Linux-Misc Digest #690, Volume #27 Sun, 22 Apr 01 17:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Building from the bottom up... (J Hayward)
Re: Life-expectancy of Linux vs BSD (John Hasler)
Re: Oh boy, here goes another install,... (kurt seel)
Re: Interesting failure rebooting LINUX (Dougie Richardson)
Re: how to limit resources used by users? (Markku Kolkka)
Cloning drives w/ Different geometry? ($[EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: bash : something like ls | grep "^b" in csh (David Efflandt)
Re: Netscape 4.77 *after* Netscape 6.01 ?! (.)
Re: error when mounting FAT32 partition: kernel: fatfs: bogus cluster size (David
Efflandt)
Re: Partition questions... (Dave Uhring)
Re: Cloning drives w/ Different geometry? ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Programs start slow (Jean-David Beyer)
Re: Oh boy, here goes another install,... (David Efflandt)
What program languages (or tools) are X-apps written in ? ("tvn")
Re: What program languages (or tools) are X-apps written in ? ("Rolf Marvin B�e
Lindgren")
Re: What's the difference between 2.4.2 & 2.4.3 ? (David Efflandt)
Re: Problem with: PPPD dying with HangUp (SIGHUP) (Marc Mims)
Re: Balsa wont send (Rick)
Re: gnome & gnucash (Michael Powe)
Re: Strange Mozilla plugins problem ("D. D. Brierton")
Re: gnome & gnucash (Michael Powe)
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From: J Hayward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Building from the bottom up...
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:08:06 -0700
Hello Michael,
http://www.linuxfromscratch.com/
Regards,
Jim H
Michael Pye wrote:
> I've been experimenting with Redhat 7 for a little while now, but I am a
> very technically minded user and I am about to have a P100 drop off the
> bottom of my home network a new machine arrives and all the others are
> shunted down.
>
> So, I want to really get to know Linux and I can't think of a better way
> than to try and build a working system from the kernel up until it is
> suitable for use as a local web server with apache, mySQL, PHP and co.
>
> I'm looking for a little information before I start. Firstly, where to I
> begin. I will have a system with an empty hard disk. I will also have a
> machine connected to the net with floppies and a CD burner for
> transferring larger files to the new machine so there is not a problem
> there, but what do I start with?
>
> I assume I will need an x86 binary distribution of a very basic kernel,
> bash shell and ANSI compiler tools to actually make the system move (small
> / basic is beautiful, I will compile up to date ones from source when I
> have a basic system) as well as a boot disk with disk druid / fdisk (I
> don't mind as the system will be clean. Nothing there to mess up...) and a
> formatter.
>
> What have I missed? I have never tried this before and I am willing to put
> time in. I also consider myself a highly competent computer user, though
> not very experienced in Linux. The latter shouldn't matter, the point of
> the exercise is to gain experience whether it works in the end or not...
>
> Thanks in advance for help / hints. Rest assured you will hear from my
> again as I progress :)
>
> Cheers
>
> MP
>
>
>
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Life-expectancy of Linux vs BSD
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:34:55 GMT
Robert Heller writes:
> All it would take is a major local disaster in a small town in the state
> of Washington for the source code for MS-Windows to be lost...
I find it hard to believe that even MS doesn't have off-site storage.
Of course, the source might not be of much use if no one alive understands
it.
Oh. Wait...
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: kurt seel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Oh boy, here goes another install,...
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:41:41 GMT
Arctic Storm wrote:
> I have two computers; main & testing.
> Recently, there has been a lot of "new releases" of OS's.
> There was Suse 7.1, and when RedHat 7.1 came out, I had to test it, and
> very soon thereafter, Mandrake 8.0 came, so naturally, I had to test it.
> On 20.APR.2001, FreeBSD 4.3 was released, so I must again wipe out my hard
> drive and try out FreeBSD 4.3. My guess is that when RedHat 7.2 comes out,
> that's what'll take the place in my main computer.
I don't know the purposes you have, but for me this is what I do.
I installed vmware from ports, and purchased a license. Whenever
an OS i am interested in releases a new rev, I install it into a virtual
machine and kick the tires. My real host machine is always
*-STABLE, sometimes even a rev back. As a rule, if I can't
identify a feature the new rev has and I need, I stay put.
