Linux-Misc Digest #682, Volume #21 Sun, 5 Sep 99 16:13:14 EDT
Contents:
Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution ("Paul E. Bell")
Can't Creat boot disk/install LILO (Michael)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (Darren Winsper)
Re: dvorak keyboard (Gary Momarison)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (Darren Winsper)
Re: Distributions RH, Suse, Mandrake (Paul Trost)
Re: What are the easiest IRC and email clients for new users? (Flash)
Re: how to make Win98 filesystem compatible with Linux ("Bruce Merry (Entropy)")
Re: good news for small systems regardinging netscape ("sculpin")
Re: full backup minus content of CD ("Bruce Merry (Entropy)")
Re: Bash not running executables ("Bruce Merry (Entropy)")
Re: anyone know how to make system.map? (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Advantage of ext2 over vfat??? ("Bruce Merry (Entropy)")
Re: Hotmail anyone? (Justin B Willoughby)
Re: Best Linux Distro? / Best GUI? (Peter T. Breuer)
Re: Is it possible to rename bunch of files need to left padd to ceratin size (NF
Stevens)
Re: anyone know how to make system.map? (NF Stevens)
Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution (Guy Macon)
Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution (Guy Macon)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (Lizard)
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From: "Paul E. Bell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 12:17:18 -0500
"Jeffrey C. Dege" wrote:
>
> On Sat, 04 Sep 1999 22:07:03 -0500, Paul E. Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Kai Henningsen wrote:
> >
> >> > Also, Amigans are used to being able to dynamically load and unload
> >> > libraries, devices, drivers, etc., can Linux do this as well, or do
> >>
> >> Of course.
> >
> >That's not what I've read here. I have read here that one has to
> >compile a driver into the kernel, or have it merged into the kernel, in
> >order for it to work, and to remove such a driver requires a recompile
> >and/or reboot. Since I have not tried it yet, I don't know from
> >experience, but if this is not the case, it would help make Linux more
> >palatable.
>
> Five years back, all drivers were compiled into the kernel. Module
> support was first introduced about four years back, and has been
> getting more capable and more robust with every release.
>
> You still have the option of compiling drivers into the kernel, and
> there are one or two oddball drivers that can only be linked that
> way, but the great majority of drivers can be dynamically loaded.
Ok, but can they be dynamically unloaded, when no longer needed?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael)
Subject: Can't Creat boot disk/install LILO
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 17:16:48 GMT
Hello:
I am haing a problem when trying to install Linux on my Packard Bell
133, with a 1.2 gig hard drive.
The installation of Mandrake 6.0 seems to go along fine, using their
latest boot image, up until we get to the "make a boot disk" section.
Whenever I try to make a boot disk, it pops up with the error that it
can't make the boot disk, but it never even seems to access the drive.
No drive activity light comes on, nor do I hear it spin at all, and
this error pops up very quickly.
Well, tiring of this nonsense, I skipped a boot disk and went on to
instlal the bootloader (LILO) with the EXACT same thing happening. It
doesn't even seem to look, befor giving up and saying no way.
Two questions:
1) What is this dumb newbie doing wrong, and
2) What should I do to fix this problem?
If you can reply via e-mail I would appreciate it, but please post to
the group to.. I am sure others are having this problem too.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Winsper)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: 5 Sep 1999 18:23:24 GMT
On Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:37:09 +0200, Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Huh? How is lack or abundance of eye candy somehow indicative of how
> modern or not modern something is?
This is the 90s, pengiuns jumping up and down on the screen and an
inaccurate "time left" meter is paramount to the moderness of an OS.
Jeez, you people know nothing...
> Have Newswatcher or Free Agent got the Good Net-Keeping Seal of
> Approval? slrn has.
Wow, a reason to feel smug about using slrn ;)
> > Is it just me, or is X rather, uhm, sluggish? I have a PII 400 and the
> > whole GUI felt like it was running in molasses. Is there some 'trick' to
> > speeding it up?
>
> Use an X server that supports your hardware well. If you don't want to
> buy an X server, buy hardware that is well-supported by XFree86.
Remember, if they bitch about how slow X is and they list their CPU
speed but not graphics card, then they're usually in need of a bashing
from my clue-stick-light-sabre-toy.
> > Directories do not need version names, especially for enduser apps.
>
> Source directories need them. Trust me. I diddle a lot with source; I
> hardly spend a day without compiling a program.
