Linux-Misc Digest #402, Volume #18 Wed, 30 Dec 98 03:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: Memory Problems (Chuan Wee)
redhat rpm (Aihua Wu)
Re: Fetchmail broken after switch to Qmail (Mark Brown)
Re: Where to get Linux FAQ (Robert Kiesling)
Re: How to use USR modem connect to the internet? (Leonard Evens)
Latest stable kernel 2.0.36? (oak)
FIX for problems connecting 95/98/NT to Samba servers ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
"Host name lookup failure" error RH 5.0 to 5.2 (Brian Faivre)
Re: The goal of Open Source (NF Stevens)
Re: Am I stupid or am I stupid. PPP. ALMOST!!! (Darren Greer)
TkRat and libtcl8.0.so unresolved symbol 'stat' (???) (Dave Bailey)
Re: How to use USR modem connect to the internet? (Gary Momarison)
Re: Latest stable kernel 2.0.36? (Mike Werner)
Re: ln: Musty smell to its man page ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Installing two copies of Linux (Gary Momarison)
Re: SCSI CDROM and Kernel 2.0.36 not working (Stefan Karlsson)
Re: The goal of Open Source (steve mcadams)
Re: spreadsheet? (Gary Momarison)
compiling question. ("dan pellerin")
Re: what do linux fokes vote? (John Edstrom)
Re: Netscape 4.5 for Nwsreading ? ("Dennis K. Grow")
Re: system lockup (Gary Momarison)
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:58:37 +0800
From: Chuan Wee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Memory Problems
Its actually a kernel bug, which has been resolved in the 2.0.36 version.
Be careful about compiling the 2.0.36 kernel as there seems to be some problem
about the compilier.
If you need help on compiling 2.0.36, try this site to get the patch:
http://www.linuxrx.com/
Cheers.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aihua Wu)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: redhat rpm
Date: 29 Dec 1998 15:11:58 -0800
Hi, all:
I am using the Redhat linux:
In my first time, I install it by floppy disk.
Now I have one redhat running on hard disk,
I plan to install redhat linux on other disks,
my plan is to mount other disks and write a sh script
to automate it, but I don't know what procedure to follow.
My understanding is to use rpm, but it require some order
because of package dependency.
Thanks for any suggestion.
Aihua Wu
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From: Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fetchmail broken after switch to Qmail
Date: 30 Dec 1998 03:27:11 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] () writes:
> Fetchmail won't work anymore since "upgrading" to qmail - used to work like
> a champ with sendmail. I use Pine3.95.rpm, on Redhat5.0, and have the
> following line in /home/ncrose/.fetchmailrc:
qmail is very standards-conformant, and old versions of fetchmail send
broken line terminators (I can't remember the exact problem) which
qmail quite validly rejects. Upgrade to a more modern version of
fetchmail (RPMs and source can be found on the homepage
http://earthspace.net/~esr/fetchmail/) and everything should work
fine.
When rejecting messages qmail produces a message pointing to a web
page which explains the problem, but unfortunately fetchmail chooses
not to display it on the console even when producing verbose output.
You should be able to see more detailed logs in the mail logs
(/var/log/maillog on RedHat IIRC).
--
Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness)
http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/
EUFS http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
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Subject: Re: Where to get Linux FAQ
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Kiesling)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:55:12 GMT
In article <769nl3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Paul Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Been following this ng and comp.os.linux.answers for a while but seen
>no references to date. Can somebody point me to a Linux FAQ, if it
>exists, please.
It's posted weekly to news.answers, comp.answers, and this newsgroup.
Recent versions of the FAQ are at http://sunsite.unc.edu/LDP/. (I
should have a macro for that) and the archive at
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/. Let me know if you can't find them
and I'll e-mail them to you.
--
Robert Kiesling
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to use USR modem connect to the internet?
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:35:27 -0600
Kangoroo wrote:
> Hello,
> I just install Linux RedHat 5.2. I have a 56K US Robotic modem which I
> connect to ISP Earthlink in Win98. In Linux, I try to set up PPP but it
> doesn't work. So how do I set up, dial phone, and connect to the
> internet in the Linux environment? Thank you in advance for any help.
First, you had better not have their Winmodem because then it is hopeless.
With the regular internal modem, it should be possible but the last time
I tried I could not get Linux to talk to the modem. With an external
modem, I succeeded.
