Linux-Misc Digest #655, Volume #19 Tue, 30 Mar 99 03:13:16 EST
Contents:
Re: ICQ auf Linux (Matthias Warkus)
RedHat install aught to be easier (Was Re: Catch MicroSoft napping.) (Tim Laursen)
Partitions ("Spud")
Re: Linuxers play dirty? (steve mcadams)
Re: Help me spend $2,000 on a new Linux-based computer (steve mcadams)
Re: am-utils (amd) & smbfs (smbmount) -- automount frustation
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Re: How do I .... (Yan Seiner)
read boot messages (MPatt)
Re: LPRng problems ("Peter Caffin")
A major mess - genius needed!! (Charles Sullivan)
Mandrake 5.3 and Crystal Audio 4236B chipset (Peter Wright)
Incomplete exit of X Server (Fung Wai Keung)
Re: Mandrake 5.3 and Crystal Audio 4236B chipset (**Nick Brown)
Re: slide-maker for linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Closing Dell Latitude Cover Crashes Linux (Douglas Nichols)
Re: ICQ auf Linux ("Jeff Volckaert")
Re: Using Linux instead of NT Server in home environment.... (Don Heffernan)
Re: remote printing (Francesc Guasch)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: ICQ auf Linux
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:34:22 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 29 Mar 1999 15:39:38 +0200...
..and Desmond Coughlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Josh Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I'm not sure what you are asking, but I have a feeling this will help :-)
> >
> > Do a search on www.freshmeat.net for Licq
> >
> > Licq is an ICQ client that runs great in linux. There's also a bunch of others
>there you can find by
> > just searching for ICQ. The Java version just sucks, I wouldn't suggest anyone use
>it.
>
> Just wondering : is there a Linux ICQ that doesn't need to X ?
Yes, zicq and a couple others.
mawa
--
Q: How does a spoilt rich girl change a light bulb?
A: She says, "Daddy, I want a new apartment."
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From: Tim Laursen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RedHat install aught to be easier (Was Re: Catch MicroSoft napping.)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:39:14 +0200
John Nelson wrote:
> "Just about ..."? Don't hold your breath. When, and IF, MS delivers on the
> promises made for Win2K, it may be a winner. The one thing that MS has going
> for it is easy installation and configuration. Like it or not, the fact is
> that Linux has a long way to go in this regard, and will fail to penetrate
> those areas where that feature (ease of use) is high on the list.
A long way? Weel.... I just helped a guy install RedHat Linux 5.2 for
the first time, and made a few mental notes about what the weaknesses of
the install procedure are:
First of all the procedure of making boot disks should be made easier,
for example with a Windows install script. Let's face it: Most people
already have Windows installed on their machine, when they start, so why
not take advantage of it? When you insert the RedHat CD in the drive,
while Windows is running, a window should pop up, telling the user
exactly what to do now. This part will not take forever to implement.
The next difficulty is the Hard drive repartitioning. Disk Druid is
pretty mediocre, and fdisk is not exactly user friendly. This needs a
bit of improvement. Especially there needs to be a help button, that
provides clear and concise information about what is going on here, and
what the user should do now. A simple thing as defining a mount point is
a mystery to a new user, so an on line description with an example or
two would be in place.
Now we come to the point where you select which packages to install.
First of all: the option to select "Server" and "Work station" as
predefined installation schemes does more harm than good. Those schemes
are bound to make wrong assumptions about what the user wants, and it
gives a false impression, that if you select one of them, your system is
destined to serve only that one purpose. When you get the list of
packages to install, all the information about the individual package
you get is the name. For example, what is the difference between
"Windows inter connectivity" and "Samba"? There really should be a
"details" button to each package, that gives information about what it
contains.
Then the user get to choose which programs should be automatically
started at boot time. This list needs a serious overhaul! The names of
most of the programs are just unintelligible abbreviations! How the hell
is a new user going to know if he needs ypbind or not, and how is he
supposed to know that this is the same as NIS? Descriptions PLEASE!
