Linux-Misc Digest #615, Volume #19 Fri, 26 Mar 99 21:13:12 EST
Contents:
Re: How much RAM is enough? (David Frye)
Re: COPY & PASTE don't work in X (Allen Ashley)
Re: 'Doze 98 vs. UNIX multitasking (Jesus Monroy, Jr.)
603: How to make an .mp3 from an .wav? (Miernik)
Re: sendming mail with sendmail & fetchmail (Frank Hahn)
Re: HELP! Need data from BAD Floopy! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
CD-R Backup under Linux (Nick Hall)
Re: 'Doze 98 vs. UNIX multitasking (Matt Dillon)
USENIX Annual Conference, June 6-11, Monterey CA (Jennifer Radtke)
Re: Database library for C++ Linux (gcc) ("No Spam")
multimodem cards ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Linux Workstations in an NT domain -- how to do it? ("jdn")
Re: 2nd Hard Drive (NF Stevens)
WinTV BT878 and ATI Mach 64 video - can it be done? (Brad Corsello)
emacs setup ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Deleting files accross directories (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? (Todd Knarr)
X windows opening with tops cut off--Fix? (Bill Unruh)
Re: Linux Zealots ? Was Which Voodoo for a P200? ("Robbt Erisbright")
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From: David Frye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How much RAM is enough?
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:52:10 GMT
What about memory on a video card? At work with a Matrox AGP card and 8
meg of video RAM StarOffice does not have the problem of refreshing the
characters on the screen. But, at home, with only a 2 meg Diamond video
card, StarOffice refresh is so bad that it is basically unusable.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In his obvious haste, Matt Eckhaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled thusly:
> : So I'm soliciting opinions - is 64Mb of RAM enough for Linux these days?
> : I'd like to be using this computer for at least the next two years.
>
> I'd say more than enough...
> I've had WP8 and GIMP running on my 486 at the same time, and I only have
> 8Meg...
>
> (OK, so it was slow, and swapping a lot, but it works).
>
> 64 should be more than enough for a personal computer.
> If your using it as a multiuser setup then more might be required...
> (Or when the big games companies start writing things for it, requirements
> might go up.... Doubt it'll go up too much though...)
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> |[EMAIL PROTECTED]| Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a |
> | | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit |
> | Andrew Halliwell | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit |
> | Finalist in:- |microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that|
> | Computer Science | can't stand 1 bit of competition. |
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> |GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
> |5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Allen Ashley)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: COPY & PASTE don't work in X
Date: 26 Mar 1999 23:32:22 GMT
>LEONARD Daniel wrote:
>> I have a 3-button Logitech mouse (no fancy ergonmic things), that works
>> also well with w95 (and DOS) and plugs itself in COM1. Got itfor about
>> $15
I got my Logictech mouse to work with gpm under X by emulating 3 buttons,
and using the two outer buttons to paste. Either the 3 button emulation
or Chordmiddle options under XF86Setup fixed my problem.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jesus Monroy, Jr.)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: 'Doze 98 vs. UNIX multitasking
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 21:19:40 GMT
On Fri, 26 Mar 1999 04:20:28 +0000, Donn Miller
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>18.2/sec x 10 sec = 182 processes.
>
>But UNIX will have to oversee the execution of
>
>100/sec x 10 sec = 1,000 process.
>
>Hence, Win98 uses less exe time, but multi-tasking is less smooth.
>
>One last thing: is the timeslice interval in these "multi-tasking" OSes
>taken from the clock ticks of some timer, like the 8254 timer, or do
>some use a simple delay loop? Is there both an i8259 and an i8254
>timer? Also, does the resolution of 55 msec sound right for the 8259?
>Anyone here use NT, and how does the performance compare to 98, UNIX,
>etc.? Someone told me that NT5.0 was extremely bloated compared to
>95/98 (it was Fewtch).
>
Note concerning your statement/question on
time/slicing; while this is a parameter on the performance of
a machine other factors come into account when doing
"multi-tasking". Lately, a Debian-head want to convince me
that thread was better because it was a "lite" method to fork.
Not TRUE! By the case, your supposition that WinXX is either
faster or better has no relevance; or given any evidence that
Windoze might be faster or better on one particluar task, is again
part of farce.
Why?
Queueing. A good book about it is 200+ pages. Read one
and please don't mind fart again.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Miernik)
Subject: 603: How to make an .mp3 from an .wav?
