Linux-Misc Digest #724, Volume #19 Sat, 3 Apr 99 14:13:18 EST
Contents:
Re: uninstall (Michael Wilms)
Re: HD sleeping?! (Michael Wilms)
Re: Need IDE CD-R configuration help! (Geert Decorte)
Re: Trouble getting ftape to work properly with DJ-20 (QIC-80) floppy tape drive
(Robert Lynch)
Re: VMWARE -- why isn't it the rage topic of discussion? (David M. Cook)
Re: uninstall (Michael Wilms)
Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0 (John Thompson)
Re: HD sleeping?! (Michael Wilms)
Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0 (James Goldman)
Problem while Upgrading Kernel (TeaLeaf)
Re: My Linux machine froze!! (William Burrow)
Re: Proprietary Linux -- End Of Open Source Software! (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? (Steve Wolfe)
Re: Help ! How do I mount audio cdroms ? ("David Z. Maze")
Re: Repost of My Code ("Spud")
Re: Problem with Extracting compressed Linux Programs ("Spud")
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the (Christopher)
Re: Modest proposal, (was: Re: hacked /bin/login: can't replace it) (NF Stevens)
LINUX SPARC (Dr Michael Storck)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? (marek jedlinski)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Wilms)
Subject: Re: uninstall
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 19:49:19 +0200
What do you want to uninstall?
LILO?
Try: fdisk /mbr
This will remove lilo from the master boot record.
RH5.2?
just use fdisk again and delete the partitions by using the d command.
But take care. First have a look at on which device RH 5.2 is installed.
If it's installed e.g. on /dev/hdb you have to use fdisk as:
fdisk /dev/hdb
If you're unsure if you just chose the correct drive use the p command
in order to look at the partitions available on the current drive.
Any Linux partiton should have the ID 83 (except for swap: 82).
And afterwards...your drive will look like a virgin ;-)
Bye, Michael
Roland Herrera schrieb:
>
> Please a helper !
> I've installed linux red hat 5.2 on my D partition -
> ( LILO boot is on C )
>
> How do I uninstall + get rid of LILO + get my partition back ?
>
> Well - I don't have the time to guess what it all does
>
> Thx
> Roland
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Wilms)
Subject: Re: HD sleeping?!
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 19:34:41 +0200
I guess it's an internal job of the hard drive. It's called 'thermal
calibration'.
I've never heard that it might be possible to suppress it...
Bye,
Michael
Kiki schrieb:
>
> Hi!
> I have my Linux box up 24 hours a day, and during the night I notice it
> accessing my hard drive often, sometimes a soon as every 10 minutes.
> Is there any way to find out what processes are doing that? I want to set
> hard drive on my Linux box sleep all night! But I can not shut down Linux
> box because I want to use "crond". Any idea how to sleep my hard disk for
> all night?
> Thanks!!! Christian
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From: Geert Decorte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.hardware,linux.redhat.install,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need IDE CD-R configuration help!
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 19:15:44 +0200
Holden MacRoyn wrote:
> Help! I'm having trouble getting xcdroast to recognize my CD-R as a CD
> Writer.
>
> Both drives appear in the xcdroast device window but setup will not
> allow me to specify wither as read or write devices.
>
> I have an IDE Panasonic 7582-CDR, and a normal IDE CD-ROM for reading. I
> am running Mandrake Linux 5.3 (RedHat 5.2 with all the latest drivers
> updated and tested).
>
> From reading the HOWTO for CD-Writing, there is some mention that Linux
> has difficulty with IDE CD-R devices and that I have to somehow trick
> the kernel into recognizing these devices as Generic SCSI devices. The
> cdrecord and xcdroast documentation allude to this but give very little
> information in HOWTO do it.
>
> If anyone has successfully done this, please point me in the right
> direction.
>
> Thanks - S
Recompile a kernel with scsi emulation. disable ide-atapi support. I'm
using a 2.036 kernel but after recompiling I've lost sound. CD writing
works perfect. I have to upgrade to 2.2.x kernel
used pentium 133
64 Mb ram
HP 7100I IDE CDWRITER
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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 09:01:06 -0800
From: Robert Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Trouble getting ftape to work properly with DJ-20 (QIC-80) floppy tape
drive
Daniel J. Wright wrote:
>
> I'm having trouble getting ftape to work properly with my tape drive.
