Linux-Misc Digest #481, Volume #19 Tue, 16 Mar 99 17:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: WebDB on Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: HELP:Can't load kfm on KDE (Jim McCusker)
Re: hacked login (telnet) (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Linux Box Hardware ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Redhat linux and Iomega Zip 250 drive ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Ega Video Card/Montior ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: HELP! CANNOT LOGIN ANYMORE! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Star Office Very Slow - WP8 Broken (Sandra Capri)
Re: More bad news for NT (NF Stevens)
windowmaker install problems ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Version of gcc? (Jason White)
Kernel HOWTO accuracy? ("Walter L. Williams")
Re: balsa libPropList error ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Reinstalling applications? -- Cnt+Alt+Del -- Aliases -- Multimedia (Bengt
Richter)
Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Kernel HOWTO accuracy? ("Walter L. Williams")
Re: binary Emacs 20.x for i386? (Glenn Opdycke-Hansen)
using ELM (Benjamin HERZOG)
Re: Netscape DNS (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: Sybase ODBC driver for Windows ("Erich Huemoeller")
Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows ("Dan O'Connor")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.databases.oracle.server,relcom.comp.dbms.oracle,comp.databases.oracle.misc
Subject: Re: WebDB on Linux
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:27:19 GMT
Within the doc directory of the installs there is a manual install html page.
Follow the instructions for installing the WebDB packages. You'll need to
have an Oracle web server with the PL/SQL cartridge, but that is available
for Linux.
The page will walk you through install the packages and pre-loading several
of the message and help tables. Skip the listener install since you will use
the OWS. The install process is platform independent as long as you have an
Oracle web server to plug into.
In article <7cjkla$9fi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> hi,
> there're only two version of webdb on oracle technet is because they only have
> the listeners for solaris and nt. so in theory, you should be able to install
> webdb on linux if you don't want the listener intalled? right?
> khai
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Nathan Custer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I didn't think WebDB was out for Linux? I was thinking it was only Win NT
and
> > Solaris
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > hi everyone, i'm trying to install WebDB on a Linux (RedHat 5.2 with
kernel
> > > 2.2.2) box with Oracle 8.0.5 on it. Has anyone installed WebDB on Linux?
> Is
> > > there a way that I can have a little howto on how to install WebDB on
Linux?
> > > please help! khai
> > >
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From: Jim McCusker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HELP:Can't load kfm on KDE
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:35:45 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Christopher R. Dorr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > QM wrote in message <7c0os7$e3q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > >Hi, I closed my kfm window yesterday and now I can't seem to load it up.
> > I've
> > >tried using both the menu icon and command line but both methods fail. Does
> > >anyone know why this happens and how I can solve it? Thanks.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I've had this same problem (if I'm understanding you correctly). I've never
> > been able to run another kfm session subsequent to the first during the same
> > xwindow session. If I start KFM, then shut it down, I can't start it again
> > until I've exited X, and started it up again. Is this a known issue, or is
> > it just some mistake in the setup?
> >
> > Thnx,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
>
> Ok, this is a trend now. I have had the same problem. I'm running RH5.2 and
> installed KDE from the Caldera 1.3 disk. It worked fine under COL 1.3, but
> has this problem under RH. It seems to be tied to the fact that xinitrc is
> not returning the home dir of the user for $HOME. Instead, it returns HOME,
> which of course does not exist. Even if you create that dir so kfm will find
> it, you still can't start a new instance of kfm.
>
> I did stumble across a couple of items. Check out the file
> /home/<username>/.kde/share/config/kfmrc. It contains a line that says
> 'URLs=". It was blank after the = sign. I added /home/<username>/ and that
> seems to help it start up correctly. Doesn't solve the problem of starting a
> new kfm.
>
> Found another workaround for that. Go into the menu editor under Panel/Edit
> Menus or Utilities/Menu Editor (you need to be root to update anything).
