Linux-Misc Digest #433, Volume #27 Sat, 24 Mar 01 06:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Best E-mail Client? (Dowe Keller)
Re: Installing KDE 2.1 RPMs must be easier than this (Dowe Keller)
Re: Linux for a 486? (Dowe Keller)
Re: Shutdown permissions (Dances With Crows)
Re: Making .bat-file in linux (Dowe Keller)
Re: A Better Web Browser...PLEASE! (Hal Burgiss)
Re: MGA400 + DRI in XFree 4 (Alex Fitterling)
Re: A Better Web Browser...PLEASE! (enkidu)
Re: Installing KDE 2.1 RPMs must be easier than this (Fester)
Re: Making .bat-file in linux (Hartmann Schaffer)
Re: NFS Installation (Fester)
Multiple (Redundant) Internet Connection ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Best E-mail Client? (Garglemonster)
Re: Multiple (Redundant) Internet Connection (Markku Kolkka)
Re: installing glib (theDuke1234)
Re: installing glib (theDuke1234)
Re: installing glib (theDuke1234)
Re: slave ypserv ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: RedHat 7 - SCSI Low Level Formatter? ("Peter T. Breuer")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dowe Keller)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Best E-mail Client?
Date: 23 Mar 2001 21:10:47 -0800
On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:20:17 GMT, Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Christian Garms wrote:
>
>>Hehe, but M$-Word is ok, I've written my whole PhD-Thesis in Word. No
>>offense to you, but Word is not that bad. Especially if you have EndNote,
>>so the endnotes for references really work nifty.
>
>You are exceptional. I would estimate that 90% of the word
>documents I've read have broken tables of contents, broken
>cross references, and/or broken sequence numbering. I've got
>one at had right now where the TOC numbers are all wrong.
In a world with LaTeX, SGML and Texinfo, why do some people still
insist on doing things the *HARD WAY*?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dowe Keller)
Subject: Re: Installing KDE 2.1 RPMs must be easier than this
Date: 23 Mar 2001 21:20:15 -0800
Chris Gordon-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am installing from a CD with binary RPMs. I've tried using GnoRPM,
>KPackage and RPMDrake. Whatever I do I get dependency problems and
>conflicts. I feel as though it should be much easier than this.
>
>Can anyone help?
Well, for starters changing the front-end to the RPM program won't
gain you anything. You apparently need to install some other stuff
that KDE expects to be installed on your system.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dowe Keller)
Subject: Re: Linux for a 486?
Date: 23 Mar 2001 21:33:18 -0800
On 23 Mar 2001 19:35:32 GMT, Troy Loveday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I just got peanut loaded on mine with kde.
>
>>netscape chrashes it.
>
>>but the kde html prog works ok.
>
>>16mb ram, 486 dx/4 100 33mhz bus 200mb disk, tvga 9800c svga card, svga
>>monitor.
>
>>don't give up it's possible.
>
>I'm still fairly satisfied running an ancient Slackware distribution
>(Linux kernel 1.2.13) on a 486 DX/2 66 w/ 32 MB RAM. It runs X
>decently. Netscape is no problem (though it takes a few seconds to
>load).
Heck, I'm running a Cyrix 5x86 with 16MB and its fast enough that I
haven't felt the need to install more memory. I don't use GNOME or
KDE, but I do run X, currently I'm using fvwm. I regularly run
GNU/Emacs, Netscrape 4.something, and VSH (a Perl file manager) with
little slowdown. I use this machine to write C and Perl code, play
Quake, and generally do everything that I would do with the biggest
baddest 1000MHz 256MB monster (please excuse me if that is now
considered a slow machine, I haven't been shopping) and from my
perspective all I lose is a little eye candy and some drool proof UI
bits.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Shutdown permissions
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 24 Mar 2001 05:33:06 GMT
On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:15:08 -0700, Steve Smith staggered into the Black
Sun and said:
>We have a standalone PC at home running both Suse 7.1 Linux and Windows
>ME. We use KDE on Linux, with the default graphical login manager.
>
>Since this is at home, it would be nice if pushing the "shutdown" button
>
>on the graphical login manager would allow anyone to shut the machine
>down. Unfortunately, I can't figure out how to do this. Pushing this
>button requires entering the root password before shutdown will occur.
