Linux-Misc Digest #715, Volume #20 Sun, 20 Jun 99 23:13:18 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux + RAM >64M ("William Peters")
Re: Debian advocates (William Tanksley)
Re: Debian advocates (William Tanksley)
Re: xdiff / graphical merge utility? (Eric George)
Re: JDK on Linux (George Farris)
Advice for a newbie wanting to program ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: bash feature in ksh (J.D. Baldwin)
sorry guys... something that could help me install winnt (Prasanth)
Re: HP LaserJet 5L + Linux + Samba + Sleep Mode ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: HP LaserJet 5L + Linux + Samba + Sleep Mode ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "William Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux + RAM >64M
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 15:08:47 -0700
I am running RH6 on two systems with 128MB and 256MB respectively. RH
recognized and used the full memory without need for any modifications. I
was running an earlier version of RH or slackware on the first system and it
required a boot parameter that can be automated in your lilo.conf file.
Recompiling the kernel was not necessary. In any case, the newest version
of RedHat should not have a problem addressing the extra memory.
Thomas Ruedas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> A colleague of mine wants to get a new computer with 128MB RAM and needs
> to know if there is a problem for Linux to address more than 64M. I seem
> to remember having read that it is necessary to recompile the kernel
> after an appropriate change if one wants to run Linux with more 64M, but
> I'm not sure and I didn't find a reference to the problem now.
> Any comments? The colleague has one of the newest Red hat releases.
> Thanks,
> --
> --------------------------------------------
> Thomas Ruedas
> Institute of Meteorology and Geophysics,
> J.W. Goethe University Frankfurt/Main
> Feldbergstrasse 47 D-60323 Frankfurt/Main, Germany
> Phone:+49-(0)69-798-24949 Fax:+49-(0)69-798-23280
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.geophysik.uni-frankfurt.de/~ruedas/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Tanksley)
Crossposted-To: linux.debian.user,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Debian advocates
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 01:43:26 GMT
On 20 Jun 1999 19:15:52 -0500, Andrew Comech wrote:
>On 19 Jun 1999 21:18:51 GMT, Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Salman Ahmed wrote
>> >I would really like to hear people's positive and negative experiences with
>> >Debian, and also arguments in favor of switching to Debian.
>> Debian negative: The install procedure for media other than CD ROM
>> is poorly documented.
>Good enough to get everything running. And, again, they
>warn that the CD-ROM installation is the _easiest_. And, is not
>RedHAt even more CD-ROM-oriented?
Actually, I was suprised to find that the Redhat FTP install was quite
usable (when I installed it on a PowerMac). Much, much better than the
5.0 and earlier installs I'd undergone, especially since it took only one
try (every single other RH install I've attempted has resulted in file
system corruption for the first couple of tries).
Now, once you have the thing installed it's pretty pathetic to upgrade --
you have to boot back through an entire install diskette in order to
merely upgrade (as far as I can determine).
>> And if you start reading the package descriptions, your initial dselect run
>> can be three hours or more. It's a *big* distribution.
>It suffices to find the packages you want (e.g. emacs, tex, ppp),
>and they will suck in the dependencies as well.
Precisely. I REALLY wish that the (s)earch function would search the
descriptions or blurbs, though -- searching by package name is darn close
to useless.
However, whenn you add in all the positives and negatives, I'd rather
stick with Debian -- sure, it's a bit hard to find an app's name, but
once you know its name getting it is easy. Compare this to Redhat, where
you usually have to download and install the app completely by hand, and
upgrades to the app exactly the same.
>Best,
>a.
--
-William "Billy" Tanksley
Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
:-: May faulty logic undermine your entire philosophy!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Tanksley)
Crossposted-To: linux.debian.user,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Debian advocates
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 01:55:28 GMT
On Sun, 20 Jun 1999 20:31:23 GMT, David Frye wrote:
>My number 1 and 2 reasons for *not* using Debian
>1. deselect - sucks big time, outdated, takes forever to run through and
>install anything with it. Granted, apt is now available, but you still must use
>deselect when you install Debian.
Not true at all in any point. dselect certainly needs improvement, but
the fact remains that it's _there_ -- no other distribution has anything
that comes close.
I use dselect relatively often, and although finding the name of an app
may be guesswork and the search function crippled, at least the app's
_there_ and ready to install at an instant's notice.
>2. updates - security updates from Debian only support the current release. If
>you are running on 2.0 and it is working fine for you, why must you update to
>2.1 just to get a simple security update (i.e. wu-ftpd).
You don't _have_ to, but odds are you're better off doing so.
>Security updates seem
>to be compiled with the most current versions of system libriaries that the
>developer maintaining that package has on his system, and there is little, if
>any, support for previous released versions of Debian.
Annd why should there be, when it costs no more than a couple of hours
modem downtime to upgrade?
>Granted, I could use apt - get update etc. etc., but on a 33.6 modem, It could
>take forever and a day to get all the libraries that I would need just to
>update one package due to a security problem.
I upgraded from 1.3 to 2.0 through a 33.6 modem, and it merely took a few
hours. Not the tribulation you seem to be expectinng -- and that was a
massive update (it went without a hitch, BTW).
