Linux-Misc Digest #433, Volume #19 Fri, 12 Mar 99 23:13:08 EST
Contents:
Increasing the number of pty or tty to 512 ? (James Yu)
Re: STAROFFICE 5.0 FilterUpdate! (John Thompson)
Re: Linux Box Hardware (Rod Roark)
Re: so, how is gnome 1.0, guys? <troll> (Christopher Browne)
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Christopher Browne)
Re: GNOME & WindowMaker [was: KDE? Gnome? ... confused] (Matt Hughes)
Re: ICQ for Java (K Lee)
Re: Linux Box Hardware (Andrew Alsin)
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Re: Help: No man in Debian 2.1? (Carl Fink)
Re: Partition Software Recommendation? (Jeremy Nickolet)
xfree86 guru help needed ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: James Yu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Increasing the number of pty or tty to 512 ?
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:13:03 -0800
Does any one know how to increase the number of pty over 256 limitation
?
In other words, can I have more than 256 pty's in the Linux 2.2.3, i.e.
as
many as 512 pty's and 512 tty's ?
Thanks
James
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: STAROFFICE 5.0 FilterUpdate!
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 16:37:20 -0600
Benjamin Sher wrote:
>
> Dear friends:
>
> Just received the announcement from StarOffice that a new version of
> StarOffice 5.0 is available for Linux with a much-improved filter update
> for interoperatibility with Microsoft Office. It's not a patch. You have to
> download the whole thing again. Still free for personal use.
Is this one above and beyond the "filter update" released a
couple weeks ago or is this simply the official announcement
of the update many of us already have?
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Rod Roark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Box Hardware
Date: 13 Mar 1999 03:21:18 GMT
Andrew Alsin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:49:07 -0500, Igor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I think about buying Celeron 300A CPU and Abit BH6 motherboard and setting
>>up a linux box on it. (This can be overclocked nicely, right?)
>
> Correct. The motherboard usually doesn't make a big deal though
>(As long as it's BX).
>
>>Is this configuration gonna work nice for linux? Will overclocking cause
>>any problems? What AGP video-card and what sound-card can be recommended?
>
>You can't lose with a Celeron. Also, in Linux, the CPU tends to be so nicely
>and evenly utilized, that 300 should work very nicely (hey I have a PII/233).
>As to Overclocking, it's an awesome thing to do. You should go to Tom's
>Hardware (www.tomshardware.com), as he has an excellent guide (he started it).
Hmm. Last I checked your odds of getting 450 Mhz reliably are about 80%,
and that's if you can tweak the voltage. I did this with an AOpen AX6BC
by cutting traces on the CPU card to get 2.2V, and it seems to work
perfectly at 100 Mhz bus, but I'm not completely comfy with it because
it's not reliable at 105.
>.... Get SCSI. Although you will
>do just fine with UDMA, you will realize the most performance gains(by quite a
>lot) in that area. SCSI drives tend to be much better designed also. The price
>is generally pretty steep, so this may or may not be a good idea for you.
Well it would be nice to see some comparisons of specific SCSI drives
versus specific UDMA drives. Anyone know of any? Conventional wisdom
(and my own experience) is that UDMA is about as good for much less $$,
except that the really fast/expensive drives come only as SCSI.
-- Rod
======================================================================
Sunset Systems Preconfigured Linux Computers
http://www.sunsetsystems.com/ and Custom Software
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: so, how is gnome 1.0, guys? <troll>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 03:25:20 GMT
On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:22:27 GMT, steve mcadams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[Posted & mailed, snipped, quoted is ">"]
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne) wrote:
>
>>I've not checked the RAM consumption from GNOME proper, as opposed to E;
>>E is *definitely* huge.
>
>Is "E" the new inspeak for KDE, or is it something else us outers
>don't know about? In either case, please spew forth words of
>definition :-)
"E" is "Enlightenment," the zowie wild window manager by the guy known
as "Rasterman." Some "themes" have been known to look *extremely* wild.
It doesn't mind chewing many MB of RAM all by itself. Just a window
manager.
See: <http://www.rasterman.com/> or <http://www.enlightenment.org> or
<http://www.deepsky.com/~e/>.
>>I get the feeling that Netscape is, by itself, a worse application (from
>>memory consumption perspective) than all of GNOME put together.
>
>Funny, that's why I tried Opera (for ms) and I liked it; only reason I
>went back to netscape was that Opera didn't support secure web-sites
>at the time (that and the fact that netscape isn't explorer).
Netscape is *definitely* the biggest "hog" of an application that I run.
Aside from trying to use "linbot," a Python-based web site analysis
utility that ought not to consume many MB of RAM, but apparently does if
you've got as much stuff as I've got at NTLug...
