Linux-Misc Digest #655, Volume #24 Tue, 30 May 00 16:13:02 EDT
Contents:
PNG to GIF (Penpal International)
how to be root in linux???? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
How to use groups (Harlan Grove)
Diskdruid kills other HDs? (Peet)
Re: how to be root in linux???? ("Jeffrey Tubes")
Re: how to be root in linux???? (LFessen106)
Re: Clustering sparcs? "Pirahna?" (Prasanth A. Kumar)
Netscape 6 unzip question ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Netscape 6 unzip question ("Art S. Kagel")
A 'disk sleep' process - can I kill it? ("Henrique Pantarotto")
Re: Netscape 6 unzip question ("David ..")
*****Starting Linux***** (N/A)
SAMBA (Rafael)
Mail Query (Chris Medcraft)
Re: *****Starting Linux***** ("Jeffrey Tubes")
Re: democracy? ("Andrew N. McGuire")
Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true???? (Rich Teer)
Re: democracy? (Robert J Carter)
Re: ssh problems (FEJF)
Re: *****Starting Linux***** (FEJF)
Re: Matlab or MathCad Like Programs (Harlan Grove)
help with Tob file restoration ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Info on *BSDs (Robert Glass)
Re: Audio spectrum analyzer for RH 6.1 (Kevin E Cosgrove)
Re: Mounting Linux partition under Windows (Harlan Grove)
Re: Mounting Linux partition under Windows (Dances With Crows)
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From: Penpal International <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PNG to GIF
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 20:11:30 +0200
Hi!
For some while I've made graphs in PNG-format with GD. But now I want to
publish some of theme on the internet, but most browsers don't support
PNG yet. I also can't create GIF files, because that function was
disabled on ALL libraries, apps, etc, etc because of someone has a
patent on it. Now I try to find an app for linux which can convert PNG
to GIF. Does anyone knows something which can do this?
Thanks,
Frank de Bot
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: how to be root in linux????
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:16:00 GMT
this is the first time i've installed linux on my machine{ suse 6.3 }.
but i'm having problem while giving command "XF86Setup". it says
that "you need to be root to set the initial configuration of this
program"
does anybody know how to be root in linux????
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From: Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to use groups
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:25:05 GMT
My system admin experience is mostly with NetWare, so my concept of
groups is rather different than for unix/linux. Unix/linux groups seem
somewhat more limited than NetWare ones, in which users are in multiple
groups simultaneously.
I've read the info pages for the groups and chgrp commands, and I've
read the Security HOWTO. None of them address the use of groups in
great detail. Most annoyingly, there are references to 'supplemental
groups' with no references for additional information.
Are there documents available on the web or via anonymous ftp that
delve into the subject of using groups in unix/linux, especially any
comparing unix/linux groups to group mechanisms under different OSs?
Thanks.
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From: Peet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Diskdruid kills other HDs?
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:30:17 GMT
I am using diskdruid during install (Mandrake 6.5 or RH6.0) to install
Linux on a second hard drive (slave /deb/hdb). I have Win98 already on
/dev/hda (vfat) which diskruid recognizes and displays in it's menu.
After setting up all partitions for Linux on /dev/hdb will diskdruid
reformat also the master hard drive vfat (/dev/hda) and destroy all data
i.e. Win98 ?
If so, how can I install Linux on a slave drive without affecting the
master drive?
Thanks,
Peet
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From: "Jeffrey Tubes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how to be root in linux????
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:37:32 -0500
Log in as root.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8h10gd$l96$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> this is the first time i've installed linux on my machine{ suse 6.3 }.
> but i'm having problem while giving command "XF86Setup". it says
> that "you need to be root to set the initial configuration of this
> program"
> does anybody know how to be root in linux????
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (LFessen106)
Subject: Re: how to be root in linux????
Date: 30 May 2000 18:38:44 GMT
>this is the first time i've installed linux on my machine{ suse 6.3 }.
>but i'm having problem while giving command "XF86Setup". it says
>that "you need to be root to set the initial configuration of this
>program"
>does anybody know how to be root in linux????
This means you have to be logged in as root to run this program. Log out of
your current user, then log in as 'root' and THEN run the xf86config.
If you are at the console mode (which I assume you are since you want to
configure X) at the Login: prompt type root and enter, and then the correct
password.
Your other alternative is to type
su -
from where you are right now, then enter the root password for the system, then
run your xf86config...
-Linc.
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Subject: Re: Clustering sparcs? "Pirahna?"
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Prasanth A. Kumar)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:40:51 GMT
"G. Fenstermacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I've got myself a stack of old sparcstations (two 10's, two IPX's), that I
> figure would be a worthwhile timekiller project to cluster together. I'm not
> even sure if beowulf will work under non-i386, but someone tells me there's
> a simpler clustering system called "pirahna." However, I've been able to
> turn up nothing on it. Anyone?
