Linux-Misc Digest #406, Volume #18 Wed, 30 Dec 98 11:13:11 EST
Contents:
Linux Run Levels ("John Heuser")
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Roger Espel Llima)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Victor Danilchenko)
Re: Admin NT from linux (Alexandre Dulaunoy)
Re: modprobe: can't locate module net-pf-5 (Brian Stephen Faivre)
help me choose license (steve mcadams)
Re: Linux (Red Hat 5.1 and 5.2) Y2K compliance (Jeremy Mathers)
Re: Backing up a Linux Network (Leslie Mikesell)
how to make executables (jack wallen)
Re: chroot / execvp probs under RedHat 5.1 (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Can OSS share /dev/dsp amongst more than one app? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: New Kernel 2.2.0-pre1 (Brien Sullivan)
Can redirect internal speaker beeps to soundcard? (Tim Holmes)
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From: "John Heuser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux Run Levels
Date: 30 Dec 1998 14:24:10 GMT
I know under Unix (and Linux) there are different run levels, 0 to 5 to be
exact. But exactly what are they? What programs typically run in each
run levl? I have read the Debian Policy Manual and the System
Administrator's
Guide, but it does not mention this.
Thanks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roger Espel Llima)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: 30 Dec 1998 14:23:27 GMT
In article <76c96r$ooa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tim Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>It's a matter of background, I suppose. I come from a Unix background,
>so find the way X combines two separate function (selecting text and
>copying text) to be ugly.
Strange, I come from Unix background too, and I never came across the
notion of separately copying until I had to use a win95 system. I was
too young for SunView (which I think had a separate copy operation), so
I learned select/paste under X11 with xterms.
>The problem with doing it that was is that
>there are many situations where you want to select text in order to do
>some operation other than copying. E.g., you select text and press the
>delete key to delete it. Why should copying be part of deleting?
Right. If you think of it this way, it's not very logical. I think of
the right button operation as "paste whatever is selected", so it feels
natural to me.
I guess it's just a matter of which one you first learn. But I'd still
say that for a new user, it's easier not to have to learn to think of an
invisible copy buffer and its contents.
--
Roger Espel Llima, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.eleves.ens.fr:8080/home/espel/index.html
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:28:24 -0500
From: Victor Danilchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
jedi wrote:
>
> On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:06:27 -0500, Victor Danilchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Fine. Suppose we build a tcsh that uses a global init file from NFS;
> >what happens if NFS server or the network are down, and the machine has
> >to be brought up without /export tree?.. No shell, no login... ooops...
> > There is a reason to only keep stuff that HAS to be shared, on the NFS
> >volumes. The rest of little everyday doodads should remain local.
>
> Hire better staff. A reliable distributed unix enviroment
> is certainly quite feasable.
<sigh> Dude, reliability of your environment won't mean diddly squat
when the switch dies... What you will then need is ability to operate
without the network, until the switch is replaced.
Anyway, this is all totally besides the point.
--
| Victor A. Danilchenko CSCF support |
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] A313, 5-4231 |
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| Quando omni flunkus, moritati. |
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From: Alexandre Dulaunoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Admin NT from linux
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:33:56 +0100
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and VNC ?
http://www.orl.co.uk/vnc
you can obtain the remote control of NT boxe.
(the software is in GPL !!!)
I use it everyday and works really well.
alx
Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> Is there a way to administer NT users from linux? Something like User
> manager for Domains? A command line would be fine, as long as there
> were adequate MAN pages for it. GUI would be easiest. Thanks,
> Greg.
> Greg Leblanc
> Novell Network Admin
> Concordia University Portland
> gleblanc at cu-portland.edu
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:56:28 -0800
From: Brian Stephen Faivre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: modprobe: can't locate module net-pf-5
Hello,
I'm having the problem mentioned below, but my distribution (redhat) does not
contain the files /etc/modules.conf or
/etc/modutils/aliases listed in the linked webpage. Do you have another
suggestion?
