Linux-Misc Digest #406, Volume #19 Wed, 10 Mar 99 21:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: The Independence distribution (Christopher Browne)
Re: Linux 2.2.2 and UFS write support - does it work? (Manfred Hollstein)
Re: PPP connection ... Help (Bill Unruh)
Re: XISP (Rod Smith)
Re: Public license question (John Hasler)
Re: Linux Video Driver Question? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: /dev/audio problems (K Lee)
Re: best offline newsreader? (William Wueppelmann)
Quake II and Sound Blaster 16 (Robert Threet)
Re: Adding PERL to the path ("J�rgen Exner")
Re: Help me with experiment (Tom Fawcett)
Re: chown: bug or feature (Ilya)
Re: chown: bug or feature (Eric Fischer)
Re: Disk Boot Failure!! After Install (David Kirkpatrick)
Re: strange characters ("T.E.Dickey")
Re: VT220 xterm ("T.E.Dickey")
Re: Probs:Gnome 1.0, aclocal, Esd, cd's, compile errors, dumping core, etc (brian
moore)
low-level debugger? (steve mcadams)
Re: so, how is gnome 1.0, guys? <troll> (steve mcadams)
Netscape version for Debian ? (**Nick Brown)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: The Independence distribution
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:57:13 GMT
On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:26:50 +0200, Mario Kadastik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Also a stable KOffice should be in the default installation, so the
>user will get a all set up home workstation immediately. And KOffice
>should be good enough for it.
Which is to say that what you're looking for is a fantasy. KOffice may
be more stable than the GNOME equivalents, but it's not there yet.
>> - -Some of the additional software is not at the latest version
>> although we try to be up to date on important or fast moving stuff.
>
>Maybe write a program the could track freshmeat ???
Perhaps what's *really* needed is for someone to build a prettier front
end for the installation of Debian, as it seems to be better than any of
the other Linux distributions in its ability to "upgrade itself."
--
Linux is obsolete
(Andrew Tanenbaum)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Manfred Hollstein)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,alt.solaris.x86,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux 2.2.2 and UFS write support - does it work?
Date: 10 Mar 1999 08:35:33 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Regit Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm not with a Linux box now... but I did something like this .... and from
> personal experience, rw to FreeBSD is OK, but only read with Solaris.... :
Take a look into /var/log/messages; if it's showing something like
... ufs_read_super: fs needs fsck
the UFS function ufs_read_super somehow decided the fs isn't clean,
and therefore set the RDONLY bit. Try a
mount -o remount,rw /where/your/solaris/fs/is/mounted
then and you'll succeed in getting write access. The first mount
(even with an explicit 'rw' option included in /etc/fstab) will
fail in 95% of the cases. Quite annoying... :-(
> (
>
> Rob Fisher wrote:
>
> > > If I recalled correctly, the documentation says only FreeBSD's ufs.....
> >
> > Where did you read this? I have _no_ documentation. I've even been
> > trawling through the source!
> >
> > Rob
Later,
manfred
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: PPP connection ... Help
Date: 10 Mar 1999 22:13:11 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Charles P. Koerner"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I've got the same problem. Havent tried it yet but the linux guru at my ISP says to
>try another phone number? Will do that tonight. By the way, did you get your
Read
axion.physics.ubc.ca/ppp-linux.html
to find out how to ppp inot most ISPs ( even if the ISP does not know
how to)
(Of course you first need an account with that ISP)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: XISP
Date: 2 Mar 1999 00:39:17 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Posted and mailed]
In article <7bf8lo$qlg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"C.S.Tsang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Where can I dl the latest version of XISP?
Try the X-ISP homepage:
http://users.hol.gr/~dbouras/
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Rod Smith
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Public license question
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:40:17 GMT
Stephan writes:
> Therefore, distributing this work is illegal, and, as far as I know,
> distributing the "kit" to make this work might be illegal as well.
It is certainly legal for the owner of a book to write in the margins. It
is certainly legal for her to cut pieces out of one book and paste them
into another. I find it hard to believe that this suddenly becomes illegal
just because one of the books suggests doing this.
Making copies of the paste-up would obviously infringe the copyrights on
both works, but making the paste-up does not involve copying at all.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux Video Driver Question?
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:10:51 GMT
Hello, All I can say is that I thought that the All in Wonder card is not
supported right now. I remember joining a petition to ask ATI to provide
specs so that a driver could be written for that card.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I was looking at the Video - Hardware Compatibility list for Linux and
> noticed that all the ATI cards are supported by Mach8, Mach32, and
> Mach64 drivers.
>
> The funny thing is that some cards such as the All-in-Wonder Pro is a
> Rage Pro Turbo Chip, but is driven by the Mach64 driver.