What kind of clustering are you trying to do? Is it computational or
redundancy? I think pirahna is for redundancy. The program is written
by Redhat and can be found in any of their distributions. As to the
former, I would suggest Beowulf for computational clustering. But let
me warn you that much of this is do-it-yourself... Having a cluster
doesn't mean much unless the program is written to make the best use
of it.
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Prasanth Kumar
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Netscape 6 unzip question
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 18:39:29 GMT
Greetings Linux world. Question: what's the procedure for unzipping the
new Netscape 6?
I downloaded it ("netscape-v600pr1.x86-unknown-linux2.2.tar.gz") and put
in a new directory (as root). I tried the 'gunzip' command but this
changed the extension only...any help is appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:21:00 -0400
From: "Art S. Kagel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Netscape 6 unzip question
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Greetings Linux world. Question: what's the procedure for unzipping the
> new Netscape 6?
> I downloaded it ("netscape-v600pr1.x86-unknown-linux2.2.tar.gz") and put
> in a new directory (as root). I tried the 'gunzip' command but this
> changed the extension only...any help is appreciated.
If the extension changed from .tar.gz to just .tar then you have
uncompressed the file. No wyou have to use tar to extract the files:
cd to the directory UNDER which you want to install it
cd /usr
then:
tar xvf netscape-v600pr1.x86-unknown-linux2.2.tar
Art S. Kagel
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From: "Henrique Pantarotto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: A 'disk sleep' process - can I kill it?
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:22:24 -0300
Hello friends,
I have process that has the 'disk sleep' status. Is it possible to kill it?
Someone told that the only way is to reboot the server. Is this true?
Thanks,
Henrique Pantarotto
Sao Paulo, SP - Brazil
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape 6 unzip question
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:11:26 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Greetings Linux world. Question: what's the procedure for unzipping the
> new Netscape 6?
> I downloaded it ("netscape-v600pr1.x86-unknown-linux2.2.tar.gz") and put
> in a new directory (as root). I tried the 'gunzip' command but this
> changed the extension only...any help is appreciated.
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
tar xzvf filename.tar.gz
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From: N/A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: *****Starting Linux*****
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:30:06 GMT
when i log in as either my username or "root" i get the '$' or the '#'
depending on how i log in. ('root' or my username), anyway what command do
i put in after the '$' or '#' to log in to the linux OS???
if someone sends this responce to my e-mail i will eternally be thankfull
and luv ya forever......thanks..............
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From: Rafael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: SAMBA
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:47:02 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am running samba at our institution. We was using before WIndows NT
and Pcounter program for counting pages people was printing. How to do
this on Linux
Rafael
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From: Chris Medcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Mail Query
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 20:34:02 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I hope I'll be forgiven for posting this to c.o.l.m rather than to a
sendmail or a procmail group, but, truth be told, I'm not sure which
would be more suitable.
Firstly, I want all mail (including root) to be sent to another user.
Secondly, I want to filter this mail so that all mail addressed to one
particular user (in this case 'bugtraq') is sent to a particular
folder where I can read it with pine, i.e. /home/chris/mail/bugtraq.
I'm poring through sendmail, procmail and pine manuals, faqs and
mailing lists, and I know that eventually I'll get there, but can I
resist asking for a little help? Nope. ;-)
Any hints, cryptic or otherwise would be greatly appreciated.
Remove the 'nospamplease' to reply
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From: "Jeffrey Tubes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: *****Starting Linux*****
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:41:59 -0500
You're already in.
If you want the graphical interface and you have a windows manager
installed, try startx.
"N/A" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> when i log in as either my username or "root" i get the '$' or the '#'
> depending on how i log in. ('root' or my username), anyway what command do
> i put in after the '$' or '#' to log in to the linux OS???
>
>
> if someone sends this responce to my e-mail i will eternally be thankfull
> and luv ya forever......thanks..............
>
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From: "Andrew N. McGuire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: democracy?
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:39:34 -0500
On Tue, 30 May 2000, Mark Wilden wrote:
+ "Andrew N. McGuire" wrote:
+ >
+ > + However, my point was that this issue is simply not important enough for
+ > + most people to worry about strict accuracy. And why should they? The
+ > + rollover to 2000 is much more interesting to them.
+ >
+ > I suppose, I for the life of me do not see why though.
[ snip ]
+ This is why they (and I, frankly) ignore the 'fact' that the new
+ millenium (by the arithmetic definition) doesn't start until 2001. It
+ wouldn't be _fun_ not to recognise 2000 as a much more important thing.
