Linux-Misc Digest #715, Volume #19 Sat, 3 Apr 99 02:13:10 EST
Contents:
Unzip problem (Dinger)
Re: hd powerdown in linux (who else?)
Re: ?Corel Netwinder prices? (ingenuit)
Re: Missing kernel ac patches??? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: serial port cards (Robert Heller)
Re: Need to find the 'no' program. (Ewan Dunbar)
RPM Catch-22s? (Jon McLin)
Video on Linux (Mike)
Re: Proposal: "Linux 2000 Platform" (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: Microsoft Patents Open-Source (Peter Seebach)
Please send me the standard Slackware ppp scripts ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: What is the best Linux to install? (Jon-o Addleman)
Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info ("{DT}")
Re: How to create linux cd-rom from ftp sites (Rod Smith)
knews: Couldn't determine domain name. Posting will not be possible. (Nick Dreyer)
Re: Windows opening with their tops off the top of the screen. (Arthur R Peale)
Re: can't be excuted by typing its name (William Wueppelmann)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? (William Wueppelmann)
Re: Missing kernel ac patches??? (brian moore)
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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 19:41:13 +0100
From: Dinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Unzip problem
I'm a linux newbie and i'm trying to decompress a .tar file from the
floppy drive. I figured out how to mount the floppy drive, but I can't
seem to work out how to decompress the archive. Could anyone give me any
help? I'm using Redhat Linux 5.2, kernel version 2.2.2.
--
Dinger
Don't run away from your problems...
Riding is much faster.
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From: who else? <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: hd powerdown in linux
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 22:18:46 -0500
Jens Axelsen wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I ask because I have a server that sometimes run ftp server at local
> netparties...and it usually is up and running the entire weekend, this makes
> it very hot and powerconsuming. Therefore my question is:
>
> How do I setup powerdown in Linux?
>
> Kind regards
> Jens
http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/LDP/LG/lg_index.html
in one of these back issues is the answer...I just ran accross it the other day
but i dont remember which one, it was a pretty old one though
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From: ingenuit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ?Corel Netwinder prices?
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 18:55:49 GMT
> some recent policies at Corel that do not sound to bode
> well for the Netwinder division.
I have heard the same thing...while "thin-clients" are alive and well in
general, it appears that NC's, and in particular---Netwinders, are
dead. Also, my contact says that Netwinders are rather slow and
wouldn't be viable without significant performance enhancements anyway.
All of this third-hand but from a reliable insider source. Be careful!
AT
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Missing kernel ac patches???
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 05:13:28 GMT
Okay, the bouncing between machines of the same country would explain it.
However, I do not know how mirroring works, so....
Is the entire pub/linux/kernel/people/alan/2.2 directory updated? Or in that
case the entire subdirectory starting from /home/ftp updated? Or only the new
files updated?
If only newer files are updated or propagated, shouldn't the old patches
(2.2.0ac to 2.2.4ac) still get listed.
If the entire directory or subdirectory gets updated or propagated, then
shouldn't the entire directory be blank during that time? What's make me
curious is that both sites consistently showed the file
patch-2.2.3ac2-SMPFIX.diff, and all the other files/patches from 2.2.0ac to
2.2.5ac are not listed.
Thanks for the explanation,
John Salvo
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore) wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Apr 1999 12:03:53 GMT,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Am I the only one experiencing this?
> >
> > I mean, alan cox's patches are one minute there, then they are gone??
>
> No they're still there: you're just not where you think you are.
>
> > I first tried from my nearest mirror site: ftp.au.kernel.org, and saw that
the
> > only files in /pub/linux/kernel/alan/2.2 is patch-2.2.3ac2-SMPFIX.diff.
>
> Okay, they were just behind in fetching the updates. Mirrors aren't
> instantaneous.
>
> > Then I checked from ftp.us.kernel.org, and saw that the US mirror site is
more
> > complete. That is, it has the actual patch-2.2.5-ac?.bz2 files listed
together
> > with the SMPFIX.diff file.
