Linux-Misc Digest #440, Volume #18 Sat, 2 Jan 99 16:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: Will Linux ever make it? (David Steuber)
Re: Will Linux ever make it? (David Steuber)
Re: Time Synch (David Steuber)
Re: Good Apache Server Book? (Gene Wilburn)
Linux OS NOT preemptive multitasking ? (root)
Linuxports need your help! ("Mr. Poet")
Re: Linux OS NOT Mult-Threaded (Todd Knarr)
Re: Linux OS NOT preemptive multitasking ? (Todd Knarr)
System V standard vs. BSD standard -> where to find? (Thomas Schulze-Velmede)
recieving mail (Tanner McCarron)
Re: egcs/g++ Hello world (James Youngman)
Re: Best Free Unix? ("Larry Herzog Jr.")
Linux OS NOT Mult-Threaded (root)
Re: serial setup error :Input/ouput error..... using setserial ("Lee Mitchell")
Linux OS NOT Re-entrant ? (root)
Re: SCSI Hard disk power saving ? (Roland Latour)
Re: ATI Xpert 98 with 8 M. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Where is Console Driver Menu?? (Frank Sweetser)
Re: Linux OS NOT Re-entrant ? (brian moore)
Strange Problem (S. Morrow)
Re: Anti-Linux FUD (Nix)
ATA Disk Controller in Linux??? ("Ray Caruso")
Re: NOSPAM in addresses.. (Harold Stevens ** PLEASE SEE SIG **)
Re: CD ripper for linux? (Alex Butcher)
Re: Linux OS NOT Mult-Threaded (David M. Cook)
Re: WP8 installation (Rod Smith)
Re: Whats the best *offline* usenet reader for Linux? (Steve Crane)
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Will Linux ever make it?
Date: 27 Dec 1998 17:50:09 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) writes:
> On could even imagine a whole hierarchy of binary delta parts that could be
> put together, just like configuring a kernel where every part has already
> been compiled.
I don't think that would work because of all the permutations. A
better and simpler way is to do all hardware support with kernel
loadable modules.
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Will Linux ever make it?
Date: 27 Dec 1998 17:58:54 -0500
"big security nightmare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The thing is I don't see that linux has any real advantages
> over winnt for the average user. It certainly does not have
> a very good range of quality software available. I suppose
> some people might consider emacs to be great, but for
> the average person, there is nothing except netscape ....
Admitidly, I am not the 'average' user. I do distributed network computing.
NT can't. Linux does. So does Solaris, btw.
As I type this, I have XEmacs sessions on two machines on my desktop
and also xterms to the same machines. I can administer all my
machines (both of them :) from one physicle location. I can't do that
with NT out of the box.
For my news, I have the other machine running leafnode and this
machine running my news reader, XEmacs & gnus.
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Time Synch
Date: 27 Dec 1998 19:20:31 -0500
Ed Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> David Steuber wrote:
> >
> > I am looking for a little utility that I can run from cron to set the
> > time on my Linux machine by connecting to port 13 or 37 on a standard
> > time server on the east coast of the USA.
> >
> > I've also noticed that I am not running either the daytime (port 13)
> > or the time (port 37) services. I would like those to start when the
> > machine boots up. How do I do that?
> >
> > I have SuSE 5.3 distribution of Linux.
> This is from RedHat. SuSE may have xntp3:
Thanks, I'll look it up.
BTW, the reason I want to run from cron is because I have a toll on my connection.
I just want to set the main computer's clock once a week and synchronize to
that on a more frequent basis.
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From: Gene Wilburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.isp
Subject: Re: Good Apache Server Book?
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 19:00:08 GMT
I've not found the O'Reilly book very useful, but Apache Server Bible
(IDG) is excellent.
Gene
Cliff Etzel wrote:
>
> I am looking for a book or other documentation that explains the setup
> and various configurations of Apache server. My only requirement is
> that it is written and explains the information in terminology someone
> who is not that experienced (yet) with can understand.