+ And limiting fun is not an intelligent thing to do, no matter how
+ logical it may be. :)
[ snip ]
+ >It depends, there are many people who will swear up and down that
+ > it (Windows) is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
+
+ I'll have to take your word for it, since I haven't met any. My mom, for
+ example, thinks Windows is 'fine' (when I asked her), but she'd never
+ say it was the best OS around, since she's never used another one.
Well I have met people who claim just that... If you ever read any
of the threads at say Slashdot ( there are others ), you will see
those who purport their OS (not just Windows, but including Windows)
to be 'the best'. I am sure you have heard it. 'Linux drools and
Windows rules' and vice versa. What I am saying is that many of these
zealots (not meant in a negative manner) do little if any research,
and present bare arguments to support their claim.
+ > My point is that if people only 'stick to what they know' and do
+ > no investigation on their own as to what is actually best, then
+ > they should not complain if they do not get the best.
+
+ They should complain if it makes them happier (I'm a big believer in
+ happiness as the greatest good, if you haven't gathered). Especially if
+ that takes less effort than becoming a 'computer person' which most
+ people don't have time for.
Well for me, satisfying my curiosity makes me happy, to each his own
I suppose. I just can't see 'blissful ignorance' as being a good thing.
Point and counterpoint, I suppose we will have to agree to disagree
on this.
+ > + with Windows, not from the number of people who think Windows is 'the
+ > + best OS ever', as you averred.
+ >
+ > But you put forth the argument that that is all they know, and wish
+ > to know of nothing else. You can't have it both ways.
+
+ I'm not sure what two ways you mean. I will agree that most Windows
+ users think Windows is 'fine', 'OK', and meets their current needs in
+ the way, say, their car does. I disagreed that they think it's the best
+ OS on earth. I just can't imagine a real person saying that.
See above.
+ > + If it were _proven_ to be better, yes. There are other issues involved
+ > + than the technical quality of the OS, such as the availability of
+ > + software and help.
+ >
+ > True, however if you have ever called _any_ major companies support
+ > lines, you know how bad it is..
+
+ Oh yeah. I didn't mean the companies themselves. I was thinking more
+ along the lines of the "Dummies" books, and their neighbor Fred.
+ (Hmmm...not sure that helps my case! :)
Well as for Linux, there is a plethora of documentation out there.
For Windows there is not as much needed, as much of Windows was
designed to be intuitive. However there are still many publications
pertaining to the use and management of Windows. I would have to say
that Mac OS (not so bad) , the BSD's, and BeOS are probably some of the
most underdocumented OSen I have come across. Not their fault, there
are just not the resources.
+ > I do not think individuals are idiots, I think the conglomeration of
+ > them is idiotic. There is a difference, a definite tendency towards
+ > 'mob mentality' in many cases. People, left to their own devices are
+ > on average, quite intelligent. People in a crowd, well that is another
+ > matter.
+
+ I'm not sure what the original statement about 'idiots' really was, or
+ if you even said it. I thought it implied that the average person was
+ indeed an idiot.
Nope, I wasn't the person who said that all people are idiots...
I just pointed out some examples of what the person who stated
that meant. I do however believe that in _most_ cases a person
will behave more intelligently when left to his own devices, rather
than when involved in a crowd. As I siad before, indivuduals on
average are quit intellingent, but it has been my observation
( and I do beleive there are studies which document this, although
I can't point to any specific study now ) that much of that intellegence
is lost in a crowd. I believe the term has been dubbed 'mob mentality'
( not by me ).
Regards,
anm
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From: Rich Teer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sun Sparc faster then intel pentium: is this true????
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:45:11 GMT
On Tue, 30 May 2000, Grant Edwards wrote:
> I admit that SCSI costs more, but I think it's worth it.
And that's mainly due to a chicken and egg situation: the peecee
crowd don't like to use SCSI because they cost a bit more, but they
cost more because of the lack of economies of scale.
If more peecee people had a clue how crappy IDE drives are (and
weren't so tight fisted), and thus bought SCSI drives with their
computers, SCSI drives would be a lot cheaper than they are now.
--
Rich Teer
NT tries to do almost everything UNIX does, but fails - miserably.
The use of Windoze cripples the mind; its use should, therefore, be
regarded as a criminal offence. (With apologies to Edsger W. Dijkstra)
If it ain't analogue, it ain't music.
Voice: +1 (250) 763-6205
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert J Carter)
Subject: Re: democracy?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:48:46 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Andrew N. McGuire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> As I siad before, indivuduals on average are quit intellingent,
Actually, no. By definition, individuals are on average NOT quite
intelligent, but of average intelligence.
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From: FEJF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ssh problems
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:02:09 +0200
Praedor Tempus
wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I have openssh installed on both my desktop and laptop computer.