Okay, the user have finally gotten through the installation and is at
the log in prompt. What now? Well it is fair to assume that he/she can
manage to log in as root, but the first thing that happens after that
really should be, that he is presented with a message like
"Congratulations! You have successfully logged on for the first time.
The next thing you should do is to create one or more user accounts for
normal use. This can be done by bla. bla. bla."
Now the user for the first time starts an X session, assumably by typing
startx, and what does he get? A bloody awful looking window manager,
which is by NO means customized to reflect the software packages that
was selected during installation! The menu shortcuts to programs may or
may not work! You don't even get a pop up window explaining how to
customize anything or how to change to another windows manager. Why
don't you get at least Afterstep as default? It is way nicer than the
crap you get by default. Why does a new user account not get a default
.xinitrc file with the permissions set up correctly? It is a lot easier
to modify an existing file, than creating it, and then remember to make
it executable.
So, I did mention quite a few weaknesses, but neither of them should be
extremely hard to fix. My conclusion is that: Yes, there is some way to
go, before Linux gets easy to install and use, but I don't think it is
extremely long.
And with these words, I withdraw from the discussion again, since I
don't get to read news groups all that often.
Thank you for your attention.
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From: "Spud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Partitions
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 05:42:01 GMT
Boy have I been having partition problems lately. This is the most
perplexing one. I have a 12.9 gig HD, which has 1508 cylinders. So fdisk
(kernel 2.2.4) complains that it won't be able to install LILO. Oh well.
Anyway, i have it split up into a 7 gig FAT 32 partition, 5 gig extended
partition (made with Partition Magic). I split that extended partition into
3 logical drives. When I enter fdisk to setup my target partitions, it shows
me my 7 gig FAT 32 partition, and my 5 gig Windows Extended LBA partition,
and nothing else!!! None of the logical drives appear....why is this
happening?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams)
Subject: Re: Linuxers play dirty?
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 06:23:34 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Posted & mailed, snipped, quoted is ">"]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Edick) wrote:
>Your guess is right. NT is a microkernel under the covers. At least
>they started that way. Linus himself talks about NT's microkernel
>choice in a recent article in the current issue of LinuxWorld
>(www.linuxworld.com).
Not interested in reading an article about Linus and NT personally,
but thanks, I'm sure many of the more "loyal" (?) readers will want to
eat it right up.
Ever seen the source code to the NT microkernel? Or even the specs?
So, it does me no good to worry about it one way or the other. Can't
say that I really care at the point, I'm designing my own. Well, it's
not that far advanced to be saying it's in the design stage.
Mid-architecture is more like it. ntagis :-) Rock on!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams)
Subject: Re: Help me spend $2,000 on a new Linux-based computer
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 06:23:36 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<fart>
I'm not even going to download your post to read it, the subject makes
pretty obvious. Don't waste your money. You can run Linux on a
piece-of-crap 486 box that you can buy for about $150. Spend another
$500 for a decent monitor, and you've got a kick-ass system. For less
than $700. It'll do anything NT will do in console mode, and the GUI
apps just aren't there for Linux, so spending more than that is a
waste of money. imho.
</fart>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: am-utils (amd) & smbfs (smbmount) -- automount frustation
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:46:13 GMT
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:04:33 GMT, "Steven R. Levitt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I realize now, that I didn't make it clear that my WinNT shares physically
>reside on another PC on my peer-to-peer network. Sorry.
>
>I don't want to run a NFS server on the NT machine, so I can't mount the
>shares automatically via fstab. Instead, I'm using the smbfs utility, and,
>of the 3 automount utilities I know of, it seems that only the amd utility
>is capable of dealing with the smbmount command. If not for that, I would
>be flying with either autofs or automount.
>
>Is there anything else you can think of?