Thank God, I thought I was a freak or something ;)
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"Oh my god, they slashdotted Segfault! You bastard!" - somebody in Slashdot
with regard to a Segfault South Park story.
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Subject: Re: dvorak keyboard
From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 05 Sep 1999 10:20:30 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Doe) writes:
> Does anyone know if linux understands dvorak keyboard?
> Any info on this would be appreciated. I am thinking
> of getting a new keyboard and considering a dvorak.
Look under "Dvorak" in http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/keys.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Winsper)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: 5 Sep 1999 18:23:24 GMT
On Sun, 05 Sep 1999 14:25:38 +0000, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Netscape just plain sucks, but, it sucks least when you get the latest
> of their website. The netscape shipped with distributions usually have
> bugs. Don't ask me why. I have seen this with Mandrake, SuSE, and
> RedHat.
Good news; Mozilla goes beta next month (Touch-wood). It's definately
starting to stabilise (Thank God), I've been hearing a lot of good
things about the latest builds regarding that.
Now, if I can only get apprunner to work on my system (Viewer works
fine, but apprunner gives me an error regarding im-lib).
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Darren Winsper - http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/darren.winsper
Stellar Legacy project member - http://www.stellarlegacy.tsx.org
"Oh my god, they slashdotted Segfault! You bastard!" - somebody in Slashdot
with regard to a Segfault South Park story.
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From: Paul Trost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Distributions RH, Suse, Mandrake
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 17:31:08 GMT
SuSE is a lot more *commercial* distribution. In other words, in my
opinion it is more polished than Red Hat. Most programs RPM's will work in
SuSE or Red Hat, but some there are file libraries that are in different
places in the various distribution and some programs have separate RPM's
for the various distributions. Red Hat RPM's typically come out first with
SuSE following. But as always, you can download the source and compile it
if you can't find a specific RPM. I am very pleased with the new SuSE 6.2.
Paul
ew-goforth wrote:
>
> I was looking over the various distributions available at the
> computer store and noticed Mandrake, which appears to be RH 6.0
> plus some extra stuff, for less than half the price of RH 6.0.
> What's the catch?
>
> I had RH 5.2 on my old HDD and would like to get Linux back and
> running, but I can't see forking over almost $80 for RH 6.2. I
> could just reinstall 5.2, but would like the newer kernel and
> Gnome.
>
> It appears that Red Hat's rpm is more standardized than
> Suse's packager, which would make getting new software easier
> than with Suse. Are there any problems with, say, installing
> Suse 6.2 over RH 5.2? What are the pro's and con's of Suse
> vs. RH?
> --
> Eric Goforth | Senior Applications Programmer | SimTek, Inc.
>
> If you'd like to respond via e-mail remove the what's between ew and
> goforth in my return address to get my real e-mail address.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Flash)
Subject: Re: What are the easiest IRC and email clients for new users?
Date: 5 Sep 1999 19:00:42 GMT
Reply-To: Flash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I have been using Zircon for a couple of years as an IRC client. Some
people don't like it simply beause it is a TCL/TK app, but if you want
something mirc-like, this is about as close as you will get.
I use Pine for email, probably not what you are looking for.
Try KDE's Kmail for Eudora Similarity.
In article <37d2a177.665784@news>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>I'm looking for IRC and email clients for X. I've found some, but don't want to
>try them all to see which are best for my 14 year old daughter. She is familiar
>with mirc and Eudora in Windows. The ability to log sessions on irc is a must.
>
>Any opinions would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
>Wade Segade
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove the obvious)
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From: "Bruce Merry (Entropy)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: how to make Win98 filesystem compatible with Linux
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 20:59:11 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I'm upgrading my Win95 "OS" to Win98. What should (and what should I
> not) do to make sure that all Linux partitions and the data thereon
> survive, and that all data on the Win partition is still readable from
> Linux?
>
> System is RH5.2, KDE, kernel 2.2.
Kernel 2.2 can do FAT32 not problem. Since nobody really knows what the
hell the upgrade really does, I'd say the safest option is to take a
backup of the Linux stuff. You probably want a backup of the Windoze
stuff anyway, in case Win98 decides to go pear shaped (I know about
this; '95 just ignored an extra card I had, but Win98 insists on loading
drivers for it which conflict with Direct3D. I've had to get rid of the
card). However, it is quite likely that Win98 will just ignore the
partitions.
Bruce
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From: "sculpin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: good news for small systems regardinging netscape
Date: 5 Sep 1999 19:05:33 GMT
Ah, *those* were the days.
