Linux-Misc Digest #710, Volume #19 Fri, 2 Apr 99 21:13:09 EST
Contents:
using tape drive to stream mp3s (Ted Whalen)
Re: Using Linux instead of NT Server in home environment.... ("Stuart Fox")
Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0 (Thomas Jespersen)
Re: Netscape messing up bookmarks somehow (Glenn Lagasse)
Re: Names to call Windows... (Martin Dieringer)
Re: Proprietary Linux -- End Of Open Source Software! (Matthias Warkus)
VFS: No free dquots - contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ("õ��ȭ")
How to create linux cd-rom from ftp sites ("Jee")
Re: Task - detach and let it run in the background (Rolf Skowronek)
Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0 (Alexander Dymerets)
Re: Redirecting to Nowhere (Gregory Greenman)
tgz problem (Mark Glassberg)
Linux 2.2.5 instable on HP LH NetServer Pro ??? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Missing kernel ac patches??? (brian moore)
Re: Printer and linux (Dramen Mendra)
SCO Merge 4.0, Win95 Emulation, and Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: newsreader for linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: 52M memory used by X?! (Bruce Stephens)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? (Jeremy Crabtree)
Re: How do I unlock my modem? (Bill Unruh)
Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Who do you sue FUD (Lew Pitcher)
Re: What is the best Linux to install? ("Paul Bary")
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the (Gerald Willmann)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ted Whalen)
Subject: using tape drive to stream mp3s
Date: 2 Apr 1999 16:41:29 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm trying to use my SCSI tape drive to store MP3s for playback in a set
order. I've sucessfully used
$ dd if=my_file.mp3 of=/dev/st0 bs=64k seek=1
$ dd if=/dev/st0 bs=64k skip=1 | mpg123 -
to play files, but when I try to throw 'tar' into the mix (to facilitate
streaming multiple files) i get:
$ tar c my_mp3_dir/ | dd of=/dev/st0 bs=64k seek=1
$ dd if=/dev/sto bs=64k skip=1 | tar x0 | mpg123 -
High Performance MPEG 1.0/2.0/2.5 Audio Player for Layer 1, 2 and 3.
Version 0.59o (1998/Feb/08). Written and copyrights by Michael Hipp.
Uses code from various people. See 'README' for more!
THIS SOFTWARE COMES WITH ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY! USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!
Playing MPEG stream from standard input ...
MPEG 1.0 layer III, 128 kbit/s, 44100 Hz stereo
mpg123: Can't rewind stream by 964 bits!
Illegal Audio-MPEG-Header 0x1268f3c7 at offset 0xfffffffb.
Skipped 272 bytes in input.
The file plays, but I keep getting these errors, causing the output to be
very choppy.
Can anyone give me pointers on what I'm doing wrong with tar?
tew
--
And it says "I burn."
Ted Whalen - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Using Linux instead of NT Server in home environment....
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:03:26 +1200
Forgot to say, given the amount of time Microsoft gets hammered in these
newsgroups, you must be a very unhappy person...
Stu
M. Brian Akins wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Perhaps you cannot read the newsgroups title, *.linux.*. I know that a
properly
>configured Linux box will not crash, and I think I speak for most here -- I
>don't care what NT does, I read this ng for linux info.
>
>
>Stuart Fox wrote:
>
>> Although this isn't the forum for tech support, you missed a step in your
>> procedure.
>>
>> You installed the mpri386 after applying SP4. This was a bad idea. SP4
has
>> fixes for these features and making changes to the networking components
>> without reapplying the service pack will usually cause problems
(including
>> blue screens)
>>
>> My argument still stands - a PROPERLY configured NT box will not blue
screen
>>
>> Stu
>>
>> dont spam me wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> >On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:10:30 +1200, "Stuart Fox"
>> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>Also, time for a few facts
>> >>
>> >>1. NO operating system is bug free
>> >>2. Both Linux camps and MS spend considerable time locating and fixing
>> bugs
>> >>3. A properly configured NT box will not Blue Screen, and will be as
>> stable
>> >>as a well configured Linux box.
>> >>
>> >>Just my two cents worth.