The first thing to check is that you can actually talk to the modem. You
can do this by first figuring out which port it is supposed to be at. The
general
rule of thumb is that if Windows thinks the modem is at COMn, then
you use /dev/cua(n-1) and /dev/ttyS(n-1). For example, in the
appropriate
ppp-on script, if your modem is at COM1 under windows, then you would
use /dev/ttyS0.
After you have figured out which port to use, use the modemtool to
have /dev/modem link to it, and then run minicom. If the command
AT
does not give back an OK, Linux is not talking to the modem.
If you can actually talk to the modem, the rest is a matter of putting the
right dialogue in the script ppp-on-dialer. There are samples to start
with on your disk. But to get the details just right, you have to find
out
what your ISP expects. Probably someone has already done it and may
be able to send scripts which work with your ISP.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: oak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Latest stable kernel 2.0.36?
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 23:59:32 GMT
Is the latest stable kernel 2.0.36? kernel.org didn't
mention the latest STABLE kernel.
Thanks.
-Tony
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc,linux.samba
Subject: FIX for problems connecting 95/98/NT to Samba servers
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 05:28:01 GMT
Hello world, I have seen many posts here in the Linux networking newsgroups
about problems connecting Windows 98/NT and some Win95OSR2 (Win95B) machines
to boxes running Samba, and I have even made a few posts myself. The problems
lie in a decision Megasoft made relating to security in 95OSR2, 98, and
NT4SP3+. In these versions of the operating systems, passwords are encrypted
before being sent across the network. Older versions of Samba apparently
relied on plain-text passwords. This problem will result in constant password
failures when trying to connect to Samba boxes from these operating systems
even when everything else appears to be okay with the network. I have seen
several work-arounds posted, some involving editing the system registry
(which opens up security holes- this globally disables password encryption
for most network apps that use Windows password resources- I have not seen a
fix like this for 95 or 98 machines). However, probably the best thing to do
is use the password encryption features of the newer Samba server releases.
This will require some work for networks with lots of user accounts, but it
will fix the problem. Edit the /etc/smb.conf file to set encrypt passwords =
yes smb passwd file = /etc/smbpasswd Then, run "smbpasswd -a userid" to set
up Samba passwords. Kill and then restart smbd, and you should be able to
connect. You should make users aware that if they change their password on
the server in the shell (using passwd or any front-end you may have
installed) they will need to also change their Samba password using
smbpasswd. A change with /etc/passwd does not affect /etc/smbpasswd, nor
vice-versa. Please be sure you are running a version of Samba that supports
password encryption. If you're running Red Hat Linux 5.2, you got it. Thank
you Microsoft for all the trouble. Good luck everyone, Steve Crow Ashland,
Virginia USA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 00:13:31 -0800
From: Brian Faivre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: "Host name lookup failure" error RH 5.0 to 5.2
Hello,
Recently I upgraded from RH 5.0 to RH 5.2. Now whenever I startup
ppp and try to telnet, ftp, etc. I get the following error "Host name
lookup failure" ? Any help I would appreciate.
Thanks in advance
Brian Faivre
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Subject: Re: The goal of Open Source
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 20:13:13 GMT
Kenneth Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This something I thought of that is really beginning to bother me. The
>goal of the Open Source movement is to have all software become open
>source to be refined by programmers all over the world. This means that
>companies no longer have rights to their software and can make money by
>giving support, manuals, etc. for the software. But if the open source
>movement reaches its goals this means that all software is built by
>hobbyists who enjoy writing software on their spare time. This means
>that their is no longer a need to hire programmers. Will programming
>become a hobby of what used to be a paying occupation? Is this what the
>Open Source movement is for? Please, someone find a flaw in my reasoning
>so that I may put my mind to rest.
I think you have to make a distinction between generic and bespoke software.
System tools such as operating systems, compilers etc; the software that
everyone uses will be open source and free (in both senses). However
there will still be a need for tailored to an individual or particular company's
need. Someone will have to pay for this software to be developed.
Norman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Greer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Re: Am I stupid or am I stupid. PPP. ALMOST!!!
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 00:16:24 GMT
If someone is buying, or using a computer only to:
-->systems and computers. They got them in order to send email to
-->collegues, look at web sites, do word processing etc. Just as they
Why would they be running Linux. I can even admit that Linux is no
where near the status of a "desktop OS". I use it for two main
reasons. To learn *nix systems, and to serve my network. If someone
only wants to do the fore mentioned tasks, and that is all they _want_
to do, then *nix systems are by no means for them. For the time it
will take to learn the system, is probably not worth it for the tasks.