>
> The problem is right here. 'the' US mirror site is actual one of 14
> machines chosen by round-robin DNS. Depending on which one you are on,
> it may or may not have updated yet. And if you use something like Lynx
> to download (which will open a new session each time) you will bounce
> between machines. Some will have the files, some won't have them yet.
>
> > Finally, I tried ftp.uk.kernel.org. This time, I was able to download the
rest
> > of the 2.2.5-ac patches.
>
> ftp.uk.kernel.org is only two machines. Both had already updated.
>
> > Is it only me?? This happened to me from both ftp and http.
>
> www.<country>.kernel.org is also a slew of machines.
>
> Give it a bit after release for the changes to propogate.
>
> --
> Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
> Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
> Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
> Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
>
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: serial port cards
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 03:19:34 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Shaffer, Jr.),
In a message on Fri, 02 Apr 1999 03:55:59 GMT, wrote :
JSJ> What's the cheapest and simplest serial port card I can get that will work with
JSJ> Linux? I only need two ports (besides the two on my motherboard) and could even
JSJ> get along with one, but they must be able to be used simultaneously with the
JSJ> ports on the motherboard.
Anything from Boca. An IOAT55 (2S1P) is fully jumperable COM[1234],
various IRQs, full modem control, FIFO, etc. Nice little board (ISA).
JSJ>
JSJ> --
JSJ> home page: http://woodstock.csrlink.net/~jshaffer
JSJ>
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
From: Ewan Dunbar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need to find the 'no' program.
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:24:17 -0500
On Sat, 3 Apr 1999, Matt Kuznicki wrote:
Jason Bell wrote:
>
> This accomplishes the job of spitting out 'no' t the console, but it does not
> solve my problem of compiling.
Perhaps they want `no` to be a program which only echoes 'n\n' to the
console, a la `yes`.
================================================
Ewan Dunbar
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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 05:32:51 +0000
From: Jon McLin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RPM Catch-22s?
My experience with rpm thus far is that it is close to worthless. About
25% of rpms I download can be installed. The remainder fail. There are
circular dependencies, and what appears to be inconsistent naming:
packages will not install due to dependencies, despite the fact that the
required library is in fact installed.
Is there a secret decoder ring I'm missing, or is RPM actually a
Microslothesque ploy by Redhat to sell more preconfigured distributions?
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From: Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Video on Linux
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 00:34:58 -0500
I want to do some basic video programming on Linux RedHat 5.2. Does
anyone out there know how to do this? Basically I'm looking for the
equivalent of how to flip the video mode to 13h how we used to do in
DOS. Any help would be greatly appreciated! If you could plz. e-mail
me. I am using gcc or g++, I would like some header info and function
names. I am new at linux but have been doing graphics programming for
about 2 years. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease help. Thanks all.
Loki (aka Killing_Joke).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Proposal: "Linux 2000 Platform"
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 02:07:11 GMT
On 3 Apr 1999 00:35:24 GMT, Jeremy Crabtree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>Christopher B. Browne allegedly wrote:
>>On 1 Apr 1999 21:34:22 -0500, Alexander Viro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>posted:
>>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>>>I suggest dpkg instead, it's a bit more, shall we say, 'advanced'.
>>>
>>>Seconded, with possible ports integration.
>>
>>Unfortunately, the flaming of Red Hat by those of the Slackware
>>Religion acts as an anodyne, distracting people from the possibility
>>that there might be ideas out there that are better than either
>>system's approach.
>
>When did I flame anyone?
I'm not pointing you out; I'm pointing out the all-too-typical flaming
that takes place.
>>The fixation on RPM, with occasional vague mention of dpkg, betrays a
>>generally vast ignorance of the various packaging methods that in use.
>>Almost certainly Ports and the Debian tools represent something closer
>>to the "state of the art" than does RPM.