>> >>
>> >1. true
>> >2. true
>> >3. false
>> >
>> >
>> >if this is true...explain this one to me. if you follow steps 1-7,
>> >step 8 is garenteed to happen every time with every computer I've
>> >tried it on. ( seems that the y2k patch for nt makes it compleately
>> >unusable now instead of makeing you wait for 1/1/00 you can skip step
>> >8 only if you install sp3 instead of sp4 but the moment sp4 is
>> >installed, CRASH)
>> >
>> >1 brand new computer
>> >2 clean hd
>> >3 nt server fresh install as primary domain controler
>> >4 get on the net and download and apply nt serive pack 4 y2k
>> >5 download and install mpri386 (lan to ras routeing package)
>> >6 restart computer
>> >7 connect to the internet
>> >8 core dumps system restarts.
>> >
>> >nothing not listed here was done to the system
>> >figured it was my hardware, scraped the entire computer got a new one,
>> >same thing.
>> >custome built me one for this. same thing
>> >
>> >took the original computer, installed linux
>> >echo 1 >/proc/system/ipv4/ip_forward
>> >now does the job perfectly just wishing for the ml-ppp that nt has
>> >
>> >you see, I have a dial-up sub-net and none of those advanced
>> >technologies like isdn or adsl or cable modems are available in my
>> >area yet. and all I want to do with this NT box is lan to ras routing.
>> >I have different servers for everything else
>> >
>> >
>
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From: Thomas Jespersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0
Date: 02 Apr 1999 22:19:54 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Duston) writes:
> Enkidu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> : wizard wrote:
> : >
> : > The other key item that everyone overlooks is the large amount
> : > of effort the people at RedHat, Suse and others put into driver
> : > development. If that does add value I don't know what does.
> : >
> : This is a fiction. Redhat do *not* develop drivers.
>
> Redhat IS paying other people to develop Linux. Alan Cox is contracted
> to develop for Linux through a company he set up that is paid by Redhat
> Labs. See http://www.linux.org.uk/diary/ for info. They are paying to
> develop Gnome. See http://www.labs.redhat.com/ for info.
Sorry, I have not followed this thread from the start, but redhat is
also helping xfree86.org with drivers. Quote from www.xfree86.org:
"Red Hat Inc. and Presicion Insight Inc. have contributed their
NeoMagic driver to XFree86 for inclusion in the XFree86 3.3.3
release. They are also working on some 3D infrastructure. More
details are available on our major contributors page."
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From: Glenn Lagasse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape messing up bookmarks somehow
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 18:48:58 -0500
Does the directory that the file lives in and the directories above that
have the correct permissions. I seem to recall reading somewhere that a
file inherits (so to speak) whatever permissions the directory in which
it contains has. So a file could be rwx by owner/group/world but if the
directory the file is contained in has different permissions then you
are stuck with the permissions specified for the directory and not the
individual file.
Hope that helps.
Glenn
Bill Unruh wrote:
>
> I have Netscape 4.08 running on a Linux machine. Every time it starts up
> it posts a message saying it cannot save the bookmarks file.
> Furthermore, the actual bookmarks file
> ~/.netscape/bookmarks.html
> is not being used at all by netscape. Instead the default bookmarks keep
> appearing. The bookmarks.html file is rw everyone in fact, so it does
> not seem to be permissions.
>
> Any clue?
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From: Martin Dieringer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Names to call Windows...
Date: 02 Apr 1999 08:39:47 +0200
Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> People who use FreeBSD and Linux have a few clever nicknames for
> Windows. Here are some that I've seen and used (that don't have
> profanity):
>
> Windblows
> Winblows
> Winbloats
> Winslow
> Windoze
> 'Doze
> WinHell --> instead of "Wintel"
> No-Win-dows
you forgot the best one: Wintendo
m.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Proprietary Linux -- End Of Open Source Software!
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 01:10:22 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Fri, 02 Apr 1999 18:24:39 GMT...
..and Juergen Heinzl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark S. Bilk wrote:
> ><LI><a
>href="http://www.salonmagazine.com/21st/feature/1999/04/01feature.html">Salon 21st |
>Money talks -- open source walks</a>
>
> You're 24 hours late ...
> > SALON | April 1, 1999
> ....
Yes. It's a shame; it was the best-done AFJ I've seen so far (and I
suppose I won't see any more AFJs this year:).
mawa
--
"USENet Miranda Rights: You have the right to remain a silent reader.
Anything you mail or post may and will be used to flame you."
-- Chedley Aouririk
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From: "õ��ȭ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: VFS: No free dquots - contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 09:35:00 +0900
hello..?
:
:first of all sorry for my poor english...
:
:My name is seung-han. SHIN ,live in KOREA.
:three days ago, My box present this messages.
:
: www kernel: VFS: No free dquots - contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
:
:This message is displayed sequencely....at console...terminal...
