Linux-Misc Digest #690, Volume #19 Thu, 1 Apr 99 21:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: Changing Disk Partition size? ("Spud")
Re: Microsoft Patents Open-Source (Barry Margolin)
Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0 (Enkidu)
Re: MBR,Lilo,Red Hat 5.2,Installation (Andreas Schyman)
Re: Can't compile kernel-2.2.5 on rh5.2 (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the (Ewan Dunbar)
Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0 (Matthias Warkus)
Re: fun with [MS] spellcheckers... (Bob Schreibmaier)
O/s Sw ("Amanda")
Re: VMWARE -- why isn't it the rage topic of discussion? (Kenny McCormack)
backup hardware and Linux (Matthew Hixson)
Re: cpio+linux+hpux ("BEA-Conseil")
Re: Caps Lock and Control Key (Erik Fortune)
Re: GNOME compliant window manager - not - help on E setup (Steve Conover)
Re: No-Win Modem Situation (James Lee)
module configuration ("Troy Wolf")
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Spud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Changing Disk Partition size?
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 20:48:24 GMT
Yes, if you use a program such as Partition Magic or FIPS. Using fdisk
will destroy data.
>can I alter the partition sizes without destroying the data
>contained on them? I'm filling up usr/ really fast and that
>285MB I allocated to usr/src is looking mighty wasted...
>
>thanks
>keith
>
>--
>Keith E. Jennings
>THE Funkomatic
------------------------------
From: Barry Margolin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,rec.humor,ox.os.linux
Subject: Re: Microsoft Patents Open-Source
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 00:30:08 GMT
In article <8wRM2.958$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <OoRM2.179$kM2.33262@burlma1-snr2>,
>Barry Margolin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Sometimes funny is enough.
>
>Well, it is for, say, rec.humor, but it's not the point of April Fools' day.
>AFD is a modernized version of an ancient Pagan holiday, and it's *very*
>important, spiritually, that you *actually* fool people. Just being silly
>is disrespectful of the spirits of people who have been tricked into doing
>stupid things and died.
I don't think I've ever been fooled by an April Fools Day Usenet posting or
RFC. Do you think RFC 2550 (about solving the Y10K problem) will really
fool anyone? Do you think anyone was seriously fooled by RFC 1097, Telnet
subliminal-message option or RFC 1149, Standard for the transmission of IP
datagrams on avian carriers (interestingly, the standard for transmission
of IP over Ethernet was also published on AFD -- did we actually go ahead
and implement that joke)?
The closest thing to a believable AFD post was the original kremvax
message. But in general, what we generally get are things that look
superficially like normal messages (press releases, RFCs in appropriate
layout, etc.) but when you actually read them the fake is usually pretty
obvious to anyone with half a clue. Joke RFC's are generally frowned upon,
but AFD is the one day a year when they're allowed (1991 actually had two
of them). If this is disrespectful, so be it.
I used to get my coworkers every year with an easy one: an email (or
announcement at a staff meeting if it happens to coincide with April 1)
that I'm leaving the group or company. It's plausible because it's so
simple, but certainly not interesting enough for posterity, like a good AFD
RFC.
--
Barry Margolin, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GTE Internetworking, Powered by BBN, Burlington, MA
*** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups.
Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group.
------------------------------
From: Enkidu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 12:52:53 +1200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bill Anderson wrote:
>
> The developers at RH *do* produce code. They *do* do more than
> just collect Linux apps into one.
> Various things they do have been pointed out here in this thread.
> Among them are sysadmin apps, and the install process, as well
> as RPM itsself.
> To ignore these facts, and claim they do nothing other than
> collect stuff, is to appear foolish.
>
Are you suggesting that the Redhat sysadmin apps, install process
etc are *essential* to run Linux? If so you are wrong. All they do
is tie you in to doing it the Redhat way!
Cliff
------------------------------
From: Andreas Schyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: MBR,Lilo,Red Hat 5.2,Installation
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:06:51 +0000
Jas Sandhu wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> what exactly is the MBR (Mater Boot Record)?
The MBR is the first sector of the first drive (i.e. hda aka c:). The
one that is connected to IDE 0 if it is a IDE-drive. This sector is the
one that is booted after BIOS has completed its check.