>>>There must be a shitload of unused support code buried in it
>>>that's waiting for somebody to write apps that use it.
>>
>>Certainly. There's an ORB that doesn't seem yet to be *heavily* used.
>
>Kewl, anooother new acronym! What pray tell is an ORB?
Object Request Broker.
See <http://www.omg.org> for more details (vastly more details than you
likely want to know :-)). Or
<http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/corba.html> for slightly less detail but
detail perhaps more relevant to Linux. Or the newsgroup
comp.object.corba.
Essentially, it's a set of "infrastructure" to allow OO applications
to interact across many platforms. You build code for a particular platform,
register interfaces with an ORB, and then can have components in one place
talk to components in other places. It's sort of a "portable RPC," with
more than merely delusions of grandeur.
Working Groups are actively defining "CORBA Services" to provide all
sorts of diverse sorts of functionality. Medical folk coming up with
protocols useful for medical applications. Accounting folk with protocols
for accounting applications. More stuff than you can shake a stick at.
--
Wow! Windows now can do everything using shared library DLLs, just
like Multics did back in the 1960s! Maybe someday they'll discover
separate processes and pipes, which came out in the 1970s!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 03:25:34 GMT
On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 18:19:36 -0500, wizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Christopher Browne wrote:
>> Buying Intel-based boxes might *not* be more economical if you have to
>> spend an extra million dollars on the land and building to house them...
>
>I really can't concieve of any situation were the size of the box is going to
>make an intel sysytem more competitve. If that were so Intel would be seling
>more of there super computers to the goverment. This is especially true if you
>are chosing competitve systems from both manufactures. Not many intel chipsets
>will allow 8MB of cache or large memory systems for that manner.
That's pretty fair. The point I was trying to suggest was not so much
"Here are the precise reasons to pick Alpha over IA-32," but rather
"There do exist considerations beyond the baldly sparse issue of
price."
Alphas are really rather a lot faster than IA-32 on FP operations; that
is an area where they *really* shine. Which means that if you're doing
FP-intense work, as was certainly the case for DD's "rendering farm,"
this makes Alphas "look better." (At least, in comparison with
applications where FP is unimportant, such as with network routers.)
*That,* combined with "big cache," and "big memory space," is probably
the more important reason for Alpha to win out over IA-32 when building
rendering farms.
The "value of real estate" evaluation might be more usefully applied to
the PalmPilot; anything that makes a PalmPilot larger is very bad, as it
prevents it from fitting in a shirt pocket. A few mm of extra length in
any dimension could have crippling effects on its sales.
--
Wow! Windows now can do everything using shared library DLLs, just
like Multics did back in the 1960s! Maybe someday they'll discover
separate processes and pipes, which came out in the 1970s!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/alpha.html>
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From: Matt Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: GNOME & WindowMaker [was: KDE? Gnome? ... confused]
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 03:38:21 GMT
>
> > > Is there a web site we can get to that will show us how to integrate GNOME
> > > and other WMs? (WindowMaker specifically)??
I added a Gnome entry to my Xclients file, so that when Gnome was entered in
.wm_style it would start Window Maker and then Gnome. It looks something like
this:
rm -f $HOME/Xrootenv.0
rm -f /tmp/fvwmrc* 2>/dev/null
if [ -f $HOME/.wm_style ] ; then
WMSTYLE='cat $HOME/.wm_style'
case "$WMSTYLE" in
WindowMaker | Windowmaker |WMaker | wmaker)
exec /usr/X11R6/bin/RunWM --WindowMaker
;;
Gnome)
wmaker -noclip -nodock
exec gnome-session
;;
esac
fi
This let's WindowMaker be the window manager, but without the dock and clip,
which is nice. This is kind of a hacky solution. I'd like to try compling Window
Maker lite to see how well that works, since the Window Maker menus still come up
when the right button is clicked on the desktop, and Gnome and WindowMaker seem to
fight over who gets to manage the background and stuff like that.
You could also try just running gnome-session without the windowmaker line,
but when I did that all of the programs that started didn't have a title bar or
any boarders. Nothing to manage them I guess. I also got Enlightenment to work as
a window manager this way, but it seems to lose programs when they are iconfied.
Any thought's why that might be anyone?
I am interested in collecting information on getting Gnome set up and running
and putting it on the web, so if anybody has any info they would like to
contribute, that would be great. I found the installation and setup instructions
at www.gnome.com to be very sparse when it come to actually getting the thing
working, but it's really nice once it gets going.
--
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// Matt Hughes
//
// 2nd year Student,
// Faculty of Engineering,
// University of Calgary
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// C code. C code run. Run code run!
//
// Math and alcohol don't mix.
// Stay alive, don't drink and derive.