> Edit the Home Directory menu item (right-click/Change) Look at the Execute
> field. It says 'kfmclient folder %u file:HOME' There's the culprit. Again,
> it goes back to the problem with getting the true user's home dir, but you
> can manually change that entry to your home dir. However, it will try to
> access that dir no matter who you are logged in as. Probably best to set it
> to your non-root home dir. I don't like it, but it does seem to work that
> way.
>
> If anyone knows why the $HOME problem, we would definitely appreciate any
> suggestions.
Off the top of my head, Caldera and Redhat are set up slightly
differently. YOu may want to install the redhat version of the RPMS.
They are at ftp.us.kde.org. Or, you can grab them from a Mandrake-Linux
site, since that is based on Redhat.
Jim
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Jim McCusker | Class of '99, BA Computer Science & Cognitive Science
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://cif.rochester.edu/~fprefect
~Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it,
poorly.~
~~Henry
Spencer
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.networking,linux.admin.isp
Subject: Re: hacked login (telnet)
Date: 16 Mar 1999 14:52:45 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> All hints are appreciated, and sufficient.
> Mostly I already have what I needed but
> for some reason now - telnet access
> to the gateway machine is *NOT* refusing
> r_oot_ login via the local network. (whereas
> previously it had) ???
are you saying that
1) gateway machine used to refuse direct root login from telnet.
2) someone hacked into your box.
3) you can now directly login as root via telnet.
did you reinstall the complete system between 2 and 3? you will need
to, since all manner of things may have been corrupted. a fresh
install is the only way to be sure everything is gone.
if you did reinstall, maybe it's a configuration. redhat, for
example, has PAM and that can be adjusted.
--
Johan Kullstam
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux Box Hardware
Date: 16 Mar 1999 12:37:26 PST
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In <7cck30$2s48$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew
Alsin) writes:
>On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:49:07 -0500, Igor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>If you don't already have a monitor, consider pulling resources out of other
>devices like(Sound Card, Video Card, Processor) and putting it into your
>monitor. You will be staring at it quite a lot, and the difference between
>15 and 17 is usually 60%. Get a 19 if possible, otherwise 17. Also,(usually)
>get one below .26dp. So .24/.25 is great, but if you have to get .26 or .27
>you can, but be very cautious. Don't get .28. Win32 biased reviewers usually
>will give you good advice here.
To this I would add that a very good 17" monitor can be had for
$250.00 (US). For an extra $100.00 you can get a trinitron monitor.
I have been using a trinitron based Seiko monitor for over 6 years.
If you have the $100, get trinitron.
>
>Oh, and avoid Winmodems.
ANd Avoid Win-printers, like the Lexmark's and HP722.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>Andrew Alsin
--
Just my $0.02 worth.
Hope this helps,
Gordon
PS:
To reply: replace 'X.bleeb' with 'greeder'.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Redhat linux and Iomega Zip 250 drive
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:56:21 GMT
Thanks to both Kyle and Lance.
I got the zip drive working finally, using kernel 2.2.3.
I was using the 250MB disk supplied by iomega. It was partitioned and
preformatted. So it was not a problem with the disk as Lance suggested.
I also had the scsi device files setup in /dev (/dev/sda*, /dev/sdb* etc).
So it could only be the driver problem.
I got linux kernel 2.2.3 from www.linuxhq.com and compiled it. It has
a more recent version of imm driver (0.2x) as opposed to the 0.18
I was using with kernel 2.0.36. I got the 0.18 version from
http://www.torque.net/~campbell
But I don't think you should get imm v0.18. Kernel 2.2.3 has in-built
support for imm 0.2. I mean, you can select imm support while configuring
the kernel.
It took me 3-4 kernel compiles to get everything right. For my micron
millennia pc with pentium II 450, I had to select the following:
general setup -> parallel port support (parport.o),
pc style hardware support (parport_pc.o)
scsi -> scsi support, scsi disk support
Elsewhere, it had an option for ppa or imm drivers. I selected imm.