If one is going to invest in Linux, then they should be willing to
invest some time as well. And *nix system is going to be "difficult"
to learn. The complexity and power of the OS makes it so. I would
like to assume that anyone investing in Linux has an eagerness to
learn, or they would not have chosen the switch in the first place.
Maybe that is naive of me to think so, but that is how I view the
situation.
-->For ppp all ISPs have voluminous material telling you how to hook up a
-->Win95 machine. Although it tends to be recipie type stuff, those recipies
-->should be translatable into linux recipies for connecting as well.
The problem with the above is that there are many different ways to
setup a *nix system for PPP. The core setup of the system is the
same, but the addition of chat-scripts, and GUI programs make a
default setup almost impossible. Some view this as "difficult", I
view it as a system, where the user has control of how his system
connects, and how it is setup. Some ISP's do offer this service, I
know a local ISP that does this, but have not had to deal with them,
so I cannot comment on how it is setup, but the option is there.
*nix systems are "difficult", and I hope they remain so. In the sense
that I dont want everythign automated. I want control, period. If
that means Linux never survives as a "desktop OS", then so be it.
Maybe it is selfish of me, but that is how I feel,
DrGreer
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Bailey)
Subject: TkRat and libtcl8.0.so unresolved symbol 'stat' (???)
Date: 30 Dec 1998 06:12:53 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm trying to run tkrat on RH5.2. I have tkrat-1.2-1 and
tcl-8.0.3-20 rpms installed. When I enter the command, it
exits with the following message:
/usr/lib/tkratlib/tkrat.exec: error in loading shared libraries
/usr/lib/libtcl8.0.so: undefined symbol: stat
Anybody seen this before? Is there anything I can do to
fix it quickly, or do I have to download the source code
and try building it from that?
--
Dave Bailey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to use USR modem connect to the internet?
Date: 29 Dec 1998 16:34:00 -0800
Kangoroo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hello,
> I just install Linux RedHat 5.2. I have a 56K US Robotic modem which I
> connect to ISP Earthlink in Win98. In Linux, I try to set up PPP but it
> doesn't work. So how do I set up, dial phone, and connect to the
> internet in the Linux environment? Thank you in advance for any help.
That is a FAQ. Your best bet is to go to Deja News power search and
search the *linux* newsgroups. You could also try Gary's Encyclopedia:
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/ppp.html
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/modems.html
Ensure that you don't have a "WinModem"; they don't work with Linux
because the manufacturers won't give out the specifications for free.
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From: Mike Werner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Latest stable kernel 2.0.36?
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 00:13:45 -0500
Yes.
Mike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: ln: Musty smell to its man page
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 06:20:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore) wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:02:33 GMT,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore) wrote:
> > > On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 02:45:36 GMT,
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My point is that quota system is very difficult to implement cleanly.
And
> > > > there will be ways to cheat them How about creating fifo and storing the
> > data
> > > > ? If your system has uptime in years then you can safely store mega
bytes
> > >
> > > Not likely.
> > >
> > > Have you tried this?
> >
> >
> > i dont have access to mc which has quota enabled. But here is the url
> > which talks about this
> >
> > http://www.rootshell.com/archive-j457nxiqi3gq59dv/199807/linuxfs.txt.html
>
> Ah, but that talks about an entirely different thing, not storing data
> in a fifo at all.
>
> (Hint: you can't write to a fifo if there isn't a reader. It's not a
> storage device.)
You are right. My mistake. :(
--
- Yendor
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Installing two copies of Linux
Date: 29 Dec 1998 16:46:31 -0800
"Eric Hesselberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have Redhat 5.0 and I have installed two copies on different
> partitions on my hard drive. The older version will not mount the
> hard drive so I get a kernel panic. I have changed fstab file to reflect
> the changed but it still does not boot. What other files
> reference what drive to boot from? Thanks
Only that and the files used by the boot loader (LILO) and the kernel
file. If you're using LILO, change /etc/lilo.conf and rerun "lilo".
If not, use "rdev" (with options) on the kernel file to tell it what
partition (eg, /dev/hda3) to use for "/".
Someone COULD hide /dev/hda3-type dependencies elsewhere (like
a mount command in /etc/rc.d/rc.local) but that'd be a BAD THING.
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From: Stefan Karlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SCSI CDROM and Kernel 2.0.36 not working
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:43:01 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For all its worth Jordan I'm having the same problem with my NEC 3x exter=
nal
SCI cdrom.