>>
>>Anyone for stow? Depot? NSBD?
>
>I dunno...the whole lot of package tools would have to be evaluated
>before any one could be selected.
>
>(Which is why the summary selection of RPM without ANY consultation
> bugs me a bit.)
The people that created Red Hat's distribution made their "summary
selection;" those that created Debian made another; those that created
SuSE made another.
I would see the issue of non-consultation as an issue with respect to
a plan to establish (let's say) RPM as the "favored package manager"
for LSB, which is intended to be a public standard.
In contrast, it is entirely reasonable for people who are building
their own systems to make their own decisions.
>>Note that RPM would be a whole lot more usable if there was something
>>functionally equivalent to Debian's APT and dselect tools...
>
>Or even pkgtool's character-mode interface.
- Does it multiplex data sources together?
- Does it monitor package dependancies and codependancies?
>(Glint is okay, but the CLI RPM stinks)
Glint is almost functionality-free, and hasn't been *significantly*
improved since its introduction. No multiplexing, no significant
dependancy checking... Basically just a "dumb" menu atop a
filesystem.
>(WHOA!...pkgtool is a...sh SCRIPT!?...cool...)
>
>>>>(I use Slackware, and I don't use ANY package managers ;)
>>>
>>>>> . GNU make, C/C++ compiler and development libraries
>>>
>>>>Well, DUH! ;)
>>
>>I disagree, slightly. POSIX make is a more unambiguously requirable
>>option.
>
>HERETIC!...okay, point taken, but gmake, gcc (egcs) and the like
>would be the most likely ones to use.
Normative standards are always worth *considering.* In the end, I'd
probably prefer to use GNU make, but I don't think it particularly
wise to head down the "using GNU-Make-isms" path...
>>>>> . XFree86 installed to /usr/X11R6/lib (or /usr/X11)
>>>
>>>Optional. Install libs if you are so inclined, but server and
>>>applications do not belong to required part.
>>>
>>>>Or both, thanks to the wonders of sym-links.
>>>
>>> Exactly.
>>
>>Absolutely.
>
>So, we're all in agreement here? <G>
>
>(FWIW, I did exactly this when installing XF86 3.3.3.1 on my
> system...symlinks are wonderful things)
No, the point is that while it may be a nice thing to be aware of
where X goes, *IF INSTALLED,* that is not a mandatory component. I've
got headless boxes where running an X server would be just plain
stupid.
>>>>>Optional components:
>>>>> . Web browser (Netscape or Mozilla variation?)
>>>
>>>Or lynx, or any other browser. What's the difference for 3-rd party
>>>applications?
>>
>>If trying to establish a standard, shouldn't the product picked be
>>require to conform to some standards? :-).
>
>So...Arena is the one, then? ;)
>Or, am I confused?
Mandating a particular browser is *dumb.*
-> There are a whole bunch of offshoots of Netscape's browser that
would be worth considering:
{Navigator|Communicator} in assortedly {Motif|GTk|Qt} variations,
with major version "numbers" 3.x, 4.0x, 4.5x, and hopefully 5.x
Real Soon Now.
Heaven only knows how many combinations that adds up to...
-> Arena's probably not a real good choice, considering that the last
new release was in March 1998...
-> Doubtless there are some Grail partisans...
-> Chimera has two "streams," and is pretty nicely suited to "popping
up documentation."
-> KDE and GNOME both have "browser widgets" for their help systems
that are fairly small, and reasonable choices for some purposes...
-> Who knows? The Mnemonic guys might get theirs "productionized,"
and it might well be preferable to Netscape.
Based on the varying sets of needs and constraints that people have,
virtually all of these are decent choices under the right
circumstances.
Given that none are terribly "standards-conformant," choices will be
arbitrary.