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From: K Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ICQ for Java
Date: 13 Mar 1999 03:37:44 GMT
Hans Wolters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 06:49:01 -0800, William O'Neal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >i've been trying like hell to get ICQ for Java working for RH Linux 5.2
: >to no avail. i've installed jdk 1.1.7 and icq fires up, but as soon as i
: >get to the registration section of the setup utility icq crashes.
: >
: >does anyone have ....
: Hi, try licq or gtkicq. They both work great.
Yeah, try one of those icp apps. I used to use the Java version, but I've
switched to licq long ago and it's just as well. Besides, I noticed that
the Java version is resource hungry-and this is coming from a person who
has 128MB of RAM. Best,
Steve
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void main(void) {if(windows=="stable") hell=frozen;}
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Alsin)
Subject: Re: Linux Box Hardware
Date: 13 Mar 1999 02:55:28 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:49:07 -0500, Igor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I think about buying Celeron 300A CPU and Abit BH6 motherboard and setting
>up a linux box on it. (This can be overclocked nicely, right?)
Correct. The motherboard usually doesn't make a big deal though
(As long as it's BX).
>Is this configuration gonna work nice for linux? Will overclocking cause
>any problems? What AGP video-card and what sound-card can be recommended?
You can't lose with a Celeron. Also, in Linux, the CPU tends to be so nicely
and evenly utilized, that 300 should work very nicely (hey I have a PII/233).
As to Overclocking, it's an awesome thing to do. You should go to Tom's
Hardware (www.tomshardware.com), as he has an excellent guide (he started it).
As with AGP video cards, check out XFree86's website(www.xfree86.org) and make
SURE it is compatible. XFree86's(The software that let's you use X) support of
AGP tends to be slightly choppy(or so I've heard). Hint: You just *might* want
to wait for the Voodoo3(if you plan on an oversize monitor like 20').
With sound cards, it's probably the most difficult(again, so I've heard).
Sound isn't really a big deal in Linux. So try and find a nice stable brand
(Creative Labs), and by a card that is preferably very generic.
Now in Linux, if the Sound Card and Video Card and CPU are all unimportant,
then the IO system(usually Hard Disk) is critical. Get SCSI. Although you will
do just fine with UDMA, you will realize the most performance gains(by quite a
lot) in that area. SCSI drives tend to be much better designed also. The price
is generally pretty steep, so this may or may not be a good idea for you.
If you don't already have a monitor, consider pulling resources out of other
devices like(Sound Card, Video Card, Processor) and putting it into your
monitor. You will be staring at it quite a lot, and the difference between
15 and 17 is usually 60%. Get a 19 if possible, otherwise 17. Also,(usually)
get one below .26dp. So .24/.25 is great, but if you have to get .26 or .27
you can, but be very cautious. Don't get .28. Win32 biased reviewers usually
will give you good advice here.
Ram is good. Get at least 64. 96 is pleasant (Especially if you like Gimp or
Pov-Ray).
Oh, and avoid Winmodems.
================================================================
Andrew Alsin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: Help: No man in Debian 2.1?
Date: 13 Mar 1999 09:59:56 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 00:06:22 -0800 Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>When I type man in Debian 2.1 I get something like bash:man no such command.
Install man-db.deb and manpages.deb.
--
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Manager, Dueling Modems Computer Forum
<http://dm.net>
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From: Jeremy Nickolet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Partition Software Recommendation?
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 03:58:07 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> My fdisk program from Win95 does not work for some reason; I can run the
> program to create partitions on a re-zeroed HDD, set an active partition, and
> then view the partition table showing the partitions created, but when I
> reboot and re-run fdisk to display the partition table, no partitions are
> created and any changes I tried to make by using fdisk previously don't take
> effect. Can anybody comment on why this is happening?
>
> Is there any free disk partitioning program available on the net, like a clone
> of Partition Magic or Sys Comm?
>
> Has anyone used FreeDOS (www.freedos.org) and is it any good? I am thinking
> about downloading FreeDOS and using fdisk utility from FreeDOS to create
> partitions but would like to know any opinions on this. Thanks for any help.
>
> BOB
>
> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
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Try using a Linux utility/boot disk, these will have a Linux version of fdisk
that will do everything you want. I really Like Tom Osher's Root/Boot disk and
use it for all of my filesystem preparation. Find the link here:
http://members.home.com/nickoljt/links.html#specialized
Jeremy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: xfree86 guru help needed
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 01:05:17 GMT
hi , i have a GLD7555 graphics chip in a pentium micron notebook and am not
able to get the screen working properly . i have been trying to use XSetup .
Can sombody send me some inof/file/driver location etc...
i would relly appreciate it ..
thanx,
H.
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