Linux-Misc Digest #433, Volume #18 Sat, 2 Jan 99 00:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: Mounting floppy (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Re: X based news reader suggestions... (David M. Cook)
Re: Clocks and timeservers (Bill Unruh)
Re: Mounting floppy (David M. Cook)
Re: Install KDE (Carl Brown)
Re: Please explain nice levels to me. (Barry Margolin)
Re: make zImage fails at last step (Edward Dunagin)
how to turn off modem speaker in ppp ("H.T. Sun")
Re: Infringement of the GPL (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: Clocks and timeservers (Christopher B. Browne)
Mounting Solaris7 Partition on Linux? (Ron Venema)
Re: Besr dual boot w/ Windows? (rob)
Re: Best Free Unix? (Chris Mauritz)
Diamond Multimedia Stealth II setup ("Hugh")
Re: Infringement of the GPL (Rod Smith)
Re: good office package for linux (Mark Worsdall)
Re: Xwindow problem (Howard Mann)
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mounting floppy
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 20:00:41 -0600
Bob Liesenfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi gang,
>
> What is the reason that under linux a floppy disk file system must
be mounted
> and unmounted, under pain of screwing the fs up,
mmmm.... I'm running KDE on my SuSE 5.3. On the desktop are icons for
the Floppya, the CDROM, DOSA, DOSC and DOSD. When I want to use the
floppya (ext2) I put the floppy in the drive and click the icon. KFM
immediately pops up, displaying the drive contents.
The icon switches to one which indicates a floppy is mounted. When I'm
done using the floppya I click the same icon again and the floppya is
umounted and the icon switches back to the unmounted image. I remove my
floppya.
Where's the pain in that?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: X based news reader suggestions...
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 02:28:18 GMT
On Fri, 01 Jan 1999 19:27:14 +0000, Jon D. Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Can anyone suggest a good x-based news reader?
I suggest slrn running in an rxvt.
>I'd like uuencode/decode capabilities.
Slrn will decode (or rather, call the right utility for it). I suggest
uudeview for encoding.
http://www.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de/~fp/uudeview/
Dave Cook
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: Clocks and timeservers
Date: 2 Jan 1999 02:30:06 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
]The question of setting the computer clock on a linux machine seems to
]come up fairly often. I have xntp3, but I haven't set it up yet. One
]thing the documentation mentions (I am still reading it) is the
]existance of radio clocks that receive a standard time signal. These
]clocks can be attached to computers to turn them into a primary
](stratum 1) timeserver.
]If such a clock isn't too expensive, I would like to get one for my
]linux network. Does anybody know anything about doing this, how much
]a reasonable clock costs, and what the set up involves?
It might well be fun. However, unless you are really in need of highly
accurate time signals (eg running a radio telescope), a class 2 or even
class 3 network would be plenty accurate enough. xntp3 goes to great
lengths to ensure that the time signal it gets is accurate despite
networking delays, etc. Besides, Linux is terrible at actually getting
things done at any exact time (multiprocessor/multiuser).
and the PC clock has a hard time being accurate.
Don't know how GPS receivers interfacing with computers are doing, since
GPS uses clocks accurate to nanoseconds.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: Mounting floppy
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 02:31:46 GMT
On Fri, 01 Jan 1999 12:24:13 -0600, Bob Liesenfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>disks in or out at will with no problem. I guess I'm asking 'what is this
Use mtools instead, man mtools. If you add yourself to the floppy group in
/etc/group, you don't have to su to root to access the drive.
Dave Cook
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From: Carl Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,hk.comp.os.linux,tw.bbs.comp.linux
Subject: Re: Install KDE
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 20:46:55 -0500
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/31/98
at 11:53 AM, "Nicola Kisselhoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enriched our
lives with:
>So, as root, go to your KDE directory on the CD.
>Type rpm -ivh *.rpm
>Then open /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
>find a line with : # start some nice programs
>Comment (put # at the beginning of ) each folowing line
>and add : exec /opt/kde/bin/startkde .
>Open /etc/bashrc and add at the end :
>export PATH=.:/opt/kd/bin:$PATH
>then startx and agree with the creating of some directories ang enjoy.
Congratulations! You just provided better instructions than KDE. Their
instructions don't work.
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Carl Brown, Whitefield, NH, USA Proud Member of TEAM OS/2
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Boycott Micro$oft!
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Friday, January 01, 1999 - 08:46 PM
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From: Barry Margolin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Please explain nice levels to me.
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 02:50:06 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>btw are there batch scheduling facilities in unix? i'd like to have a
>batch daemon to which i submit jobs and it fifos them up and runs
>them.
Solaris has a batch(1) command, which is related to at and cron. The
system administrator can control how many batch jobs get run at a time, and
their niceness.
