Linux-Misc Digest #899, Volume #18 Thu, 4 Feb 99 15:13:14 EST
Contents:
Re: HELP!!!! MP3 does not play (Rodrigo Castro)
Re: No luck with 2.2.x kernel on RH 5.2! (Alexander Viro)
PPP problems ("Justin R. Smith")
Re: Wich Linux shouls I install ("Steve D. Perkins")
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers ("Keith G. Murphy")
Fetchmail weirdness (Aaron)
Re: Opinions about LyX? (Jason Clifford)
Re: Microsoft - Embrace, encompass, and defeat??? ("Preston Crawford")
Network problem on 2.2.1 ("Marius Gedminas")
Re: NFS mounting volumes on OS/2 (DOS, NT) systems ("Thomas T. Veldhouse")
Re: Sick of Windows, newbie thinking about Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Opinions about LyX? ("H.G.Kausch")
Re: Wich Linux shouls I install (Ben Russo)
Re: What's the linux equivalent of the StartUp folder? (Roy Stogner)
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Arthur)
Re: Sick of Windows, newbie thinking about Linux (Todd Ostermeier)
Re: No luck with 2.2.x kernel on RH 5.2! (Soeren Todt)
Re: Environment variables and C (Michael Powe)
Re: HElp, i can't compile (Michael Powe)
Re: No luck with 2.2.x kernel on RH 5.2! ("Greg Waugh")
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Michael Powe)
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From: Rodrigo Castro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: HELP!!!! MP3 does not play
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 12:07:21 -0200
John Burg wrote:
> I've had the same problem, since upgrading to 2.2 from 2.0.36. My machine
> is a Pentium II, with a genuine soundblaster card. The only difference between
> your problem and mine is that I can't hear any of the mp3 file at all... the
> player (I've tried amp, x11amp, maplay, and mpg123) acts as if it is playing
> normally, but no sound comes out. Like Rodrigo, I can play wav files without
> difficulty.
>
> Any ideas?
Hello,
I gave a look at Changelog of 2.2.2 Pre-Patch 1 and there they fix an error
in sb_ess.c
(that's one of files used by OSS driver for SB). Unfortunally I couldn't download
that from ftp
to test but I think they may solve our problem. Many people have this erros, so
it must be a
software bug. Let's hope it get fixed soon!! ;-)
Does anyone here that is reading this message know if version 2.2.2 really fixes
this problem?
Thnx,
Rodrigo Castro
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,linux.dev.kernel,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: No luck with 2.2.x kernel on RH 5.2!
Date: 4 Feb 1999 13:14:07 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Soeren Todt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Thanks for helping. But:
>
>182 lines quoting for 2 lines information in 8 Newsgroups.
>Bad ratio. You have to work on that.
>Maybe you find a news-newusers FAQ.
Better yet, 3 of 8 do not exist since '94.
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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From: "Justin R. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PPP problems
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:04:36 -0000
I've been trying to get ppp working, with no luck.
Is there something obviously wrong with my system setup?
The log messages (with debugging enabled):
Feb 4 10:30:34 jsmith pppd[432]: pppd 2.3.5 started by root, uid 0
Feb 4 10:31:04 jsmith pppd[432]: Serial connection established.
Feb 4 10:31:05 jsmith pppd[432]: Using interface ppp0
Feb 4 10:31:05 jsmith pppd[432]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem
Feb 4 10:31:07 jsmith kernel: PPP BSD Compression module registered
Feb 4 10:31:07 jsmith kernel: PPP Deflate Compression module registered
Feb 4 10:31:07 jsmith pppd[432]: local IP address 208.244.153.123
Feb 4 10:31:07 jsmith pppd[432]: remote IP address 208.244.153.3
The route and netstat commands hang for for a LONG time, and then
print out (at least route does):
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use
Iface
208.244.153.3 * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0
loopback * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo
default 208.244.153.3 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ppp0
(it hangs just as long the second and third time I call it).
I can ping 209.244.153.3 and 208.244.153.123 but nothing else
(including my ISP's name servers).
Name lookups time out.
I enabled kernel ppp debugging with kdebug 4, but nothing additional
prints out.
Any suggestions?
--
______________________________________________________________________
|
Time blows wildly against my door | Justin R. Smith
Stirring discarded sorrows | Department of Mathematics and
Like dead leaves of summers past | Computer Science
Memories of forgotten lore 11/21/98 | Drexel University
Making way for new tomorrows | Philadelphia, PA 19104
New hopes, new fears, |
and new ways that last | Office: (215) 895-1847
|
� Justin R. Smith, March 14, 1994 | Fax: (215) 895-1582
Home page: http://www.mcs.drexel.edu/~jsmith
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From: "Steve D. Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Wich Linux shouls I install
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 12:44:53 -0500
> Those are my opinions so no flames pleaze.