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From: Dougie Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Interesting failure rebooting LINUX
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:09:36 +0100
Salim Douba wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This is how the partition table looks like:
>
> Command (m for help): p
>
> Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 524 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes
>
> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
> /dev/hda1 * 1 181 1453851 83 Linux
> /dev/hda2 182 199 144585 82 Linux swap
> /dev/hda3 200 523 2602530 7 HPFS/NTFS
>
> Please note that the disk was intended for dual boot wint Windows NT.
> However, even when I tried LINUX only i had the same results.
>
> Salim
Where are you installing LILO during installation, target partition
(/dev/hda1) or MBR?
--
Dougie Richardson //================================
//
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From: Markku Kolkka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how to limit resources used by users?
Date: 22 Apr 2001 21:54:10 +0300
Calder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hello,
> How can I limit a CPU time and amount of memory used by single user on a linux
> server? I don't want it to be stuck by some zealous young experimentators ;-)
> Can someone guide me where I should look for information about this matter?
See the bash shell reference manual, look for builtin command "ulimit"
--
Markku Kolkka
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: $[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cloning drives w/ Different geometry?
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:11:59 GMT
I'm trying to clone a 6 GB hd to a 10GB hd w/ DD. I don't mind if the other
4gb is not used.
The problem is that the geometry is different, and the cloning is not
proper. I am DD'ing with a bs of 1024k.
How do I work around this?
--
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It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.shell,comp.os.linux.nelp
Subject: Re: bash : something like ls | grep "^b" in csh
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:24:56 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 10:56:17 +0200, Alex Vinokur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How to do in bash something like ls | grep "^b" in csh.
>
> bash doesn't know what is "^b"
What is different about the output? It works the same for me in bash or
csh. Maybe your /etc/bashrc or ~/.bashrc has an alias for 'ls' that makes
it do something different. For example if you use --color option make
sure it is 'auto' and NOT 'always'.
See if this works: ls --color=never | grep "^b"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Netscape 4.77 *after* Netscape 6.01 ?!
Date: 22 Apr 2001 19:24:27 GMT
John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Arctic Storm wrote:
>
>> Netscape 6.01 has been out for quite some time now, but Netscape 4.77 was
>> just released. Netscape 4.77 following 6.01?! What?!
>> Is 6.0x a descendant of 4.7x, or is 6.0x a divergent of 4.7x line?
> Netscape 4.77 addresses a JavaScript security issue in the v4.x
> series. Netscape 6.01 is a dramatic rewrite of the whole browser
> based on the Mozilla project.
"based"?
It IS the mozilla project, entirely unchanged.
It even leaves buggering on by default; and they didnt even have the decency
to change debug messages by ONE character.
=====.
--
"Great babylon has fallen, fallen, fallen;
Jerusalem has fallen, fallen, fallen!
The great, Great Beast is DEAD! DEAD! DEAD! DEAD!"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: error when mounting FAT32 partition: kernel: fatfs: bogus cluster size
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:32:11 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Carsten Cimander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I installed SuSE Linux 7.1 (kernel 2.4.0) on my box.
> Using the preconfigured Icon "Windows_C" on my desktop I manage to mount
>
> /dev/hda2 as vfat successfully:
> # mount
> ...
> /dev/hda2 on /windows/C type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=me)
> ...
>
> When trying the same with /dev/hda7 supposed to be /windows/D i failed
> getting the error:
> kernel: fatfs: bogus cluster size
> kernel: VFS: Can't find a valid MSDOS filesystem on dev 03:07
Is the partition formatted. Check the output of 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' to
see if you got the right partition.
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From: Dave Uhring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Partition questions...
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 14:36:41 -0500
dmayo wrote:
> Halloo!
>
> I recently installed Red Hat Linux 7.0 on my laptop(233 MMX, 3GBHDD,
> 64MBRAM). It's up and running, and apart from the backspace and delete
> keys which I cannae figure how to fix... the rest is fine. However, I've
> started reading the Linux System Administration Guide (thanx to all of you
> who recommended me good books to read!!). I am a newbie, of course! I was
> reading on Partitions where it says that you could have more than one
> Primary Partition on your HDD. Is this really possible?