The kernel probes the parallel port while booting. To do this and detect
the port type correctly, it needs parport.o and parport_pc.o precompiled
into the kernel. They should not be modules.
Then imm driver (also compiled into the kernel) detected the drive correctly.
The disk was assigned to sda and the partition check identified sda4
as expected for windows formatted zip disk.
Another tip, kernel 2.2.3 was too big to be make a zImage file even though
I selected minimal support. You can save a few minutes if you do
make bzImage instead of make zImage.
-subbarao
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Ega Video Card/Montior
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:58:19 GMT
Will it be work with just text based linux(no graphics, x-windows.....)I am
going to get an old 486 and can get these parts for cheap(mon,vid card)Its
slakware newest ver as well as the kernel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: HELP! CANNOT LOGIN ANYMORE!
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:13:08 GMT
I'm in worse shape, I hope someone can help. RH 5.2, kernel 2.2.3. Somehow
libc.so.6 got into my /lib directory and even after removing it and running
ldconfig, I can't boot. At the end of the boot sequence I get "unresloved
symbol _dl_initial_searchlist in libc.so.6" and the system halts. I can't
find a way around it. I can boot an emergency system but then ldconfig fails
because it can't write to /etc. Any help ?
Thanks
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ding-Jung Han wrote:
> > The first one I screwed is pam (or pwdb?)... Now everytime I boot into
> > Linux it failed loading pam-pwdb.so, complaining an unresolved symbol
> > (something about frame_infor?), and I'm locked out from my Linux box!
>
> I recently went through the same thing. I installed a newer version of
> pam and couldn't login to my system anymore. This is how I solved my
> problem, I hope it helps you :-)
>
> 1. I got all the rpm's together, that pam depends on, from the original
> distribution. These are:
> pam
> pwdb
> pamconfig
> glibc
> 2. I booted my system to single user mode. Since I use loadlin, all I
> had to do was put 'single' at the end of my normal command.
> 3. I reinstalled the original packages with:
> rpm -U --force packagenamehere
> 4. I rebooted the system as I normally would.
>
> That's all it took for me. Good luck.
>
> -b
>
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From: Sandra Capri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Star Office Very Slow - WP8 Broken
Date: 16 Mar 1999 10:24:18 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Iain A F Fleming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The entity calling itself Alistair Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > Corel WP8 does not run at all. All I get is the less-than-helpful
> > error message "Segmentation fault". No joke, that is the extent of the
> > error message. Not all that helpful!
I saw this on the corel page, maybe it will help:
http://linux.corel.com/support_faqs.htm
...
Q. I am running Redhat Linux and have installed Corel
WordPerfect 8 for Linux. However, when I run it, why do I get the
seg fault?
A. Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux uses the Linux library files called libc5.
As some distributions of Linux default to libc6, such as Redhat 5.2, you
need to find and install libc5. In Redhat versions, the package you need
to install on your system is called libc-5.3.12-27.i386.rpm.
...
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E-Mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(just remove the .NOSPAM to reply)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:06:34 GMT
Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Norman Stevens wrote:
>
>> Explorer doesn't provide the code that displays [snip]
>> memory (and into the swap file).
>
>Ditto previous reply - if you want to call NT's event handling
>mechanism or the MFC calls that implement Windows etc the GUI,
>fine. I call the GUI the Graphical User Interface - Explorer.
>We differ.
The point was that NT has to keep an awful lot of unnecessary
graphics code in memory even when no user is logged in at the
console. Whether you call it the GUI or not is irrelevant;
it is a waste of resources.
Norman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: windowmaker install problems
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:27:07 GMT
I downloaded windowmaker version 0.51.0 and libproplist-0.8.3. I installed
made and installed the libraries and tried to install the windowmaker rpm but
it failed saying that it needed a couple of library files, Libproplist.so.0
and libungif.so.4 .
I eventually found libungif on the net and downloaded it and installed it,
and I already had libproplist.so.0. Then I added the location of the library
files into the /etc/profile. But still I got the failed dependancies error.