>
>/etc/shutdown.allow sounded like a good possibility, but it doesn't seem
>to do
>the job. The man page implies that you have to be logged in and have
>permission in the shutdown.allow file. No one is logged in when the
>graphical login manager is up.
>
>Any suggestions of what to do or what to read to figure this out will be
>greatly appreciated.
Log in to X as root.
KDE Control Panel -> Login Manager
One of the options here is "allow to shutdown." You can set this to
"root only", "console only", or "all". I set mine to "console only",
but "all" will also work. HTH,
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
=============================/ I hit a seg fault....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dowe Keller)
Subject: Re: Making .bat-file in linux
Date: 23 Mar 2001 21:38:45 -0800
Jeremiah DeWitt Weiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The Spook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On my
>> Linux system (using bash as the login shell), it is interpreted by bash
>> unless the #!-notation (called the hash-bang-notation) is used.
>
>
> Damn. Live and learn. I never knew that before. Thanks, Spook!
>(Now, my only question is where is that set...)
Let me explain. Under Un*x type OSes, if the first line of a file
contains:
#!/usr/bin/foo
Then the shell passes the file to the program "foo", living in the
/usr/bin directory. The program "foo" then interprets the file.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: A Better Web Browser...PLEASE!
Reply-To: Hal Burgiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 24 Mar 2001 00:47:30 -0500
On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 03:19:58 GMT, Hun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I hopefully believe there will be nice applications which graps
>Microsoft Windows' users. I wonder what is the nice application?
>
X? It's not prettier, just smarter. But maybe that's the problem.
--
Hal B
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From: Alex Fitterling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MGA400 + DRI in XFree 4
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 07:07:45 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Alex Fitterling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> is anyone using MGA400 with DRI support ?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Many people.
Are you many people ???? grxmbfx
> Adam
:)
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From: enkidu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: A Better Web Browser...PLEASE!
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:29:16 +1200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hun wrote:
>
> If you consider only the web browser, Yeah! still there is
> no Web browser like IE. Especailly, when you visit M$
> friendly web site.
>
IE doesn't work properly with www.microsoft.com! Visit it
with IE, and much of the time it only renders the banner!
If you refresh it gives you a bit more. Netscape often,
but by no means always, works with www.microsoft.com. So
if I visit that URL I keep both the browsers open and
copy and paste URLs just in case one browser handles the
page better than the other. That site is a pain.
Cheers,
Cliff
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fester)
Subject: Re: Installing KDE 2.1 RPMs must be easier than this
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 06:36:08 GMT
I saw Chris Gordon-Smith rant about the following:
>I am trying to install KDE 2.1 onto my Mandrake 7.2 system (which currently
>includes KDE 2.0).
>
>I am installing from a CD with binary RPMs. I've tried using GnoRPM,
>KPackage and RPMDrake. Whatever I do I get dependency problems and
>conflicts. I feel as though it should be much easier than this.
>
>Can anyone help?
There's a specific order that you have to install them in.
1. Qt Libraries
2. KDESupport
3. KDELibs
4. All other KDE packages
If that fails, I've found that the only failsafe method is to remove any
previous version of KDE and Qt entirely, and install the 2.1 rpms from
scratch.
--
-- Fester
"Actually, I think I'll go with your multiple orgasms theory." - Tomo
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hartmann Schaffer)
Subject: Re: Making .bat-file in linux
Date: 24 Mar 2001 01:37:44 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dowe Keller wrote:
> ...
>>> Linux system (using bash as the login shell), it is interpreted by bash
>>> unless the #!-notation (called the hash-bang-notation) is used.
>>
>>
>> Damn. Live and learn. I never knew that before. Thanks, Spook!
>>(Now, my only question is where is that set...)
>
>Let me explain. Under Un*x type OSes, if the first line of a file
>contains:
>
>#!/usr/bin/foo
>
>Then the shell passes the file to the program "foo", living in the
>/usr/bin directory. The program "foo" then interprets the file.
actually, afaik this is built into the kernel or the program loader: you
can call a file starting with #! with exec(2)
hs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fester)
Subject: Re: NFS Installation
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 06:44:48 GMT
I saw [EMAIL PROTECTED] rant about the following:
> I set up the NFS server and exported /mnt/cdrom.