--
Barry Margolin, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GTE Internetworking, Powered by BBN, Burlington, MA
*** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups.
Don't bother cc'ing followups to me.
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Crossposted-To:
linux.dev.kernel,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,alt.linux,linux.redhat.misc
From: Edward Dunagin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: make zImage fails at last step
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:54:04 -0500
try make bzImage
that should work
On Fri, 1 Jan 1999, PDG wrote:
> Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:50:16 -0500
> From: PDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Newsgroups: linux.dev.kernel, alt.os.linux, comp.os.linux.misc,
> comp.os.linux.setup, alt.linux, linux.redhat.misc
> Subject: Re: make zImage fails at last step
>
> especially if you're compiling 2.2
>
> --
> PDG--"We bring bad things to life"
>
> For PGP Public key-- http://webcrush.com/pgp.htm
>
>
>
>
>
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From: "H.T. Sun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: how to turn off modem speaker in ppp
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 19:12:22 -0800
Hi,
Does anybody know what command in the ppp script in
order to turn the speaker of my modem ?
Thanks a lot
H.T.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Subject: Re: Infringement of the GPL
Date: 2 Jan 1999 03:32:46 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 01 Jan 1999 16:20:51 -0500, David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams) writes:
>-> On 31 Dec 1998 00:56:46 -0500, David Steuber
>-> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>-> >
>-> >It is quite rare to make a living by writing books. Most book authors
>-> >have jobs. Sometimes they are consultants, but that is still a job.
>->
>-> Actually I think a lot of book authors are professional writers... I
>-> spent about 3 years as a tech writer for IBM (and learned a lot) but
>-> as I recall, out of about 75 writers, there were usually at least a
>-> dozen writing a book on the side. Kind of like programmers cranking
>-> out shareware in their spare time, on a slightly different wavelength.
>-> -steve
>
>Yes, but look at how long it takes to write one good book. Then look
>at how much money the auther makes writing that book. Prolific
>enough authors can make enough money that they don't need another
>job. But how many of those are there? A few hundred perhaps?
Probably more than that, but authors tend to fall into two groups:
a) People that have a job that pays them to come up with material that is
occasionally condusive to bookwriting. The Knuths of this world are not
writers; they are paid to research and "profess" :-) and occasionally
produce a book. Such books are gold...
O'Reilly appears to have been going after these sorts of authors, which is
part of the reason why O'Reilly produces books that are well regarded.
It seems unlikely that O'Reilly authors directly get "rich" from their book
royalties (with occasional exceptions; there are a lot of copies of
"Programming Perl" out there...); authors are likely to find their careers
benefit in secondary ways. After writing a notable O'Reilly book, job
offers and consulting engagements likely prove easy to find.
b) "Professional authors" that churn out a book every [n] months, whether
they really have material or not. Piers Antony was the "king of prolific
writing" in SF/Fantasy; he was averaging about 2 books per year the last I
counted. (And the only thing I found worth reading in the books was the
"Author's Afterword...")
The "book mills" like Que, Sybex, Macmillan and SAMS seem to function in
this fashion. Producing a book for them has *got* to be a real chore.
>I buy a lot of computer books. I have learned through experience how
>to tell which books are tree killing landfill fodder and which books
>are actually useful. I am very selective. I expect that when I buy a
>copy of a book, the author makes a couple dollars (US). In the grand
>scheme of things, these are not the most popular books sold. The
>really good books may sell a few tens of thousands of copies. That
>will probably compensate the writer well enough to cover living
>expenses while writing the book.
Possible, but the *good* stuff comes from people that *need to write that
book* because they have something really good to write. The money is likely
to be a secondary issue, at least in computing.
>As for all that crap from Sams and Que, I bet the author makes squat.
>Those books need all those dumb screen shots and computer generated
>code as filler to hide the fact that even a good author just can't put
>in the time necessary to turn out quality work for such a publisher.
>Those publishers aren't interested in quality anyway.
There was a really good article about this; see:
<http://photo.net/wtr/dead-trees/story.html>
"This document exists to
- explain how I ended up writing a dead trees computer book
- convey what it is like to work with a publisher on a project like
this
- expound my theories on why computer books are so bad
- show off my great new theory on why celebrities are often so
miserable"
The book was sold by Macmillan as "Database Backed Web Sites," whilst the
author wanted to call it "How to be a (small type) WEB WHORE (big type) just
like me (small type)."
The story is *well* worth reading by anyone that has ever been contacted by
a publisher suggesting that "Wouldn't it be cool for you to be an author?"
>There is not a lot of profit margin in books. They are expensive to
>produce and distribute. The author only gets a thin slice of that
>profit. The publisher gets the rest. In a sense, writing a good book
>for a good publisher (O'Reilly, Addison-Wesley, Prentice Hall) is a
>lot like writing sharewhere. The primary benifit to the author is the
>knowlege of contributing something useful to society. Those writers
>you mentioned are in the same boat. They have day jobs just like you
>do to support their need to eat.
