Linux-Misc Digest #899, Volume #25 Fri, 29 Sep 00 20:13:04 EDT
Contents:
[Newbie] sed (Antoine Bruguier)
Re: networking question (Vilmos Soti)
win2k and loadlin ("Joseph LaRosa")
Re: Different Flavors of Linux (Tim)
Re: Different Flavors of Linux (Tim)
Re: Inferno virtual OS for Linux - Free download ("Pacbell News Server")
Re: video card change ("ascii7")
C++ on Mandrake! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Portmap not reading hosts.allow and hosts.deny? (Ben Caradoc-Davies)
Re: Should I jump into Linux? (ray)
Re: Li..... (Colin Mackinlay)
Re: Should I jump into Linux? (PoD)
Re: RH7.0 kernel 2.2.17 compile problem (Francis Fillion)
Re: Debian or Redhat or Caldera, and KDE or Gnome? (lobotomy)
Limiting user accounts on Red Hat 6.1 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
How to limit e-mail accounts on Red Hat Linux 6.1 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: good mail/news client (Eduardo Chappa)
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From: Antoine Bruguier <***nospam***[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Newbie] sed
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:15:47 +0200
Reply-To: ***nospam***[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
I am looking for the syntax of se that would extract an URL from a file.
Example: (extract "ch*.gif")
cat test.html | sed 'I don't know what'
that would answer
ch2548789.gif
Thanks,
Antoine
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Subject: Re: networking question
From: Vilmos Soti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:17:25 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I've got Linux Mandrake running beside my Win98SE box. They are
> connected via a hub. The problem is that it takes over a minute to
> connect to the linux box, using either FTP or telnet.
dns. Either configure a dns server, or add the necessary entries
to /etc/hosts file.
Vilmos
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From: "Joseph LaRosa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: win2k and loadlin
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:59:25 -0400
I have win2k as my primary os. I have just installed Mandrake 7.2 beta and
I can't get grub to work correctly. I keep on getting an error about the
image being to big for the bios (my bios supports my 13 gb hard drive just
fine). I was wondering if loadlin would work for win2k. Also, is there a
way for win2k's boot.ini to be configured to boot linux. This would make my
life a whole lot easier. Thanks a lot!
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From: Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Different Flavors of Linux
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:30:06 -0000
Andreas K�h�ri wrote:
>
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >I am new to the Linux world and am terribly confused by all the
versions
> >of Linux that are available. Can someone please tell me what the
> >difference is between lets say Red Hat Linux and Mandrake Linux? Red
Hat
> >Linux and Corel's version? Etc.
> >
> >Thanks!
>
> They're not really different versions of Linux, they are just Linux
> shipped with different sets of utilities and "stuff".
>
> The easiest way to see the difference is to go to the home page of
> each distribution an see what they offer, and to hang around here to
> get a feel of what people think about them and what people use
> themselves.
>
> At <URL:http://www.linux.org/> you will find links to most available
> distributions (there's a "Distributions"-button on the page).
>
> /A (running Debian GNU/Linux)
>
> --
> Andreas Khri, <URL:http://hello.to/andkaha/>. Junk mail, no.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> What part of "GNU" did you not understand? <URL:http://www.gnu.org/>
Andreas, thanks so much for your reply. This really helps me out!
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From: Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Different Flavors of Linux
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:30:06 -0000
Richard Steiner wrote:
>
>
> Here in comp.os.linux.misc, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake unto us,
saying:
>
> >I am new to the Linux world and am terribly confused by all the
versions
> >of Linux that are available. Can someone please tell me what the
> >difference is between lets say Red Hat Linux and Mandrake Linux? Red
Hat
> >Linux and Corel's version? Etc.
>
> Each Linux distribution generally uses the same Linux kernel (the core
> of the operating system), so they all run the same software, but each
> has its own set of installation tools and system configuration tools,
> and each comes with its own collection of software (picked by whoever
> created the distribution).
>
> Red Hat's main focus is the server market with a bit of a noc towards
> the desktop, while Mandrake is focused on desktop users.
>
> Mandrake was originally little more than a repackaged Red Hat with a
> few additional items (like KDE) that Red Hat didn't include, but over
> time the two have diverged quite a bit.
>
> --
> -Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
> OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
> + VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
> Do you believe in subliminal (fnord) taglines?
Richard, thanks for your reply. I appreciate it!
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From: "Pacbell News Server" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Inferno virtual OS for Linux - Free download
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:41:59 -0700
"John Bates" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
>
> A free Inferno Binary & Limited Source download for Linux
> is now available from the Vita Nuova web site:
>
> http://www.vitanuova.com
>
> The result of more than 20 years of research in operating
> systems and programming languages by Rob Pike, Dennis Ritchie,
> Ken Thompson and others at the Bell Labs Computing Sciences
> Research Center, Inferno is a cultural descendant of Unix.
>
> Inferno is an operating system for creating and supporting
> distributed services that can run both natively and hosted
> on a range of platforms offering identical interfaces on all.