> I used MSDOS fdisk for making my partitions (expecting to get Partition
> Magic this week). I have the following
> Primary 35% (1GB)-where Windows 98 is sitting
> Extended 65% of which
> Logical 1 (d:) 50% (1GB) - used for data
> Logical 2 (e:) 50% - this one is now with Linux native (1GB)- no
> longer
> called e:
>
> The question is:
> Could I reduce (using Partition Magic, or fdisk) the size of logical 1 to
> say, half it's actual size in order to increase the space given to Linux?
> I have intentions of extending it's use. Gonnae get StarOffice soon
> too.... basically, I want to transform gradually my Microsoft PC into a
> Red Hat Linux machine. I am still learning at this stage.
>
> Ta very much!
>
> PD: If someone could help me with the backspace and delete keys...
> strongly appreaciated!!
>
> Dave Mayo
>
>
>
With that small drive, forget about installing StarOffice. I don't
remember what it takes in Linux, but in Solaris the /usr/local/office52
directory has 509342 bytes in it. Larger drives are available cheaply.
The backspace/delete key problem is fixed in several ways depending on
which terminal or console you are using. For instance, with xterm, hold
down the left Control key while depressing the left mouse button. You get
a menu; move the cursor to the Backarrow Key and release the mouse button.
For shrinking that e: drive in Windows, Partition Magick works without
destroying the data that is in it. Then you can use fdisk to add and type
the new partition for Linux. Then you will have to create a new fs on the
partition and add it to your /etc/fstab.
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cloning drives w/ Different geometry?
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:39:20 GMT
$[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm trying to clone a 6 GB hd to a 10GB hd w/ DD. I don't mind if the other
> 4gb is not used.
> The problem is that the geometry is different, and the cloning is not
> proper. I am DD'ing with a bs of 1024k.
Geometry does not affect copying. Only the bios/boot sequence (and fdisk/lilo)
cares about c/h/s. You and linux don't.
> How do I work around this?
There is nothing to work around. It's a fact that the geometries are
different. But it doesn't cause any problems, since nobody cares. If
for some reason you want things to look ok when you run fdisk, then
change the geometries so that all but the cylinder counts match.
Peter
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From: Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux
Subject: Re: Programs start slow
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:51:53 -0400
Ernest wrote:
>
> "E J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Run 'top' when you are running the eth interface
> > and run 'top' when you are not running the eth interface.
> > Find the vampire process sucking the life out of Gnome.
>
> What is "top?" Many of my apps are opening slowly also, so I'm interested in
> trying your suggestion.
>
1.) Please do not post to so many newsgroups. People might think you
are a spammer. Pick the most suitable and post your question there.
2.) man top
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/V\ Registered Machine 73926.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey http://counter.li.org
^^-^^ 3:50pm up 1 day, 22:16, 4 users, load average: 2.06, 2.09, 2.09
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: Oh boy, here goes another install,...
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:53:31 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Arctic Storm
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have two computers; main & testing.
> Recently, there has been a lot of "new releases" of OS's.
> There was Suse 7.1, and when RedHat 7.1 came out, I had to test it, and
> very soon thereafter, Mandrake 8.0 came, so naturally, I had to test it.
> On 20.APR.2001, FreeBSD 4.3 was released, so I must again wipe out my hard
> drive and try out FreeBSD 4.3. My guess is that when RedHat 7.2 comes out,
> that's what'll take the place in my main computer.
All you really need is a big enough drive on one computer. I set up a
couple of 16 MB /boot partions 1st on hda which I can use for LILO
(instead of the MBR). One LILO can boot to another LILO (or Windows)
and if something gets totally hosed, I can just switch the active boot
partition to the other /boot (or Windows).
Actually I can currently boot to:
hda Win98se, SuSE 7.1 plus unused /boot & partitions for another distro
hdb Mandrake 7.0, FreeBSD 4.0, and ext2 partition (archive)
hdc RedHat 6.1
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From: "tvn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: What program languages (or tools) are X-apps written in ?
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:57:28 -0400
Hello, I am an api, mfc windows programmer and recently just try to play
around with linux - unix. I am running rh and freebsd now. I noticed there
are 3 categories the nix apps are divided in - console, kde , gnome and X .
As far as I know, X is the the standard for both Linux and Unix. So I am
wondering what programming languages are used to make these X - apps. And
could someone explain to me further about QT and GTK because I heard about
them but not really sure what they are for. Thanks
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From: "Rolf Marvin B�e Lindgren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What program languages (or tools) are X-apps written in ?
