 +0100
Sascha Spangenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi there,
>
> is s.o. out there who knows how to do the following....
>
> I have a file called foo version 1.0
> I edit foo v1.0 and save it as v1.1
> I further edit v1.1 and save it as v1.2
>
> Now I copy foo v1.0 to - say foo2 v1.0- edit this file and save it at
> v1.1
>
> At this stage I want to apply the same changes to foo2 v1.1 as I did in
> foo from v1.1->v1.2
> Assume that the parts where changes need to be made shall be
> * identical in foo v1.1 and foo2 v1.1 BUT
> * at different positions withing the files...
>
> Is there a way of doing this with diff or so???
>
> Any ideas???
>
With 'sdiff' you can merge interactively two files.
If version 1.0 is still available, 'merge' from the rcs-suite
is another option.
Good Luck,
Giovanni
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From: Joe Dubner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: viewing non ascii attatchments with pine ??????????
Date: 11 Mar 1999 00:30:18 GMT
Joe (theWordy) Philbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If I try to [ v ]iew the Latin 1 attatchment I get:
>
> ><snip>< . . . . . .sig
> [VIEWER Result: sh: /usr/bin/shownonascii: No such file or directory]
Joe,
I had the same problem on a linux system I telnet into frequently. The
unskilled system administrator was totally unresponsive to congiguring
it correctly, so I simply put a copy of the shownonascii binary (which I
obtained from a different but similar machine) into a directory in my
PATH (where I have write priveleges). For me this is ~/bin.
Works for me.
Joe "really dislike pine; wish had elm and mailx" Dubner
===========================================================================
Joe Dubner K7JD | P.O. Box 98 | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Liberty Lake, WA 99019 | +1 509 255-1102
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:55:54 -0800
From: Shekhar Patkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: lex/yacc problem
Hi,
I'm trying to learn to use lex and yacc on a linux system, but when
I try the examples in the O'Reilly book, I get a seg. fault core dumped
problem for all of them. I've tried this on Red Hat 5.1 and 5.2 systems,
same problem, but the examples go through fine on Solaris. Has
anyone seen this problem, any insights?
Thanks,
Shekhar
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,linux.redhat.devel,alt.os.linux,linux.dev.newbie
Subject: Re: chown: bug or feature
Date: 10 Mar 1999 13:24:17 -0800
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>>>>> "Ilya" == Ilya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Ilya> I've just noticed that I can't cown my own files to other
Ilya> users under Linux. Tried it under RedHat 5.2 and Slackware
That's what groups are for, to share files.
mp
- --
Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
-- Anthony Trollope
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From: Doug Apel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Q:Ramdisk larger than 8MB?
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:27:39 -0700
I have roughly 100MB of highly I/O intensive files, that I would like to
store in a ramdisk for faster performance.
When I try to write 128MB to /dev/ram0 or /dev/ram1, I instantly get
errors when I go past 8192kb. I would like to know how to surpass that
limitation.
Current setup is Slackware 3.6 (kernel 2.0.36), running on Intel
P2/333MHz, 256MB RAM (with appropriate APPEND line in lilo), 4GB UWSE
SCSI disk.
I've been testing this with a loopback ext2 filesystem by dd-ing that
file to /dev/ram0 and then mounting /dev/ram0. This works great as
long as my ext2-loopback file is less than 8MB. Any bigger and I get
console errors about "end_request: I/O error: dev 01:00, sector xxxx"
where xxxx begins at 8192
My thought is to use a loopback filesystem for the "permanent" storage
of this data, by adding the dd into and out of the ramdisk at startup
and shutdown via rc scripts. This way, I save my data, assuming a
graceful shutdown, but gain all the performance of high-speed memory vs
low-speed disk.
Anyway, documentation on ramdisks is not very plentiful nor current, so
I'm at a loss for how to overcome this deficiency. I've poked through
the 2.0.36 kernel source, but couldn't find any .c files that looked
very promising for ramdisk support.
Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!
TIA
Doug Apel
Sr. Network Administrator
Omnipoint Technologies, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "bob pietrowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: linux HELP !
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:57:04 GMT
Hi I'm a computer student loking for some info on linux.
does anyone know if linux supports User level threads and kernel level
threads
thanks
Bob P.
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.programmer,comp.unix.shell
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mason Ip)
Subject: Re: If I had the time I know how to make a fortune in unix
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:57:22 GMT
Norm Dresner wrote...
>
>All I'd have to do is to write a program to translate even a simple word
>processing file into a manpage. I'm sure that I could sell thousands.
Search "2man" using a ftp search engine... you might get what you want.
Sound like "looking for gay" :)
BTW, use PC's MS Word to export a word doc to html, and use Unix's
iexporer or netscape to read html.
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