>
> Any suggestions who greatly be appreciated.
>
> TIA
>
> Cliff Etzel
> ClifCom
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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux OS NOT preemptive multitasking ?
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 12:02:29 -0600
Is It true that the scheduler in the Linux kernel CANNOT BE PREEMPTED
???
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From: "Mr. Poet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Linuxports need your help!
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:10:17 -0800
Hello,
http://www.linuxports.com is currently looking for suggestions. The site has
grown at such a phenomal rate that we have reached a peak. We need
suggestions from the Linux Community!
Please stop by the site then email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with your
suggestions.
LinuxPorts is a Website dedicated to the Linux Professional or Company
trying to implement Linux in the Corporate environment.
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From: Todd Knarr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux OS NOT Mult-Threaded
Date: 2 Jan 1999 19:14:24 GMT
root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is it really true that Linux does NOT implement kernel-mode threads ???
Depending on version. The 2.0.x and higher kernels _do_ implement
kernel threads ( see the clone(2) man page ). I believe 1.3.x implemented
threads as an experimental feature, and 1.2.x and below lacked threads
support.
As for libraries, libc5 does not implement any threads API so you would
need to play some very exotic games to get threads in a libc5 program.
libc6/glibc2 does implement the Posix threads API mapping each thread to
a kernel thread ( which appears as it's own process ).
--
We won, didn't we? Cope!
-- Mimi, Reality Check #8
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From: Todd Knarr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux OS NOT preemptive multitasking ?
Date: 2 Jan 1999 19:18:24 GMT
root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is It true that the scheduler in the Linux kernel CANNOT BE PREEMPTED
> ???
Very few kernel schedulers can be preempted, for very obvious reasons.
If it were interrupted, you'd have a nasty situation where you had no
process in a valid, runnable context state. The kernel scheduler in
Linux does, however, implement preemptive multitasking for processes
running under it. The only thing that cannot be preempted is the kernel
itself.
--
We won, didn't we? Cope!
-- Mimi, Reality Check #8
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From: Thomas Schulze-Velmede <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: System V standard vs. BSD standard -> where to find?
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:27:53 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello alltogether :-)
I would like to know the differnces between the System V.4 "standard"
and the BSD "standard"
I know a few things (e.g. different bootup-techniques) but where can I
find all
differnences. e.g. where can I read what's to do, to have a System V.4 -
complaint un*x?
thanx in advance!
Regards
Thomas SV
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From: Tanner McCarron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: recieving mail
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 09:55:41 -0800
I have recieved many suggestions and I think I have tried them all and
still cannot recieve any mail. Fetchmail will now indicate that I have
mail, say how many messages, start to recieve and then come up with an
error. THe error messages almost always include an SMTP error of some
kind. I've spent an awfull lot of hours on this. I like linux and
would do all my computer stuff on linux except this one problem keeps me
irritated and forces me to maintain a computer with Microsoft software.
Is anyone able to get email through earthlink? Earthlink told me that I
should use port 25 for outgoing mail but poert 110 for incomming mail.
So far I don't see where to use that.
Several books say that the kernel must be compiled with PPP support.
Mine is not. I don't know how to do that. Yet I can connect and do
everything but recieve mail. Commands such as /etc/ppp/ppp-on or
ifconfig do not activate the modem. They return message that ppp
support is not compiled into the kernel. I did not have ppp-on,
ppp-on-dialer or ppp-off in the /etc/ppp directory. I copied them there
from /usr/doc/ppp-2.2.0f-3/scripts. Is this necessary or correct with
redhat 5.0? I can't tell.
I'd certainly be gratefull for any assistance.
Tanner
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From: James Youngman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: egcs/g++ Hello world
Date: 02 Jan 1999 13:37:10 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> #include <iostream>
>
> using namespace std;
>
> main(){
>
> cout << "Hello bear\n";
>
> }
>
>
> g++ man.cc works just fine.