Have not found any fix for it though. Sorry!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams)
Subject: Re: The goal of Open Source
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:03:17 GMT
On 29 Dec 1998 06:17:45 -0500, David Steuber
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I sense from your posts that you have already made up your mind.
To an extent, but not completely. It will not, I am pretty sure, but
strict GPL. But it may be a modification of it, possibly even LGPL.
> What you need to discover is whether you can earn a living as
> an ISV.
I am pretty confident that I can. I was doing it for a while, but
built up so many debts in the startup period that I had to go back to
a day-job before things really got moving, then I didn't have enough
time to keep the momentum. Live and learn.
> I personaly doubt that I can.
Don't doubt it; doubting it tends to be a self-fulfilling prophesy.
If it's what you live for, you have to take your best shot; it it's
not what you live for, you'll find a reason not to do it because it's
harder than being a technoserf. I have little choice since I am
constitutionally unsuited to the life of a technoserf. -steve
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Tools for programmers: http://www.codetools.com/showcase
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: spreadsheet?
Date: 29 Dec 1998 23:32:34 -0800
John Overton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for a good spreadsheet? Does a FAQ exist? Or can someone
> point me at something?
Look for the spreadsheet section of Gary's Encyclopedia at
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/science-and-math.html
Christopher Browne's list might be a good place to start.
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From: "dan pellerin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: compiling question.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:28:40 -0600
I was wondering if I was doing this right.
On Redhat 5.2. I recompile the kernel as follows.
>From the /usr/src/linux directory
make mrproper
make menuconfig (choose the modules and such)
make dep
make clean
make zImage
boot with the new kernel.
cd to /lib/modules
remove the old modules.
move the modules to modules.old
cd to /usr/src/linux
make modules
make modules_install
reboot.
on reboot it seems the modules are not found.
Did I miss a step or do something out of order?
thanks for any ideas or advice.
dan pellerin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Edstrom)
Subject: Re: what do linux fokes vote?
Date: 30 Dec 1998 01:04:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (J�rgen Spangen) writes:
> bill gates are democrate
demo crap
watch your spelling :-)
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From: "Dennis K. Grow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape 4.5 for Nwsreading ?
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:43:18 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cglur wrote:
> Hello,
> I find netscape 4.5 (under Linux) very difficult to understand,
> after having used earlier netscapes (under M$ W3.1). Perhaps it's
> just trying to do TOO MUCH ?
>
> My initial questions refer to 'Communicator" for News-reading.
>
> Answers to any of the following whould be appreciated (and direct
> e-mail since reading news group is difficult for me) :-
>
> * how do I delete newsgroup mesgs. - header or full (with body) ?
You can't. But you can set up purge rules in Edit>Preferences>Mail &
Newsgroups>Disk Space
>
> * can I mark headers off-line, to get their bodies when I later go
> on-line ?
Not in the Linux version.
>
> * for newsgroups; what are the 2 fields to the between the "date"
> and the "status" field ?
> They are 'labeled' with a diamond and a flag icon.
Flag is for offline downloading, staus is for read/unread
>
> * when I try the click sequence: Edit -> Cancel mesg (Alt+D);
> the current mesg (on my system) is NOT cancelled, but rather
> netscape tries to go on line ?! Why ??
>
You can only cancel (delete) your own messages.
>
> Thanks, Chris.
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Dennis Grow
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.primenet.com/~dkgrow
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: system lockup
Date: 29 Dec 1998 23:53:01 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joe Ringer) writes:
> After an uptime of 20+ days my system locked up. I was in X playing a game
> of cards when the screen, mouse and keyboard all stopped responding. I
> couldn't even toggle the leds on my keyboard and wasn't able to get into
> another vc or exit X. I was able to telnet in via another box on my home
> lan only to find X sucking up cpu cycles on the frozen machine. Killing off
> X brought the cpu usage down to ~0 but the system was still frozen locally.
> At this point I reset the box and everthing appears to be ok and the logs
> don't provide any clues.
>
> Whats up? Was there anything else I could have done from the remote box?
As you determined, your X server screwed up. There's some slight chance
it was some rare hardware problem, but more likely you just excercized
some combination of conditions it can't handle. It could even be
a probablem in one of your libraries. Anything change there?
I seem to have the opposite experience. Mine is a rather new server version
for my fairly new video-on-motherboard system. It was hanging up quite
regularly for several months and now isn't. The only thing I can think
of that changed was kerel 2.0.35 -> 2.0.36 which seems an unlikely cause.
Seems like you should have "shutdown -r now" from the remote box if
restarting the X server after killing it didn't work.
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