Linux-Misc Digest #682, Volume #19 Thu, 1 Apr 99 07:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: newbie: how to get linux (garv)
Re: IP Masquerading (Oliver Cook)
Re: GPL vs BSD license agreement (source code reuse) (JR)
X11Amp (Gary Portnoy)
Re: Help!!! Sun Sparc BIOS!! ("Moribund")
Re: C++ Heeeelp!!!! (David M. Cook)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? (Harry)
"playing MPEGs" or "problems with SMP kernel" (Peter Kharchenko)
modem problem (Felix Lam)
Re: RedHat install aught to be easier (Richard Steiner)
Re: x86config - laptop (Anthony Campbell)
Re: newbie: how to get linux ("Cameron Spitzer")
Re: data base (Jim McCusker)
Re: How do I .... (David M. Cook)
Typing accented characters in Linux? ("Anton")
Re: Where can I download Linux as one compressed file? (Kim Carter)
Want More On Linux? Books, Etc..Try thi site ("SEATTLE")
Re: IRQ's (M. Buchenrieder)
Re: Writing CGI Scripts in C and Serving with Apache (L J Bayuk)
Re: newsreader for linux (Jeremiah)
Redhat 5.2 and KDE 1.1 ("RJA")
Re: mirroring/duplexing (Andi Vontobel)
IMPS2 mouse in libc5-based svgalib for Quake -- help! ("jason l. jordan")
Printer and linux ("RJA")
Re: move app to another terminal (John Forkosh)
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From: garv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: newbie: how to get linux
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:08:45 -0800
chun li wrote:
> I jumped into many ftp site, enter /linux/ directory, and was lost in
> finding a linux software to download! I think I'm really stupid? pls
> help
Do it the easy way; spring the $US2.00 and get RH5.2 from cheapbytes.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Oliver Cook)
Subject: Re: IP Masquerading
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 08:42:14 GMT
I have two addresses in my WINs configuration, but no scope ID. Should
I have one of those? Thanks for the idea, though!
Ollie
On Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:03:42 -0600, "Chris Happel"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What you need is to define a WINS server on the other side, and then tell
>your workstation about it (in the network setup). I'm afraid I can't tell
>you if that information will be correctly passed through the masquerading
>software, though. You'll just have to try it, or wait for a better
>suggestion. I have set this up to work through regular routers, with pretty
>good success. (I found that even though I only have one WINS server, I had
>to define it as both the primary and secondary before it would work).
>
>Chris Happel, MCSE
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
><7drc86$3ek$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>
>>I've got IP masquerading to work now (took me a while!). I used to be
>>in a windoze workgroup, but now have my windows computer masked behind
>>the linux box. Is there any way I can get the windows box to see the
>>others in the workgroup? Or am I doomed to a life without my
>>workgroup?
>>Thanks
>>
>>Ollie
>>
>>Please remove the KQENTX before replying by email.
>>
>>***** Posted via the UK Online online newsreader *****
>>
>> Go to http://www.ukonline.co.uk to find out
>> about other online services we offer our subscribers.
>>
>>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JR)
Subject: Re: GPL vs BSD license agreement (source code reuse)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:19:24 GMT
On 30 Mar 1999 01:35:37 -0800, Michael Powe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>> "JR" == <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
<snip>
>
> JR> 3) What motivation is there for creating new software? If all
> JR> developers were forced to use GPL, not very much. If that
> JR> were the case, new software would only come from those
> JR> programmers that compare good code to art. Pushing and
> JR> popping registers, in my opinion is not an art, it is a
> JR> discipline.
>
>"Programming should be from the beginning a creative and literate
>endeavor. Our goal is to expose the reader to the exhilaration of
>reading and creating beautiful programs. These programs should be
>concise in their expression, general in their application, and easily
>understood. These goals are achieved through creative use of
>abstraction techniques that capture recurrent patterns of computation
>and allow them to be simply used."
>
> -- Preface, <Scheme and The Art of Programming>
>
>I would say you don't know too much about `pushing and popping
>registers.'
I had no problem with your post - but you just had to throw a little
personal attack there didn't you? If you would have just said, take
your opinions and shove em you know where.. I would have not minded.
I have been programming in assembler for 14 years. I learned on the
CoCo M6809 and that landed my current job� I am currently very well
versed in Intel x86 family processors. I can take any piece of C/C++
code and turn into assembly (almost in my sleep, not that I want to).
I also know GA900 and the HARRIS/5 assembly languages like the back of
my hand. In fact it probably wouldn't take me more than a few days to
pick up any processors mnemonic set and start coding. Anyway, YES I
DO know something about the stack and pushing and popping and
re-entrance and software interrupts and polling vs hardware
interrupted I/O and flags and clock cycles and real-time programming.