Date: 26 Mar 1999 23:36:58 GMT
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Hahn)
Subject: Re: sendming mail with sendmail & fetchmail
Date: 26 Mar 1999 23:44:48 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:49:37 +0800, average <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>i may have this set up wrong but my maillog tells me that it is sending
>mail using sendmail. in my start up scripts i call fetchmail -d and use
>fetchmailrc in home dir.
>but it works and thats not the problem for now
>
>my problem is when i send mail to my isp it has my local login name
>@isp.com.
>i have looked into /etc/sendmail.cf & /etc/sendmail.cw for the field to
>change my outgoing mail address to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>at this point in time i have to telnet to my isp to use thier mail
>software to send my mail
>
You need to look into using the genericstable feature of sendmail.
This will map your local name to the email address you want in your
outgoing mail.
Take a look at http://www.sendmail.org for more details.
--
Frank Hahn
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.sco.misc,alt.unix.wizards,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: HELP! Need data from BAD Floopy!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 26 Mar 1999 17:42:15 -0500
On 1999-03-25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>IIRC, `dd' demands to read through its input. It will therefore
>encounter those bad blocks and fail. I remember reading of a
>`dd'-replacement whichs seeks to the "skip"ped part. You can read
>about it in the Linux "Ext2-Undeletion" mini-HOWTO, I think.
dd conv=noerror seek=$x
Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive
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From: Nick Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.publish.cdrom.software
Subject: CD-R Backup under Linux
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 23:24:02 GMT
Hi,
I'm looking for a program that will let me do a backup of my system to CD-R
under Linux. I know that I could tar some files and write them to a CD
easily, but I have to imagine that there's some Linux software out there that
will automate the process, and allow me to do some sort of differential /
incremental backups that only backup the data that's changed. I've seen
several programs (like AMANDA) that can do this under Linux for tape drives,
but never one after all my searching for CD-R. Also, I don't have one of
those packet-writing drives (I have an HP 6020) so the software can't just
write to a directory, it has to be software that writes directly to the drive
(probably using a program like cdwrite). Has anyone seen anything like this?
With the low cost of CD-R media, I would think it would be something a lot of
people would want. Thanks.
Nick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Dillon)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: 'Doze 98 vs. UNIX multitasking
Date: 26 Mar 1999 16:17:48 -0800
:In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
:Jesus Monroy, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>On Fri, 26 Mar 1999 04:20:28 +0000, Donn Miller
:><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>>
:>>18.2/sec x 10 sec = 182 processes.
:>>
:>>But UNIX will have to oversee the execution of
:>>
:>>100/sec x 10 sec = 1,000 process.
:>>
:>>Hence, Win98 uses less exe time, but multi-tasking is less smooth.
:>>
:>>One last thing: is the timeslice interval in these "multi-tasking" OSes
:>>taken from the clock ticks of some timer, like the 8254 timer, or do
:>>some use a simple delay loop? Is there both an i8259 and an i8254
:>>timer? Also, does the resolution of 55 msec sound right for the 8259?
:>>Anyone here use NT, and how does the performance compare to 98, UNIX,
:>>etc.? Someone told me that NT5.0 was extremely bloated compared to
:>>95/98 (it was Fewtch).
:>>
:> Note concerning your statement/question on
:> time/slicing; while this is a parameter on the performance of
:> a machine other factors come into account when doing
:> "multi-tasking". Lately, a Debian-head want to convince me
:> that thread was better because it was a "lite" method to fork.
:> Not TRUE! By the case, your supposition that WinXX is either
:> faster or better has no relevance; or given any evidence that
:> Windoze might be faster or better on one particluar task, is again
:> part of farce.
:>
:> Why?
:>
:> Queueing. A good book about it is 200+ pages. Read one
:> and please don't mind fart again.
The FreeBSD scheduler is pretty darn good. People have tried to make
it better and failed.
Core routines to support native threads - specifically rfork(), have
been implemented in FreeBSD but they are not quite ready for prime time.
For example, rfork(RFPROC|RFMEM) cannot be called safely from C ( you
need some assembly to switch the stack ).
While it is true that threads, in general, are very light weight compared
to full blown 'processes', even those full blown processes are reasonably
light weight. It really isn't that big a deal unless you need to fork
hundreds of them. FreeBSD has optimized fork() up the wazoo.
-Matt
--
Matthew Dillon Engineering, HiWay Technologies, Inc. & BEST Internet
Communications
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jennifer Radtke)
Subject: USENIX Annual Conference, June 6-11, Monterey CA
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 23:52:12 GMT
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From: "No Spam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.databases.progress,comp.programming
Subject: Re: Database library for C++ Linux (gcc)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 23:29:43 GMT
>
> Nothing wrong with asking questions :-).