>
> [bob@bear cppTest]$ egcs main.cc
> /tmp/cca027091.o: In function `main':
> /tmp/cca027091.o(.text+0x9): undefined reference to `cout'
> /tmp/cca027091.o(.text+0xe): undefined reference to `ostream::operator<<(char
> const *)'
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> [bob@bear cppTest]$
>
>
> Doing 'man egcs' gives the man page for gcc.
>
> So - how dows one use egcs??
By reading the FAQ?
egcs main.cc -lstdc++
--
ACTUALLY reachable as @free-lunch.demon.(whitehouse)co.uk:james+usenet
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Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
From: "Larry Herzog Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix?
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:16:02 -0600
On Sat, 2 Jan 1999, Ken Deboy wrote:
> chas wrote:
> > One consideration in the SCO vs Solaris decision, both are for
> > non-commercial use. For education, developers & hobbyists.
>
> Also, when I look at SCO's compatibilty list, it only works with
> SCSI hard drives, so I got Solaris because my computer has EIDE
> drives. It (Solaris) is a lot of fun, but I use Linux mostly for
> Unix in case I accidentally use my computer for something that
> isn't non-commercial.
I'm not a big fan of SCO, but I think it is only fair to let everyone know
that SCO DOES support IDE hard drives....I 'bought' the free version (UW7)
and had no problems installing and running it on an IDE disk....
_______
Larry Herzog Jr. "Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit,
UND Aerospace but in humility consider others better than
[EMAIL PROTECTED] yourselves." -- Philippians 2:3
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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux OS NOT Mult-Threaded
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 11:57:29 -0600
Is it really true that Linux does NOT implement kernel-mode threads ???
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From: "Lee Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: serial setup error :Input/ouput error..... using setserial
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:54:55 -0000
have you tried /dev/ttyS1 ?
note the upper case "S" !
--
Lee Mitchell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.spamtastic.demon.co.uk
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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux OS NOT Re-entrant ?
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 12:00:25 -0600
Is it really true that Linus OS is NOT Re-entrant, meaning limitations
on
SMP/NUMA machines with heavy I/O ?
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From: Roland Latour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SCSI Hard disk power saving ?
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 08:07:19 -0800
Lee Mitchell wrote:
>
> I've got REALY old scsi drive in my linux box that gets very little use.
> However it makes a great deal of noise while its doing nothing. Does anyone
> know how to set the spindown time for a scsi drive ?
> I know how to do it with an IDE device , just not scsi !
I don't use the following, I just saw it posted on
comp.os.linux.announce:
Subject: scsi-idle-2.0.36 - Start/stop SCSI disk dives
From: Trent Piepho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
scsi-idle-2.0.36 is an update of the the scsi-idle package. It
includes two small programs for starting and stopping the motor of a
SCSI disk
drive. There is a also a kernel patch which will spin up idle drives
when
they are accessed and enable a daemon to stop them after an idle
timeout.
Updates since the 2.0.30 release are the two programs 'scsi-start' and
'scsi-stop', and proper patching of the 2.0.36 kernel.
Get it at:
ftp.u.washington.edu:/public/xyzzy/scsi-idle-2.0.36.tar.gz
metalab.unc.edu:/incoming/Linux/scsi-idle-2.0.36.tar.gz
metalab.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/kernel/patches/scsi/scsi-idle-2.0.36.tar.gz
RPMs at:
ftp.u.washington.edu:/public/xyzzy/scsi-idle-2.0.36-1.i386.rpm
ftp.u.washington.edu:/public/xyzzy/scsi-idle-2.0.36-1.src.rpm
Web page:
http://staff.washington.edu/xyzzy/scsi.html
--
Roland Latour Slackware3.4 & PPP http://home.cdsnet.net/~rolandl
"In times of tumult and discord bad men have the most power; mental and
moral excellence require peace and quietness." TACITUS
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: ATI Xpert 98 with 8 M.