If you want to call that art, then so be it� Just like I don't see
some weird squared shape "architectural" building as art� art is a
painting of a horse, a pond, or a flower� not some algorithm that can
be coded some thousands of different ways (Oh but, my way is art) I
got this job because I know how to code not because I had some high
fluting degree.. not because I can write eloquently or use big words�
but because I know how to code.
>
<snip>
JR
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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 00:33:04 -0500
From: Gary Portnoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: X11Amp
I finally got my Maestro-1 sound card working. Even if it is in 8bit
mode. Now, I can output files to /dev/dsp and /dev/audio. However
when I run x11amp, I get an error of "Couldn't open audio" This doesn't
happen if I am root. When I am root mp3's play fine... Any
suggestions?
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From: "Moribund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help!!! Sun Sparc BIOS!!
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:17:47 -0500
Donn Miller wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hmmm... SPARCs have a BIOS? I thought that only PC's had those?
>Actually, I've heard that Suns & DECs have a BIOS, but it's called
>"firmware" I've used various SPARCs and DECstations back in 1993-1994,
>but never really saw any boot up. (I never really paid attention, since
>it was my first foray into the UNIX world.)
>
It's typically called a PROM. It's the first thing that starts on older
SPARCs (can't comment on the newer ones). They can be setup to go straight
into boot mode though (as in, go to disk one, partition one and start
cranking) so you might not have realized you were being passed through it.
Damond
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Crossposted-To: comp.programming
Subject: Re: C++ Heeeelp!!!!
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 05:37:39 GMT
On Thu, 01 Apr 1999 03:30:09 GMT, No Spam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am wondering if there is a documentation somewhere about using C++ under
>Linux.
There's not much C++ specific information. There's a little here on the
egcs compiler:
http://egcs.cygnus.com/onlinedocs/index.html
>question) is the alternative of Borland's "clrscr" command.
That's not a C++ feature, nor a feature of the standard C++ libraries. See
http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/q19.4.html
>Where can I find
>specific features like these? I am sure a lot of people know otherwise we
>wouldn't have all these wonderful Linux programs :)
See http://members.home.com/davecook/devel/#prog for some links.
You can get lots of info by just typing
info libc
Dave Cook
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From: Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:50:52 -0500
>>> PMFJI: I'm not the original person you desponded to, but some
>>> comments
>>
>>Oh, boy! I'm getting a severe case of deja-vu here!
>
>I know. I saw something like four copies of everything. Like
>someone did a Usenet spew in a really bad way. :-(
You should see the wonderful way Compuserve's Usenet gateway garbles
some of my carefully crafted messages. But then, Compuserve has it's
own discussion forums and I guess they don't want people getting
_too_ keen on the Usenet!
Harry
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From: Peter Kharchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: "playing MPEGs" or "problems with SMP kernel"
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 05:43:44 +0000
Hi,
I've ran into a weird problem when I put a second processor into my
system: When the kernel is running in SMP mode with two processors,
video players don't seem to work. All of them (mpeg_play, MpegTV, xanim)
are showing the same exact problem: they spit out a bunch of frames,
then freeze, then spit out some more and so on.
If I turn off the SMP option and recompile that same kernel, all works
fine. If I run an SMP kernel having just one processor in the system, it
all runs fine too. I have not noticed any other problems running the
system in SMP mode with two processors. I imagine this has something to
do with timings (and yes, I've tried to turn Enhanced Real Time Clock
option, it doesn't help).
I was wondering if anyone else was having a similar problem or has any
suggestions on how to fix this.
(my system is a dual PII-450, and I tried the following kernels: 2.2.5,
2.2.4 and 2.1.132 ... all giving the same results :( )
Thanks in advance for any suggestions,
-peter.
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From: Felix Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: modem problem
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:28:06 +1000
hi all,
Got RH5.2 working OK on my Sony VAIO 505 laptop, although I have
a slight problem with the internal problem (V.90+K56flex).
It dials and connect to my ISP via ppp but when I bring up
netscape 4.08 and start browsing, it always stops half way downloading
a page with, e.g. something like "20% of 20K (stalled)" then nothing
would show up on the browser even I reload ...
Just wondering if it has anything to do with the init string. Any
help/advice
would be grateful or if anyone with a similar setup could show me how I
should
put the init string in for the modem.
Thanks in advance,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Subject: Re: RedHat install aught to be easier
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 01:40:16 -0600
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, Tim Laursen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
spake unto us, saying:
>First of all the procedure of making boot disks should be made easier,
>for example with a Windows install script.
FWIW, the official version of Red Hat 5.x comes with a boot floppy in
the box. There's usually no requirement to create one yourself.
>The next difficulty is the Hard drive repartitioning. Disk Druid is
>pretty mediocre, and fdisk is not exactly user friendly. This needs a
>bit of improvement.