>
I have verified, it seems that autofs can handle smbfs (in autofs man
pages, I think in the 8th section). There is even an sample which sees
like :
windoze -fstype=smbfs ://windoze/c
Check out, autofs is much easier to configure.
Manu
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From: Yan Seiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: How do I ....
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:56:09 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Duh! I missed it....
**Nick Brown wrote:
> kvt has a "Save Options" menu choice at the bottom of the Options menu.
>
> --
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From: MPatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: read boot messages
Date: 30 Mar 1999 06:31:58 GMT
how do i read boot messages after they have scrolled by? is there an
equivelent to dos' F8?
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From: "Peter Caffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.debian.user
Subject: Re: LPRng problems
Date: 30 Mar 1999 06:22:31 GMT
Okay, I sorted this out. So here's what I did to get it going:
In comp.os.linux.misc Peter Caffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The only thing I can see going wrong is that the lp-errs and lp-acct
> directories (?) get complained about by `checkpc -f`
> lp: ** cannot create '/var/log/lp-errs/'
> lp: ** cannot open '/var/log/lp-errs/'
> lp: checking file '/var/log/lp-acct/'
> lp: ** cannot create '/var/log/lp-acct/'
> lp: ** cannot open '/var/log/lp-acct/'
I updated from my LPRng from 3.4.2 to 3.5.1, removed /var/log/lp-acct and
/var/log/lp-errs and ran `checkpc -f -t 10k` and that stopped those errors
appearing.
Out of desperation, I re-enabled the stardard entry-style in favour of
what (I thought) the docs required. My /etc/printcap contains:
lp|c2s|Stylus ColorIIs:\
:lp=/dev/lp1:sd=/var/spool/lpd/c2s:\
# :[EMAIL PROTECTED]:\
:sh:pw#80:pl#72:px#1440:mx#0:\
:if=/etc/magicfilter/stylus800-filter:\
:af=/var/log/lp-acct:lf=/var/log/lp-errs:
Surprisingly, it worked.. Odd, that's what I call it.
My previous posting/s contains the /var/spool/lpd/printcap file I'm using,
which I didn't need to change at all.
I'm now going to have a closer look at the LPRng documentation to see what
could have possessed me to add the (now commented out) line into my
/etc/printcap in the first place..
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Sullivan)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: A major mess - genius needed!!
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 99 06:17:29 GMT
I've got a fairly new Pentium II system with 10Gb hard drive, partitioned
7Gb for Win98 and 3 Gb for RH5.2 (+ kernel 2.2.0-pre7). I could boot into
either Win98 or Linux from LILO in the MBR.
I needed to resize a couple of the Linux partitions to redistribute the
available space so used Partition Magic 4.0 to accomplish this. I did
nothing to the Win98 partition nor to the Linux /boot partition, however
something went very wrong.
I've now got the problem that I can't boot into Win98 by any means:
neither from the hard drive, nor from a Win 98 boot or rescue floppy,
nor from the Win98 CD. I can boot into Linux either from the hard drive
via LILO or from a Linux boot floppy with no problem, and once into Linux
I can access my Win98 partition. Linux fdisk indicates no problem with
any of the partitions.
About the only thing left to try is to trash the first few sectors
by writing to them with 'dd' from Linux, hoping to be able to start Win98
from scratch. But does anyone have a more elegant solution?
Replies by email would be greatly appreciated as I'm posting this message
from my old antique PC which I'm afraid won't hold up much longer, and I
can't access the 'net from my Winmodem-equipped Linux system.
Regards,
Charles Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Wright)
Subject: Mandrake 5.3 and Crystal Audio 4236B chipset
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:05:22 GMT
I have a Dell Optiplex GX1 that I'm trying to get linux working on. So far
everything works except the Integrated sound portion. Its a crystal Audio
4236B chip set.