So I installed the rpm as nodeps, thinking that because the library files
weren't rpms, the rpm program wouldn't recognise them. Windowmaker installed
but when I try to run it (from .xinitrc with wmaker) it bombs out with the
error message
wmaker:error loading shared libraries
libwraster.so.1:cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory.
Has anyone else experienced such problems? and if so could you help..Thanks
Keith
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Version of gcc?
From: Jason White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:50:01 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm having trouble compiling my kernel for the network card I want to
use (cCom 3c905b). I suspect part of the problem might be the version
of the gcc I'm using. I can't remember what version it is from when I
installed it. How can I find out and how can I upgrade it if need be?
Thanks,
Jason
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From: "Walter L. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,alt.os.linux
Subject: Kernel HOWTO accuracy?
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:20:10 -0700
Hi all
I thinking of trying out the new kernel.
(2.2.3)
How accurate is the current kernel
howto? The one I found on the Metalab
(sunsite) site is dated late May 1997.
Also has anyone run into problems
while trying to update?
Any input will be greatly appreciated
Walt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: balsa libPropList error
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:54:37 GMT
Did you remember to do a /sbin/ldconfig as root before you compiled
balsa after compiling libPropList?
Daniel Kupfer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm trying to compile balsa on my linux-box (2.0) and have compiled and
> installed libPropList.
> Still while configure-ing balsa it complains it can't find libPropList.
> Has someone encoutered this yet and found out what this is about?
> Thanks,
> Daniel Kupfer.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bengt Richter)
Subject: Re: Reinstalling applications? -- Cnt+Alt+Del -- Aliases -- Multimedia
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:05:47 GMT
On 16 Mar 1999 09:08:09 +0200, Kalle Olavi Niemitalo
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bengt Richter) writes:
>
>> Is there no standard approach to locking a display/keyboard from
>> unauthorized use, and using ctl-alt-del as a reserved way of
>> *guaranteeing* that the d/k is uniquely and securely reserved to
>> a trusted login session/process? Otherwise, how can one approach
>> a d/k and be sure that one is not typing into a trojan?
>
>There's the Secure Action Key which kills all processes using
^^^^^
>that virtual terminal -- except "init", which then notices the
>lack of processes and spawns a new login prompt.
>
That seems like overkill ;-) to me. Is there no way just to
displace the current user of the terminal temporarily -- e.g.,
to log in as high priority su and use a tool to check something
to see whether you want to let the previous session continue
or kill it? Or - as in VMS IIRC - optionally to save the state
of the entire session in a restartable checkpoint file (certain
restrictions applied)(actually, that was ctl-c within curr session
IIRC, but it might be nice for su to be able to do from separate
session too).
Are peripheral resources not in general dynamically
manageable as to their assignments/uses?
BTW, the issue of entire terminal vs a borrowed window area in
the current GUI screen is interesting. Should a pop-up dialog
space be managed as a distict virtual peripheral resource, and
if so at what level?
>Unfortunately, it seems some daemons (I can't remember which
>ones) don't properly detach themselves from the terminal, so
>pressing the SAK on tty1 will kill more processes than it should.
>
Why *kill* any?
Is this being worked on? Otherwise Linux will not be as good as
even NT in that regard :-(
>I believe the default keymap doesn't bind SAK to any key, so
>you'll have to use "loadkeys" to enable it. Another approach is
>to enable "Magic SysRq" in the kernel configuration; then you can
>get SAK by pressing Alt+SysRq and a letter (I think it was S).
I guess/hope *only* su can (re)bind SAK?
Regards,
Bengt Richter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows
Date: 16 Mar 1999 15:18:52 -0600
In article <7ckgm5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Frank Crary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Mikhail Kruk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>You can setup remote services on NT. Including fully Unix compatible
>>ones. Like rsh, rlogin, telnet...