Thanks for encouraging me. You see, this is my first job as a programmer and
I am trying to be prepared. I haven't started yet, so I am not sure what I
will need exactly, but from what I have been told, I can tell that:
- The main program is going to be in C++, so preferably it has to be a C++
library. From that point postgresql is not what I'm looking for.
- Also, my employer hasn't worked with Linux before and I assume for that
job he is looking for something that doesnot require a license. You know, he
is going to make a software for one specific customer, so even if he has to
buy a commercial thing it has to be cheap. I think if I'm able, I prefer to
use SQL.
- Finally, the problem that I always face with Linux is that the software is
always free, but to use it I have to buy a book. Nothing wrong with that. I
am just looking for an advice on a good book, so that I don't buy something
that turns out to be too elementary (since I already know C++).
Thanks again.
>
> --
> Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> -- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to free software today?..."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: multimodem cards
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:06:36 GMT
I am looking for a setup of good multimodem cards that have drivers for Linux.
I read about the RA-PAS cards from Chase Research, but they are a bit pricy.
Anyone had some good experience with multimodem cards? If so, what manuf. and
how much? Any bad experiences?
Regards, Dustin
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From: "jdn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux Workstations in an NT domain -- how to do it?
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:10:22 -0600
I have someone who wants to add Linux Workstations to an NT domain. I'm
very comfortable working with NT in a network environment, but I only have
real experience with Linux as a desktop OS (running it in my multi-boot
system for about 8 months).
Is there a good URL or other source that might give me some info on how to
accomplish this?
TIA
jdn
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Subject: Re: 2nd Hard Drive
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:23:26 GMT
Darren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have two hard drives in my system. When I mount the 2nd hard drive I
>can only write to the drive if I am logged on as root. If I log on as
>another user, I can read from the drive but I cannot write anything to
>it. I have tried many different ways of mounting it and tried changing
>options in the fstab file. Any suggestions.
>
>I have figured out that the problem is that when I mount the
>drive, only the owner has read-write acces on it. I can set the
>permissions on the mount point before I mount it so that the owner/group
>have
>read-write access but after it is mounted it is changed so that only the
>owner has
>read write permission. If I set the permissions after it is mounted,
>nothing happens - the permissions aren't changed. Here is what I am
>doing:
>
>If I mount the device manually I use the following command:
>
>mount -t vfat /dev/hdc1 /mnt/docs
>
>But I prefer to have it mounted automatically when I boot.
>
>I have this in the /etc/fstab file:
>
>/dev/hdc1 /mnt/docs vfat user 0 0
Dos/Windows has no concept of ownership of files, so Linux
assigns all files on a vfat drive to one user and group,
by default these are root. You can change these by adding
uid=##,gid=## to the options entry in the fstab line
(e.g. user,uid=100,gid=1000).
Check man mount, and man fstab for more details.
Norman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brad Corsello)
Subject: WinTV BT878 and ATI Mach 64 video - can it be done?
Reply-To: bcorsello@usa.#NOSPAM.net
Date: 27 Mar 1999 00:42:29 GMT
I'm trying to use my new Hauppage WinTV card (with a BT878 chip) on my
ATI Mach 64 system (with bttv, natch). Has anyone gotten this to work? If
so, please let me know how you did it. I can get sound, and the tuner seems
to tune, but I get no picture at all. Just a black square.
--
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No animals were harmed in the writing of this message.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: emacs setup
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:09:55 GMT
I am attempting to setup emacs for regular use. However, I am having
difficulting in saving my color choices when I use the save configuration
command available in xemacs. How would I go about this?
Also, does anyone have a good .emacsrc file that has easy to read color, and
my style of C and C++ coding? (I believe whitesmith style mode covers much of
this.)
for ( i = 0; i < 10; i++ )
{
printf( "%d", i );
}
Regards, Dustin
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Subject: Re: Deleting files accross directories
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 26 Mar 1999 20:02:45 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I have a question for you unix guru's out there!
> I copied a directory structure from a cdrom to my hard drive. In
> each directory there is a TRANS.TBL file. I want to be able to
> delete them all from the command line with a single piped command.
> Or two if need be.
> I have done a " find . -name 'TRANS.TBL' " and tried to pipe it to
> rm and it doesnt' work. I have created a list with find and tried
> to pipe it to rm and that doesn't work either.
find . -name 'TRANS.TBL' -exec rm {} \;
or, if you're hell bent on piping
find . -name 'TRANS.TBL' -print | sed 's!^!rm !' | sh
sometimes this second form can very effective since sed (or awk) can
be used to perform major surgery and dispatch (e.g., if you wanted to
move/rename the files).