Frankly, I think that the "best" standardization would be done much as
with EDITOR/VISUAL; one would set the environment variables
HELP_BROWSER, SSL_BROWSER, BROWSER, and the system pick one on
demand...
Further multiplexing would be doable by setting those variables to run
shell scripts that check on system configuration and dynamically
figure out what to do.
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,rec.humor,ox.os.linux
Subject: Re: Microsoft Patents Open-Source
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 21:26:28 GMT
In article <OoRM2.179$kM2.33262@burlma1-snr2>,
Barry Margolin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Sometimes funny is enough.
Well, it is for, say, rec.humor, but it's not the point of April Fools' day.
AFD is a modernized version of an ancient Pagan holiday, and it's *very*
important, spiritually, that you *actually* fool people. Just being silly
is disrespectful of the spirits of people who have been tricked into doing
stupid things and died.
-s
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Please send me the standard Slackware ppp scripts
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 05:39:09 GMT
Tech support at my isp told me to use them to connect, I told them I was using
Redhat. Now they're ignoring me.
Thanks in advance, Tone
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon-o Addleman)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: What is the best Linux to install?
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 20:58:07 GMT
Once upon a Thu, 01 Apr 1999 14:27:59 +0900, "Yim,SeongSoo"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I realy recommend to start with RedHat.
I still don't understand why redhat is supposed to be easier... I
found it so complicated! I couldn't find anything, or even
instructions for finding things. Debian was a snap to install, by
comparison... It REALLY doesn't make sense for Debian to have the
reputation for being for "experts". It certainly isn't MORE
challenging than Redhat.
That said, of course, anyone should use whatever they like, but so
many newbies are using Redhat and getting stuck by things that Debian
does so much more easily... hm..
--
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From: "{DT}" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info
Date: 2 Apr 1999 21:00:40 GMT
> >
> > There are unique identifiers out there already, just that this one may
> > turn out to be immutable.
>
This serial number is much easier to turn off than the one on your hard
drive, in fact, I haven't seen a single hard drive that you *could* turn of
the serial identifier. Also, last time I checked, there is no central
registry for the identifiers, so at this time there really isn't anything
anyone could do with them if they were available
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: How to create linux cd-rom from ftp sites
Date: 2 Apr 1999 14:23:03 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Posted and mailed]
In article <7e1vpg$bsf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Jee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I would like to burn my own redhat 5.2 cdrom from its ftp sites. Can someone
> advise me on what cd format (iso9660, joliet) I should burn the files in and
> what directories I should include in the cdrom. I am using easy cd creator
> deluxe in windows nt. I tried burning the entire i386 directory, including
> subdirectories using the joliet format but it did not work.
See:
http://www.channel1.com/users/rodsmith/rhjol.html
Note that Easy CD Creator is NOT a suitable tool for this, as mentioned on
my web page.
--
Rod Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.channel1.com/users/rodsmith
NOTE: Remove the "uce" word from my address to mail me
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nick Dreyer)
Subject: knews: Couldn't determine domain name. Posting will not be possible.
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 06:36:39 GMT
knews: Couldn't determine domain name. Posting will not be possible.
Everytime I start knews (on debian distribution, kernel 2.0.34), I get this
message, and sure enough, as it says, posting is in fact never possible.
Someone suggested, in response to an earlier post of mine regarding this
problem, that the hostname of my PC might not be right, but fiddling with that
brings not luck: I originally had just a minimal hostname, "home". Now I
changed it to "nick.dreyer.home.oz.net" in both the /etc/hostname and
/etc/hosts files. Rebooting, even running knews as root or non-root user, all
to no avail. Can't seem to get rid of the problem, no matter what I do. No
luck scowering the documentation either.
Any other ideas? Thanks, |\|.
|\|.
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From: Arthur R Peale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Windows opening with their tops off the top of the screen.
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 01:38:04 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dan Lange wrote:
>
> You could try just grabbing a border to move it around. Grabbing a
> corner is for resizing, a side will move the window. Try it. :)
It also won't work using KDE. It simply stretches the window.