>Having said that, I firmly beleive in Debian's Free Software Guidelines, and
>what they are trying to accomplish. But, until they offer support for previous
>versions or take into account that not everyone has the resources to update
>their system to the most current release via dial-up, I will not use their
>product again.
>I did use Debian 2.0 for a long time, but it got impossible to update it with
>security updates without upgrading the entire system to the most current
>release. Therefore, I switched to another distribution that does not require
>you to be running the most current release to get security updates. If it
>works, why should I constantly update to the newest release?
Because of other bugfixes? Because it's not as hard as you think?
Alternately, it's not that difficult to get source packages instead, and
just set apt-get to compile them automatically.
I have a hard time thinnking of how to get the minor advanntage you're
asking for (all security patches available for all back versions) while
keeping all the advantages Debian has now (easy upgrades, solid testing).
Evenntually there are just too mmany back versions to test, and no testers
because they've all upgraded!
--
-William "Billy" Tanksley
Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
:-: May faulty logic undermine your entire philosophy!
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From: Eric George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: xdiff / graphical merge utility?
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 19:32:49 -0500
T.E.Dickey wrote:
>
> Eric George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > On SGI's the is a nice utility called xdiff. It brings up to text files
> > in side by side windows and highlights the differences between the
> > files. You can the scroll through and choose which version of each
> > difference you want to keep and save the result. Very handy for looking
> > at different versions of source files and such!
>
> > I've looked at several sites and haven't found anything like this. Does
> > it exist for Linux? If so, where??
>
> http://www.ede.com/free/tkdiff/index.html
>
> --
> Thomas E. Dickey
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey
Thanks! Looks like exactly what I need!
Now, if I could only get it to run!?
I downloaded the file tkdiff-3.03.tcl from the site, and made it
executable. But when I try to run it I get:
bash; ./tkdiff-3.03.tcl; No such file or directory
If I try to run it from the TCL shell I get:
couldn't execute "./tkdiff-3.03.tcl": no such file or directory
I tried renaming it just tkdiff and tried running it as root. All with
identical results. I've never really done anything with TCL scripts
before, does anybody see what I'm doing wrong?
I believe it has to do with my wish executable not being where this
script expects it to be. (It's in /usr/bin)
I've fooled around with the first few lines, but can't get it to work.
As far as I can tell, my TCL shell and wish work properly.
Thanks
Eric
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (George Farris)
Subject: Re: JDK on Linux
Date: 20 Jun 1999 22:29:53 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ted Sikora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Christian Ahkman wrote:
>>
> For development work, use 1.1.7-v3 for glibc. 1.2 pre-release is still a
> bit buggy although it varies from system to system depending on how it
> is setup ie; libraries, Motif, etc. On one system I have with the latest
> libraries and Metro Motif it is pretty stable. On another (SuSE 6.1 and
> plain-jane RedHat 6.0) it has problems.
>
Anyone have an RPM of 1.1.7 for use with glibc-2.1 libs. I'm using RH6.0.
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From: ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Subject: Advice for a newbie wanting to program
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 01:13:52 GMT
Hello,
I recently started running Redhat 5.2 and thought I might begin to
learn a little about the various languages available.
I want to make the following a pet project while I learn more about
linux and programming during my off hours:
An application for use by about 6 persons logged into a linux box via
dumb terminals (old dos laptops running terminal emulators) for a role
playing game.
The main purpose is to allow the players access to their character
information which would be less than 1 Meg per player.
All options should be accessable from a menu available at all times
(visible or available by key combination).
The players and game master should be able to cursor through the
fields and access more detailed information on any one of them -
history, value, misc notes, etc..
The game Master must have the ability to view and edit any player's
info at will.
The secondary purpose is for players and game master to communicate
with others in some sort of "chat" window.
The game master should have control over who chats with whom and when,
as well as who sees which messages.
It is possible this could grow into a more complex project later on.
My questions:
Is the dumb terminal idea feasible?
What language(s) is/are best for this purpose?
Should I just use Lynx with HTML and CGI scripts?
Should I use C and have flexibility but be forced to code every line?
Should I use SQL? I know very little about it but am willing to learn.
Should/could I use Rebol?
Thanks for any suggestions!
Wade Segade
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove the obvious)
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.admin,linux.redhat.misc
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J.D. Baldwin)
Subject: Re: bash feature in ksh
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 01:45:09 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Robert Chung
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Somehow typing partial file name and then typing TAB key
> automatically prints full file name in bash but not in ksh. For
> example, typing ".prof" and TAB prints out ".profile" in bash. I am
> wondering what switch turns this on in bash, and if it is possible
> to do the same in ksh. Thank you in advance.
Someone else mentioned the vi method, but if you prefer Emacs
equivalents for command-line editing, type 'set -o emacs' (or gmacs,
which is identical except for transposition with ^T). Then ESC ESC
will be your completion-to-uniqueness keystroke sequence.
Likewise ^P, ^N will move up and down the command history, etc. Most
of the stuff you're used to in bash will work in ksh. ksh has the
advantage that it's installed just about everywhere.