There should be room for the Internet to allow more closely targeted selling
of books, bringing authors closer to readers.
The Linux Documentation Project represents a "authors-don't-get-paid"
approach that has worked well enough to be useful. I suspect that we could
get some pretty spiffy results if some funding could be put into place to
allow some writers to work on documentation as a "paying for food" venture.
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to Linux today?..."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Subject: Re: Clocks and timeservers
Date: 2 Jan 1999 03:33:00 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 01 Jan 1999 16:28:30 -0500, David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>The question of setting the computer clock on a linux machine seems to
>come up fairly often. I have xntp3, but I haven't set it up yet. One
>thing the documentation mentions (I am still reading it) is the
>existance of radio clocks that receive a standard time signal. These
>clocks can be attached to computers to turn them into a primary
>(stratum 1) timeserver.
>
>If such a clock isn't too expensive, I would like to get one for my
>linux network. Does anybody know anything about doing this, how much
>a reasonable clock costs, and what the set up involves?
>
>BTW, my definition of 'too expensive' would be more than a few hundred
>dollars (US).
Rumor has it that a GPS unit can be hooked to NTP. The cheap units don't
generate good enough serial signals to provide better than about 1 second
precision. See the URL below for a bit more detail...
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/ipmiscprotocols.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to Linux today?..."
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From: Ron Venema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Mounting Solaris7 Partition on Linux?
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 20:49:45 -0700
Hi all, I'm running a multiboot system and would like to be able to
mount my Solaris partition on Linux.
I've recompiled the kernel (2.0.36) to support this but I can't seem to
mount this. I've entered it in fstab but on bootup I get a wrong fs
(etc,etc) message.
Help would be appreciated.
Thanks
RV
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Besr dual boot w/ Windows?
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 21:01:53 -0700
Rob wrote:
>Michael Powe wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> [posted and mailed]
> >>>>> "Matt" == Matt O'Toole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Matt> I'm setting up a new system with Win 95/98 (undecided) and
> Matt> Linux. I want to find the simplest, cheapest, most
> Matt> flexible, and most convenient boot manager. I have
> Matt> Partition Magic 3, and it works great. However, it won't
>
> Lilo will boot other operating systems. I have Win95/linux. Lilo is
> set to default to whatever you choose. You can have it boot normally
> to linux, you can set the amount of time to wait before booting the
> default setup.
>
> To avoid the problem of Windows overwriting the mbr, you can install
> Windows first and then linux. Once they're installed, if you do have
> to reinstall Windows for some reason, you just have to boot your linux
> boot disk and rerun lilo.
>
> mp
{snip}
Howdy Matt,
The cheapest is indeed LILO. However, I would add to the note from Mike that
you do not need to load MS first.
1. Install linux
2. Make the partition for MS bootable and the correct type FAT=>32.
3. Use mkfs.msdos to create a msdos filesystem on the partition.
4. Install MS without wiping out the partitions.
5. MS will overwrite the mbr.
6. Stick the boot floppy you made in linux (you make one, right!) and boot
back to linux. You may need to specify the partition, e.g. boot: linux
/dev/sda2. If you use an original installation boot disk because you didn't
make a boot disk you can reboot linux using boot: linux /dev/<partition, e.g.
sda2>.
7. Edit /etc/lilo.conf to add the MS partion, e.g.
other = /dev/sda3
label = win
loader = /mnt/LINUX/chain.b # this may vary for your distribution the
example is for SuSE 5.2
table = /dev/sda3
8. Run /sbin/lilo and make sure the win and linux are added.
Voile' LILO is back in the driver's seat. To verify this you can check out MS
website somewhere under problems support. Me thinks they are stepping light
because of the lawsuits and are posting fixes for their OSs overwriting the
mbr. (Opps we didn't really mean tooo)
I just fininshed setting up an inexpensive CD-ROM server for the Solaris
network at work by using Linux on an old P166 using the above dual boot
setup. My boss stipulated MS needed to go back on the box so the MS office
apps would be there. yeesh.
Good luck,
Rob
NRCS Remote Sensing Specialist
Bozeman, MT 59715
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Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
From: Chris Mauritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix?
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 04:04:22 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Paul B. Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I have played some with commercial Unixes like HP-UX, Sun, Solaris, but
>>now I am looking for a Unix machine running non-commericial Unix. I am
>>thinking about Linux or FreeBSD.
>>
>>I know this was discussed ad infinitum, but which OS is more popular
>>or better? Which one is most like HP-UX 10.20 in terms of filestructure?
> Probably Redhat 5.2 (Linux 2.0.35) is probably the closest fit. However,
> since both Linux and FreeBSD are dirt cheap, why not invest in both and
> make your own choice.