> I am trying to install Redhat 5.2.
> When Lilo is installed and asks where to install
> the bootloader the 2 options are:
> 1. MBR
> 2. 1st sector of boot partition.
>
> if you chose option 1 and have Win 98 already on the
> machine, will this mess WIn 98 up in some way??
No, the thing that will happen is that LILO writes in the MBR, and by
loading LILO you will be given the choice to either load Linux or an
other OS (such as Win98)
> if you chose option 2 (as i chose) Lilo does not
> start up and the PC boots straight to Win 98.
> (i have to use the floppy linux boot disk and
> reboot to bootup).
>
> so should i chose option 1?
Yes, it is nearly failsafe. I have never encountered any problems with
it, and if anything happens you can erase LILO from the MBR by booting
from a DOS-floppy and doing fdisk /mbr as you say.
>
> and since i chose option 2, how can i make the
> 1st sector of the linux boot partition the active
> partition.
> i've read that running fdisk \mbr will clear the mbr
> and then the mbr can be set to the 1st sector of the
> linux root partition, but can somebody explain how?
To change your LILO-installation you have to, as root, edit the first
line of your LILO configuration file (/etc/lilo.conf). It says:
boot=/dev/hda3 (or something like that. The "hda3"-part is where
LILO currently is installed.)
You should change it to:
boot=/dev/hda (even if the original line said something like
/dev/hdb2 it shall say /dev/hda here.)
Then you save the file and type:
/sbin/lilo
at the prompt to install LILO to the new location (the MBR in this
case).
Note that typing just "lilo" will probably give you the same result, but
if you are su-ing then /sbin won't be in your path. If you didn't fully
understand the last sentence, just ignore it.
> can you please email me as well as the list.
> thanks
> jas
Well, there you go. It should work good if you have IDE-drive(s). I
assume you do.
Good luck.
Andreas.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Can't compile kernel-2.2.5 on rh5.2
Date: 1 Apr 1999 20:05:34 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, St�phane Huguet wrote:
> I also would like to know were to find bzip2 - in the
> kernel-upgrade-howto it is recommended to install it in order to make an
> eventual bzImage (big zImage ?)
This is wrong. bzImage has nothing to do with bzip or bzip2.
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
------------------------------
From: Ewan Dunbar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 18:47:14 -0500
Harry wrote:
> The editor that comes up when I use mc doesn't expect me to type
> "i" to put it in insert mode. vi does. vim/gvim I dunno - have
> never investigated it.
vim still uses the vi interface. You have to switch modes.
There are two kinds of people when it comes to computers: people who are
afraid of them and people who aren't. When people who are afraid of
computers learn something, they stick with it, and don't move up any
higher because, naturally, they are afraid to. People who aren't, however,
end up in Linux.
> BTW NT is just software. Politics is between humans.
The Microsoft issue and such, however, are the computing world's answer to
politics.
================================================
Ewan Dunbar
================================================
Visit Preston Manning: Action Hero at
http://earl.thedunbars.com/pmah/index.html
================================================
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:16:49 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:22:09 +1200...
..and Enkidu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Johan Kullstam wrote:
> >
> > Enkidu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Bloatware. I suppose you'd go for it if someone were to meet you
> > > at the door of the supermarket, sent you round to the exit, and
> > > insisted that you take a trolley, packed the way that *they*
> > > decide is best.
> >
> > no one makes you install these things.
> >
> No indeed, but lots of people do. Lots of people also install
> Microsoft products too.
>
> All RedHat does is pull together a consistent set of stuff so that
> people don't have to do it themselves. That's good. But to suggest
> that they actually add value apart from that is rubbish.
Of course they add value. The fact that all the diverse stuff is
working together smoothly is added value already. NB they throw in
stuff like a package management system, a bunch of configuration
utilities etc. etc. - in my book, this is added value.
mawa
--
When you look at yourself in an aberrational mirror, you see your real
self, looking back at the twisted you.
-- Dr. (?) Bob Miller, "The Aberrational View of the Universe",
Twisted Science, Heat, National Public Radio
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Schreibmaier)
Subject: Re: fun with [MS] spellcheckers...
