Linux-Misc Digest #612, Volume #18 Thu, 14 Jan 99 08:13:16 EST
Contents:
Re: Reporting security problems in Linux (Gary Momarison)
Re: Web-board (KaSI)
Re: lilo problem (KaSI)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Alexander Viro)
Re: Redhat 5.2 vs. 5.1 (THOMAS J. STIEHM)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Bill)
Re: What happened to blackdown.org (Java-Linux porting project?) (Bill Unruh)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (winsor)
Re: Where is the PATH (Dave Brown)
Re: Problems with Hylafax (Bill Unruh)
Re: HELP: Setting up a DIAL-IN PPP SERVER on my Linux box?? (winsor)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (David Kastrup)
Re: Keyboard leds and status in X (Rob Mahurin)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (John Thompson)
Re: Lynx: changing 'Return-Path'
Re: Games
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (David Steuber)
The Run Levels ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Stable Word Processor (Philip Charles)
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Reporting security problems in Linux
Date: 13 Jan 1999 16:34:08 -0800
Brian McCauley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have found a what I believe to be secuity hole in SuSE 5.3 Linux.
[...]
>
> Where do I report it in such a way that there's a good chance that the
> "good guys" will become aware of it at lesat as soon as the "bad
> guys"?
There are several such places listed in Gary's Encyclopedia at
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/security.html
They're not grouped nicely and labeled for your need. I'm putting
that on my TBD list.
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From: KaSI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Web-board
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:51:49 +0100
Have a look at www.cyberarmy.com/wwwboard
KaSI
Gilligsberger Bruno wrote:
> I want to set up a web-board (web-bulletin) . Who knows software?
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From: KaSI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: lilo problem
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:56:07 +0100
Hi Chris,
well, I had the problem with "LI..." some time ago. If I remember
correctly I fixed it manipulating the "linear boot" (or so) option for
lilo.
You can install and reinstall Lilo as often as you wish (or must)!
Keep in mind that the starting partition for LILO (and for the kernel!
)must be in the first 1024 cyl.!
I hope I could help you,
KaSI
Chris wrote:
> I have just upgraded my system with a 1.5 gig HD ... I cloned my old
> RedHat 810meg hard drive to this drive using a popular program called
> Ghost. However when I tried to boot off this drive lilo stopped at
> "LI". I think it may have something to do with the extra free space
> on the drive (I cloned the disks so it kept the smaller partition
> intact and left the rest as free space.) Is this why Lilo didn't
> work? Is it possible to reinstall Lilo so it can update the boot
> sectors or whatever is causing it to stall on boot? Thanks for any
> help on this subject...
>
> Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 13 Jan 1999 20:44:47 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Somebody (I don't know who) added some Unix like stuff
>to CP/M (the tree directory structure, for example), but
>basically PCDOS 1.0 was a ripoff of CP/M, in addition to
UNIX-like stuff wasn't there till 2.0. As for ripoffs... Heh.
Don't forget that CP/M is a ripoff itself. Not that I missed RSX-11 that
much <shrug>... IMO CP/M was a moby mistake - library good for writing
hardware testing stuff fast *bloody* *doesn't* *make* *a* *kernel*.
UNIX bits most likely went from Xenix. They *had* The Source.
>doing stupid things like using the Intel reserved
>interrupts for DOS ints instead. I believe PCDOS 1.0
Hmm... DOS is OK wrt reserved interrupts. BIOS clashes with them.
Intel reserves the range 0-0x1f and DOS stuff starts from 0x20. BTW, I'm
not sure that 8086 had the same range of reserved interrupts.
[snip]
>CP/M for those who don't remember was an OS designed
^^ if it's an OS...
>for 8080/Z80 based 8 bit systems, and I think was the
>first OS seperated into a BIOS and BDOS (Basic Disk OS)
>to make it possible to run on a variety of hardware.
Huh??? WTF new was in idea of relatively portable library in '74?
Especially when said library is so thin...
Sorry, it lacks a memory manager, it lacks processes, it leaves all
work with whatever comes for filesystem (for extremely low values of
filesystem) to applications... What remains? Right, drivers. Gee, mom,
we can rewrite a single-threaded driver... Sorry, but *that* kind of
"portability" was there quite a few years before. If you mean that the
pieces of that were written in PL/M... BFD. UNIX was mostly on C, so what?
Grab somewhere a description of B5500. And watch the date. BTW, Forth was
around in '74. And it fits your description nicely.
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (THOMAS J. STIEHM)
Subject: Re: Redhat 5.2 vs. 5.1
Date: 14 Jan 1999 01:38:03 GMT
The Cheapbytes CD does not contain the full Commercial RedHat release
but it does contain a complete OS. The commercial redhat has stuff
like a commercial X server, commercial tape back up tool and other
stuff that isn't freeware.