Date: 22 Apr 2001 22:03:54 +0200
[tvn]
| As far as I know, X is the the standard for both Linux and Unix.
there is no Linux _and_ UNIX. UNIX is a method for making operating
systems. Linux has been built using that method. UNIX is also a
standard that an operating system can be certified against. Linux is
not a certified UNIX, but for all practical purposes that is no reason
not to call Linux a UNIX.
| So I am wondering what programming languages are used to make these X
| - apps.
any.
X was written in C, but you can use most any language you like.
Gnome and KDE run on top of X and depend on X. if no X, then no Gnome
and no KDE.
| And could someone explain to me further about QT and GTK because I
| heard about them but not really sure what they are for.
they are programming libraries, both written in C++ if I remember
correctly.
--
Rolf Lindgren http://www.roffe.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: What's the difference between 2.4.2 & 2.4.3 ?
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:07:19 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Frightend of Spam
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What's the difference between the kernel versions 2.4.2 and 2.4.3 ?
> Is it an issue of stability, or functionality?
> www.kernel.org has some info, but not very detailed.
> It'll say something like, "another null bytes bug", or something like that,
> which has little significance to an end user.
> Where can I find some information regarding these "small" upgrades?
One thing that apparently got broken in 2.4.2 (that worked in 2.4.0) was
the loopback device that is used to mount iso files for testing (if you do
any CD burning). There was either a 2.4.2 patch for that or 2.4.3 fixes
it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marc Mims)
Subject: Re: Problem with: PPPD dying with HangUp (SIGHUP)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:11:22 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joachim Aurbacher wrote:
>Hello,
>
>i 've got a similar problem as Bill as well.
>My system ist RH 6.2 with kernel 2.2.5-15 and pppd 2.3.7 with KDE (kppp
>1.6.10).
>When dialing up with kppp pppd dies unexpectedly without any obvious
>reason few
>seconds after connect.
>(/var/log/messages: Hangup (SIGHUP)) This ist the same with all
>providers.
>
>I have tryed everything the kppp-help says (kppp and pppd setuid root,
>no lock,
>/dev/ttyS0 instead of /dev/modem, wait 1 second, send ppp ) but it still
>does
>not work.
>
>I can although dial up to just one provider (ras.uni-hohenheim.de) with
>netcfg
>but all the other providers don't work in this manner neither. Within
>MS-Windows everything works well.
>
>What can I still do? I would appreciate any help
>
>Joachim Aurbacher
>
>
>Bill Unruh wrote:
>
>> In <3ad83846@grissom> "Greg Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> >When dialling up to the Internet, it connects ok, sometimes after a redial
>> >or retrain (don't worry about that, i'll try some modem strings or
>> >something). Sometimes it drops out. The log (/var/log/messages) doesn't
>> >give an termination signal, it says Hangup (SIGHUP).
>>
>>
Whenever I've had this problem, it has been because my ISP's
authentication server is down. Check /var/log/ppp. If you start pppd
with the debug option, you may discover the source of the problem
using the ppp log. It shows much more detail than /var/log/messages.
It might also indicate that you're ISP expects CHAP and your're
configured for PAP, or vice versa.
-Marc
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc
Subject: Re: Balsa wont send
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 16:15:17 -0400
Wayne Osborn wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > I cant seem to send mail with Balsa. At least I cant send it to my self.
> > I address an email to myself and send it. It doesnt show up on my ISP's
> > mail server. I can receive mail Or, I think I can. Balsa wants to DL
> > something like 300+ messages.
> >
> > Any and all help appreciated.
> >
>
> First things first, check your Balsa Preferences:
>
> Remote Mailbox Servers: "Inbox" - You should have your ISP's POP3 mail server URL
>here,
> port (usually 110) and your account logon/password.
>
There is no "inbox" to configure for the mail server. My ISP's server
URl is listed in Malibox configurator server:. THe port is 110
> Local Mail: Select "Remote SMPT Server" - Specify the URL of your ISP's mail
> server, also the SMPT port (25).
>
Local Mail is delivered to the inbox in another folder. I can receive
mail. The port is port 25.
> I hope this helps.
