Linux-Misc Digest #612, Volume #19 Fri, 26 Mar 99 15:13:14 EST
Contents:
Re: exchange client that runs on LInux (**Nick Brown)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? ("Dan Johnson")
Re: How to hang up a modem (Johan Kullstam)
I have gcc-lib 2.7.2.3, but compiler wants to include from 2.7.2.1
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux on Compaq ProLian 1850R - any luck? ("Lee Sharp")
Re: modules net-pf-??? ("Greg Boes")
Closing Dell Latitude Cover Crashes Linux (James Seymour)
Re: How much RAM is enough? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: exchange client that runs on LInux (Markus Wandel)
Re: How much RAM is enough? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Using make menuconfig ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: chown: bug or feature (Chris Hardin)
postgreSQL or MySQL for Webserver? (ewoods)
Re: Yet another pppd/modem problem..... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
2nd Hard Drive (Darren)
printing with netatalk problem ("Aaron Dershem")
Re: ?'s about mounting a hard drive (Stephen Richard FREELAND)
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From: **Nick Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: exchange client that runs on LInux
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:57:18 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You would need to write a program to use MAPI (Mail API). If someone
does this, they will make a lot of money - a lot of Linux users can live
without MS Word but need their Exchange E-mail.
Allen Ahoffman wrote:
> How do you get a LInux box to pick up its mail from an Exchange server,
> not a pop3 server thats easy. In NT networks Exchange servers require
> WINS authentication etc, how to make this work would be a real step
> forward.
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Nick Brown, Strasbourg, France (Nick(dot)Brown(at)coe(dot)fr)
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From: "Dan Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:52:40 -0800
You know, complaining isn't going to help all too much really, the main
thing you have to realize is that this is a 'FREE' operating system made up
by hundreds and thousands of programmers. Now, being the programming type,
it's always nice to come up with some sort of unique name for your program.
Take for example University of Washington's e-mail program for linux and
other unix systems called Pine (wow, that tells a lot *grin*) for all on
all, what I recommend to all of you is to do what I did when I got into
Unix and Linux machines, GET A BOOK AND READ IT! That should pretty much
solve your problems, and that is why my Main server and operating systems
that boot up are in fact the glorious Linux! *grin* Have a nice day and
peace to all.
-Dan- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://spyol.dynip.com/
Mark Andal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Brian Barjenbruch wrote:
> >
> > > Can you imagine how a non geeko type sees this monster. Instead of
the
> > > program
> > > files having friendly names like Word and PageMaker they have cryptic
acronyms
> > > like abcdp and kikme and xxtoo (kidding, just examples). Many of the
Program
> > > names barely describe the function of the program and would just as
likely be
> > > a
> > > derivative of the progammers dog's name. The mnemonics of linux are
> > > terrible and
> > > the global definitions of instruction syntax is terrible. The kernal
makes
> > > DOS
> > > look like a walk in the park and at every turn theres another demon
waiting to
> > > take your head. Sorry, not until the average joe can set up and
configure
> > > this
> > > package in a reasonable manner, in a reasonable amount of time, on 90%
of
> > > machines
> > > will Linux become the desk OS of choice. That is going to take a lot
more
> > > support
> > > from the hardware manufacturers to dev linux drivers at the same time
they write
> > > the windoze drivers.
> I'm assuming you don't want to start some flame war so first off
> since you're not asking for any help in particular I've set the
> follow-ups to one newsgroup.
>
> Theres a comman called alias with that you can make most commands closer
> to something you're used to.
>
> Also how is linux forced down your throat?
> As I recall you can go to ANY computer manufacturer and not have linux
> installed.
> The same could not be said of MS.
>
> Setting up packages in redhat is a matter of rpm -Uvh packagename.rpm
> how long did that take?
>
> Through KDE you click on the file and kpackage comes up?
>
> Does it take learning? Yes. Is it hard if you actually read it ?