>
> Is the Rage Pro Turbo chip realy a Mach64 chip?
> Or is linux using some sort of compatibility driver that runs both?
> Is Linux getting the best performance out of the chip that is
> possible?
>
> Does this mean that if I were to buy the latest ATI Rage Fury card
> that has a Rage 128 chip,
> that I could use the Mach64 driver?
>
> Ian
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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From: K Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: /dev/audio problems
Date: 11 Mar 1999 01:09:22 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Gerard Motola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: When i try to do cat something.au > /dev/audio I get an error.
: [gtm@gtm gtm]$ cat /usr/share/afterstep/desktop/meepmeep.au > /dev/audio
: bash: /dev/audio: Operation not supported by device
: What's the problem?
: My computer has a PII 350, 128 MB SDRAM, 4.5 gig SCSI HD, SB AWE64
: sound, RedHat Linux 5.2...
First try 'cat /usr/*/meepmeep.au > /dev/dsp' or dsp0, dsp1 and etc..and
see what happens. If it works, then you should just slink /dev/audio to
/dev/dsp.
I had the same card and I remember that's how I ended up setting up
/dev/audio. I'm sure you've done so already, but you should run sndconfig
to properly configure your soundcard.
If you're just using stock kernel off the CD, I think it should work,
provided that the card's configured correctly using sndconfig. But if
you've compiled the kernel, then you had to have said "Yes" to the proper
options for the card, whether built into the kernel or as a module.
Steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Subject: Re: best offline newsreader?
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:01:24 GMT
In our last episode (Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:16:47 GMT),
the artist formerly known as Paul-S said:
>
>OK Michael...
>
>I'll ask you the same question I asked Chris Lee (even though he's not
>answered my question)
>
>
>I'd be interested then to have your thoughts on the very best X
>newsreader currently for Linux, and your comments as to what makes the
>particular app so good.
>
>Note: I'm after something that handles and decodes multipart binaries
>well, as well as reading normal postings, both on-line and off-line.
Slrn can run in an xterm and can decode multipart binaries very easily. It
of course does not have a built-in viewer, but there are several excellent
choices for binary viewers that run in an X environment, most of which are
probably better and more fully-featured than the ones that come built in to
newsreaders. You can tag a bunch of articles and then save and/or decode
them as a group.
As an offline reader (in conjunction with slrnpull), I haven't personally
seen or used anything better than slrn. It has about as good
scoring/filtering as you'll get (it uses a point system to score articles,
and can score using regexps, plus with slrnpull you can grab the headers
from the server and decide whether or not to download the article itself or
just kill it without wasting all that time, which fits in well with the
needs of people who really want good binary decoding capabilities -- don't
want to waste time downloading all of the crappy porno, do we? :->)
It's highly configurable in terms of controls, color, display options,
etc., though the default configuration is highly usable as-is (though I
personally needed to modify it to use more vi-like movement commands
instead of the cursor keys and emacs-like bindings). I can't think of
anything it doesn't do that another newsreader I've used does, with the
exception of one minor feature of Agent, which allows you to use different
signatures for posting to different groups. I haven't figured out if slrn
can be made to do that, but at any rate, it's a relatively minor feature.
--
William
It is pitch black. You are likely to be spammed by a grue.
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From: Robert Threet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Quake II and Sound Blaster 16
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:29:07 -0600
I have Quake II running under Linux in both X and
the shell [I prefer X]. I can't get the sound to
work, though. The sound card does work [I have
sent sound to is via 'cat ??? > /dev/dsp' and it
works. I can play CDs through it. I use FVWM and
Caldera 1.3. I've upgraded the kernel to 2.0.36.
I can't find an FAQ on this anywhere. Help!
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Robert Threet
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From: "J�rgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Adding PERL to the path
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:01:07 -0800
Reply-To: "J�rgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7c6l0f$b6k$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I'm sure that this is a simple matter to do, but I need an experts advise.
> I need to add the "command" perl (/usr/local/perl) to my path so that I
can
> execute perl scripts without having to type the word perl first.
> Could someone tell me how to do this?
> I would appreciate any and all directives.
> (Using RH5.2 w/Apache server.)
To change your path simply edit the profile/login/rc file for your shell
(you didn't tell us which one you are using, e.g bash, csh, tcsh, ksh, ...).
For example for tcsh I would modify the path statement in ~/.tcshrc.
See the man page for your favorite shell about which are read at start time.
However the path has nothing to do with your problem:
For scripts the first line of the script contains the information about
which interpreter shall be used to run this script.