Thanks,
Brian
Johan Kullstam wrote:
> Rick Moen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > In comp.os.linux.setup Thomas Frese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > : Dec 28 02:03:00 kitty modprobe: can't locate module net-pf-5
> > : Dec 28 02:03:06 kitty modprobe: can't locate module net-pf-4
> >
> > alias net-pf-4 off #Forget IPX
> > alias net-pf-5 off #Forget AppleTalk
> >
> > See also: http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/FAQ/Linux-FAQ-9.html#ss9.1
>
> while this is no doubt excellent advice as far as IPX and AppleTalk go
> (since the vast majority of people don't use them), the faq advice is
> bad when you *really do need them* but can't figure out the crazy
> naming scheme.
>
> i had a request for net-pf-17 when i set up dhcpcd. turns out it is
> af_packet or somesuch. but how to figure that out? kernel docs
> sucked royally.
>
> find /usr/linux -type f -print | xargs fgrep net-pf-17
>
> gave *nothing*. where does the `net-pf-' string live? is it a
> printf("net-pf-%d", npn) type thing? anyhow info on the various
> modules is hard to find.
>
> fortunately there is deja news which is how i solved this problem.
>
> --
> Johan Kullstam [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: help me choose license
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:03:22 GMT
I've been participating in a couple of threads about the GPL and Open
Source and have discovered some things. The most important thing I've
discovered is that I need some help in deciding how to license the
software "product" that I'm currently developing.
What the "product" is and why I'm writing it: It's a cross-system
library that specifically targets MS-Windows and Linux. It is
intended to provide a platform upon which applications can be written
that need only be recompiled to run on any supported platform. It is
a C++ library and uses object orientation heavily. The reason I'm
writing it is that there are other, more important "products" that I
want to write but I can't write them at the moment because I don't
have this library to work with. It will provide a completely
consistent user interface between systems; that is, the GUI will look
the same and act the same, as will keystrokes.
Why I'm considering some sort of not-completely-proprietary license.
First, there are many programs I would like to use that I don't have
the time to write, which could benefit from the kind of user-interface
this library will make possible. Second, I'd like to see "good" user
interfaces become more common. They are extremely difficult to write
in the Windows environment at present (or I would not bother with this
effort), and from the looks of the Linux apps that I've used so far,
there may be some commonality with the Linux environment in this
respect.
What I mean by a "good" user interface. One that does not require any
written documentation, whose functions are obvious to the new user,
which leads you into knowledge of the application, which does not
force you to continually switch between keyboard and mouse, which lets
you learn the keyboard methods as you go, until you are expert at
using the app.
What I want to achieve with whatever license I choose. I will
probably want to use this library in purely commercial applications
later on. I want to prevent forking until the library is mature. I
know I could sell the library after completion as a proprietary
product, but it might be better in a couple of respects if it was more
"open". One reason is that I will eventually want to move on to the
apps that use it, and if it's "open" people can maintain it themselves
as needed. This can also be achieved by a proprietary source-code
license, but that may not be the best way to go. Another area where I
can benefit from making it more "open" is that I am an X-virgin, and
could benefit from help in the Linux/X areas, though I can eventually
dig up everything I need to know (if I can learn C++ and Windows and
create a salable product in 9 months, which I have done, sooner or
later I can learn X; that doesn't mean I want it to take a long time
though).
I guess the bottom line is that (a) this library is not the summit of
my life's work, it's just a step in the right direction, so it doesn't
have to make me filthy rich, (b) I don't want to shoot myself in the
foot, financially or otherwise, by making it too "open" too soon, and
(c) more "open-ness" will probably gain more support for it sooner and
might even gain some help in certain areas.
I'd appreciate any serious suggestions you may care to make. Slams or
flames will be accepted in the spirit in which they are dealt as best
as possible. Lack of interest will be taken as a definite indication
that I should go quietly about my business without bothering you good
folks. Thanks. -steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Mathers)
Subject: Re: Linux (Red Hat 5.1 and 5.2) Y2K compliance
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:58:37 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Mark Bashaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Matt,
>If you check the RedHat website you'll find a Y2K statement basically
>saying that the Linux (and it's derivatives) are not subject to Y2K
>problems. Unix and unix-like systems use a different date system than DOS
>and Windows based systems do.
Actually, DOS (and its derivatives) do, like Unix, store dates in Y2K
formats (there may be exceptions, but this is true for the most part).