>
> If you are looking for help in a particular situation what is the
> problem you can't seem to grasp?
>
> My $0.02
> Mark Andal
>
> >
> > Agreed.
> >
> > Look, I'm sorry if any Linux veterans who happen to be reading this,
> > are disappointed. And I have definitely tried my best, to understand
> > all that I can about Linux and how to use and configure it. I'm not
> > the clueless newbie that most people think. But even so, I find that I
> > have been very confused; answers that seem very obvious to most
> > veterans, are incomprehensible to me. I have tried, but I can't seem
> > to get my mind behind it. Is this so unusual? From what I have read,
> > Linux is near to the Second Coming of Christ, you'd think that it was
> > the best thing in operating systems since sliced frickin' bread. But
> > the simple fact is, it's just too damned HARD to figure out for the
> > average user. Is this so wrong? Is it so bad to consider the fact
> > that Linux just might not be for EVERYONE? Why the hell should I bust
> > my brains out trying to understand Linux, when I am perfectly happy
> > with the Mac OS, which does everything I need it to do? If I wasn't
> > constantly having the name 'Linux' forced down my throat, I would
> > probably have a lot less frustration. No one can force me to use
> > Linux. Why should they try?
> >
> > --
> > "Its origin and purpose...still a total mystery."
> > - Dr. Heywood Floyd, "2001: A Space Odyssey"
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to hang up a modem
Date: 26 Mar 1999 13:45:00 -0500
jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Sometimes, even though I have -detach in /etc/ppp/options, the modem
> does not hang up when I run ppp-off or when I kill pppd outright. This
> leaves it impossible do call out with the modem (or my phone since I
> have one of those relays that disconnects the phone if the modem is
> up). So, how do you hang a modem up when the software fails to do
> it?
i toggle the power on my modem. that will bring it back to a starting
state. also, try to set the modem to hang up with DTR goes away. i
forget the AT string but it's something like &D2 - check your manual.
> And why is pppd not hanging up my modem correctly anymore? Could it be
> something with my new ISP? Most of the time it does hang it up, but it
> takes as long as 5 minutes sometimes.
bizarre.
> Sometimes, even rebooting doesn't help any, the modem still stays off
> the hook. Quite irritating to say the least, I need to know how to
> force it to hang up.
turn the power off on the modem. you can't just reboot. how would
the modem even know you've rebooted?
--
johan kullstam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: I have gcc-lib 2.7.2.3, but compiler wants to include from 2.7.2.1
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:40:31 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have gcc-lib 2.7.2.3, but compiler wants to include from 2.7.2.1. What's wrong
? The complete path is
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/2.7.2.3/include
I guess there is a faulty link pointing to the not existing directory
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/2.7.2.1/include
Where do I find it ?
Sorry for asking silly questions again. I really tried to find it myself, no
luck.
Regards, Eggert
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Answers please in this newsgroup!
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From: "Lee Sharp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Linux on Compaq ProLian 1850R - any luck?
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:19:20 -0600
John Sinnott wrote in message <7csvlt$iap$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
|Has anyone managed to get Linux up and running on the ProLiant 1850R? I
|know it is possible, since Compaq is now shipping these boxes configured
|for Linux. The only problem I am having is getting the embedded 10/100
|UTP NIC that comes with the box working. Is there a compatible driver
|available, or do I need to just purchase another NIC for one of the PCI
|slots?
I believe the 1850R also ships with the TLAN <TI ThunderLAN> on the 850R.
A DejaNews search will show a multitude of posts soundly cursing that chip.
You need to do an "insmod tlan duplex=2" and run netconfig after install, if
you have that chip. Look in the box to be sure, as they changed in the
production run to an Intel Fats Ether Card at one point.
Lee
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not as a representative of any company, organization or other entity. I am
solely responsible for my words.
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From: "Greg Boes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,fr.comp.os.linux.configuration
Subject: Re: modules net-pf-???