However, the 'alt-left button' trick did work on my system. Neat!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: can't be excuted by typing its name
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 06:51:22 GMT
In our last episode (Thu, 01 Apr 1999 12:40:47 -0800),
the artist formerly known as Jet said:
>Alan Graham wrote:
>
>> Be aware that when you do this you are opening up a potential security hole.
>> Bash (and sh, and ksh...) deliberately leave the current directory off the
>> path, as having it there opens up the possibilty of trojan horse attacks.
>>
>> I've always thought that you're pretty safe if the current directory is the
>> last directory in the path tho'...
>>
>
>I've seen this said many times, could you please explain why that is the case?
>Why is a system less vulnerable to attack if the current directory is not in
>the path?
>
>Thanks, I'm a newbee.
---begin script---
#!/bin/sh
rm -r ~ &
/bin/ls
---end script---
Take this script, call it "ls" and save it in /tmp. Now, if you have "."
as the first element in your path and you happen to be in /tmp and you want
to list all of the files in /tmp, you execute "ls". But since . comes
before /bin, you execute ./ls, which deletes your home directory and then
runs the real ls to lull you into thinking nothing has gone wrong. Until
you try to access one of your files. :( If you happen to be root and the
command is "rm -r / &", the problem is even worse.
If "." is at the end of your path, /bin/ls would be executed instead of
/tmp/ls, so it's safer to put the dot last. But I sometimes mistype "ls"
as "la", as I suspect others might on occasion. There's no "la" on my
system (well, that's not true, I've aliased it to "ls -a", but normally,
there's no "la" command), so /tmp/la might have the same effect even if the
dot is at the end of the path.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 06:51:23 GMT
In our last episode (Thu, 01 Apr 1999 23:13:22 GMT),
the artist formerly known as marek jedlinski said:
> I don't
>know how to change other keys to behave the way I've always seen them
>behave in DOS/Win, because I need the key codes and I haven't yet found a
>utility which will print the octal codes for me, or convert between decimal
>and octal. (I'm sure it's there somewhere, though.)
showkey(1) would probaly do what you want.
>In pico, which is probably the simpelst editor under unix/Linux, the 'home'
>and 'end' keeys produce a nice little beep. Is it unimaginative to expect
>they might just, well, move cursor to start and end of line, respectively?
Because Unix isn't Windows. Because Unix programs are designed to operate
as independently as possible from any particular keyboard layout. Because
"home" and "end" and even "delete" aren't present on all terminals or
consoles. Granted, this is confusing for someone used to the behaviour of
these keys under Windows (though I don't see any inherent relationship
between "home" and "beginning of the current line") but if Pico was
designed with a particular keyboard in mind, it wouldn't have been the PC
keyboard, so even worse than not having "home" or "end" functionality, you
might be stuck with an editor that depended on keys you didn't have.
This is not to say that the Linux implementation of the keyboard is the best
way. If it was being designed from scratch today, I'm sure it would be done
differently. I don't know of anybody who thinks that the current
implementation is ideal. But at the same time, I would suggest that the
"proper" functioning of a key isn't such an open and shut matter either.
>I'll risk saying this: while newbies get bashed for complaints such as
>mine, above, because they're unimaginative and don't want to learn, very
>often what's meant by 'learning' is simply 'memorizing' lots of
>counter-intuitive stuff. Like the rpm vs. Setup, or Ctrl-A vs 'home'.
>Remembering all the -SwitcHes and unhelpful program names doesn't prove
>your knowledge or intelligence, just good memory.
There is a certain amount of memorization that goes into any system.