Umm... if you don't want any flames, please learn to set your newsreader
software so that your postings are NOT also emailed to everyone to the person whose
posting you're replying to! There is a very valid reason why newsgroups are more
popular than mailing lists... because people don't want all this stuff cluttering
up their Inbox...
It's even worse when you accidentally send it twice.... <smile>
Steve
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From: "Keith G. Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 12:10:48 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kinkster wrote:
>
> On Wed, 03 Feb 1999 17:51:00 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
> wrote:
>
> Excellent post. It should be required reading for all the m$ofites out
> there.
Please don't quote a whole long post just to say you liked it. Bad
Usenetiquette, you know.
[cut] [see what I'm doing? Cuts down on the redundancy]
> >If Microsoft wants to create a proprietary Internet, I don't suppose there is
> >anything wrong with that, aside from the fact that it would be horrible.
I had to laugh at that.
[cut] [see, there it is again] ;-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Fetchmail weirdness
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 18:16:22 GMT
OK, running into a weird fetchmail glitch:
I have a .fetchmailrc set up to poll two accounts on the same mail
server. Here's my fetchmailrc if I remember right:
set daemon 600
poll mail.myisp.com proto POP3
user "account1" there is "locallogin" here options fetchall
user "account2" there is "locallogin" here options fetchall
When I check mail, it will retrieve the first message for account1 and
then move on to account2. All of account2's messages will come across
fine, but regardless of how many messages there are, only the first
message from account1 will show up. 10 minutes later, when it checks
again, the next message from account1 will show up... _marked as read_
when I haven't ever seen it.
I'm not running procmail or anything special on my end, it's a stock
RedHat 5.2 install... using pine to read mail.
Any ideas?
Aaron
--
Aaron B. Hockley, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Developer of Markup Master for HTML compatibility
http://www.netresource.org
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Opinions about LyX?
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:03:55 +0000
On 4 Feb 1999, Phil Adamson wrote:
> 2. How does it interact with non-standard packages, custom classes
> etc?
You can still use all the non-LyX LaTeX packages available. There is a
facility to enter LaTeX statements directly and mark them as such - this
works well in my *limited* experience.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: "Preston Crawford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft - Embrace, encompass, and defeat???
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:00:47 -0700
You took the words out of my mouth. MS should have the right to do what they
want with their code just as we should have the right to support an
alternative OS free of kludgy code.
Preston
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From: "Marius Gedminas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Network problem on 2.2.1
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:02:45 +0100
Hello again
It looks like Linux 2.2.1 can not access my local Ethernet. It does support
my an ISA NE2000 clone
network card (Compex RL2000 PnP) and shows no errors whatsoever, but I
cannot see other
computers on the net (and they cannot see me). Ifconfig and kernel routing
table are configured
properly. I can `ping 192.168.1.2' (myself), but I cannot `ping
192.168.1.1' (the other PC with
Win98). `arp' shows `(incomplete address)' for it. `tcpdump' sees no packets
at all. Maybe the
kernel configuration is wrong? But I've tried to use mostly the same
networking options as for
2.0.36. BTW everything works fine if I boot my old 2.0.36 (except kerneld,
that is, but I can
modprobe).
Probably I could live with 2.0.36, but my S3 Trio3D is not supported by
XFree86 yet. And 2.0.36
does not have framebuffer device.
I'd be grateful for any help. Especially cc:ed to my e-mail address.
Yours,
--
Marius Gedminas
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: NFS mounting volumes on OS/2 (DOS, NT) systems
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:32:43 -0600
I wasn't aware you could do that. However, I would think that it would use
the Unverisal nameing convention so ...
mount -t nfs host:\\share_name\dir
I know that samba and linux combined offer this ability using mount -t smbfs
... but I have not looked into it in detail.
Tom Veldhouse
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Frank Bures wrote in message ...
>I am trying to mount a volume on the system running OS/2. In order to do
>that, I have to define (at least I think so) a drive letter in /etc/fstab.
>
>Is for example 'host:d:\dir1\dir2 /mnt/os2' etc.
>
>the correct format for the fstab entry? Those two colons look weird to me.
>
>The same problem would apply when NFS mounting volumes on NT.
>
>I would appreciate any advice or a pointer to documentation.