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 19:49:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Although in principle you should use the Mach64 server for your video
> card, it seems not to work always - at least, it didn't for me. I was
> forced to use the SVGA server instead, and at a lower resolution. I have
> a Xpert@play98, which uses exactly the same Mach64_RagePro chipset as
> yours.
>
> MST
XFree86_3.3.3 works fine with Xpert98. The configuration programs can't
detect the memory. You have to specify this (8M) manually in XF86Config. If
interested I can e-mail you my config file.
Silviu
>
> dfjjhg wrote:
> >
> > i have ATI Xpert 98 with 8 M.
> > i need to know how to config it.
> > Redhat 5.1 asked me about the March64, Si3, ..... What are they?
> > Redhat 5.1 also asked me to choose 50-120...,50-90... but none is for my
> > monitor. how do i choose the one for my monitor.
> > right now, i got very weired color for my monitor. red is not red, blue is
> > not blue......
> > can you help me?
>
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From: Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: Where is Console Driver Menu??
Date: 02 Jan 1999 11:26:01 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I am having difficulities locating this Menu in the Kernel Setup.
>
> Where can I find it under Make Menuconfig of Kernel 2.1.99?
well, first off, 2.1.99 is pretty old - it's currently up to 2.2.0pre3
ATM... secondly, did you enable support for experimental stuff?
--
Frank Sweetser rasmusin at wpi.edu fsweetser at blee.net | PGP key available
paramount.ind.wpi.edu RedHat 5.2 kernel 2.1.131ac6 i586 | at public servers
checking for mass_quantities_of_bass_ale in -lFridge... no
checking for mass_quantities_of_any_ale in -lFridge... no
Warning: No ales were found in your refridgerator.
We highly suggest that you rectify this situation immediately.
-- from configure script of enlightenment 0.14
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: Linux OS NOT Re-entrant ?
Date: 2 Jan 1999 20:14:06 GMT
On Sat, 02 Jan 1999 12:00:25 -0600,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is it really true that Linus OS is NOT Re-entrant, meaning limitations
> on
> SMP/NUMA machines with heavy I/O ?
No.
Is it really true that you're spreading FUD very poorly?
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (S. Morrow)
Subject: Strange Problem
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 17:40:10 GMT
I (finally) got my linux going again. I grabbed XFree86 ver 3.3.3 and
got it working (STB nVidia TNT 16 meg video card). But there's one
strange problem. When I run X and open a terminal window, about once
a minute a single ` character (the un-shifted tilde ~) appears in the
terminal. Right where I would be typing in commands. It even
sometimes puts them in right while I am typing. I don't even have to
be at the computer doing anything. If I leave for a few minutes and
come back, there will be a row of a dozen of them. This behavior does
not happen if I don't run x and just stay in plain linux. Is my
computer posessed?
Skip
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From: Nix <$}xin{[email protected]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux FUD
Date: 30 Dec 1998 19:18:05 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson) writes:
[symlinking binaries into place]
> I mentioned that, but I also mentioned that you don't even want to think
> about doing that with /usr/local/netpbm...
I fail to see why not. This is how netpbm is installed here (indeed,
this is how *everything* is installed here) and there are no problems
with it at all. GNU stow helps, too.
--
`Anyone who says you can have a lot of widely dispersed people hack
away on a complicated piece of code and avoid total anarchy has never
managed a software project.' - Andy Tanenbaum in 1992 on comp.os.minix
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From: "Ray Caruso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: ATA Disk Controller in Linux???
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:28:35 -0700
Hey all,
I have a SIIG UltraIDE Pro PCI (Ultra ATA) disk controller that I'd like
to put into one of my servers. Anyone know of a linux driver for this
card?
Please respond via e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] if possible.
Thanx in Advance
Ray
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Harold Stevens ** PLEASE SEE SIG **)
Subject: Re: NOSPAM in addresses..