There's no getting around that. But why "home" means "go to the first
character of the line" instead of "go to the top left corner of the screen"
as it did on the Commodore 64, or "go to the first character in the buffer"
is also an arbitrary choice. It could even go to the middle (home) row of
the screen, as in typing. The problem is that you have to unlearn what you
have learned in Windows and then learn the Linux approach to the same
thing. If you started without the baggage of knowing anything about
Windows, a lot of things you think of as intuitive and obvious wouldn't be
so intuitive or obvious. Once you've become comfortable with one set of
arbitrary rules, they seem natural and intuitive, and others seem
counter-intuitive.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Missing kernel ac patches???
Date: 3 Apr 1999 07:00:43 GMT
On Sat, 03 Apr 1999 05:13:28 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Okay, the bouncing between machines of the same country would explain it.
>
> However, I do not know how mirroring works, so....
It's basically the same as a bunch of people ftping from ftp.kernel.org
and setting up a mostly-the-same directory tree.
> Is the entire pub/linux/kernel/people/alan/2.2 directory updated? Or in that
> case the entire subdirectory starting from /home/ftp updated? Or only the new
> files updated?
Everything newer than the last mirror-run is fetched, usually from a
certain point in the tree.
> If only newer files are updated or propagated, shouldn't the old patches
> (2.2.0ac to 2.2.4ac) still get listed.
They're fetched: if a site gets behind a couple days (which happens),
that one site won't have the new files. Their definition of 'new' will
differ from yours. Usually the mirror script is run at least once a
day. Sometimes when it runs there is a network problem or machine
problem of some sort and it aborts. Depending on the mirroring software
used, it will retry in various ways or not at all.
> If the entire directory or subdirectory gets updated or propagated, then
> shouldn't the entire directory be blank during that time? What's make me
> curious is that both sites consistently showed the file
> patch-2.2.3ac2-SMPFIX.diff, and all the other files/patches from 2.2.0ac to
> 2.2.5ac are not listed.
Nope, not blank: they'll still show the old stuff as they fetch the new
(and you may even see the kernel being fetched if you time it just
right).
It gets REALLY annoying with Lynx (which is what I usually use for
ftp's) when the directory I'm in disappears from under me. (I'm
admittedly not getting the kernel when it does that, but mon, which is
also hosted on ftp.kernel.org, so only available through mirrors and not
all of them seem to carry /pub/linux/software/admin...)
Use 'normal' ftp or ncftp and you should get a consistent view of the
directory. It's certainly less confusing.
>
>
> Thanks for the explanation,
>
> John Salvo
>
>
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore) wrote:
> > On Fri, 02 Apr 1999 12:03:53 GMT,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Am I the only one experiencing this?
> > >
> > > I mean, alan cox's patches are one minute there, then they are gone??
> >
> > No they're still there: you're just not where you think you are.
> >
> > > I first tried from my nearest mirror site: ftp.au.kernel.org, and saw that
> the
> > > only files in /pub/linux/kernel/alan/2.2 is patch-2.2.3ac2-SMPFIX.diff.
> >
> > Okay, they were just behind in fetching the updates. Mirrors aren't
> > instantaneous.
> >
> > > Then I checked from ftp.us.kernel.org, and saw that the US mirror site is
> more
> > > complete. That is, it has the actual patch-2.2.5-ac?.bz2 files listed
> together
> > > with the SMPFIX.diff file.
> >
> > The problem is right here. 'the' US mirror site is actual one of 14
> > machines chosen by round-robin DNS. Depending on which one you are on,
> > it may or may not have updated yet. And if you use something like Lynx
> > to download (which will open a new session each time) you will bounce
> > between machines. Some will have the files, some won't have them yet.
> >
> > > Finally, I tried ftp.uk.kernel.org. This time, I was able to download the
> rest
> > > of the 2.2.5-ac patches.
> >
> > ftp.uk.kernel.org is only two machines. Both had already updated.
> >
> > > Is it only me?? This happened to me from both ftp and http.
> >
> > www.<country>.kernel.org is also a slew of machines.
> >
> > Give it a bit after release for the changes to propogate.
> >
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