I agree. Personally, I think they should either clean up Disk Druid or
trash it. The Linux fdisk utility is reliable and straightforward.
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WinNT4 + Win95 + PC/GEOS + MacOS + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven!
Dogs come when you call. Cats have answering machines.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Campbell)
Subject: Re: x86config - laptop
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:25:10 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:58:30 -0600, Sankara Gara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>To configure X on Toshiba Satellite Pro - 420 CDT laptop what are the
>vaules for
>the monitor type, sync rate, and mouse type etc. THANKS!
>
I'm not sure how far the 420 CDT differs from the 4000CDT, but have a look
at my website where I have some info about linux on the said machine:
www.achc.demon.co.uk/linux/linux-toshiba.html
Anthony
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From: "Cameron Spitzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: newbie: how to get linux
Date: 31 Mar 1999 00:48:45 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
chun li <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I jumped into many ftp site, enter /linux/ directory, and was lost in
>finding a linux software to download! I think I'm really stupid? pls
>help
>
>
1. You're not stupid. If you were stupid, you would be satisfied
with Microsoft.
2. Linux is a great system but the documentation is not well organized.
You can download a good Linux system from FTP sites, but it is
easy to make a mistake that way. It is much easier to buy
a CD for a few dollars. But before you do that you should read these
three files:
1. Linux "Meta-FAQ" http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/META-FAQ.html
2. Linux Information Sheet http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/INFO-SHEET.html
3. The Linux Distribution HOWTO
http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/Distribution-HOWTO.html
These will help you decide which Linux is right for your needs so you don't
waste time and have a bad experience with the wrong one.
Now I will tell you my experience. I have installed several linuxes
and I use them all the time. There is no best one.
I have had good experiences with Debian, SuSE, and Slackware.
I have had bad experiences with Red Hat, Ygdrassil, and Info-Magic.
But I was familiar with Unix when I started. If I did not know
what to expect it would have been harder.
Cameron
http://petra.greens.org/~cls/
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From: Jim McCusker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: data base
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:44:50 -0500
Christopher Browne wrote:
>
> On Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:54:21 -0500, Rick Knebel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >I would be interested in using a data base on linux.
> >Right now at work I use Access.
> >Is there any comporable GUI database for Linux???
>
> No, there does not exist a comporable GUI database for Linux.
You can look at Tcl for a form designer (Visual Tcl is very nice) and
use a SQL server interface. If you want a local (non server-based
solution) take a look at TclVsdb. It's a simple (but kind of nice)
database library. You can find these at www.neosoft.com. It's more of a
VB environment, but I may work to get these working together a little
better.
Jim
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Spencer
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: How do I ....
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:59:44 GMT
On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 06:43:31 -0500, yan seiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>4) I muddled through the kernel upgrade with no docs. Is there an FAQ
>somewhere on what should be done? I seem to remember reading somewhere
>that kerneld would go away and be replaced with kmod (??) but kerneld
>still seems to get installed on my system. I wonder what else I'm
>missing.
You can find upgrade guidance at www.linuxhq.com. You can also find upgrade
RPMS at
ftp://linux.aiss.uiuc.edu/pub/updates/5.2/kernel-2.2
Dave Cook
--
No Linux for you!
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From: "Anton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Typing accented characters in Linux?
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:45:33 +1200
Hi all,
I've recently installed RH5.1 successfully, learnt a little shell stuff,
played with a few window managers etc. I'm still quite a newbie though.
I have a few questions about accented characters and code pages etc.
For instance, I can get an e-acute by typing ALT-0233 in Windows or going
thru character map if I don't know the code.
How would I type this in Linux?
Are the character sets specified globally in Linux, or is this part of the
window manager config or current shell config?
Will different window managers (or shells) use different methods? Or more
extreme, will different X apps use different methods? If not, would KDE or
Gnome make this more consistent? I have installed KDE 1.1, but I haven't
spent much time in it yet.
Any answers would be appreciated
Thanks
Anton
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kim Carter)
Crossposted-To: alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Where can I download Linux as one compressed file?
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:25:57 +0059
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Dineen) writes:
> A good while ago I got hold of a magazine cover CD with RedHat 4.1 and
> installed it on my PC. I didn't use it very much, though. It couldn't
> read the long filenames on my Windows drives and it was a bitch to set
> up. Now I've seen KDE running on a later version on a computer in a
> university and I'd like to give Linux another go.
< snip>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> David Dineen Fruity Bits
> www.cs.tcd.ie/spinaweb/98_finalists/02_fruitybits/
> ---------------------------------------------------------
Assuming you can get British PC magazines in Ireland, this months PC Plus
(May 1999 issue) has Redhat 5.2 as a cover CD . They are also running a
series on starting Linux - Well worth a look.