Date: 1 Jan 1999 23:48:55 GMT
In <76jh67$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Doug Smith:
[Snip...]
|> I don't expect direct email replies to my posts. If someone wants to go to
|> the trouble, I won't complain, but I don't think it's reasonable for me to
|> expect it.
[Snip...]
I personally take it a step more: anybody whining about their convenience
over my privacy is not a person I want to see in my email, anyway. Anyone
with so limited patience for simply taking a few moments to *personalize*
correspondance to me is operating under the same delusion as spammers: To
hell with your privacy tactics; my message and convenience is paramount.
Regards, Weird (Harold Stevens) ** IMPORTANT EMAIL INFO **
1. As antispam, I have completely disabled my "adam" email account.
2. Please vent inconvenience at Cyberpromo and their Satanic spawn.
3. You might try finding (wyrd) at ti, dotted with com. NO UCE/UBE.
4. I detest UCE/UBE. I support CAUCE; http://www.cauce.org HR 1748.
Standard Disclaimer: My opinions alone and not Raytheon TI Systems.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Butcher)
Subject: Re: CD ripper for linux?
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 17:48:42 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 2 Jan 1999 09:59:11 GMT, Robert Hampf
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Chris Mauritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> h�lt �essu fram:
>:My wife was kind enough to get me an MP3 player for my birthday. However,
>:the only tools I've found for creating mp3's from audio CD's run on
>:Win95/98. Are there any decent tools for doing this under linux that
>:I've missed?
>
>Try Cdparanoia
>(http://www.mit.edu/afs/sipb/user/xiphmont/cdparanoia/index.html)
>for ripping and Blade (http://home8.swipnet.se/~w-82625) for
>encoding.
And try integrating them using krabber, a KDE package that makes
ripping/encoding really easy.
Best Regards,
Alex.
--
Alex Butcher Using Linux since '95 - because windows are too easy to break.
Berkshire, UK URLBLAST:slashdot.org:www.freshmeat.net:www.dejanews.com:
lwn.net:www.tomshardware.com:www.stardiv.de:www.gimp.org:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: Linux OS NOT Mult-Threaded
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:30:54 GMT
On Sat, 02 Jan 1999 11:57:29 -0600, root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Is it really true that Linux does NOT implement kernel-mode threads ???
There's no reason to ask 3 related questions in 3 different posts.
If you're trolling, please use comp.os.linux.advocacy.
Dave Cook
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: WP8 installation
Date: 2 Jan 1999 21:02:01 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <voCckDAPYkj2Ew$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Neil Durant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi,
> I'm trying to install WP8 (downloaded version) onto my Redhat 5.1
> system. I've got to the part of the installation wizard thing in
> X-Windows which asks for the registration number "which is on the
> registration card" - however, having downloaded WP8 I don't have a
> registration card!!!! I went to the Corel site and registered myself
> and got a registration number, but the installation program won't
> accept it. What am I supposed to enter into that box??
The registration number from the web site. I don't know offhand if it's
case-sensitive, but even if it's not, it's easy to make a mistake when
doing something like that by hand. That's probably what happened, unless
you did a cut-and-paste from your web browser. So I'd suggest you simply
try it again with the same number. If that fails, go to the web site and
register again, and send them a note that you've done so. This time, save
the web page with the registration number to a local disk file, and enter
it via a cut-and-paste operation.
--
Rod Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.users.fast.net/~rodsmith
NOTE: Remove the digit and following word from my address to mail me
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Crane)
Subject: Re: Whats the best *offline* usenet reader for Linux?
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 17:51:43 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 02 Jan 1999 05:31:22 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric
Hardwick) wrote:
>Question is: Which newsreader for Linux (X or console) has these
>features.
xagent claims to have these features. I downloaded it last night but
it had some compile errors that I haven't resolved, so I haven't tried
it yet.
Steve Crane
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.datapro.co.za/~stevec
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