The sndconfig does not have the parameters I need to set things up properly
and setting it up manual doesn't seem to work properly either. These are
the parameters that the pnp tools pick up from the sound chipset
io = 0x530
irq = 5
dma1 = 1
dma2 = 0
Midi Io = 388
Midi IRQ = 5
The sndconfig tool can handle everything but the midi IO, the parameters it
gives me for that is either 0x300 or 0x330. Has anyone an idea of how to
get the sound working on this machine? I'm using the stock kernel that
is part of Mandrake 5.3. I think that is 2.0.36.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fung Wai Keung)
Subject: Incomplete exit of X Server
Date: 30 Mar 1999 03:26:33 GMT
Hi all,
I encounter a strange situation that my X Server exits incompletely. It
leaves only the
wallpaper on my screen with mouse pointer frozen. I can't exit X-server by pressing
Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. When I telnet into the computer, I notice that there is no any
process related to
X server. How can I get my console terminal back?
Thanks in advance.
--
Regards,
Wai Keung, Fung
Department of Mechanical and Automation Engineering,
The Chinese University of Hong Kong,
Shatin, N.T.,
Hong Kong.
Tel: (852)26098470 Fax: (852)26036002
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From: **Nick Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake 5.3 and Crystal Audio 4236B chipset
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:58:03 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On my OptiPlex GXa with the same chipset, I'm using 330 for the Midi I/O
and 9 for the IRQ, even though the Intel PnP utilities diskette tells me
that the Midi synth doesn't need an IRQ. Perhaps you could try setting
the I/O address to 330. I also found it necessary to enable the OPL-xx
lines - there are two, "Generic OPL2/OPL3 FM synthesizer support" and
later "FM synthesizer (YM3812/OPL-3) support".
Peter Wright wrote:
> I have a Dell Optiplex GX1 that I'm trying to get linux working on. So far
> everything works except the Integrated sound portion. Its a crystal Audio
> 4236B chip set.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: slide-maker for linux?
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 07:08:14 GMT
In article <7dmkmj$12o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Is there an presentation-maker application similar to power-point for linux?
> Thanks for any help.
>
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>
There is one in the koffice (kpresenter) but it is still beta.
http://koffice.kde.org/
Rainer
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:13:21 -0800
From: Douglas Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Closing Dell Latitude Cover Crashes Linux
I didn't see that you got a reasonable reply and I cannot
offer one. I assume you are talking about the computer
cover? I think your model has some sort of write to the cmos
when you open and close the case. I suggest this may be the
problem? I usually do not open my compuete when it is
running but wouldn't be suprised if it rebooted. There are
other things that cause reboot when opening your computer
box though. Like static electricity, something shorting out.
good luck.
Emily wrote:
>
> In article <7di0tc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "John R. Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On a similar note, I've noticed that, when I try to use that little keyboard
> > lockout on the front of the case, just about as soon as I touch it, the system
> > goes into immediate reboot (and then everything has to be fsck'ed etc. :p)
> > Anyone know if this is some sort of extreme Linux-motherboard security
> > interaction? Maybe even a 'feature'?
> >
> > James Seymour wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm just installing RH5.1 Linux (w/kernel 2.0.36) on a Dell Latitude
> > > XPiCD (166MHz). If Linux is running and I close, then re-open the
> > > lid, things crash. For example: if snmpd is running, it will crash.
> > > If snmpd isn't running and I try to do a "shutdown -r now", init
> > > crashes. In both cases, the first diagnostic lines says "divide error:
> > > 0000".
> > >
> > > Anybody know what's going on here? And mebbe how I can fix it?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jim
> > > --
> > > Jim Seymour | Medar, Inc.
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 38700 Grand River Ave.
> > > Systems & Network Administrator | Farmington Hills, MI. 48335-1563
> > > | FAX: (248)615-2971
> >
> > -- John R. Owens aka KarMann http://www.execpc.com/~jowens/
> > **********************************************************
> > Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a god superior to themselves. Most
> > gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child. --- Lazarus Long
> >
>
> The 'resume' feature (surprise) dumps memory to disk. Have you set up a place
> for the machine to dump memory? It can be a dedicated partition or a dos file.