Tom
Gilles Chiasson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: About this CheapBytes RedHat 5.2. Does the CheapByte CDRom contain
: everything that is on the RedHat 5.2 official CDRom?
: I purchased 5.1 just a couple of days before 5.2 came out. I am not
: interested in paying full price again for 5.2 if I can prevent it.
: What I would like to do is remove 5.1 completely and install 5.2 from
: scratch.
: On Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:44:45 -0600, Codifex Maximus
: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >Wallace Shawn wrote:
: >
: >> Greetings!
: >>
: >> My office recently acquired 5.1, which I have setup to run an FTP
: >> server.
: >>
: >> I plan to upgrade (from 4.2) our fileserver/news server. Is there any
: >> real advantage to getting 5.2?
: >>
: >> Thanks much!
: >
: >RH5.2 is pretty nice and updated. There is no reason that I can think of
: >NOT to get 5.2. Getting it from CheapBytes also makes the purchase
: >inexpensive (you don't get RedHat's prepaid support though...). The
: >upgrade from 5.1 to 5.2 worked flawlessly for me.
: >
: >RH5.1 has an issue with Glint, the GUI package management tool, that can
: >be easily fixed by downloading the new file from RedHat's errata page.
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From: Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:10:31 -0500
These folks have every right to use a computer as an appliance if they
want to, the same way you or I might use a car or toaster or vcr without
thinking about or having to deal with its inner workings. I know people
still using Win3.1 and aol, one an english honors student and another
who owns and manages two businesses, because that works for them and
they dont have the interest/aptittude to change to linux. I use linux
everyday and think its a far superior operating system (arent the
2.2.0prex kernels nifty). The kind of OS snobbery present in this
thread/attitude seems to me to be an obstacle in the widespread adoption
of linux that thank goodness the developers of gnome/kde dont seem to
share.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> It is sad and true that MS Windows it the operating system of most people...
> Let us put it this way... It is the operating system of the non elite
> computer users, AKA Dumb Users... They want nothing but a nice, hassle free
> way of computing, not caring that all their devices are on the same level and
> left to duke it out, or that they can't setup the GUI differently... You
> know, its dumb users who inspire shit like Windows, but as long they exist,
> which will be forever, Windows will exist...
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.help
Subject: Re: What happened to blackdown.org (Java-Linux porting project?)
Date: 14 Jan 1999 01:47:48 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Stefan Zeiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ulrich Teichert) wrote:
>Nobody said that the domain was no longer registered or that the
>server didn't answer, but the old *content* is gone.
Just tried it and there is content there, the blackdown.org page has a
bunch of links on it, those links seem to work,...
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From: winsor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 05:27:09 -0600
Michael Powe wrote:
>
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> >>>>> "Mike" == mjb007 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Mike> because thanks to MS, 90% of computer users are people who
> Mike> should never have been allowed to buy them in the first
> Mike> place. Thanks to Bill Gates' Business Saavvy(SP?), he will
> Mike> always have a market with them by playing 'hey, we're normal
> Mike> people doing this' and feelgood commercials set to Rolling
> Mike> Stones music.
>
> That reminds me of one of my cow-orkers, who told a client flat-out
> "You shouldn't have bought a computer!" after the client complained "I
> shouldn't have bought a computer from you guys" because the tech would
> not do tutorial stuff with the client over the phone. We were
> crackin' up!
>
> mp
>
> 8<---------------how-easy-is-it-to-demunge-an-address?------------------->8
> #! /usr/bin/perl # if you are [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Another Luser):
> while ($line = <>){ if ($line =~ m/^\s*$/ ){ last; }
> if ($line =~ m/^From: (\S+) \(([^()]*)\)/){ $from_address = $1; } }
> if ($from_address =~ m/\S+NOSPAM\S+/){ $x = index($from_address, NOSPAM);
> substr($from_address, $x, 6+1) = ""; printf("The real address is %s\n",
> $from_address);}else { printf("No munge, just plain %s\n",$from_address);}
> printf("\nBrought to you by the Truth In Mail Headers Foundation\n");
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> Portland, Oregon USA
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hehehehe
All this grumbling...........would 75% of we "Linux users" use Linux if
it weren't for finding this "free UN*X clone operating system" while
surfing under an M$ operating system???
I'd think not 8^P
To find something "better" we first have to find something that's not as
"good"........
For many users M$ produces a product that suits them well.
and as I've stated before I would NOT give linux to anyone who doesn't
UNDERSTAND the M$ operating system,(configuration and such) or is
willing to spend hours reading.
nuff said???