> I'm
> using the ftape version that comes with the 2.2.5 kernel distribution.
>
[snip-long logging stuff]
> I am certain that there is no problem with the tape or with the drive.
> I've tried ftformat, ftmt erase, mt erase, and doing a backup with tar.
> They all give the same problem.
> The lines that stick out the most to me are lines 13 and 19. Does
> anybody know what ftape error code 26 is, or what "wrong signature in
> header segment" means? I've searched all over the ftape web page
> looking for info on this, and there just doesn't seem to be any.
>
> Thanks for any help in advance.
>
> --
>
> Daniel J. Wright Ahoo Ehdonhon Edeh Hdahne
> HTTP://DWRIGHT.HOME.ML.ORG "Bringer of Fireworks"
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] === || >>>---|>--->> || =====
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wagion Lodge 6, Order of the Arrow
I'd try upgrading to ftape-4.0.2 (? something like that). The stuff
that comes with the kernel is 1 version older than current. May cure
your problem.
HTH. Bob L.
--
Robert Lynch-Berkeley CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.best.com/~rmlynch/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: VMWARE -- why isn't it the rage topic of discussion?
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 18:18:36 GMT
On 1 Apr 1999 11:16:08 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm quite surprised that VMWARE (www.vmware.com) isn't
>being discussed much. I've been waiting years for just
I'm waiting for the other suckers to pay off vmware's development cost so
the price will come down to something reasonable.
Dave Cook
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Wilms)
Subject: Re: uninstall
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 20:08:08 +0200
What do you want to uninstall?
LILO?
Try: fdisk /mbr
This will remove lilo from the master boot record.
RH5.2?
just use fdisk again and delete the partitions by using the d command.
But take care. First have a look at on which device RH 5.2 is installed.
If it's installed e.g. on /dev/hdb you have to use fdisk as:
fdisk /dev/hdb
If you're unsure if you just chose the correct drive use the p command
in order to look at the partitions available on the current drive.
Any Linux partiton should have the ID 83 (except for swap: 82).
And afterwards...your drive will look like a virgin ;-)
Bye, Michael
Roland Herrera schrieb:
>
> Please a helper !
> I've installed linux red hat 5.2 on my D partition -
> ( LILO boot is on C )
>
> How do I uninstall + get rid of LILO + get my partition back ?
>
> Well - I don't have the time to guess what it all does
>
> Thx
> Roland
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 22:39:05 -0600
Jeremy Crabtree wrote:
>
> (Sorry, I just couldn't resist...;)
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] allegedly wrote:
> [SNIP]
>
> >Are you saying the the X windowing system is a worthless
> >piece of software, because you can use linux with virtual consoles only?
>
> YEAH! X is WORTHLESS for /exactly/ that reason! Heck, I even have
> root-menus on my consoles! ;P
>
> (BTW, I really do have root-menus on my consoles ;)
So?
I have *root beer* on my console, but I'm not bragging about
it; I'm looking for a towel.
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Wilms)
Subject: Re: HD sleeping?!
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 20:07:57 +0200
I guess it's an internal job of the hard drive. It's called 'thermal
calibration'.
I've never heard that it might be possible to suppress it...
Bye,
Michael
Kiki schrieb:
>
> Hi!
> I have my Linux box up 24 hours a day, and during the night I notice it
> accessing my hard drive often, sometimes a soon as every 10 minutes.
> Is there any way to find out what processes are doing that? I want to set
> hard drive on my Linux box sleep all night! But I can not shut down Linux
> box because I want to use "crond". Any idea how to sleep my hard disk for
> all night?
> X-Mozilla-Status: 0009
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From: James Goldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 11:08:54 -0700
Alexander Viro wrote:
> IMHO it's RH *trouble*. Bad luck, if you prefer such term. Discussing
> what *might* happen is pretty much pointless - RH made a kind of press
> that attracted an odd crowd of gimme-Windows-not-from-Evil-Empire
> lusers.