> Both Linux and FreeBSD are excellent choices. They are both stable and
> able to handle a great deal of stress. Which one is more popular?
> Probably Linux since it's it getting the lion's share of the media
> attention. The media boneheads really don't have a clue but at least they
> can make themselves useful by letting a wider audience know about free
> software solutions.
Both RH 5.2 and FreeBSD are good choices. One choice that you many not
have considered is Solaris. Sun is promoting the latest version of
Solaris X86 for some ridiculously low price (I believe it's $10 or somesuch).
While it's not as friendly out of the box as FreeBSD and Linux, it might
be worth a look just for grins.
Chris
--
Christopher Mauritz
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Hugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Diamond Multimedia Stealth II setup
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:18:15 -0600
Can someone please help me to configure my video? I can't run X-Windows. I
have a Diamond Multimedia Stealth II with the Rendition Verite 2100 chip.
Hugh
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Infringement of the GPL
Date: 2 Jan 1999 04:21:05 GMT
In article <76jbpa$7me$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh) writes:
>
> The statement that works containing
> GPLed code is also GPLed is as valid as if it stated that the user of
> the GPLed work therafter became the indentured slave of the original
> writer, especially as the terms of the GPL were not agreed to by the
> two parties before hand. Ie, just because it is written in a so called
> license, does not mean it is legal.
A couple of points here.
First, this is a variant on the question of the validity of so-called
"shrink-wrap licenses." The last I'd heard, court cases involving these
have been pretty slim to date, though I've a vague recollection of
hearing of a case (or perhaps some legislation) upholding them. I
imagine that software companies which rely upon such licenses would be
reluctant to intentionally start a court case which would either result
in these licenses being declared null and void or result in their code
being forced into GPL status.
Second, I don't think your analogy is a good one, since the "use" in the
case we're discussing is incorporating the code into one's own product --
that's a very intentional act which, it would be VERY easy to argue,
constitutes implicit agreement to the terms of the GPL. AFAIK, the GPL
doesn't restrict use in the sense of how you use a finished product.
--
Rod Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.users.fast.net/~rodsmith
NOTE: Remove the digit and following word from my address to mail me
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From: Mark Worsdall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: pl.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: good office package for linux
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 04:48:08 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, b.klimas
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>"Peter T. Caffin" wrote:
>
>> In comp.os.linux.misc Christian Huebner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> > David wrote:
>> >> Applixware is a great office suite. The recommend 32M.
>> >> Thomas F. Ewald wrote in message
>> >> <01be2d20$90bf1d80$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> > Applixware is not quite my favourite. Try Star Office.
>>
>> I haven't tried Applixware yet. Next priority :).
>>
>> > Its free for personal use and it can fully replace M$ Office.
>> > It also is much more reliable than M$ Office
>>
>> The 'minimum' RAM required for Star Office 5.0 is 32M (I've tried 16M with
>> swap.. forget it) but it apparently likes 48M and up.
>>
>> Word Perfect 8 is running nicely on this machine with 16M, however, it
>> doesn't have the full quota of utilities, file filters, etc. It's great as
>> a general word processor tho :).
>
>Word perfect is great. For a spreadsheet, you may try xesslite
>(shareware, http://www.ais.com/ ). Impressive and powerful.
>I also heard that Wingz is very good, although I personally
>never tried it. Gnumeric (part of GNOME) seems to be
>worth watching, but it yet lacks most advanced features.
>
Star Office is cool:-)
Is there a way to put the startup for it in an X menu?
--
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From: Howard Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Xwindow problem
Date: 2 Jan 1999 05:06:34 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Kenneth Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi
> I need some help please.
>
> I just got started on using the XFree86 and I'm having problems getting
> the XF86Config file set up to work with the equipment I have
> I have checked the FAQs and also all documentation I can find sofare
>
>
> A Orchid Technology Farenheit PRO-64-PCI vidio card
> which has the S3 Vision 964 chipset
Do you have XFree86, version 3.3.3, and the XF86_S3 server?
( http://www.xfree86.org/cardlist.html)
(edit)
>
> I'm running RED HAT 5.2
>
> With everything I have done all I can get out of it is A black screen or
>
> the X mouse Cursor on a black screen.
>
> If there is anything that you can do to help me please help.
If you still have a problem, then I suggest...
1. At a console, type : X -probeonly > /tmp/X.out 2>&1
2. Post the contents of this file, along with ...
3. The "Monitor, Devices and Screens " sections of your XF86Config file
Then hope that X - gurus will analyze these files and help you :-)
Before posting, I also suggest that you peruse the " Xwoes " section on my website to
understand the rationale for this approach.
Best regards,
--
Howard Mann
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.xmission.com/~howardm
(a LINUX website for newbies)
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