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Subject: Re: Where is the PATH
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 14 Jan 99 01:52:15 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>>his I know... but one thing I'm still wondering about: Where's the path
>>to my /sbin and /usr/sbin directories...?
>>
>>They are not in the global .profile or in $HOME/.profile. I saw some entries
>>in /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit and tried to add /usr/local/sbin - but that had no
>>effect. Was this the right place to look?
>
>Are you running bash as your shell?
>Try looking in .bashrc and .bash_profile
My memory may be faulty, but I believe there's a file in /etc
called something like login.conf which contains path statements
for root and for "ordinary" users. What shows up in /etc/profile
is applied to both.
--
Dave Brown Austin, TX
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: Problems with Hylafax
Date: 14 Jan 1999 01:55:34 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Nathan Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>faxstat currently reports: Waiting for modem to come ready. The modem
>is configured as a class 1 on /dev/modem which links to /dev/cua1
Make sure that you are properly configured in <fax>/etc/config.modem (
or wherever hylafax tinks your modem it if not /dev/modem)
Set up the debugging sufficiently high
(eg both ServerTracing and SessionTracing to say 1023)
and then look in the log files as stated in config.modem
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From: winsor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,alt.linux
Subject: Re: HELP: Setting up a DIAL-IN PPP SERVER on my Linux box??
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 05:47:52 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I know others have probably asked, but I'm not sure so I'll
> ask.....Does anyone know how to set up a Dial-In PPP Server on a Linux
> Machine so i can dial into it from afar and get tcp/ip routing to work
> with it??? Sort of like having a single user ISP going on, ya know? If
> anyone can help, thanks in advance, if not......ask someone who might
> know AND thanks in advance...or something
>
I used ps_getty(uugetty) and read the PPP How-to.
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From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.conspiracy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.x,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: 14 Jan 1999 13:01:36 +0100
"Russ Buchanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 1. Windows is arguably a 'USER' platform -- even if you believe it is a
> cheap rip off of MAC. Why is the MAC so loved -- assume that users know
> nothing of computers -- everyone starts there. In Windows, stupid things
> like dancing paperclips make the computer seem a little more friendly --
> nothing more. When dealing with luddites this can be everything.
Most people I have encountered find the dancing paperclip annoying
because it pops up unasked for and blocks the whole computer until you
have clicked it away again. If anybody had a brain when designing the
thing he would make sure that it does not block the rest of the work
so that people may just ignore it.
Also, Windows is designed as a *single* user platform. On a
multi-tasking platform, wasting CPU cycles (and, BTW, Laptop
batteries) for something entirely unnecessary and silly is considered
rude.
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Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: +49-234-709-4209
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From: Rob Mahurin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Keyboard leds and status in X
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:50:08 +0000
Reply-To: robmATmad.scientist.com
AWing10651 wrote:
>
> I am a newbie, but you might be able to change these settings in the system
> BIOS.
>
> good luck!
>
> -Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
No such luck; they get turned off again as the kernel boots. I have an
slightly uglier problem: I can't even get xset to work:
19:47 $ for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32; do xset led $i; done
19:47 $ for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32; do xset -led $i; done
do nothing, whether the leds are initially on or off. any suggestions?
Rob
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When that-which-may-still-be-alive is put on top of rice and
strapped on with electrical tape.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Thompson)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 03:02:58 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Morris) writes:
>> DOS was written by somebody else
>>and Gates paid a measly $75k for it.
>
>
>I'm following this thread with interest.
>
>I'm curious..... what was the "idea" with
>developing DOS anyway??
>
>I mean...... why couldn't have an operating system
>like Linux be developed a LONG time ago and used
>on the early PC's and DOS could have never
>existed??
>
>Was DOS the only way to get an OS on such machines
>back then??
No. For a while you could get CP/M-86, DR-DOS, Concurrent CP/M,
PC-MOS, Xenix and probably other operating systems for 80x86
machines. But Microsoft cut a deal with IBM that ensured that
MS-DOS (and IBM's relabeled version PC-DOS) would be the gold
standard for 80x86 machines. Microsoft wouldn't be what they
are today without that original deal with IBM. They'd still be
producing CP/M add-on boards for the Apple // and BASIC
interpreters for other companies' operating systems.
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Lynx: changing 'Return-Path'
Date: 14 Jan 1999 02:21:39 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 09 Jan 1999 03:51:24 GMT, Robert Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>When using mailto: with lynx 2.8 I sometimes (10-20% of the time?) get
>bounced mail. The message is "From: <mylogin>@localhost.localdomain,
>Domain name does not resolve".
localhost.localdomain is the default Red Hat hostname.
>I think this problem arises from the Return-Path that lynx uses. How can I
>change it to my email address? I have rummaged through lynx.cfg but could
>not find anything that did the trick.