So what's wrong with that? Getting away from Bills Happy Point'n'Drool
Playgroud is exactly what got me started on Linux. Now that I've got it
all set up and I have a clue how to use it, I actually have come to love
it for its features and could no longer care less about Microshaft. Or
whether anybody else switches, for that matter.
> It's about luserness. Quite a different thing. RH got a lot of newbies
> (probably more than other distributions, but I suspect that nobody has
> numbers) *plus* almost all lusers. The thing being, lusers are much
> more vocal...
True, but how do you distinguish the two? For me, a Linux luser is one
who expects Linux to be exactly like windows and gets really annoyed
when it isn't. But who's fault is it that the Linux world is rapidly
filling up with this ilk? I'll tell you who: Microsoft and general
ignorance.
People have been stuck with DOS/Win31/95/98/NT/CE/2000 for so long they
can't imagine anything else. That's M$'s influence. And now there's this
big ol' bandwagon again. Linux has become a buzzword.
I consider this rather bizarre, in a way. I mean, if you've been
speaking only English all your life and you decide to learn Norwegian or
something, you'd be an idiot to expect it to be the same, wouldn't you?
Yet so many people think in just that way about operating systems.
That's the ignorance part.
For me, switching to Linux was exactly what I expected. I mean, I *knew*
it would be different in the same way learning DOS was a pain when my
experience up to that time was Commodore64 (don't laugh - I loved that
machine!). So I knew I'd have to read a lot to get good.
James
=====================================================================
DOS is evil
Windows95 is eviler
Windows98 is evilerer
Windows2000? I wonder ...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (TeaLeaf)
Subject: Problem while Upgrading Kernel
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 18:29:03 GMT
Hi,
I have just installed RedHat 5.2 (kernel 2.0.36??) from PC-Plus
magazine coverdisk (UK). Also on this magazine is Kernel 2.2.2
I have followed the procedure for upgarding the Kernel but I am having
a problem..
Installation of RH5.2 went okay
X-Windows and everything working fine
Start upgrade:
I copied "linux-2-2-2-??.tar.gz" to /usr/src (as root)
I unpacked the source
I move to /usr/src/linux and read the README
I do a "make mrproper"
<here i get an error 'cos make isn't installed so I used RPM to
install make>
<i also realize that gcc isn't installed so I install gcc using RPM
too>
"make mrproper" okay now
"make config" - okay
"make dep" - this fails as standard header files can be found
(ctype.h, stdio.h etc...)
I have read GCC-HOWTO and Kernel-HOWTO and MAKEFILE and cannot see
what I have missed.
The headers are where they should be. Symbolic links are in place
(usr/include/linux and usr/include/asm)
Any help appreciated..
tia
Darrell.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Subject: Re: My Linux machine froze!!
Date: 3 Apr 1999 18:12:15 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 03 Apr 1999 11:54:24 +0000,
Steve Gage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Ilya wrote:
>>
>> I was downloading a web page via Netscape when my machine froze. The mouse,
>> the keyboard, everything. The page didn't finish downloading, it just froze
>> too. CTRL-ALT F1 didn't don't anything, neither did CTRL-ALT-DEL. I had to
>> reset it. When it was booting up, I got a message - something like this:
>
>Next time try CTRL-ALT-BKSP to kill X. It's never failed for me.
I've heard somewhere that pinging a stuck 2.2 machine might unstick it.
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
~ ()>()
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Proprietary Linux -- End Of Open Source Software!
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 18:35:25 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matthias Warkus wrote:
>It was the Fri, 02 Apr 1999 18:24:39 GMT...
>..and Juergen Heinzl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark S. Bilk wrote:
>> ><LI><a
>href="http://www.salonmagazine.com/21st/feature/1999/04/01feature.html">Salon 21st |
>Money talks -- open source walks</a>
>>
>> You're 24 hours late ...
>> > SALON | April 1, 1999
>> ....
>
>Yes. It's a shame; it was the best-done AFJ I've seen so far (and I
>suppose I won't see any more AFJs this year:).
Well, the best one I saw was about papers found in the Vatican that
prove 2000 is not a leapyear ...