Date: 26 Mar 1999 18:40:39 GMT
You can find oodles of messages at www.dejanews.com . Most of the advice
boils down to:
edit /etc/modules.conf (or /etc/conf.modules -- don't start that thread here
please)
add the two lines:
alias net-pf-4 off
alias net-pf-5 off
later
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Seymour)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Closing Dell Latitude Cover Crashes Linux
Date: 26 Mar 1999 17:54:03 GMT
I'm just installing RH5.1 Linux (w/kernel 2.0.36) on a Dell Latitude
XPiCD (166MHz). If Linux is running and I close, then re-open the
lid, things crash. For example: if snmpd is running, it will crash.
If snmpd isn't running and I try to do a "shutdown -r now", init
crashes. In both cases, the first diagnostic lines says "divide error:
0000".
Anybody know what's going on here? And mebbe how I can fix it?
Thanks,
Jim
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Systems & Network Administrator | Farmington Hills, MI. 48335-1563
| FAX: (248)615-2971
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How much RAM is enough?
Date: 26 Mar 1999 16:53:12 GMT
In his obvious haste, Matt Eckhaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled thusly:
: So I'm soliciting opinions - is 64Mb of RAM enough for Linux these days?
: I'd like to be using this computer for at least the next two years.
I'd say more than enough...
I've had WP8 and GIMP running on my 486 at the same time, and I only have
8Meg...
(OK, so it was slow, and swapping a lot, but it works).
64 should be more than enough for a personal computer.
If your using it as a multiuser setup then more might be required...
(Or when the big games companies start writing things for it, requirements
might go up.... Doubt it'll go up too much though...)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Markus Wandel)
Subject: Re: exchange client that runs on LInux
Date: 26 Mar 1999 19:19:02 GMT
In article <7dgh42$12t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Allen Ahoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>How do you get a LInux box to pick up its mail from an Exchange server,
>not a pop3 server thats easy. In NT networks Exchange servers require
>WINS authentication etc, how to make this work would be a real step
>forward.
Hmmm...
[60]% telnet ________ pop3
Trying ___.___.___.___ ...
Connected to ________.
Escape character is '^]'.
+OK Microsoft Exchange POP3 server version 5.0.1461.55 ready
I don't know what was done or how, but it is possible.
Markus
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How much RAM is enough?
Date: 26 Mar 1999 17:01:59 GMT
In his obvious haste, Jim Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled thusly:
: Is 64 MB enough? Save for the Star Office problem, it's been adequate
: for my needs for the past 2 years.
Star Office is a strange beast...
I've had it running successfully, (although slowly) on my 486 with 8Meg of
RAM and 64Meg swap....
It seems like, no matter what you have, it's slow and crap.
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|GCv3.12 GCS>$ d-(dpu) s+/- a C++ US++ P L/L+ E-- W+ N++ o+ K PS+ w-- M+/++ |
|PS+++ PE- Y t+ 5++ X+/X++ R+ tv+ b+ DI+ D+ G e>e++ h/h+ !r!| Space for hire |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Using make menuconfig
Date: 26 Mar 1999 16:32:42 GMT
In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.misc didst Christian D Freet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
eloquently scribe:
: I have read about reconfiguring the kernel, and I wish to do so. BUT, I can't
:figure out how
: to use the "make xconfig" or "make menuconfig" commands... when used, I get a
:message saying
: "no rule defined [etc.]"
: What can I do? What have I done wrong?
You need to be in the same directory as the makefile.