>
> --
> Wayne A. Osborn, SCADA Engineer.[dnar AT iinet DOT net DOT au]
> Registered Linux User #212818. [2.2.16-22-Win4Lin-686] [i686]
> 12:50am up 1:14, 1 user, load average: 1.01, 1.05, 1.01
> ...In less than a century, computers will be making substantial progress on
> ... the overriding problem of war and peace.
> -- James Slagle
--
Rick
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: gnome & gnucash
Date: 22 Apr 2001 12:15:16 -0700
>>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Gerald> On 18 Apr 2001, Michael Powe wrote:
>> The bottom line is, I'm going to wind up using MS Money for my
>> financials because all I have to do is stick in a CD & in ten
>> minutes, I'm working on my dollars & not on the damned
>> software.
Gerald> have you tried moneydance? it's a java program so you only
Gerald> need a working jvm and it should work w/o any further ado.
Gerald> Gerald
Thanks, I'll take a look.
mp
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From: "D. D. Brierton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Strange Mozilla plugins problem
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:20:20 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "David D. Huff Jr."
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think if you dig deep enough you'll see where RealPlayer8 no longer
> registers mime types. I read all the docs and did it by hand hopefully
> things have changed in the last two months, but I doubt it.
Can you remember more precisely where you were digging deep? I've removed (by
hand) all the mime entries RealPlayer8 made in .mime.types, .mailcap and the
mime entries it added into the .kde and .gnome directories. That hasn't cured
the problem. Which docs are you referring to that you read?
--
==============================================================================
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~ddb
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: gnome & gnucash
Date: 22 Apr 2001 12:24:03 -0700
>>>>> "joseph" == joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
joseph> Get the helix updater , ( or what ever it's called this
joseph> week ) and select gnucash. You need x running, though...
Heh-heh, that little parenthetical is scary. ;-)
mp
joseph> "Michael Powe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
joseph> message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> <rant> I've just wasted about 4 hours over 2 days trying to get
>> all the dependencies worked out so that I could compile &
>> install gnucash. Now, I'm a patient guy & I obviously had the
>> time to sit here and download one library after another, do the
>> './configure make install' thing. But, after going to all that
>> trouble, and have the gnome-lib compile break because one of
>> those other libs uses a header I don't have (xpm.h) & which I
>> can't find -- it's the last straw. I can blame some of it on
>> debian -- the world's worst installer makes it impossible for
>> me to even think about using the system installer for
>> binaries. And as is usually the case with debian, about half
>> what you actually need to make it work is installed by default,
>> and the rest you can go fish for. After you get your Ph.D. in
>> CS, you'll be trained enough to actually use dselect. I'm
>> about done with debian, too. I think slack is going back on
>> this machine. PDQ.
>>
>> But, my real beef is with gnome & gnucash, two of the most
>> USER-UNFRIENDLY installations on the linux planet. These
>> applications were obviously written for highly-technical users
>> who can find their ways around a CVS tree in the dark. I've
>> been using linux continuously for almost 4 years but I pretty
>> much skim the treetops in a lot of respects. I can do a lot &
>> I'm really willing to put up with a lot (like kernel 2.4
>> breaking SB soundcard support that had been working fine in
>> 2.2.13); but sometimes, I just need software that works.
>>
>> The bottom line is, I'm going to wind up using MS Money for my
>> financials because all I have to do is stick in a CD & in ten
>> minutes, I'm working on my dollars & not on the damned
>> software.
>>
>> It's funny, where I work I just got moved onto a new team and
>> as part of that change, we all moved into a different building
>> so that we would be right next to the group than maintains the
>> servers. The reason for this move was so that we (support)
>> could be in direct contact with the hardware/development people
>> and thus be able to give them direct input on how their work
>> was affecting our customers. The feeling was that sometimes
>> the dev team was prone to do things without regard to that
>> effect, with sometimes embarrassing results. I wish somebody
>> would have that brilliant idea at Helix Software.
>>
>> 99% of my home computer time is spent on linux boxen. Right
>> now, I'm just too busy to spend all my free time fixing things
>> like broken sound card support or libs that don't work. These
>> things are so basic, there should not even BE any need for me
>> to be fixing them. They should just f***ing work. Yeah, MS
>> operating systems are pieces o' shite -- but here's exactly why
>> we are stuck with them. I just wish someone would create a
>> USABLE linux-based financial program that did not require a CS
>> degree and an entire weekend to install. Then, I'd be at 100%.
>>
>> </rant>
>>
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