:and load average up to over 100.xxx maximum. very fast....
:
:last....I can't do anything....
:
:but......yesterday I found core of problem(May be)....that is apache daemon
:(1.3.2+PHP+SSL).
:
:while VFS..message is shown...and load average is up....
:I'm HUP apache....then....
:
:load average is down....and server is silence....
:
:and...today I quota off at my server...because I found VFS... message in
:dquota.c .
:
:please help....what's problem...what can do for my server....?!
:
:My box is PII-233 , 256MB , 5.6GB PCnet ,PCI N/C ,RH5.2(2.0.36)
:two mount point
:
:/ (75% used)
:/home <-- quota (25% used)
:
:please help....
:ASAP.....
:
:
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From: "Jee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: How to create linux cd-rom from ftp sites
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:39:17 +0800
I would like to burn my own redhat 5.2 cdrom from its ftp sites. Can someone
advise me on what cd format (iso9660, joliet) I should burn the files in and
what directories I should include in the cdrom. I am using easy cd creator
deluxe in windows nt. I tried burning the entire i386 directory, including
subdirectories using the joliet format but it did not work.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@fz-juelich.de (Rolf Skowronek)
Subject: Re: Task - detach and let it run in the background
Date: 2 Apr 1999 11:42:28 +0200
Michael Powe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: >>>>> "Brian" == Brian Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: Brian> Eric Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >> You obviously know your stuff, so I hoped you might be able to
: >> help with a nohup issue I'm having. Under RedHat Linux, I've
: >> tried lots of tests to get nohup working for me to run a task
: >> after I logoff, but with no success. For example...
: How can a program running as a subprocess in a shell continue running
: after you exit the shell -- i.e., destroy the parent process?
If the process is trying to output anything to the console it will hang at
this point with -nohup.
You can use 'screen' instead. This will give you a shell with vt100
capabilities which can even be used to multiplex different instances at any
one terminal. You start your process, detach from screen and can then logoff
while your process under screen keeps running.
You can connect back to screen by logging in at any terminal and reattaching
to your session with 'screen -r'.
I am using screen-3.7.1 from 1996 which I think I got from sunsite. Ask
archie.
Rolf
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From: Alexander Dymerets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 12:10:44 +0300
Hi!
> Does anyone else think this would be a good idea? Keep the i386 tree, and
> add an i686 tree that is optimized for P-II/Celeron/P-III processors.
>
> This might be a pain in the butt for the mirrors (more hard drive space
> used), but for some mirrors this would be just fine. This would also make
> Linux higher performing for all the people with flashy new Pentium-III
> machines...
It's enough to compile kernel and applictions with PPro optipization.
There is no difference in optimisation for PPro,PII,Celeron,PIII,
exept new MMX2 instruction set.
Alexander
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From: Gregory Greenman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Redirecting to Nowhere
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 13:01:56 -0800
James Cook wrote:
> Thanks everyone on the solution. It was exactly what I was looking
> for. I would like to create a script that somehow kept the latest 100
> lines or whatever, but that is definitely beyond my capabilities right
> now. Baby steps.
>
> This link command is truly incredible.
>
> thanks again,
> jim
Jim,
Check out the "tail" command - tail -100 foobar will send the
last 100 lines of file foobar to standard output.
Dr. Gregory Greenman
Physicist
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Glassberg)
Subject: tgz problem
Date: 2 Apr 1999 21:09:02 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I had my whole linux system backed up on a tgz file on second hard disk,
which held a fat16 file system. I lost the main disk and formatted the
second. I used my msdos 6.2 unformat command, which seemed to recover
my tgz file, but tar can no longer read it. Any assistance would be
greatly appreciated.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux 2.2.5 instable on HP LH NetServer Pro ???
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 12:32:43 GMT
I've got a couple of HP LH NetServer Pro machines (dual PPro 200 MHz) running
under Linux 2.0.36. For the past few days I've been trying to get Linux 2.2
(2.2.4 and 2.2.5) running on a few of these machines. Whatever I do, I can't
get these versions of Linux running stable on these systems. The systems
contain at least two SCSI-disks, connected on the two different Adaptec
AIC-7880 SCSI-controllers. I can reproduce my problem by copying loads of
files from one disk to the other (so the data goes through two
SCSI-controllers and the system bus). When I do this, the system will start
reporting SCSI-errors at first (at random errors from scsi0 and scsi1),
throws in an eth0-error from time to time, and the system doesn't do anything
else from that moment on - I can't even reboot it anymore. I wonder if anyone
has experienced the same problem, if someone was able to fix the problem
(settings?)... any feedback about experiences (+ solutions?) on comparable
systems is very welcome.