> When I try to open a ssh connection to my desktop from my laptop
> I cannot. I get a message about connection refused. When I try
> from my desktop to my laptop, it connects fine. Both are running
> openssh-1.2.2-6, setup the same. Both run sshd.
is there a firewall which refuses the connection ?
fejf
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From: FEJF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: *****Starting Linux*****
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:00:38 +0200
N/A
wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> when i log in as either my username or "root" i get the '$' or the '#'
> depending on how i log in. ('root' or my username), anyway what command do
> i put in after the '$' or '#' to log in to the linux OS???
if the # (or $) appears u should have logged in !
if u mean that u wanna see more than # then try
chsh
to switch the login shell (for example to /bin/tcsh )
then u can also edit the (/etc/csh* files)
fejf
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From: Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Matlab or MathCad Like Programs
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:36:01 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
> fyi octave is not just for unix-likes. it runs on windows too.
Yeah, but doesn't it require cygwin.dll?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,fa.linux.tape
Subject: help with Tob file restoration
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:39:15 GMT
Please help!
I am having trouble restoring a directory from tape with Tob. I have
been using it for awhile and have restored files, but never a complete
directory.
I use:
tob -restore /where/the/file/is/file.txt
to restore a file, but when I run
tob -restore /where/the/file/is/
no worky. it just spins through the whole 20GB tape and then I find
out 30 minutes later that nothing was restored.
sorry for the cross-posts but I am freaking out.
thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Glass)
Subject: Re: Info on *BSDs
Date: 30 May 2000 19:17:44 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 28 May 2000 10:44:17 -0600, Ben Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have used Linux for several years, both at home and work. I am interested
>in trying out one of the open source BSD systems, either FreeBSD, NetBSD,
>or OpenBSD for the i386 platform. Anybody have any opinions or
>recommendations on these various systems? I currently use Linux primarally
>as a network server for DNS, Apache, DHCP, sendmail, NFS, and samba on
>several machines with moderate loads. I am interested in how the various
>BSDs compare to Linux under similar circumstances. I have heard that
>many ISP's and large volume web sites use FreeBSD and NetBSD quite
>frequently.
I was hoping someone better qualified than I am would tackle this, but if
the experiences of a computer hobbyist rather than a professional are of any
use to you, here's my take on the various *BSDs.
FreeBSD has the most extensive hardware support and is probably the most
stable of the three on the i386 platform. I don't see that NetBSD does
anything on an i386 that FreeBSD doesn't do as well or better -- NetBSD's
main strength seems to be that it will run on almost anything. OpenBSD is
closer to NetBSD than it is to FreeBSD, but has some additional built-in
security which might be of interest to you.
Installing FreeBSD is pretty straightforward for anyone who has installed
Linux, but I learned more about disk geometry than I ever wanted to know
while installing NetBSD and OpenBSD. It's a good idea to write down the
details of your disk partitions before starting a NetBSD or OpenBSD
installation.
FreeBSD advocates claim that it's more stable than Linux, but I think you
would have to load the system very heavily before you would notice any
difference in performance.
Not sure this is worth even two cents, but I hope it's at least of some help.
Cheers,
RG
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin E Cosgrove)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Audio spectrum analyzer for RH 6.1
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:51:57 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
D Parsons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a binary or rpm for this? I want to look at the frequency spectra
> from violin notes.
I just went through the exercise of finding a good audio
spectrum analyzer. My pick turned out to be JXSpectrum
from the Metalab source archives. I've built it into an
RPM which I'd be happy to share. I didn't consider
Gnome/KDE alternatives, but might after I upgrade from
RH5.1 to Mandrake 7.02.
Cheers....
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From: Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mounting Linux partition under Windows
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:51:50 GMT
In article <8h0uq3$jqf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
BuDMaN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I know I can mount Windows partition on Linux using VFAT filesystem
>but I want to do the opposite now. How can I do that? I want to mount
>it on the same machine so I guess I can't use Samba for that, right?
This may be the closest you can get for now.
http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Mounting Linux partition under Windows
Date: 30 May 2000 16:08:08 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 30 May 2000 17:46:50 GMT, BuDMaN
<<8h0uq3$jqf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>Hey all,
>
> I know I can mount Windows partition on Linux using VFAT filesystem but
>I want to do the opposite now. How can I do that? I want to mount it on
>the same machine so I guess I can't use Samba for that, right?
"explore2fs" is probably what you want. It doesn't do everything, but it
will let you see the files on your Linux partitions from Lose9x/NT and
copy files to/from your FAT and ext2 partitions. AFAIK there's nothing
that will make an ext2 partition "transparently" appear to be another
MS-DOS drive just yet.
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There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| creative ways of being stupid?
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Beer is a vegetable. WinNT
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