Chris Sorenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
: Cooper wrote:
:
: > Tell me, did any of you ever browse the internet with Netscape 1?
:
: I remember downloading Mozilla 0.9 in October 1994, when Netscape was
still
: Mosaic Communications.... :)
:
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From: "Bruce Merry (Entropy)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: full backup minus content of CD
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 21:06:36 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Since I will be upgrading a certain OS made by Microsoft on my machine,
> I thought I'd backup my Linux partitions first. Of course the question
> is: How? I don't have a CDR, so must be selective. For example, I am
> interested in backing up all files on the system EXCEPT those that come
> from the Linux CD and are unmodified. How do I find out which ones are?
>
> This selection procedure of course has to be automatic - there's 1000's
> of files on the system.
>
> System is RH5.2, KDE, kernel 2.2.
You might be able to do something by checking timestamps on files. Look
at the man page on the find command for how to check time stamps. You
probably don't need to backup many files that have timestamps older than
your installation (although if you've installed extra packages they
might have maintained their original timestamps).
Bruce
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From: "Bruce Merry (Entropy)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bash not running executables
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 21:14:04 +0200
Scott Prince wrote:
> For some reason I can no longer cd to a directory and just type the
> filename and have it execute. I have to do something like...
>
> 'perl /dir/script.pl'
>
> Have I missed something here or is my shell not behaving properly?
First, try executing it with the full path (i.e. /dir/script.pl instead
of script.pl). Next, check that the header line in the script is correct
(i.e. #!/location/of/perl). Also check your log files to see if the
kernel threw up on the header line. Also check the permissions on the
file (although it sounds like you've done that already).
Bruce
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: anyone know how to make system.map?
Date: 5 Sep 1999 13:23:42 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[posted and e-mailed]
In article <7qtgr7$6j9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Grant wrote:
> I accidentally blew mine away. Unfortunately, I'm in the middle of
> working on a new kernel and I don't want to disturb the existing config,
> Is there some way to generate a new one from an existing kernel?
Of course, you do not need System.map for your system to run,
but if you still have the "vmlinux" file, you can recreate it
using the command in the middle of the toplevel Makefile.
(Search for "System.map".) Use "nm" for "$(NM)" and
"/path/to/vmlinux" for "vmlinux".
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Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Bruce Merry (Entropy)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Advantage of ext2 over vfat???
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 21:30:02 +0200
Jason Bond wrote:
>
> I'm thinking of taking back a vfat partition from
> the evil empire and giving it back to the good.
> But windows doesn't access ext2 partitions (right?)
> and there wouldn't be much room left to work
> in windows (if the terrible day ever came) if I did so.
> Linux can write and read from vfat partitions, so my
> questions is: what [speed, other] benefits
> are there to running linux off of a ext2 partition
> rather than a vfat? Thanks much,
There are a lot of features that vfat doesn't have that Unix in general
needs, such as sockets, symbolic links, named pipes and device files, so
vfat can't be your main filesystem. I use parts of my vfat system to
store individual large files (e.g. Quake pak files, mp3's...). You can
also use UMSDOS (an overlay over MSDOS that lets a directory on your
MSDOS drive seem to have all the usual features), but that's quite slow
and I don't think you can use long file names and UMSDOS together.
Another option worth looking at is a loopback device: You create a file
of however many meg you choose on the VFAT drive, and create an ext2fs
system inside that file. It's probably slower than "real" ext2fs but
faster than using UMSDOS. The downside is that it isn't as easy to
resize (basically create a new, bigger one, move everything across,
delete the old one).
Bruce
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Justin B Willoughby)
Subject: Re: Hotmail anyone?
Date: 5 Sep 1999 18:45:46 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Justin B Willoughby)
Yan Seiner ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> I've been living under a rock for the last 2 weeks - actually, I had 4
> major deadlines, so all I caught of it was a short, non-technical
> blurb. I'd like to get some more info.
did you try /. ?
(eg http://www.slashdot.org)
- Justin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter T. Breuer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Best Linux Distro? / Best GUI?
Date: 5 Sep 1999 18:44:22 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Johnny ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I have to AGREE - Mandrake rules - It seems the"admin" type prefers the
: console - terminal - But for the GUI inclined - We shall all try Mandrake!