Try this...
cd /usr/src/linux
make menuconfig
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| Computer Science | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
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|GCv3.12 GCS>$ d-(dpu) s+/- a C++ US++ P L/L+ E-- W+ N++ o+ K PS+ w-- M+/++ |
|PS+++ PE- Y t+ 5++ X+/X++ R+ tv+ b+ DI+ D+ G e>e++ h/h+ !r!| Space for hire |
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From: Chris Hardin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,linux.dev.newbie
Subject: Re: chown: bug or feature
Date: 26 Mar 1999 19:38:12 GMT
In linux.dev.newbie Steve Peltz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <7c8u6e$44f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Chris Hardin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>program, turning on the SUID bit (with "chmod +s"), then changing
>>ownership of that program to root. If you have too much time on your
> Linux turns off the SUID (and SGID) bits if you change the owner (or
> group); it also turns them off if the file is modified by anything other
> than the owner (or root).
Interesting--I tried this myself, and I got varying results. On
machines running 2.0.x kernels, I got the behavior you mentioned, but
on a 2.2.2 machine, I could chown without losing the SUID and SGID
bits. (The machine was a Debian 2.1 machine that had a new kernel
dropped in.) Perhaps I need a special version of chown for 2.2
kernels? (I tried the same chown binary on a 2.0.36 machine, and in
that case chown did strip the bits.) Anyhow, I still think it's risky
to give users sudo access to chown, unless you would trust them with
root access anyway.
A transcript for the wisely skeptical:
[icicle:/tmp]185 % chown --version
chown (GNU fileutils) 3.16
[icicle:/tmp]186 % uname -a
Linux icicle 2.2.2 #2 Wed Feb 24 10:28:26 EST 1999 i686 unknown
[icicle:/tmp]187 % whoami
chardin
[icicle:/tmp]188 % cp /bin/mkdir .
[icicle:/tmp]189 % chmod +s mkdir
[icicle:/tmp]190 % ls -l
total 15
drwxrwxrwt 5 root root 1024 Mar 26 14:19 ./
drwxr-xr-x 30 root root 1024 Mar 26 13:37 ../
-r--r--r-- 1 root root 11 Mar 25 13:59 .X0-lock
drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 1024 Mar 25 13:59 .X11-unix/
drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 1024 Mar 25 13:59 .font-unix/
drwx------ 2 bin bin 1024 Mar 26 14:00 amanda/
-rwsr-sr-x 1 chardin users 8300 Mar 26 14:19 mkdir*
[icicle:/tmp]191 % su
Password:
icicle:/tmp# chown root:root mkdir
icicle:/tmp# exit
exit
[icicle:/tmp]192 % ls -l
total 15
drwxrwxrwt 5 root root 1024 Mar 26 14:19 ./
drwxr-xr-x 30 root root 1024 Mar 26 13:37 ../
-r--r--r-- 1 root root 11 Mar 25 13:59 .X0-lock
drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 1024 Mar 25 13:59 .X11-unix/
drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 1024 Mar 25 13:59 .font-unix/
drwx------ 2 bin bin 1024 Mar 26 14:00 amanda/
-rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 8300 Mar 26 14:19 mkdir*
[icicle:/tmp]193 % mkdir /shouldnt_be_able_to_create_this
[icicle:/tmp]194 % cd /shouldnt_be_able_to_create_this/
[icicle:/shouldnt_be_able_to_create_this]195 %
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From: ewoods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: postgreSQL or MySQL for Webserver?
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:41:30 GMT
postgreSQL or MySQL for Webserver? The subject says it all...
Opinions wanted please...
Thanks
e
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Yet another pppd/modem problem.....
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:38:16 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Karl Soar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> System Spec
> -----------------
> 8mb RAM, Quantum Pioneer 2.1GB IDE HDD,
> Adaptec 1542B on IRQ11 (base: 330),
> 'Old Faithful' Micropolis 135MB(!) SCSI HDD,
> Miro 10SD w/GENDAC (VLB),
> Mirosoft compatible serial mouse on COM1 (x03f8, IRQ4),
> USR Sportster 14.4 external modem on COM2 (x02f8, IRQ 3),
> SMC/WD8013 ethernet card (base 280, IRQ 5) (kernel module:eth0),
> Aztech Sound Galaxy NX Pro 16 (s/b compatible) (base: 220, IRQ7)
>
this is usually a hardware conflict issue. do this: 'setserial -a /dev/modem'
see if it reports the same settings as you have listed above.