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Frank Bures, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (use this address for replies)
>http://frank.chem.utoronto.ca/electronics
>"File not found. Do you want to fake it? (Y/N)"
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Sick of Windows, newbie thinking about Linux
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 15:06:55 GMT
> But if you need to have your hand held, Linux may not be the OS for you.
> Certainly you don't need your hand held, right?
Of course not! (grin) But I've used Solaris and IRIX before, but haven't
installed nor administered them. I'm doing this just as much to learn heavy
duty UNIX as well as use Linux.
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From: "H.G.Kausch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Opinions about LyX?
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 18:32:47 +0000
Phil Adamson wrote:
>
> I've never used LyX, so I suppose I have two questions:
> 1. Do people actually find it quicker than typing latex source
> into (x)emacs?
> 2. How does it interact with non-standard packages, custom classes
> etc?
>
It is a close call between LyX and Emacs+AUCeTeX. I have used Emacs for
many years to write maths papers and I am very happy with it. But even I
have now started to use LyX for tasks such as producing lecture notes
and handouts. And the easiest way to write a letter is to LyX! Since we
installed LyX in the maths department here many users have switched to
it. I am still a bit faster with Emacs+AUCTeX, mainly because I can type
heavy maths without leaving the keyboard. I find I need to use the mouse
too often in LyX -- but I haven't learnt all of the keyboard shortcuts
yet. Emacs loses time because I need to run LaTeX to preview more often
than with LyX.
For a large project I would personally still use Emacs+AUCTeX for the
added infrastructure provided by Emacs:
- outlining minor mode
- dabbrev-expand
- emerge for merging different versions of files
- version control (even though this is supposed to be supported by LyX
now)
LyX does not stop you from using any LaTeX packages -- you can always
insert raw LaTeX code. Lyx has a LaTeX preamble where you can put all
you \usepackage commands or define your own fancy macros. If LyX
supports the package then you get a representation of the output in LyX
otherwise you only see the effect of the package when you preview.
If you want to use your own document class it is easy to write a .layout
file for LyX to support the document class (or simply modify the
standard article.layout)
I can certainly recommend using LyX for writing a thesis. The latest
version interacts with BibTeX as well. My wife wrote her thesis with Lyx
(0.10.7): about 160 pages and 30 diagrams. She had no prior experience
with Latex (or Linux for that matter). I just wrote a .layout file for
her thesis style and helped with the fine-tuning (as in "why does TeX
break the page here?" and "I want my figure here!"). She was very happy
with this arrangement.
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From: Ben Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Wich Linux shouls I install
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 13:41:13 -0500
Francois Beauregard wrote:
> I am looking forward to install Linux on my computer.
>
> I am hesitating between SuSE 5.3 and RedHat 5.2.
>
> The window manager is an important feature for me.
> I have seen the KDE desktop wich ships with SuSE and it looks really great.
>
> My question is what are the Window Managers that ships with RedHat 5.2 ?
>
> Best Regards
You can install RedHat 5.2, but I suggest that you go to
an ftp search tool like "http://ftpsearch.lycos.com/"
and do a search on the following:
kdeadmin-1.0-1.i386.rpm 269 Kb Thu Jul 16
00:00:00 1998
kdebase-1.0-1.i386.rpm 3125 Kb Thu Jul 16
00:00:00 1998
kdegames-1.0-1.i386.rpm 1667 Kb Thu Jul 16
00:00:00 1998
kdegraphics-1.0-1.i386.rpm 711 Kb Thu Jul 16
00:00:00 1998
kdelibs-@[EMAIL PROTECTED] 1213 Kb Thu Jul 16
00:00:00 1998
kdemultimedia-1.0-1.i386.rpm 850 Kb Thu Jul 16
00:00:00 1998
kdenetwork-1.0-1.i386.rpm 1286 Kb Thu Jul 16
00:00:00 1998
kdesupport-1.0-1.i386.rpm 664 Kb Thu Jul 16
00:00:00 1998
kdeutils-1.0-1.i386.rpm
and
qt-1.40-2.i386.rpm 795 Kb Mon Aug 17
16:25:00 1998
and
netscape-4.5-5.i386.rpm
After you have installed RedHat and gotten X working as it is installed by
default,
do the following:
rpm -Uvh <the above files>
mv /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients.rh5.2-original
mv /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients
Now when a user types "startx" they get kde by default.
Users who want different can copy the Xclients file to
their /home/username/.Xclients dir and do with it as they please.
-Ben.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roy Stogner)
Subject: Re: What's the linux equivalent of the StartUp folder?