> Check the setup cd.
>
> We do unix.
> To contact, emily -at/know-spam viscnsl [dot+ com
>
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From: "Jeff Volckaert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: ICQ auf Linux
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:06:09 -0500
ftp://micq.chatzone.org/pub/micq/ is one and
http://uhura.cc.rochester.edu/~ab012f/cicq/ is another comand line ICQ
client.
Jeff Volckaert
Desmond Coughlan wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Josh Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> I'm not sure what you are asking, but I have a feeling this will help :-)
>>
>> Do a search on www.freshmeat.net for Licq
>>
>> Licq is an ICQ client that runs great in linux. There's also a bunch of
others there you can find by
>> just searching for ICQ. The Java version just sucks, I wouldn't suggest
anyone use it.
>
>Just wondering : is there a Linux ICQ that doesn't need to X ?
>--
>Desmond Coughlan |Restez zen ... Linux peut le faire
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[www site under construction]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Don Heffernan)
Crossposted-To:
microsoft.public.windowsnt.misc,microsoft.public.windowsnt.setup,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,micorosft.public.outlook
Subject: Re: Using Linux instead of NT Server in home environment....
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 03:54:58 GMT
Fascinating thread, and I didn't even notice any really hot flames.
Let me add my two cents as an example of the sort of user the original
poster thought would do better on NT than Linux.
I have a fair amount of general IT knowledge from a managerial
perspective, but am not hands on technical. I have no experience
installing or administering servers. My installation experience prior
to Linux (one month ago) was Win 95 and 98 on my two home machines. I
had a little familiarity with basic Unix commands from early Web
experience.
I decided early in March to get an SDSL line at home and wanted to
connect both of my PCs. To do it at a reasonable cost I needed to run
some sort of gateway device. The idea of running a Web server at home
also sounded like fun. NT would have required a new, high end box
which didn't seem like a sensible investment. Linux would run on a
second hand beater (a Pentium 100 with 32 M RAM and a 6G HD) and would
provide an interesting learning experience on an operating system I
had been reading about for years.
I bought Red Hat 5.2 and had my used pentium up dual booting Win 98
and a custom Linux server install in about 2 hours. Using Red Hat
documentation and a couple of books I was able to ping the Linux
server on eth0 from my other PCs across a hub almost immediately.
Setting up Apache to run a clone of my limited web site took another
hour or so.
Figuring out how to set up ipfwadm and configure a working network
behind a second NIC on the Linux box took considerably more work. I
ended up screwing everything up and had to reinstall Linux. But, with
a few newsgroup questions, and a lot of HOWTOs I got that working in a
couple of weeks. I can now connect to it from my "private" network
using telnet, ftp, http, and I'm even exporting X terminal sessions to
a WIN98 box upstairs. Samba is starting to look interesting. I'm
still a bit uncertain about my security, but I seem to have everything
from outside locked out except for http (which I want to let in). My
SDSL line is coming in about a week and I will try turning this thing
loose on the net.
The bottom line is this was quite doable for a "non-technical" person
with patience and interest. There is no way I would describe it as
something for the average user - the AOL crowd others have referred
to.
I have no NT experience with which to compare this, but I can't say I
would feel more comfortable going in that direction even if the cost
was comparable.
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From: Francesc Guasch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: remote printing
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:00:27 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I am trying to send printouts from a PC running Linux
> redhat 5.2 to a remote HP workstation running HP-UX 10.20.
> The HP has a printer with the quename of lexxy.
> Does anyone have any suggestions?
This won't solve your problem. Anyway .. 8)
In my environment, I have Solaris, SunOs and linux. All have
printing flavours more or less different. There is a free
version of the lp suite that you can install in many OS and
you can configure the same. It's called LPRng, check
ftp://www.astart.com
It's got a lot of docs and filters.
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