>
>Ok, let me get this straight, since I'm not sure we are talking about
>the same thing. Are you saying that I can rlogin _to_ an NT machine,
>whether or not someone is on from console, start a job running in the
>background on the NT machine, log out, and come back in the morning
>expecting it to have finished by using otherwise idle CPU time over
>night? I know NT can let you use rlogin, etc. to connect to another
>machine, but that isn't what I was talking about. I was talking about
>many users being logged on to, or running processes on, the NT machine
>at the same time. From what little I know about the NT operating system,
>that would require fairly radical changes, ``some kind of unix compatibility
>package'' (as you put it.) For my purposes, if two or more people can't use
>the same machine at the same time, it is using an unacceptable poor operating
>system.
NT has all the underlying concepts for multi-user operation except for
distributing windows. Since most of the useful windows apps need
a window, in a practical sense you can't do multiuser access without
add on software (windows terminal server, etc.). But, you can
use telnet, rlogin, etc. if you can find something that you would
like to run that way.
Les Mikesell
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From: "Walter L. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Kernel HOWTO accuracy?
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:43:45 -0700
Dan Nguyen wrote:
>
>
> If you don't know how to install a kernel, the HOWTO will work.
> However recent information can be found in the Documentation directory
> of the kernel source tree.
>
> --
> Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts;
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it.
> http://www.cse.msu.edu/~nguyend7 | -La Rochefocauld, Maxims
I have recompiled my 2.0.31 on a couple occasions to add features. But never
a complete update.
Thanks for the reply
Walt
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From: Glenn Opdycke-Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.emacs
Subject: Re: binary Emacs 20.x for i386?
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:29:11 -0600
I am using Emacs from rh 5.2. I have not noticed any problems with it.
I did not notice Xemacs in rh 5.2. Is that in some versions of rh?
Where are rpms for Xemacs?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > turn to your redhat 5.2 cd-rom or favorite redhat mirror site and get
> > the emacs rpm.
>
> Lots of people have reported problems with the Emacs rpms from I think
> older versions of Redhat. Is Emacs in 5.2 okay? Is XEmacs in 5.2
> okay? Or should we continue to advise people to fetch fixed rpms from
> the Redhat site?
>
> kai
> --
> I like _b_o_t_h kinds of music.
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From: Benjamin HERZOG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: using ELM
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:08:32 +0100
I just want to know how to configure ELM.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: Netscape DNS
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:58:00 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Raymond Doetjes wrote:
>It seems like Netscape will check for the DNS servers on startup. If they
>are not reachable it will probably ignore them. I found out that you always
>need to connect first and then start Netscape to get out of that behaviour
You can just set it up such that it starts up with a blank home page; that
does the job. I've MOZILLA_NO_ASYNC_DNS set to true though.
Cheers,
Juergen
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From: "Erich Huemoeller" <huemoea@(remove-this.)swib.state.wi.us>
Subject: Re: Sybase ODBC driver for Windows
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:36:50 -0600
Look at the drivers from Merant (http://www.merant.com/), formerly
Intersolv. They've worked well for me.
Erich
Raymond Doetjes wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I have been looking for a ODBC driver for Windows for the Sybase ASE. I
>have Sybase running on my Linux box now and it is pretty good.
>Unfortunatly there are still Windows stations that need to get access to
>the data so ODBC is something I really need. Otherwise I can start
>running MySQL again instead of Sybase.
>
>Raymond
>
>--
>=====================================================================
>Windows is a 32 bit patch to a 16 bit GUI based on a 8 bit operating
>system, written for a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company which can
> not stand 1 bit of competition.
>=====================================================================
>
>
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From: "Dan O'Connor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:57:43 -0800
Frank Crary wrote:
>I was talking about
>many users being logged on to, or running processes on, the NT machine
>at the same time. From what little I know about the NT operating system,
>that would require fairly radical changes
No, NT won't let remote users run programs on the NT machine. Rather NT
provides client-server type services.
>if two or more people can't use
>the same machine at the same time, it is using an unacceptable poor
operating
>system.
Well, that's why they call them *personal* computers, multiuser-Unix aside.
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