The Y2K problem is mostly about old mainframe OS's and apps, but it also
affects the external interfaces of modern OS's - such as the COMMAND.COM
'date' command. Remember, the line between system and app is a grey
one, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to find somewhere, in some
"system" database or config script, a 2 digit date assumption in Linux
or some other Unix system.
And then, of course, there is all the user written stuff for Unix and DOS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Backing up a Linux Network
Date: 30 Dec 1998 01:04:43 -0600
In article <76av1t$431$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jeff P. Koon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Howdy,
>
>I recently posted a question about backups, and someone suggested I try
>Arkeia, by Knox Software. We are in the process of downloading and
>installing the trial version. My questions are:
>
>Has anyone else used Arkeia in an "enterprise" environment (more than 10
>servers...)
>
>Are there any issues about Arkeia that I should keep in mind
>(installation, tech support, etc.)
>
>So far, the process is going well. we hooked up with a tech at knkox,
>and he has provided some great support. If Arkeia works out, we'll have
>saved tens of thousands of dollars, and provided a piece of software
>that actually supports Linux, which seems to be unheard of in this
>market.
Amanda works great with Linux and most other unix flavors and
has some support for Windows and is free (www.amanda.org).
The user interface is a bit, errr, sparse, but once you get
it going it does pretty much everything except swap tapes
by itself and if you have an autoloader it will do that too.
Note that you need the latest dump/restore for Linux to avoid
an occasional bug. RedHat 5.2's version seems OK but earlier
releases weren't.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jack wallen)
Subject: how to make executables
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:12:01 GMT
okay, i'vd downloaded a number of files into my /home/jlwallen
directory. i've unzipped or unpacked them and now i need to be able
to use them. let's say for example i have linuxdoom.tar.gz i've
unpacked it and now have sndsver and linuxdoom in the same directory.
what do i do now?
you can reply to me directly if you like:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: chroot / execvp probs under RedHat 5.1
Date: 30 Dec 1998 01:07:53 -0600
In article <76bm1p$j03$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Noah Romer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Markus Rathmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
>: Noah Romer schrieb in Nachricht <76b7lo$ato$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>: >I'm running into the following problem: whenever I try to use the chroot
>: >program, I get the following error message:
>: >
>: >"chroot: cannot execute /bin/bash: No such file or directory"
>: >
>: Hi,
>
>: should this chroot command (never encountered this - only the function) be a
>: script file? if so, check if the first line of the script looks like:
>
>It's a C program that's in the GNU sh-utils tarball.
>
>: 1. The bash is either installed in another path (why ? Don't know!) or
>
>Nope, bash is in /bin (one of the first things I checked).
Is this /bin relative to the chroot'ed point? Remember that you can't
access anything above there. Do you need shared libs and if so, are
they available in the chrooted location?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Can OSS share /dev/dsp amongst more than one app?
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:02:28 GMT
> You would get the same error in Windows, however there is a program that I
think
> tries to get around this, it is called esound. The Enlightenment window
manager
> and The Gnome Desktop environment are currently using it.
Thank you very much! I will try it ASAP.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brien Sullivan)
Subject: Re: New Kernel 2.2.0-pre1
Date: 30 Dec 1998 06:28:28 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 29 Dec 1998 18:17:37 -0800, Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I did a short test-drive of the new kernel this afternoon. I have no
>sound and pppd dies as soon as it's initiated. IOW, it dials and
>connects and then dies with
>Dec 29 17:22:56 trollope pppd[730]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS2
>Dec 29 17:22:56 trollope pppd[730]: local IP address 216.26.5.166
>Dec 29 17:22:56 trollope pppd[730]: remote IP address 216.26.1.16
>Dec 29 17:22:57 trollope pppd[730]: LCP terminated at peer's request
>Dec 29 17:23:00 trollope pppd[730]: Connection terminated.
>This latter may just mean that I need to upgrade my pppd version (but
>what a bore).
I did to get it to work with 2.1.xxx. There's a list of
stuff that needs changing in:
/usr/src/linux/Documentation/changes
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-Brien-
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From: Tim Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Can redirect internal speaker beeps to soundcard?
Date: 30 Dec 1998 08:27:17 GMT
Is it possible to redirect the internal PC speaker beeps
through the soundcard?
Thanks,
Tim Holmes
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