Date: 4 Feb 1999 18:41:14 GMT
On Thu, 04 Feb 1999 03:14:13 +0000, Brent Miller wrote:
> I'm trying to get linux to run a small program in the background
>every time I log in and I was wondering how I would do that.
>Suggestions?
What do you mean by log in? Log in to a new shell? Try $HOME/.login
Log in to XDM? Try $HOME/.Xclients (copy the stuff from the default
Xclients first). Or start your computer? Try /etc/rc.d/rc.local
There are different sorts of things you might put in each - I've got
hdparm tweaking my hard drive in rc.local, an extra xterm or two
popping up in .Xclients, and 'fortune' amusing me in .bash_profile
---
Roy Stogner
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From: Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 12:06:38 -0800
Keith G. Murphy wrote:
>
> Arthur wrote:
> >
> > Does anybody know who built the first analog computer?
> >
> I'm tempted to say, might be the British again, with that Stonehenge
> astronomical computer thingie. :-)
I meant electronic analog computers, not light based
computing with a GUI. Did it run Linux?
Arthur
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From: Todd Ostermeier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Sick of Windows, newbie thinking about Linux
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:56:27 -0600
On Thu, 4 Feb 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: RIVA TNT video cards
supported under XFree86 3.3.3
: 3dfx Voodoo3 video cards
not out yet. V1 and V2 are supported (but only in full-screen mode, for
games such as quake, not for use with and X-server), so I'd assume the V3
will eventually be supported.
: Creative AWE sound cards
Most work. The SB Live doesn't (yet). Creative actually hired a guy to
do their drivers for linux, so everything Creative should *eventually* be
supported, but the key word here is eventually.
________________________________
Todd Ostermeier
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~ostermer/index.html
ICQ UIN: 2253928
A-723
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 18:22:23 +0100
From: Soeren Todt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.questions,linux.dev.kernel,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: No luck with 2.2.x kernel on RH 5.2!
Phil DeBecker wrote:
> In fact, I just did "man mkinitrd" and now I'm almost convinced that will solve
> your problem. Have a look at that.
Thanks for helping. But:
182 lines quoting for 2 lines information in 8 Newsgroups.
Bad ratio. You have to work on that.
Maybe you find a news-newusers FAQ.
Soeren
--
Bei HTTP Zugriffen in Dritte-Welt-Laender,
bitte das "Hyper Text Transfair Protocol" verwenden.
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c,gnu.gcc.help
Subject: Re: Environment variables and C
Date: 03 Feb 1999 22:22:39 -0800
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[posted and mailed]
>>>>> "Greg" == Greg Cannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Greg> People, I'm writing a Linux application that needs to find
Greg> certain files in its install directory. I've noticed that
Greg> many programs (e.g. Netscape) solve this problem by using
Greg> an environment variable.
Greg> Great. So how do I access an environment variable from
Greg> within C? I have a feeling there's some scheme similar to
Greg> the argc/argv method of passing command line parameters, but
Greg> I don't know the details. Can some kind person point me in
Greg> the right direction? Does it differ depending on your
Greg> shell? (please say no)
The info file is your friend.
File: libc.info, Node: Environment Access, Next: Standard Environment
Environment Access
- ------------------
The value of an environment variable can be accessed with the
`getenv' function. This is declared in the header file `stdlib.h'.
- Function: char * getenv (const char *NAME)
This function returns a string that is the value of the environment
variable NAME. You must not modify this string. In some non-Unix
systems not using the GNU library, it might be overwritten by
subsequent calls to `getenv' (but not by any other library
function). If the environment variable NAME is not defined, the
value is a null pointer.
mp
8<---------------how-easy-is-it-to-demunge-an-address?------------------->8
#! /usr/bin/perl # if you are [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Another Luser):
while ($line = <>){ if ($line =~ m/^\s*$/ ){ last; }
if ($line =~ m/^From: (\S+) \(([^()]*)\)/){ $from_address = $1; } }
if ($from_address =~ m/\S+NOSPAM\S+/){ $x = index($from_address, NOSPAM);
substr($from_address, $x, 6+1) = ""; printf("The real address is %s\n",
$from_address);}else { printf("No munge, just plain %s\n",$from_address);}
printf("\nBrought to you by the Truth In Mail Headers Foundation\n");
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- --
Michael Powe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
Portland, Oregon USA
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: HElp, i can't compile
Date: 03 Feb 1999 21:41:39 -0800
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>>>>> "Jarvis" == Jarvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Jarvis> I am using slackware 3.0 and i can't seem to compile with
Jarvis> cc or gcc i get the following error with a simple c
Jarvis> program
Jarvis> test.c: In function `main': test.c:4: warning: return type
Jarvis> of `main' is not `int'
This is a warning, not a fatal error. This does not stop a
compilation. It refers to the fact that main() is required by the
language standard to return an `int' value. Correct format is
int main(void){ printf("hello world\n"); return 0; }
Note the `return 0;' line at the end of main().