Thanks,
Arjan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Missing kernel ac patches???
Date: 2 Apr 1999 21:14:39 GMT
On Fri, 02 Apr 1999 12:03:53 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Am I the only one experiencing this?
>
> I mean, alan cox's patches are one minute there, then they are gone??
No they're still there: you're just not where you think you are.
> I first tried from my nearest mirror site: ftp.au.kernel.org, and saw that the
> only files in /pub/linux/kernel/alan/2.2 is patch-2.2.3ac2-SMPFIX.diff.
Okay, they were just behind in fetching the updates. Mirrors aren't
instantaneous.
> Then I checked from ftp.us.kernel.org, and saw that the US mirror site is more
> complete. That is, it has the actual patch-2.2.5-ac?.bz2 files listed together
> with the SMPFIX.diff file.
The problem is right here. 'the' US mirror site is actual one of 14
machines chosen by round-robin DNS. Depending on which one you are on,
it may or may not have updated yet. And if you use something like Lynx
to download (which will open a new session each time) you will bounce
between machines. Some will have the files, some won't have them yet.
> Finally, I tried ftp.uk.kernel.org. This time, I was able to download the rest
> of the 2.2.5-ac patches.
ftp.uk.kernel.org is only two machines. Both had already updated.
> Is it only me?? This happened to me from both ftp and http.
www.<country>.kernel.org is also a slew of machines.
Give it a bit after release for the changes to propogate.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Dramen Mendra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Printer and linux
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 07:44:12 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RJA wrote:
> When I do /proc/devices it does not list lp* as installed. I have tried
> recompiling the kernel with make menuconfig (and installing parallel port)
> and make dep,...... but I still cannot get the OS to recognize my parallel
> port.
put this in /etc/conf.modules
alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc
options parport_pc io=0x378 irq=7,auto
if that doesn't work, then read parport.txt in the kernel documentation.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: SCO Merge 4.0, Win95 Emulation, and Linux
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 21:14:04 GMT
Can anyone tell me if SCO's Merge 4.0 will run on Linux and if so what kernel
or variation?
Yours,
Nicholas Gray
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Subject: Re: newsreader for linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 01:18:25 GMT
According to Daniel Franzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> SGkgIQ0KDQpBcmUgdGhlcmUgYW55IHN0YWJsZSBuZXdzcmVhZGVyIGZvciBsaW51eCA/IEkg
> ZG9uJ3Qgd2FudCB0byB1c2UNCmNvbW11bmljYXRvciBhbnltb3JlICwgaXQgY3Jhc2hlcyB0
> byBvZnRlbi4NCg0KVGhhbmtzIGluIGFkdmFuY2UNCg==
In addition to crashing your machine, Netscape is also generating
MIME-only mesages. I mean, MIME on usenet is bad enough as it is, but
when it is used instead of plain text, well, people should be shot.
Personally, t/rn has suited me just fine for the past 15 years. (and
yes, it *does* decode MIME encoded messages.)
-p.
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From: Bruce Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 52M memory used by X?!
Date: 02 Apr 1999 19:46:29 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Hi I was running X with window maker, there were 4 rxvt windows open
> upon startup X and when I typed "free" in one window I found the
> memory used was some 25M(I have 64M mem), then I left the machine
> there for about 8 hours without doing anything special, then I tried
> "free" again, this time about 52M memory was used!
What *exactly* does free say? Here's what I get:
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 128332 124800 3532 35836 8056 63476
-/+ buffers/cache: 53268 75064
Swap: 16092 0 16092
So, I have 3.5M free? Not at all: I've got 75M free. As soon as
processes need more memory, that large amount of memory being used for
cache will start being used for other things.
However, while it's not being used by active processes, then of course
the operating system should cache files and things in it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Crabtree)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: 2 Apr 1999 21:29:07 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tom Betz allegedly wrote:
>Quoth "George Georgakis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in
><01be7653$3a3ea620$0101a8c0@george>:
>|Much as I hate to say it, for ease of use and for those of the "just
>|install and use it" crowd, I must agree that Win9* is currently ahead of
>|all flavours of Linux.
>
>Sad, but true.
>
>Little things annoy. For example, there is no common buffer for
>cutting and pasting between apps. You can't do something as simple
>as paste text copied from an xterm session into, say, Netscape.