Therefore the first line of your script must read something like:
#!/usr/local/perl
or
#!/usr/local/perl/perl
(if the first "perl" is the directory containing the actual interpreter
"perl")
jue
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J�rgen Exner
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From: Tom Fawcett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Help me with experiment
Date: 10 Mar 1999 16:26:46 -0500
propsync wrote:
> I have 2 partitions on my harddrive. The first one has the redhat linux
> distribution on it. On the second partition, I want to create a bare
> bones linux system by copying the necessary files from partition 1 to
> partition 2. My goal is to see just how small I can get the operating
> system. The first thing I did was to create the filesystem (ext2) on
> partition 2. My next move was to add this partition to lilo to enable
> it to boot. The third thing I did was to copy vmlinuz to the /boot
> directory that I created. When I attempt to boot from partition 2, the
> system freezes by saying "cannot find the console" or something like
> that. Can anyone help me by specifying what files I need to copy to the
> second partition to get it to boot?
This is not a trivial question to answer. I'd recommend looking at the
Bookdisk-HOWTO, much of which addresses this question. For example:
http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/Bootdisk-HOWTO-4.html
Start at 4.3.
Regards,
-Tom
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From: Ilya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,linux.redhat.devel,alt.os.linux,linux.dev.newbie
Subject: Re: chown: bug or feature
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 03:30:16 -0800
1. What would you do with files owned by someone else?
2. Why don't make this configurable feature? This kind of chown is
definitely something
I'd like to give access to some users.
Jan Matejka wrote:
> Ilya wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >I've just noticed that I can't cown my own files to other users under
> >Linux. Tried it under RedHat 5.2 and Slackware 3.5
> >Examining kernel sources I found in fs/inode.c, line 307 (function
> >inode_change_ok):
> >/*make sure a caller can chown*/
> >if ((attr->ia_valid & ATTR_UID) &&
> > (current->fsusid != inode->i_uid ||
> > attr->ia_uid != inode->i_uid) && !fsuser())
> > return -EPERM;
> >
> >If my brain is still worth any thing, this means
> > "if you are trying to change UID and you are not currently owner of
> >inode ?OR? you are trying to change UID to something other then it
> >currently is, and you are not SU, then .....",
> >that is if you are trying to change owner user and you are not SU, you
> >are automatically denied access.
> >
>
> That is correct.
>
> Imagine what would be possible on systems with quotas:
> If you have eaten your disk qouta, you could simply move your files to
> somebody else without his knowledge and hapilly continue to likvidate
> free disk space ... that would be VERY SILLY.
>
> Matej
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Fischer)
Subject: Re: chown: bug or feature
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:38:11 GMT
Greg Franks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Way back in V6 UNIX you could chown to your heart's content. Things
> changed when quotas were introduced.
Actually, no, you couldn't -- v6 and v7 both restricted the call to
root, even though quotas hadn't been implemented yet.
eric
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From: David Kirkpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Disk Boot Failure!! After Install
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:30:22 +0000
What did you install - version? Fdisk can set a partition active.
What's your partition lineup?
Cliff wrote:
>
> Need some help from y'all
>
> After installing linux on a 6.4 Gig disk (as the only OS), the install
> goes OK and then at the rebooting stage, it commes up with the ff
> message:
>
> Verifying DMI Pool Data .......
> Not found any [active partition] in HDD
> DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER
>
> I've tried using the 'Linear' option when setting the boot partition
> during the installation but no luck.
> Can anybody point me to some info. I've read the 'Large Disk HOWTO' from
> which i got the idea of using the 'Linear' option.
>
> Any pointers?
>
> Thanks :-)
>
> --
> Well i know we're dying
> and there's no sign of a parachute...
> (Tori Amos)
>
> To reply remove BartonFink from the email address
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From: "T.E.Dickey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: strange characters
Date: 10 Mar 1999 23:34:58 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> guys, does any one knows how do I get rid of some strange characters that
> appear on my Linux SuSE after I tried to read ("more") an exacutable file?
try
tput enacs
or
reset
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Thomas E. Dickey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey
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From: "T.E.Dickey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: VT220 xterm
Date: 10 Mar 1999 23:33:56 GMT
Jack Holt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I need to telnet to a VMS machine constantly. It sure would be nice if I
> could find an xterm or rxvt style
> terminal program that would map all the VT220 keys to the PC keyboard.
The XFree86 3.3.3 xterm supports ANSI color and VT220 emulation
There's an faq at
http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey/xterm/xterm.faq.html
ftp://ftp.clark.net/pub/dickey/xterm
--
Thomas E. Dickey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Probs:Gnome 1.0, aclocal, Esd, cd's, compile errors, dumping core, etc
Date: 10 Mar 1999 04:33:36 GMT
On Tue, 09 Mar 1999 14:12:42 -0500,
Chris Shiflet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am having a similar problem on my system.
>
> I'm running the Stampede Linux with kernel 2.2.3 and I have a Creative PCI128.