> The clients see the directory (I can mount to it on a running
>client as well, and I can see the entire tree).
>
> The problem:
>
> When I try to install Linux on a machine using NFS, the install
>fails because it does not recognize the tree as a Red Hat installation
>tree. The Red Hat CD is in the server's CDROM drive --- What gives?
>
> Any suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated.......
>Thanks.
Try /path/RedHat/
Where path is where you have mounted the exported /mnt/cdrom. The "RedHat
installation tree" is a subdirectory on the cdrom, not the root directory
of the cdrom.
--
-- Fester
"Actually, I think I'll go with your multiple orgasms theory." - Tomo
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Multiple (Redundant) Internet Connection
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 06:47:03 GMT
Hi,
I am not sure whether this question was asked or not. If it was
asked, could you direct me to where I can find more information?
Our company is looking to setup multiple (redundant) internet
connections for our webservers. We are consider T1, DSL, and
Wireless. These services will be from different providers and we just
want to make sure our site can be reached if one of the provider goes
down temporarily. We are aware of co-host (or co-location), but we
would like to house this ourselves. What can be done at the linux box
to be serviced by multiple internet providers? Any info would be much
appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Paul
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From: Garglemonster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Best E-mail Client?
Date: 24 Mar 2001 17:53:01 +0900
>>>>> "Christian" == Christian Garms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Christian> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (H.Bruijn) writes:
>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:32:04 +0000, John Beardmore allegedly wrote:
>> structurise your texts, which you can also do in in Word,
>> except that hardly anyone does, most people end up using a
>> larger bold font size to designate chapters and number them
>> manually.
Christian> Hehe, but M$-Word is ok, I've written my whole
Christian> PhD-Thesis in Word. No offense to you, but Word is not
Christian> that bad. Especially if you have EndNote, so the
Christian> endnotes for references really work nifty.
did mine in latex, so there. it was better than "not that bad" in
that it allowed me to forget about all but a few formatting issues.
(there was a widow or an orphan somewhere that i had to fix before the
ex-marine-football-jock-dissertation-fuhrer would accept my thesis.)
anyway, did you try printing your thesis with a different machine
and/or printer? fun right? it will also be a gas to read your thesis
with word[n] 10 years from now. even if it weren't the buggy piece o'
shit that it is, the upgrade treadmill is a good enough reason to stay
away from word.
Christian> If you use LyX (graphical WYSIWIG frontend for LaTeX),
Christian> the learning curve isn't that steep. My recommendation:
Christian> Try LyX, and then switch to LaTex (if you want).
i dunno... everyone says this, but i still find lyx _more_ difficult
than plain old latex. i don't think latex is that difficult,
especially if you've done some web pages or programming.
g.m. phd
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is a black hole and the pink socks are bus drivers who just fell in!!
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From: Markku Kolkka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Multiple (Redundant) Internet Connection
Date: 24 Mar 2001 11:20:27 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> What can be done at the linux box
> to be serviced by multiple internet providers? Any info would be much
> appreciated.
Connct the sufficient amount of network interfaces, and run dynamic
routing software like GateD or Zebra.
Make sure that the physical connections to different ISPs are really
separate, not just different wire pairs in one cable.
People in comp.os.linux.networking may have better answers.
--
Markku Kolkka
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From: theDuke1234 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: installing glib
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:30:07 -0000
Hi:
Newbie to Linux(my disclaimer).
I'm having the same issue with my updating of glib and gtk. You said to
check/edit the path, but how would I go about doing that? How do I access
the paths, where are they located, etc.
Thank you very much!
Know of any good resources to learn about linx: forums, sites?
Art Haas wrote:
>
>
> Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > it doesn't seem like i have a problem installing glib, but when i try
> > installing gtk, I do. I use the ./configure --prefix=./bin command
like
> > the readme says, i have even tried eliminating the --prefix command all
> > together. the installation goes well, but when configuring gtk, it
says
> > your glib-config --version has reported that you have glib 1.2.9(the
> > version im trying to install), but it has been detected that you have
glib
> > version 1.2.7, try changing you configuration. i've tried many
things, but
> > it doesn't seem as if im doing something right. could someone help me
with
> > this (probably easily fixed) problem? thank you.