Huh? I just did that. It works pretty well, I can cut'n'paste
text to and from just about anything. Select with the left
mouse button, and paste with the middle mouse button.
Now, if there were a nice way to select text on a console and
paste it into X...
[SNIP]
--
"Being myself a remarkably stupid fellow, I have had to unteach myself
the difficulties, and now beg to present to my fellow fools the parts
that are not hard" --Silvanus P. Thompson, from "Calculus Made Easy."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: How do I unlock my modem?
Date: 3 Apr 1999 01:27:07 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Paul Davies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>My modem gets locked when I try to connect to the Net.
>It then stays locked if I stry t reconnect. How do I manually unlock it?
rm /var/local/LCK..ttyS1
if you are using /dev/ttyS1 for your modem. do ls /var/lock to see what
the actual name of the lock file is.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 01:28:30 GMT
Enkidu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Bill Anderson wrote:
>> To ignore these facts, and claim they do nothing other than
>> collect stuff, is to appear foolish.
>>
>Are you suggesting that the Redhat sysadmin apps, install process
>etc are *essential* to run Linux? If so you are wrong. All they do
>is tie you in to doing it the Redhat way!
Are you saying that emacs is a worthless piece of software, because people
could as well use vi? rxvt is a worthless piece of software, because people
could use xterm? KDE is a worthless piece of software, because gwm works
just swell? Are you saying the the X windowing system is a worthless
piece of software, because you can use linux with virtual consoles only?
None of the above are *essential*. All make the linux experience more
enjoyable, adaptable or just "better" in some way. I.e. they add value.
Bernie
--
============================================================================
"It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy...
...let's go exploring"
Calvin's final words, on December 31st, 1995
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From: Lew Pitcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Who do you sue FUD
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 19:46:17 -0500
Jim Hill wrote:
>
> In <7dvcgd$aur$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Christopher Michael Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Jim Hill ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >> I've been watching events unfold with the Melissa macro fiasco this
> >> weekend and I'm thinking to myself that if the "Companies want someone
> >> they can sue when things go wrong" argument holds any water at all, then
> >> we should probably see a lot of suits filed against Microsoft because of
> >> the "virus" spread by a combination of Outlook Exchange, Word, and
> >> Windows. We'll see that, right? Companies that wanted someone to sue
> >> will sue, won't they?
> >
> >Unlikely, since all of the product have easy to identify
> >switches to (for example) toggle whether or not you can
> >run macros, toggle macro virus protection, etc.
>
> Err, that was sort of my point. If Microsoft isn't responsible when the
> people who use its software (or the software itself) fucks up, then why
> is Linux subjected to "We have to have a company to stand behind the
> software we deploy" attack?
I'm not a lawyer, but here's my two cents worth... ;-)
I don't know of any company that warantees against misuse of a product,
and
I doubt that a legal argument of "the manufacturer is culpable for
failures
due to misuse or malicious tampering" would succeed.
If I understand things correctly, the argument is that Linux doesn't
have
a single point of legal responsibility (someone to sue) if features or
facilities
of Linux don't work as 'advertised'. That is to say, the manufacture is
culpable
for failures due to failure to implement facilities advertised as being
implemented.
--
Lew Pitcher | If everyone has an angle, why
JOAT-in-training | are most of them so obtuse?
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From: "Paul Bary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: What is the best Linux to install?
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 05:54:49 -0700
Gotta agree...Mandrake is terrific...all the advantages of RH 5.2 plus the
lastest release version of KDE...I
couldn't be more tickled....I got mine from CheapBytes...1.99 and off you
go...
Paul
bill davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7duacm$7uk8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Graham Daniell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | RedHat - the boxed set - by far the easiest to install.
>
> Haven't tried Mandrake, have you?
>
> --
> bill davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CTO, TMR Associates, Inc
> What I find astonishing is not that my cat has started to sing, but that
> he has taken up country-western. This morning he sang `Momma, don't let
> your kittens grow up to be barn cats' in the shower, followed by a
> pretty decent yodeling version of `Roundup time in Texas when the catnip
> is in bloom.'
>
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From: Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:33:21 -0800
On 2 Apr 1999, Tom Betz wrote:
> Little things annoy. For example, there is no common buffer for
> cutting and pasting between apps. You can't do something as simple
> as paste text copied from an xterm session into, say, Netscape.
maybe you can't (yet) but others definitely can - simply copy with the
left mouse button and then paste with the middle one.
Gerald
PS: Linux is my standard OS (wouldn't say boot-up because I only reboot
every few months or so when I want to change some hardware)
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