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From: Prasanth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: sorry guys... something that could help me install winnt
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 21:59:00 -0400
before you guys go ahead and flame me...
read me out and dont hit the reply to sender button... its gonna bounce
back to you
i have recently installed suse 6.1
while installing i noticed some very good RAID support in the install
program.
so here is what i wanna to do.
I usually build winnt servers. and wish to automate the proccess.
i have used single floppy linux versions before.
is there some version of linux which auto loads any SCSI interface found
( lets say mylex, qlogic and adaptec)
if there are ways to configure these single boot floppy linux all
pointers to them are appreciated.
these are the followin steps that im looking for with all process
automated. until i say.
i will be using Mtools to prep the SCSI HDD
1. boot of linux floppy
2. detect SCSI cards (All PCI cards)
3. Load appropiate module based on card Found ( the card will have its
BIOS Enabled by default)
4. Partition SCSI HARD DRIVE
5. format the SCSI drive with MTOOLS.
6. Mount CDROM
7. Transfer necessary file to SCSI HD
8. Unmount CDROM
9. Mount back with WINNT cdrom
10 . BUIILD my i 386 directory structure as prescribed by M$
OEM install procedure
11. unmount winnt cdrom
12. Kick off Unattend Winnt Install. ( If required reboot)
If you have any thoughts or sugesstions please let me know
OK OK OK OK - I know i can install Winnt directly to the machine and
there is no need for this procedure
i have to do this sought of thing in terms of bussiness sense too.
i currently us perl scripts to do this in dos env. so porting them to
unix will not be big deal.
any hardware probing unix software will be great.
so guys dont flame me ... This is being posted from SUSE 6.1 Powered
machine with netscape 4.51 for linux
thanks for your time and all help is appreciated
if you can send me direct it would be great. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
or else post it here.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.periphs.printers,comp.sys.hp.hardware
Subject: Re: HP LaserJet 5L + Linux + Samba + Sleep Mode
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:32:10 GMT
It is not just a Linux problem. I've got a 5L
that works fine when connected directly to a Win98
machine, but when I connect it either to a Linux
box or to an Axis ethernet print server I see the
same problem. In both cases I get the problem
*sometimes*. The work-around is to press the
multi-purpose button to wake it up before I print.
My theory is that on receiving byte 1 the printer
wakes up, but that the timing of byte 2 is
critical. I suspect that they are sending the
second byte without adequately checking the ready
bit on the port, or the HP sets the bit before it
is truly ready, or that the HP is sending back
text that it expects the host to handle.
I'm suspect that the HP 5 series sorta expects to
carry on a dialog with the computer, and Linux and
and the Axis server expect a one-way
communication. I want to try modifying the
spooler to send a NULL, flush, delay, and then
send the spooled text, but I've not gotten around
to it.
In article
<psqa3.2534$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Clark) wrote:
> In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Casey McGinty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Ok, heres a quick question:
> >
> >I have a HP LaserJet 5L connected to a Linux
server running Samba. I
> >have 2 other Win98 machines that I have
printing to the LaserJet 5L.
> >The slight problem I am having is that if I
send a print job to the
> >laserJet when it is in sleep mode, the printer
stops, and all three
> >display lights come on. To fix this I have to
unplug the printer and
> >then plug it back in. The printer comes back to
life and then will
> >spit out the pages i was trying to print, only
they are filled with
> >junk.
>
> According to my 5L manual, all three lights
means a hardware error that
> requires calling HP support. This doesn't sound
like a Samba-related
> problem: what happens if you print directly from
the Linux machine?
>
> Rob Clark, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.periphs.printers,comp.sys.hp.hardware
Subject: Re: HP LaserJet 5L + Linux + Samba + Sleep Mode
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:40:23 GMT
The problem is not limited to Linux. I have an HPLJ 5L that works fine
when connected directly to a Win98 machine, but exhibits similar
symptoms when connected to a Linux box or to an Axis ethernet print
server. Sometimes it wakes and prints successfully, other times it
displays the orange paper-out LED until I power cycle it.
Theories:
* The HP needs a delay between bytes 1 and 2 and this is a data
overrun.
* The HP is sending back text and expects the computer to read it.
When I get the time I'm going to try modifying the Linux print spooler
to start by sending a null byte, flushing, delaying, and then sending
the data. If that doesn't get it I'm going to try to update the LPT
driver to capture printer replies to a log file.
In article <psqa3.2534$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Clark) wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Casey McGinty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Ok, heres a quick question:
> >
> >I have a HP LaserJet 5L connected to a Linux server running Samba. I
> >have 2 other Win98 machines that I have printing to the LaserJet 5L.
> >The slight problem I am having is that if I send a print job to the
> >laserJet when it is in sleep mode, the printer stops, and all three
> >display lights come on. To fix this I have to unplug the printer and
> >then plug it back in. The printer comes back to life and then will
> >spit out the pages i was trying to print, only they are filled with
> >junk.
>
> According to my 5L manual, all three lights means a hardware error
that
> requires calling HP support. This doesn't sound like a Samba-related
> problem: what happens if you print directly from the Linux machine?
>
> Rob Clark, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html
>
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