HTH
Kim
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From: "SEATTLE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Want More On Linux? Books, Etc..Try thi site
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:07:51 -0700
This site may have the info your seeking
HTH
http://home.att.net/~aubreyb
Click the Linux Link
<snip>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: IRQ's
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:39:43 GMT
"Erik A. Mogensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Is there a way under Linux to see what IRQ's are being used by the
>system? Something similiar to rmview in OS/2 would be great. Is there
>a utility like that fo Linux?
cat /proc/interrupts
Michael
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (L J Bayuk)
Subject: Re: Writing CGI Scripts in C and Serving with Apache
Date: 31 Mar 1999 01:14:40 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I am using the Apache Web Server and Linux. I'm trying to write a CGI
>program in C that does the following:
>
>1. Reads in a file of records (e.g., the cron tab file).
>2. Displays the file to the screen in an HTML form with a couple of
>checkboxes per record, so the user can select records to delete, activate,
>etc.
>3. Has a SAVE button that writes user changes back to a file.
>
>1 and 2 work fine. It's the 3rd item I'm having problems with. The SAVE
>button is pushed and it goes off to execute the CGI program but halts in the
>middle of the program (no errors it just stops before completing the
>program). If I try to open a file using the standard fopen() routine, the
>program dies at that point. If I use strcmp() to compare two strings, it
>dies there. I have tried putting fflush(stdout) before it, after it, lots
>of places, and it still doesn't work.
>
>Could some C CGI guru out there please provide me some pointers as to what I
>am doing wrong or what I need to do to correct this problem.
>
>Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Well, I'm no guru of anything, but it doesn't look like a CGI problem
to me. If the program dies when you call strcmp() or fopen() I would
guess something overran memory and/or the stack or some such thing.
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremiah)
Subject: Re: newsreader for linux
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 01:09:35 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Daniel Franzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake thusly:
> Are there any stable newsreader for linux ? I don't want to use
> communicator anymore , it crashes to often.
I use knews now for precisely that reason... it may not
be the "best" newsreader, but it serves my purposes...
(BTW, the "k" doesn't have anything to do with the
K Desktop Environment...)
Brian
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From: "RJA" <ayadi@~earthlink~.net>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Redhat 5.2 and KDE 1.1
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 05:39:02 -0500
I am trying to install KDE 1.1 on RedHat 5.2 (updated kernel 2.2.4). However
I cannot install as it tells me I do not have Mandrake installed. How do I
get around this?
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From: Andi Vontobel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mirroring/duplexing
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 12:49:57 +0100
Yes, there is something ... raid1 is mirroring
Vasily Ptitsyn wrote:
>
> Hi all !!
>
> Tell me, please, is there any thing like Novell's mirroring/duplexing on
> Linux and where can find details information about that ??
>
> A Lot of Thanks
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From: "jason l. jordan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: IMPS2 mouse in libc5-based svgalib for Quake -- help!
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 02:41:20 -0500
Hi,
Since switching from a serial mouse to a MS wheeled PS/2 mouse (IMPS2
protocol), I have had to upgrade some programs to fix protocol problems,
e.g. gpm. Now it's all fine and dandy, but I want my mouse to work
correctly under Quake. Unforunately, it's not as easy as installing the
latest svgalib RPM, because my system is glibc2-based and I need libc5
libvga.so.* libraries, since that's what squake depends on. My version
of (libc5) svgalib is 1.2.10, but I want to upgrade to 1.3.1 which has
support for the IMPS2 protocol, I believe. (Just using 'PS2' in
/etc/vga/libvga.config won't cut it.) Where can I get pre-compiled
libc5-linked svgalib 1.3.1 binaries? I've tried the 1.4.0pre-whatever
libc5 binaries on the svgalib webpage, but they only make all of my text
consoles blank out permanently, causing me to have to reboot. Thanks in
advance for any help anyone can provide.
Jason
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From: "RJA" <ayadi@~earthlink~.net>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Printer and linux
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 05:43:25 -0500
When I do /proc/devices it does not list lp* as installed. I have tried
recompiling the kernel with make menuconfig (and installing parallel port)
and make dep,...... but I still cannot get the OS to recognize my parallel
port.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Forkosh)
Subject: Re: move app to another terminal
Date: 1 Apr 1999 06:07:17 -0500
Klaus Koch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: is it possible to move a running console-application to another
: terminal?
snip
Sorry I can't help, but it reminds me of _old_ DEC PDP10's
running DecSystem10 operating system, under which the
reattach (I think that was it) command accomplished
exactly what you ask. Of course, the rationale at the
time was that applications ran on _mechanical_ teletypes,
which would frequently jam, and you'd have to run over
to another one and reattach your job.
John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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