I have news for you .. us admin types like to compile our own snapshots
of gnome/kde (and this compilation of corba/mico for kde 2 is at times
dipping into 240MB virtual memory as I speak ...), rather than have to put
up with the stuff buggily cobbled together by mandrake et al. I must have
been running kde about 16 months before anyone put it near a distribution
(yay, let's hear it for Beta3).
But then, we don't have to. Precompiled kde rpms for mandrake, rh, suse are
found on the kde site. Cost = zero. So are .dpg and .tgz files for debian and
sw. What does getting mandrake buy you? You can stick these things on any distro,
if they didn't come as standard, and as far as I know, they are standard with
slackware. It's RH that doesn't have kde onboard (and debian, but the kde .dpkg
stuff works fine).
I.e. you are off base :-).
Oh .. the joys of finally upgrading your 2.7.3 gcc to 2.7.2.3 just so you
don't have to fix the assembler in the mico 2.2.* compile anymore.
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Subject: Re: Is it possible to rename bunch of files need to left padd to ceratin size
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 18:59:44 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (ramdan) wrote:
>I have 3000 files need to make all of them 18 characters in size and left
>padded with zeros if less than 18 characters
>
>is this possible
If the filenames are numeric then you could do something like
for file in *
do
mv $file $(printf "%018n" $file)
done
Norman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Crossposted-To: poster
Subject: Re: anyone know how to make system.map?
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 18:59:45 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Grant) wrote:
>I accidentally blew mine away. Unfortunately, I'm in the middle of
>working on a new kernel and I don't want to disturb the existing config,
>Is there some way to generate a new one from an existing kernel?
System.map is generated by running nm on vmliux (the uncompressed
version of the kernel) and discarding some unwanted symbols.
Check in the top level Makefile (/usr/src/linux/Makefile) for
the details.
Norman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Guy Macon)
Crossposted-To: comp.realtime,comp.os.qnx,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution
Date: 05 Sep 1999 12:38:35 PDT
In article <7qt9f1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Armin@Steinhoff_de (Armin Steinhoff) wrote:
>>Arguing over nanoseconds of latency isn't the point.
>
>Sorry ... IT IS THE POINT!
I agree 100%. QNX is a REAL-TIME operating system. It's fine for a RTOS
vendor to make latency vs. robustness tradeoffs, but discussing such
issues is the the heart and soul of designing a RTOS, using a RTOS, or
carrying on a discussion in comp.os.qnx or comp.realtime.
For the most of the readers of comp.sys.amiga.misc and comp.os.linux.misc
this issue is unimportant, but please realize that QNX users have a
different set of priorities. We need to be able to service real-time
events without ever, ever being late. We need as close to absolute
absence of bugs in the OS and in our applications as possible. I design
systems where IF THE APPLICATION OR OS FAILS SOMEONE WILL DIE. Amiga and
Linux lovers, please read the above twice. If you were writing code that
kills people when it's wrong, (and an unexpected 1 millisecond delay might
be enough to kill), what kind of hardware, operating system, and
application programs would you want to use? This is what QNX is about.
Linux, on the other hand, is about being a great operating system for
the desktop and for various boxes that make the internet work. Each OS
is doing a good job at what it is trying to do.
>I'm very interested for that numbers because if the new LINUX kernel is a FULLY
>PREEMPTIVE MULTI THREADED one ... it must be faster than the QNX4 kernel.
All other things being equal, it *has* to be faster. Change the ability of
the programmers to write fast code or the amount of error checking done or
various other design decisions, and maybe all other things aren't so equal.
Only a real-world test will tell us the answer.
>Has somebody these numbers ???
One person with measured data is worth a thousand opinions without data. ;)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Guy Macon)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution
Date: 05 Sep 1999 12:41:42 PDT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keith
Blakemore-Noble ) wrote:
>> now if I could get the guys at work to pronounce GIF as "jiff",
>> rather than "giff"...
>
>Argh, nooo!!!
>
>It's Gif, not jif!!
>
>(Unless, of course, one chooses to pronounce "graphic" [the first word
>in "gif"] as "jraphic", perhaps? :) ).
Not a good idea. Remember what happened in the movie "Jraphic Park"?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lizard)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: 5 Sep 1999 19:04:22 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Winsper) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Remember, if they bitch about how slow X is and they list their CPU
>speed but not graphics card, then they're usually in need of a bashing
>from my clue-stick-light-sabre-toy.
PII 400, ATI Rage PRO Turbo w/8 Meg.
(Upgrading X+Gnome helped considerably with the speed issue, and with
Netscape crashing...)
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