Cheers,
Juergen
--
\ Real name : J�rgen Heinzl \ no flames /
\ EMail Private : [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ send money instead /
\ Phone Private : +44 181-332 0750 \ /
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From: Steve Wolfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 11:15:20 -0500
Christopher wrote:
>
> Matthias Warkus wrote:
> >
> > It was the 2 Apr 1999 15:24:18 -0500...
> > ..and Tom Betz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Quoth "George Georgakis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in
><01be7653$3a3ea620$0101a8c0@george>:
> > > |Much as I hate to say it, for ease of use and for those of the "just
> > > |install and use it" crowd, I must agree that Win9* is currently ahead of
> > > |all flavours of Linux.
> > >
> > > Sad, but true.
> > >
> > > Little things annoy. For example, there is no common buffer for
> > > cutting and pasting between apps.
> >
> > Sure there is.
> >
> > > You can't do something as simple
> > > as paste text copied from an xterm session into, say, Netscape.
> >
> > Netscape is a screwed-up app, that's why it works with almost
> > everything but Netscape.
> >
> > mawa
> > --
> > My guess is Absoft did things right. Now if we could just get
> > Microsoft on the bandwagon.
> > -- Bill Seymour
>
> Try holding the shift key while highlighting the text and hold shift when pasting. I
>can paste just about
> anywhere with this method.
> Chris
Silly question, but how do I emulate 3 buttons with a two button mouse?
--
=======================================================================
Steve Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Posted via Redhat Linux 5.1 - because that's where I want to go today
=======================================================================
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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help ! How do I mount audio cdroms ?
Date: 03 Apr 1999 13:51:15 -0500
Eightfold=AE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
8f> I'm running the KDE desktop. There is a "CD Player" . I've read
8f> the docs and "HOW-TOs" and can't find anything about mounting and
8f> playing audio cdroms.....
Well, I can tell you that you don't mount audio-only CD's. To play
them I generally use tcd, or when GNOME worked on my machine the GNOME
version of gtcd; AFAICT the KDE CD player should work fine. Maybe if
you described your specific problem people could help...
--
David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://donut.mit.edu/dmaze/
"Hey, Doug, do you mind if I push the Emergency Booth Self-Destruct Button?"
"Oh, sure, Dave, whatever...you _do_ know what that does, right?"
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From: "Spud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Repost of My Code
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 18:42:29 GMT
Why the fuck are you posting this to a Linux newsgroup?
>Here's another post of my code in case some of you didn't see the
>original post on 3/31/99 at 6:49 p.m.
>
>Thanks for responding, attached are my code and the test file I use. It
>ain't pretty but I usually do clean up last. I too have written a number
of
>CGI programs in C. I have home web pages for X-10 home control and control
>of a remote control for controlling my VCR, TV, etc. I usually have gotten
>by this problem of the program stopping dead in the past by just adding an
>fflush(NULL). Not working this time though. I can get the program to
write
>the CGI values returned to a file, but it does not want to execute anything
>past that point once it writes the values. The problem with fopen() was
>caused by file permissions (doh!!!).
>
>The view portion of the program works fine. I submit
>/cgi-bin/schedule.exe?VIEW and it reads the file and displays a web page
>back to the user. It's the save portion that is giving me problems. I hit
>the save button, the only button active right now, and it just doesn't
write
>all the data to the file. I have the program set to read only 5 records
>right now. It usually writes data for the fourth one to the file and then
>quits. But, if I click both the check boxes on the fifth record in the
view
>screen, it will then write it also. Very strange.
>
>Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
>
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From: "Spud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problem with Extracting compressed Linux Programs
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 18:43:20 GMT
That is not enough information for anyone to help you. What EXACT
problems are you having? Installing? Installing packages once your system is
running? Be more specific.
>Greetings,
>I bought RedHat 5.2 from CheapBytes as well as 3 archive CD's with
>programs on them. However I am stuck at how to decompress and
>ultimately install, I have tried many things including gunzip but it
>dosen't seem to work can anyone out there give me a clue or two, a in
>how to solve this.