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:35:00 GMT
In article <7ds4ag$27e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Tom Emerson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>: products, or whatever does MS try to "subvert" by auto-correcting to
>: otherwise random and meaningless words? What gems have you run across?
>: So now I wonder -- what other common unix/linux commands, programs,
>
>Once got ANSI -> ANUS in a MS-Word spell check.
Of course, if you go beyond the MS Word spell check and try for the
thesaurus...
Type the following into MS Word:
Unable to follow directions
Highlight the entire phrase, then click on Tools and Thesaurus
(shift F7). MS Word Thesaurus comes up with a number of possible
alternatives, but the best synonym is:
Unable to have an erection
I think Bill programmed this one personally. 8^{)
Bob
--
+--------------------------------------------------------+
| Bob Schreibmaier K3PH | E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
| Kresgeville, PA 18333 | ICBM: 40o55'N 75o30'W |
+--------------------------------------------------------+
------------------------------
From: "Amanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: O/s Sw
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:06:50 +0700
Anybody can inform to me where I can get Linux O/s for free. First I want to
start to learn and install it and later I will proceed for lisence
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenny McCormack)
Subject: Re: VMWARE -- why isn't it the rage topic of discussion?
Date: 1 Apr 1999 15:15:37 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>> I'm quite surprised that VMWARE (www.vmware.com) isn't
>> being discussed much. I've been waiting years for just
>> such a thing. I can now run windows98 under linux, and
>> run quicken, office97, solitaire :-), or anything else
>> I want (except directx games...yet), without rebooting.
>>
>> Vmware simply rocks.
>
>most people i know are somewhat discouraged by the resources needed, but
>then just ignore it when they see the pricetag, esp with wine making such
>rapid process.
Well, ...
There's a few ways to look at this. Yes, we all know that Windows is stupid
and in terms of functionality, there's no reason to run it. Unless, of
course, you have a digital camera or some other piece of weird hardware, for
which there aren't and never will be programs/drivers for the non MS platforms.
But, that aside, the real issue for many people (not us hackers, of course,
but other people in the Linux camp) is getting Linux in the door of
corporate America. Think of it as being like a resume. If the first line
of Linux's resume doesn't include the words "Runs Office 97", it (the resume)
will quickly find its way into the circular file.
It is also true that emulators (which is to say, any non-native MS platform),
such as Win/OS2, WINE, etc, will:
1) Never really work (as my wife puts it, "there's always a gotcha")
2) Be sidelined by MS (e.g., the 512M bug that breaks OS/2) if they do
ever become anything of a threat.
So, VMWARE holds promise in that you are running the native, MS-blessed OS
on an (almost native, almost MS-blessed hardware platform)
Of course, I am sure that MS will eventually find a way to break it,
but at least the potential is there - potential which will never be
there with an emulator.
BTW, how is WINE doing? Still alpha? Been a while since I last played with it.
BTW2, I just bought a PII/350, 128M machine, primarily to try out VMWARE.
Is that enough?
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:05:06 -0800
From: Matthew Hixson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: backup hardware and Linux
I was wondering what sort of backup hardware people are using with
Linux. I am looking for some sort of a tape backup device, preferably
SCSI. I will be needing to backup about 60GB of data on a weekly
basis. Any thoughts on this? I am also considering going with the Jaz
drive since it would be much faster to pull backups off of there if I'm
looking for something in particular.
Thanks in advance,
-M@
--
Matthew Hixson - CIO
FroZenWave Communications
------------------------------
From: "BEA-Conseil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cpio+linux+hpux
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:26:44 +0200
In fact, the missing thing is that I don't know the syntax for CPIO and how
to find the archive's name.
When I type
#mt - f /dev/st0 rewind, the tape rewind,
then I type
#cpio -ivB </dev/st0 and the DAT is ejected.
Does anybody have got an idea in order to restore the files ?
Bruno
------------------------------
From: Erik Fortune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Caps Lock and Control Key
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 21:17:50 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Scott Kruger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a way to have what is now my Caps Lock key become my Control
> key and vice versa?
Add:
XkbOption "crtl:swapcaps"
to the keyboard configuration section in your
XF86Config.
This won't work if you use XkbDisable or if you
specify a keymap explicitly with "XkbKeymap"
(you should be able to just remove XkbKeymap if it's
there).