> >
>
> You probably have a `glib-config' for glib-1.2.7 found in your $PATH
> earlier than the `glib-config' for glib-1.2.9.
>
> Fiddle with your path ...
>
> $ export PATH=/path/to/lastest_glib_install/bin:${PATH}
>
> ... and see if that fixes things.
>
> --
> ###############################
> # Art Haas
> # (713) 689-2417
> ###############################
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From: theDuke1234 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: installing glib
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:30:09 -0000
Hi:
Newbie to Linux(my disclaimer).
I'm having the same issue with my updating of glib and gtk. You said to
check/edit the path, but how would I go about doing that? How do I access
the paths, where are they located, etc.
Thank you very much!
Know of any good resources to learn about linx: forums, sites?
Art Haas wrote:
>
>
> Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > it doesn't seem like i have a problem installing glib, but when i try
> > installing gtk, I do. I use the ./configure --prefix=./bin command
like
> > the readme says, i have even tried eliminating the --prefix command all
> > together. the installation goes well, but when configuring gtk, it
says
> > your glib-config --version has reported that you have glib 1.2.9(the
> > version im trying to install), but it has been detected that you have
glib
> > version 1.2.7, try changing you configuration. i've tried many
things, but
> > it doesn't seem as if im doing something right. could someone help me
with
> > this (probably easily fixed) problem? thank you.
> >
>
> You probably have a `glib-config' for glib-1.2.7 found in your $PATH
> earlier than the `glib-config' for glib-1.2.9.
>
> Fiddle with your path ...
>
> $ export PATH=/path/to/lastest_glib_install/bin:${PATH}
>
> ... and see if that fixes things.
>
> --
> ###############################
> # Art Haas
> # (713) 689-2417
> ###############################
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From: theDuke1234 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: installing glib
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:30:09 -0000
Hi:
Newbie to Linux(my disclaimer).
I'm having the same issue with my updating of glib and gtk. You said to
check/edit the path, but how would I go about doing that? How do I access
the paths, where are they located, etc.
Thank you very much!
Know of any good resources to learn about linux: forums, sites?
Art Haas wrote:
>
>
> Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > it doesn't seem like i have a problem installing glib, but when i try
> > installing gtk, I do. I use the ./configure --prefix=./bin command
like
> > the readme says, i have even tried eliminating the --prefix command all
> > together. the installation goes well, but when configuring gtk, it
says
> > your glib-config --version has reported that you have glib 1.2.9(the
> > version im trying to install), but it has been detected that you have
glib
> > version 1.2.7, try changing you configuration. i've tried many
things, but
> > it doesn't seem as if im doing something right. could someone help me
with
> > this (probably easily fixed) problem? thank you.
> >
>
> You probably have a `glib-config' for glib-1.2.7 found in your $PATH
> earlier than the `glib-config' for glib-1.2.9.
>
> Fiddle with your path ...
>
> $ export PATH=/path/to/lastest_glib_install/bin:${PATH}
>
> ... and see if that fixes things.
>
> --
> ###############################
> # Art Haas
> # (713) 689-2417
> ###############################
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: slave ypserv
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:04:56 GMT
Christoph Kukulies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Scenario: RH 6.1
> I want to make my system (>20 RH workstations, NFS, amd, NIS/yp)
> it bit safer against dropouts.
> That is, introduce a second (slave) NIS/yp server.
> How can I accomplish this?
You can't really. You CAN make the second server a NIS slave to the
first (if they've fixed yppush by now), and then get it to ping the
primary. When the ping fails, get it to put up an ip alias for the
master so that nis calls go to it instead of the primary (you'll need a
floating IP alias as the "master").
An alternative is for the clients to make broadcast calls. But that's
horrible.
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RedHat 7 - SCSI Low Level Formatter?
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:04:58 GMT
Chris wolcott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a way to perform a LOW-LEVEL format in Linux RedHat 7?
What format? Of what? If you are talking about ide disks, there is no
such thing as a low level format in modern disks. You don't get
anywhere near the physical device via the interface the electronics
presents.
> Is there a way to build my own image for the 17SMG build? (I have it
Eh, what?
Peter
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