>
>P.S Im a newbie to Linux, so plz excuse my stupidity
>
>Many Thanks
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From: Christopher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 10:18:02 -0600
Steve Wolfe wrote:
>
> Christopher wrote:
> >
> > Matthias Warkus wrote:
> > >
> > > It was the 2 Apr 1999 15:24:18 -0500...
> > > ..and Tom Betz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Quoth "George Georgakis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in
><01be7653$3a3ea620$0101a8c0@george>:
> > > > |Much as I hate to say it, for ease of use and for those of the "just
> > > > |install and use it" crowd, I must agree that Win9* is currently ahead of
> > > > |all flavours of Linux.
> > > >
> > > > Sad, but true.
> > > >
> > > > Little things annoy. For example, there is no common buffer for
> > > > cutting and pasting between apps.
> > >
> > > Sure there is.
> > >
> > > > You can't do something as simple
> > > > as paste text copied from an xterm session into, say, Netscape.
> > >
> > > Netscape is a screwed-up app, that's why it works with almost
> > > everything but Netscape.
> > >
> > > mawa
> > > --
> > > My guess is Absoft did things right. Now if we could just get
> > > Microsoft on the bandwagon.
> > > -- Bill Seymour
> >
> > Try holding the shift key while highlighting the text and hold shift when pasting.
>I can paste just about
> > anywhere with this method.
> > Chris
>
> Silly question, but how do I emulate 3 buttons with a two button mouse?
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Steve Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Posted via Redhat Linux 5.1 - because that's where I want to go today
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Push both buttons at the same time. I have found though that I can paste with a 2
button mouse by just
hitting the right button.
Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Subject: Re: Modest proposal, (was: Re: hacked /bin/login: can't replace it)
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 18:47:20 GMT
killspam@wkulecz$pam$uck$.bigfoot.com (Walter B Kulecz, PhD) wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
>wrote:
[snip]
>>chattr -i -a /bin/login
>>
>>Norman
>
>I've made this suggestion before but have never had it fall on the
>right ears to even start a discussion.
>
>Adding a seperate password to the immutable attribute in the kernel
>file system code (or wherever it resides) would go a long ways torward
>shutting down the script kids.
Where would you put the password? What provisions would you have
for changing it? If the cracker got hold of this password and
changed it you would have no way of recovering your system.
>If I remember correctly from my BDSI days, they had an immutable
>attribute that could only be changed when in single user mode. In
>practice, this was too severe to be much help as it kills the ability
>to do remote updates.
Does the kernel know about single user mode? An alternative could
be to have something like securetty which limits who can manipulate
the immutable flag.
Personally I can't see any valid reason for using the immutable
attribute on files owned by root. It provides no additional
security since root can always override it using the chattr
command, and for non-root users its no different from not
having the write permission to the file.
>Maybe I'll hit the lotto and then have time to impliment it myself :-)
Best of luck.
Norman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dr Michael Storck)
Subject: LINUX SPARC
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 19:31:34 +0200
Hello from Rostock, Germany
I have RedHat Linux 5.2 running on an old SparcClassic
Sun m4 50 Mhz system.
The RedHat distribution has no graphic www browser.
Could anybody be so kind and compile either arena or
mosaic for me to run on the sparc ?
I tried to compile it myself, however i have problems
with missing libs and due to limited hard disk space
i cannot install all the libs in the developers pkgs.
The system runs with X11 R6 and lynx works allright
in text mode.
Thanks for any support
Mike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (marek jedlinski)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 18:56:25 GMT
[followups trimmed]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremiah) wrote:
>In article <7e391i$ksm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Betz) spake thusly:
>> Little things annoy. For example, there is no common buffer for
>> cutting and pasting between apps. You can't do something as simple
>> as paste text copied from an xterm session into, say, Netscape.
>
> ? Sure you can... I do it all the time... select the
>section with the left button, paste with the middle button. It's
>also a lot faster than the Windows method: select with the left
>button, click Ctrl-C to copy
Slight correction: the (better) Windows method is to make your selection
with Shift+arrow keys: much quicker and much more *precise* than with the
mouse. Or, for large chunks, Shift+PgUp/PgDn/End/Home will get you there
really fast.
.marek
--
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If you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is stop diggin'.
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