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From: Darren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 2nd Hard Drive
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:19:12 -0600
I have two hard drives in my system. When I mount the 2nd hard drive I
can only write to the drive if I am logged on as root. If I log on as
another user, I can read from the drive but I cannot write anything to
it. I have tried many different ways of mounting it and tried changing
options in the fstab file. Any suggestions.
I have figured out that the problem is that when I mount the
drive, only the owner has read-write acces on it. I can set the
permissions on the mount point before I mount it so that the owner/group
have
read-write access but after it is mounted it is changed so that only the
owner has
read write permission. If I set the permissions after it is mounted,
nothing happens - the permissions aren't changed. Here is what I am
doing:
If I mount the device manually I use the following command:
mount -t vfat /dev/hdc1 /mnt/docs
But I prefer to have it mounted automatically when I boot.
I have this in the /etc/fstab file:
/dev/hdc1 /mnt/docs vfat user 0 0
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From: "Aaron Dershem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: printing with netatalk problem
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:41:32 -0600
I set up netatalk just fine (with a ton of help from another source :-) and
I can share files. But I can't PRINT! Can anyone help me out here? I
downloaded the drivers from epson and loaded them on the Mac. Then I go to
the Chooser on the Mac. The icon for the SC 600 is on the left side, but
when I select it, nothing appears on the right side (I guess there's
supposed to be a name). Is this a problem with the Mac or the Linux server?
If it's the Linux server, do I need to modify the papd.conf, the
AppleVolumes.default, or the AppleVolumes.system files? papd is running.
BTW, I'm running RedHat 5.2 and the latest netatalk from the contrib
directory from RH ftp.
I have Samba running and can print from Windows and I can print directly
from the server, so I know its not the printer...
Thanks,
Aaron Dershem.
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From: Stephen Richard FREELAND <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ?'s about mounting a hard drive
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:44:46 GMT
lisa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Today's Questions are:
: I have two hard drives in my machine. both are 6G. When I set up RH 5.2,
: using Disk Driud, I specified that I wanted hdc1 (the second hd) as /backup.
: At some point in this learning process (I'm being nice here) I edited my
: /etc/fstab file to remove the mounting of hdc1. What I want to do is, at a
: certain point in the week, schedule cron to mount hdc1, backup my important
: files to this harddrive, and umount.
Okay. Easiest thing to do is keep the line in your /etc/fstab, but
mark it "noauto" in the options (just like a CDROM or floppies).
: 1.How can I be sure that the second hard drive REALLY is hdc1?
You can tell by the BIOS report on bootup. "Primary master" = hda,
"Primary Slave" = hdb, "Secondary Master" = hdc, "Secondary Slave" = hdd.
: 2.I have a /backup listed (in root) as a directory. Is this my hdc1?
: Even if it's not mounted?
Mount point directories really are no different from any other
directory. You could mount your drive on /foo/bar/baz, if it existed. When
And when nothing's not mounted, it's just another directory.
You can't access the filesystem *at all* if it's not mounted.
So you could still put stuff in /backup, but it wnon't go onto the other
drive.
: 3.Since I am not automatically mounting the drive when I start up, what
: command would I use to mount it? I have tried mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt/backup
: and the hard drive makes it's noises, but how do i tell if I have actually
: mounted it? Where will it show up?
Why /mnt/backup? Did you mean just /backup?
If you left the line in /etc/fstab (see above), you could just say
mount /backup, since the mount command looks in there for extra info if
needed.
And you can get a list of mounted filesystems by just running the
df command.
: Thanks in advance, and hope I'm not wearing out my welcome!
Absolutely not. There are no stupid questions.
Well, okay, yes there are. But yours wasn't one of them. :^>
Ciao... . SNF .
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