-- Erik
+---------------+------------------------------------------+
| Erik Fortune | "Things always work when they're pointed |
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | at your face" -- Jake Johannsen |
+---------------+------------------------------------------+
============= Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ============
http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Conover)
Subject: Re: GNOME compliant window manager - not - help on E setup
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 00:04:08 GMT
Hi all,
I just got Linux a few days ago, and I'm reading through "Running Linux"
before I do anything radical. I have some experience with AIX so this isn't
toally foreign to me...
Right now I'm running fvwm and connecting to my ISP, which to me are 2 big
accomplishements and I'm way ahead of schedule already.
I want to run Enlightenment and Gnome, etc. I'm thinking about trying to
install everything this weekend. I tried d/l'ing all the dependent rpm's the
other day, though, and did rpm -Uvf to install, however I somehow have even
newer versions of lots of the programs and libraries on my computer (I got
RedHat 5.2). How did this happen? Does E/gnome depend on some older libs and
toolkits and such?
Also I am hesitant to forcably overwrite these libraries, etc since other
things seems to depend on them. Should I really be concerned about this? If
so, how should I go about installing?
Also, is there and good HOWTO on installing gnome & E? (I suspect not, but I
figured I'd give it a try). I've already looked at "One long night" on the E
site, but that didn't really help much.
TIA,
Steve
In article <7dg7gc$qqn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, lisa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> This answers the question right here; I'm glad I asked for this info...
>>
>> You have a *really old* version of Enlightenment. Almost 9 months old; one
>> can gestate a human baby in that time, and "Rasterman" has generated a whole
>> lot of updates since last July.
>>
>> Get a newer version; version 0.15.3 is the latest that I'm aware of; and you
>> should have substantially better results.
>>
>> One place you can locate "latest and greatest" stuff in RPM form is
>> <http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/ByDate.html>; that page indicates the March
>> 19th release of an RPM for E version 0.15.3-6.
>>
>> Head to that URL, grab E, as well as the nearby "configuration applet," and
>> give it a shot. Note that you could also use recent versions of
>> WindowMaker, which I much prefer, and which is greatly less consumptive of
>> system resources than E...
>>
>>
>Christopher,
>
>Thank You, Enlightenment is working like a champ!!!! I'm so excited! Now,
>onto configuring my .bashrc! wheeeee!
>
>lisa
>
>-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
>http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
------------------------------
From: James Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: No-Win Modem Situation
Date: 31 Mar 1999 16:54:09 -0600
Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Not really. All *external* modems are (and always will be) Linux
: friendly.
Is this always true? I did a quick search on pricewatch.com for
external modems, and one came up with a "External Fax/Modem (Windows
Version)". The USBs all say Windows, and I know Linux isn't ready for
it yet. But does non-USB external modem really = linux friendly?
------------------------------
From: "Troy Wolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: module configuration
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:05:57 -0600
"...unresolved symbol..."
Installed RH5.2 Linux, configured it for 2 nics. The only configuration I
had to do was this:
file: /etc/conf.modules
added: alias eth1 3c509
I also created an /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 file so I
wouldn't have to manually ifconfig the interface every time.
I also used 'route' to update the routing information.
Then I researched to find out how to create a firewall. I think I want a
"transparent-proxy". My research told me I would need the IPCHAINS utility
and to get it, I'd have to upgrade my kernel so I upgraded to 2.2.4. I also
installed modules-2.0.0. (I'm assuming this is the modules to use since it
was the latest available at the time.) After several hours of learning how
to configure and compile a kernel and modules, I am left with a system that
does not load the modules. NONE of my modules load, so I'm hoping it's a
simple problem. I performed all the following without any apparent errors:
make xconfig
make dep
make clean
make modules
make modules_install
make zImage
depmod -a
cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/zImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.4
edited /etc/lilo.conf to see the new kernel
lilo
reboot
I also added a script that upon booting performs depmod -a, kerneld.
Please help.
Troy Wolf
X=""
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
------------------------------
** FOR YOUR REFERENCE **
The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests
to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is:
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via:
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites:
ftp.funet.fi pub/Linux
tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux
sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
End of Linux-Misc Digest
******************************