cd ~/source/
gcc -pedantic -ansi -Wall -o test1 test.c
test.c:5: warning: return type for `main' changed to `int'
Compilation finished at Wed Feb 3 21:39:37
Unless you have other errors in your code, you should wind up with an
executable.
mp
8<---------------how-easy-is-it-to-demunge-an-address?------------------->8
#! /usr/bin/perl # if you are [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Another Luser):
while ($line = <>){ if ($line =~ m/^\s*$/ ){ last; }
if ($line =~ m/^From: (\S+) \(([^()]*)\)/){ $from_address = $1; } }
if ($from_address =~ m/\S+NOSPAM\S+/){ $x = index($from_address, NOSPAM);
substr($from_address, $x, 6+1) = ""; printf("The real address is %s\n",
$from_address);}else { printf("No munge, just plain %s\n",$from_address);}
printf("\nBrought to you by the Truth In Mail Headers Foundation\n");
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- --
Michael Powe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
Portland, Oregon USA
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From: "Greg Waugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,linux.dev.kernel,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: No luck with 2.2.x kernel on RH 5.2!
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:14:06 -0500
>>182 lines quoting for 2 lines information in 8 Newsgroups.
>>Bad ratio. You have to work on that.
>>Maybe you find a news-newusers FAQ.
>
>Better yet, 3 of 8 do not exist since '94.
Hey, come on, leave the guy alone, he's trying to help me... and he has
gotten me much farther. At least his post was on topic... ahem...
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: 03 Feb 1999 22:03:49 -0800
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>>>>> "Zoltan" == Zoltan Kocsi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Zoltan> Mayor Of R'lyeh wrote:
>> I'll go along with that if you admit that it is a valid
>> competitor for Windows. Many of the Linux guys want to have it
>> both ways. When discussing price they want to claim that it is
>> competition and want to include it but when you cite it as
>> competition for Windows they claim that it doesn't count since
>> it isn't a monolithic product from a single company. All I'm
>> looking for is some consistency.
Zoltan> This *is* consistent. Linux is not a competitive
Zoltan> product. It is an alternative product. There is a major
Zoltan> difference between the two. Linux does not compete with
Zoltan> Microsoft for Linux is not sold. It is freely
Sorry, this is nonsense. All that is necessary for `competition' to
take place is for users to be in the position to make a choice between
two products. At that point, the two products are `competing' for the
user's choice. Are you seriously contending that Netscape and
Internet Explorer are not competitive products because both are free?
Zoltan> Linux is *not* a product. It has no commercial value. Its
Linux most certainly is a product by any definition of the word that
I've ever seen. You are, of course, free to make up new definitions
of words if you wish.
Zoltan> If I was selling petrol and I killed or tried to kill
Zoltan> every other petrol refiner company I would be dragged to
Zoltan> court for monopolistic practices. If a uni student builds
Zoltan> a device that made the cars run on water instead on petrol
Zoltan> and gives the device away for free, this will not change
Zoltan> the fact that I was tried and probably found guilty on the
Zoltan> trial. The uni student may completely piss me off but he
Zoltan> does not compete on the petrol market even if he shrinks
Zoltan> it.
No, he doesn't compete in the `petrol' market, he competes in the
`automotive fuels' market: a market in which petrol is just another
product. A side effect of his product may be a serious impact on the
behavior of the petrol market, though.
mp
8<---------------how-easy-is-it-to-demunge-an-address?------------------->8
#! /usr/bin/perl # if you are [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Another Luser):
while ($line = <>){ if ($line =~ m/^\s*$/ ){ last; }
if ($line =~ m/^From: (\S+) \(([^()]*)\)/){ $from_address = $1; } }
if ($from_address =~ m/\S+NOSPAM\S+/){ $x = index($from_address, NOSPAM);
substr($from_address, $x, 6+1) = ""; printf("The real address is %s\n",
$from_address);}else { printf("No munge, just plain %s\n",$from_address);}
printf("\nBrought to you by the Truth In Mail Headers Foundation\n");
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Michael Powe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
Portland, Oregon USA
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