Press 'o' for options, then 'p' for personal mail address.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Games
Date: 14 Jan 1999 02:21:23 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 00:09:40 -0500, David Tomayko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>What games are out there for Linux?
Some of my favorites:
Ancient Domain Of Mystery (http://www.adom.de/): ADOM is a very addictive
rogue-like game. You can save or enslave the world, your choice. There
are many races and classes. The game is timed, though, which is kind of
annoying. ADOM is a curses-based game.
NetHack (http://www.win.tue.nl/games/roguelike/nethack/): NetHack is
another rogue-like game. NetHack isn't as serious as ADOM, with such
classes as Tourists, complete with Hawaiian t-shirts and expensive
cameras. NetHack is very detailed. The source code is also available.
NetHack has a curses and an X version.
There's a few other rogue-like games out there for Linux, but I never
really got into them. Also, there's id's DOOM and Quake, both of which
have SVGALib and X versions. KDE comes with a set of pretty cool games,
too. I like the KDE Mahjongg.
You might want to get a MUD client and try a few MUDs, too. Most people
use TinyFugue or tintin++.
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 13 Jan 1999 23:44:34 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
-> Bill Gates is indeed a genius. Bill Gates is THE Man, if I could be like
-> anybody when I 'grow up', it would be Bill.
->
-> Bill Gates is the Ultimate Businessman. Period, you cannot argue that
-> point(well, maybe you can point out some other businessmen who were better.)
I recall a feller by the name of Rockafeller. <eg>
A businssman of the 19th century who started this little company
called Standard Oil. I never went drilling for the oil himself. He
just refined it. He refined all of it. Every driller had to go
through Standard Oil and sell at what ever price Standard Oil felt
like paying.
Railroads that transported the refined oil, kerosine then gasoline,
had to pay rebates if they carried somebody elses oil. If they didn't
pay these 'drawbacks', then they would be sanctioned for a while until
they gave in.
Standard Oil was a lot like Microsoft is today. If you wanted to
light your house, you bought your kerosine from them. If you were a
driller, you sold your crude to them. When Edison's light bulb
started to take over lighting, cars were just becoming popular. So
old J.D. continued to rule America.
Now the differnence between J.D. and Billy G. is that men in suits did
not come to him with a golden contract. He did it all on his own.
And yet the Shermin Anti-Trust act was brought down apon him. The
first time ever this law was tested. Now instead of Standard Oil, we
have Exxon, Amaco, Texeco, and one or two others that I don't recall.
Rockerfeller still owned them all.
Billy G. doesn't sleep well at night. He dreads the day that some
dynamic young start up company might just pull the rug out from under
Microsoft's feet. He thought Netscape might be that company, so he
cut off their largest source of revenue, making it impossible to ever
sell a browser again. He thought Java might possibly do the job, so
he assimilated it into the Microsoft collective. But now there is a
new threat.
A little operating system called Linux is getting a lot of press.
Even though it requires literacy to install it, some millions of
people have tried it out. Many of them decided not to go back. What
can Billy G. do? Linux isn't a company that can have its revenue cut
off. It isn't a language that can be embraced and extended. It is a
pile of boulders blocking the road to the server market. Some of
those rocks are rolling down to the desktop market.
All it takes to get Linux into the mainstream is for one major OEM,
Compaq, HP, Dell, or Gateway, to take a few hundred million dollars
out of their Microsoft budget and allocate it to making the killer
Linux distribution. "Here's Linux! Order your new PC with Linux
installed instead of Windows and save $200!"
Linux: Pre-installed and preconfigured for your PC.
Pay some game developers to port to Linux. Load Word Perfect 8. Put
on StarOffice 5.0 or AplixWare.
Bill Gates sits bolt upright, cold sweat dribbling down his face.
Someone has defected, and there is nothing he can do about it.
--
David Steuber
http://www.david-steuber.com
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for their own ends. These people, they're, they're terrorists."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: The Run Levels
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:48:55 GMT
so what are these run levels in linux? where can i find any info on it?
Thanks,
Izraelita
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Charles)
Subject: Re: Stable Word Processor
Date: 14 Jan 1999 02:34:31 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:57:01 -0500, Jesse Pavel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hello,
> I'm planning to change a cluster of Pentium 100MHz/32MB RAM machines in
>my workplace from Windows95 to Linux, but need a stable GUI Word
>Processor for the users who will be migrated. The choices of which I'm
>aware at the moment are Applixware 4.4.1, StarOffice 5.0, and
>WordPerfect 8. The most important thing to me is stability and
**cut
I am running WP8 with 16 mb RAM is that is any help.
Phil
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