>
> Esound loads fine and plays all the gnome sounds perfectly, but any other
> program that relies on sound does not work.
That's because esd (the 'esound daemon') is hogging the socket. It
-does- have a nice option: '-as 3' will make it release the lock any
time it has 3 seconds of nothing to do. That will let other programs be
able to access the sound (of course, esd will then be unable to get the
socket back if they hog it, but that doesn't seem to be a problem).
The solution is to enable that command, but the sound-properties program
doesn't let you add any options to esd. (A feature that I should get
around to requesting or coding and submitting.)
Cheap and stupid hack: download the esound source files. Look in esd.c
and you'll see:
int esd_autostandby_secs = -1; /* timeout to release audio device, disabled <0 */
Change the -1 to a 3, and the default standby value will change.
A stupid hack, but I was in a hurry. :)
> The following all Seg Fault when run: emusic, x11amp, and xawtv.
Ick.
> Interestingly, amp will play an mp3 when esd is not loaded, but when esd is
> loaded, it cannot access the sound device. When I tried it with the -w option
> to play the mp3 using wav output, amp Seg Faulted too (this happens running in
> both a terminal and under X)
It shouldn't segfault: that's bad. But it has no choice in not playing,
since esd is hogging the device.
--
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Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams)
Subject: low-level debugger?
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:33:11 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What do people use to debug the kernel? tia.
____________________________________________________________________________
"Herding cats is easy." -steve, http://www.codetools.com/showcase
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams)
Subject: Re: so, how is gnome 1.0, guys? <troll>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 01:33:06 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Posted & mailed, snipped, quoted is ">"]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) wrote:
>You mean TkDesk. It's slick, yes.
Yes, that's it. I keep meaning to dig around to find out how to
customize it. It plus fvwm2. The two of those seem to work well
together and provide basically all I need since I've just about given
up on Linux-configuration tools and am concentrating instead on
learning how to do the configuration manually. Slowly.
>Gnome hasn't got a particular WM, it runs under whatever WM you like
>best (so does KDE; kwm is not obligatory). It works better with a
>Gnome-compliant WM like Enlightenment, though.
What does "gnome-compliant" mean in this context? What's different
about the way the WM runs/looks/behaves when gnome is running under
it? Or does the WM provide standard hooks for gnome>
>BTW, Window Maker is both KDE- and Gnome-compliant.
I tried it and decided that I dislike it for some reason; the gradient
title bars may be part of it. Not sure, just decided to toss it and
forget what I didn't like about it :-) Funny because when I first
tried Linux it looked like the one that I'd prefer.
>You misunderstood me. Those 35 megabytes are all the application sizes
>summed up - counting shared libraries several times. The RSS (resident
>set size) is the actual memory real estate it consumes.
Yes, I did. I assumed you were talking about working-set-size
(unpaged) and you apparently were talking about (a) footprint and (b)
some other number called RSS that's meaningless as a comparison, since
it depends on what you may or may not have been running before.
>Simple. Enlightenment is window manager which uses A LOT of resources.
>And it's still somewhat alpha. But it's cool, yes.
I just put the hardware back together on my "new" Linux box, and it
ain't got a lot of resources :-)
>The Gnome panel is like kpanel, only better - i.e. a bar with menu
>buttons, launcher buttons and drawers on it, and furthermore, it can
>embed little applets into itself. IMHO, it is way cooler than the KDE
>panel :).
Frankly I'm not sure my little 36meg system is able to handle quite
that much "cool" given what it is bound to cost in paging overhead.
>> Is it like YaST and the non-working RedHat X-based
>> rpm-manager?
>
>Nope; you're confusing `panel' with `control panel' here. Gnome has
>got a nice Control Center, too; there is even a Gnome frontend to Red
>Hat linuxconf.
Does it provide a single mechanism for simply tracking and installing
the various packages like .deb and .rpm's and whatever all elses there
may be out there? That would be something worth a little cussing
during installation, even if gnome overall wasn't something I'd want
to run continually.
>BTW, methinks I totally forgot to mention the extremely slick Gnome
>Midnight Commander file manager, which is still heavily under
>development, though.
Another carrot :-) So far my two absolute favorite Linux tools are
the gimp and mc. Hrmmph. Now I have to think about it. Darn.
____________________________________________________________________________
"Herding cats is easy." -steve, http://www.codetools.com/showcase
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From: **Nick Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Netscape version for Debian ?
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 15:52:07 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian have a package for "Netscape 4.0-12". Does anyone know which
versions of Netscape this works with ? The Netscape FTP server has
4.04, 4.05, 4.06, etc etc, and 4.5. I don't want to download 10MB to
find the Debian package doesn't support it. Thanks for any info.
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