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: Todd Knarr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: 27 Mar 1999 01:38:55 GMT
Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tweaking with my home PC recently I discovered that it can power
> down disk drives in the same way as it can power down the monitor. I
> think this is actually quite common. Now I'm much less likely to
> switch it off completely.
Personally I wouldn't power-down the disk drives on a desktop machine. On
a laptop battery life takes priority, but on a desktop power is cheap and
readily available. Probably about 99.999% of the bearing and head wear on
a disk drive is in the few seconds while the drive is spinning up and down.
Not to mention that each spin-up probably costs as much power as 5-6 hours
of steady running. For the same reason, I only turn the monitor to standby
( scan stopped and beams off but the tube is hot and the remainder of the
circuitry is live and ready to go ) rather than turning it completely off.
I had an opportunity to check the actual power consumption of my systems.
2 Pentiums and a ( for it's size rather power-hungry ) 486, attached
printers, monitors ( 17" and 15" ) and associated peripherals. The total
power consumption of all these, running at full power 24x7, amounted to
something like $15US/month. Minimal power-down of the monitor already
cuts half off that, I _might_ get another 25% by powering down everything,
but the couple of dollars a month that saves me isn't worth the wear and
tear on the hardware.
As I said, this is for desktop machines where wall power is available.
Laptops are another world altogether, and obviously if you go to UPS battery
draw even on a desktop you want to power down completely before the
batteries run out.
--
All I want out of the Universe is 10 minutes with the source code and
a quick recompile.
-- unknown
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: X windows opening with tops cut off--Fix?
Date: 27 Mar 1999 01:55:06 GMT
Help. A number of my applications are opening their windows with the
top of their window above the top of the screen. (eg, xdvi, Simplicity,
appletviewer, ...). I have virtual screen the same size as real screen.
This is a pain because the title bar is the only thing I can grab to
move the window with!
I am running RedHat 5.1 with the AnotherLevel (default) windows manager.
ATI Rage Pro card.
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From: "Robbt Erisbright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux Zealots ? Was Which Voodoo for a P200?
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:23:45 -0600
T Bomhower wrote in message ...
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>[Do Linux guys who aren't computer science students really
>have girlfriends? My impression of Linux:
>
>What zealots say: Torvalds is a magnanimous genius for making it
>freely available.
>What I think: Interested parties would sue his ass to hell and back
>if he tried to make a nickle off it, since it's just hacked UNIX.
>Yeah, doubtless he's a clever boy, but it's not as if he wrote it
>from scratch.
>What zealots say: It's us against the evil [capitalist/American]
>empire.
>What I think: The people who have commercial interests in UNIX
>find it useful to have a hacked version floating around that will
>run on low rent systems - so that computer science students have
>more opportunity to get practice in on something similar to UNIX.
>>What zealots say: No, really, it's us against the evil empire.
>What I think: Hating Bill Gates and Microsoft isn't enough
>motivation to justify making a time pit avocation out of trying
>to make Linux do for general purpose personal computer operating
>system purposes. It's only really worth the time, as an alternative
>operating system, for computer science students.
>
>Otherwise, it's just a rallying flag for a grab bag of fringe nut
>cases, including communists and those looking for a queer nation to >belong
to, without, you know, being really really queer, like
>sexually.]
>
>--
>copyright 1999, T Bomhower
You know Tom what you say struck me as quite annoying, so I decided to cross
post it to comp.os.linux, which may be a stupid idea on my part but I don't
care. You words of what the Zealots say pissed me off, so what do you
consider yourself Tom ?
Your claims that people who are advocating Linux just want to be cool trendy
freaks is also kind of sickening. So you think Opensource is only really
valid in order to justify practice so that people can learn how to make
money later using UNIX. Then you might of missed the backing of Linux as an
alternative to UNIX by IBM and other companies. The fact that Information
Week has been covering for the last couple of issues since LinuxWorld. Also
Sun has recently opened sourced some of their JavaChips stuff in order to
let people without the money to develop them. Not to mention the
opensourcing of Mac Server X by Apple.
But no, anybody who supports a free OS is just a fruity communist zealot ?
Anything worthwile costs an arm and a leg and you get what you pay for eh ?
Ohh well. I doubt anybody will really respond to this anyways... And ways
let your freak flag flow high or something...
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