> In particular, Inferno runs as a virtual operating system
> on top of the Linux operating system. An overview of the
> system can be found at:
>
> http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/papers/bltj.html
>
> Inferno applications are written in a new language called Limbo
> which was designed specifically for the Inferno environment.
> Its syntax is influenced by C and Pascal, and it supports the
> standard data types common to them, together with several
> higher-level data types such as lists, tuples, strings,
> dynamic arrays, and simple abstract data types. In addition,
> Limbo supplies several advanced constructs carefully integrated
> into the Inferno virtual machine. In particular, a communication
> mechanism called a channel is used to connect different Limbo
> tasks on the same machine or across the network.
>
> Brian Kernighan has written an introduction to Limbo and
> Dennis Ritchie has written the Limbo Programming Language
> Reference Manual. These can be found at:
>
> http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/papers/descent.html
> http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/papers/limbo.html
>
> The package comprises:
> - - The Inferno operating system running in hosted mode for
> Linux which includes the Dis virtual machine, integral
> support for the Styx network protocol, and an
> implementation of the Tk user interface toolkit.
> - - Linux and Inferno versions of the Limbo compiler for use
> inside and outside of Inferno and with which all of the
> applications and library modules can be compiled.
> - - Source for most of the Limbo applications, including:
> * the web browser Charon and its ECMAScript/Javascript
> implementation,
> * the Acme integrating development environment,
> * the Yacc compiler-compiler,
> * the Inferno `sh' programmable shell,
> * plumbing support - similar to Plan 9's plumber,
> * several Unix-like tools: cat, cd, chmod, cmp, cp, date,
> dd, diff, du, echo, env, grep, gzip, kill, lc, lookman,
> ls, man, mkdir, mv, ps, pwd, rm, sleep, sort, sum, tail,
> tee, telnet, test, time, touch, tr, wc, xd, yacc, ...
> - - The contents of Volume 1 of the Inferno Programmer's Manual in
> Unix style man format.
> - - The Inferno suite of C cross-compilers for a variety
> of CPU architectures.
>
> Inferno: a small efficient virtual operating system for
> distributed computing and embedded devices.
>
>
>
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From: "ascii7" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: video card change
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:48:43 GMT
Make sure that the new video card is supported first.
Lucas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8r1mrs$g8i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I am going to replace my video card, but I cant
> find where could I change the vedio card
> setting.
>
> Could anybody figure it out for me please?
> Thanks very much.
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: C++ on Mandrake!
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:51:20 GMT
When I try to compile c++code on a Mandrake 7 machine, it complains
about "iostram.h" and other include files not found. RPM manager shows
C++ installed. I even reinstalled it. I have Redhat 6 and it does not
have that problem.
any detailed instructions please?
M.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ben Caradoc-Davies)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: Portmap not reading hosts.allow and hosts.deny?
Date: 29 Sep 2000 22:21:11 GMT
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:52:22 -0500, Kris Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>However, when I put "portmap: ALL" in the hosts.deny file, and then ran
>"rpcinfo -p" locally, the list of available RPC programs and ports was
>displayed.
tcp-wrappers (libwrap) apparently recognises the local host (even when you
connect to an interface other than localhost) and is permitting the connection.
Can you try this from another machine? You should get
"No remote programs registered."
> According to the HOWTO, I should have seen nothing at all,
>except maybe an error message. Killing and restarting portmap did not help;
>neither did rebooting the machine.
There's no need to restart the machine or daemon: programs which use
tcp-wrappers check the hosts.allow and hosts.deny files whenever needed.
As far as securing NFS goes, the protocol was not designed with security in
mind. I do hope your servers and clients are all behind a firewall which blocks
all NFS traffic. NFS uses a bunch of tcp and udp ports, and is no doubt
vulnerable to numerous network attacks. Securing portmapper only deprives an
attacker of information: nothing stops them from guessing the ports on which
are your nfsd, statd, mountd, lockd, and so on. NFS works quite well, but don't
be under any illusion as to its security in the absence of a firewall.
--
Ben Caradoc-Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Should I jump into Linux?
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 22:27:02 GMT
Jan Schaumann wrote:
> In our last episode, "Andrew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > I am looking for any advice and wisdom people have about 'an average
> > Joe' installing Linux on a home machine. I'm an applied math graduate
> > student, and I use my computer quite a bit. Like most folks I use the
> > web and e- mail, but I also write papers using Word and use Telnet and
> > FTP to access and utilize Matlab from home. I don't do any
> > programming, except mathematical programming using Matlab.
> >
> > -I've read and watched all the excitement about Linux, and I'm wondering
> >
> > what advantages installing Linux would offer to someone like me?
> > -I'm a TA, and I have to use a Unix spreadsheet program called Xess. My
> >
> > Microsoft spreadsheet program doesn't seem to be compatible. Is there a
> > Linux equivalent that is freely availble that would be compatible to
> > Xess?
>
> Generally, *any* unix-program will also run on Linux. I don't know xess,
> but http://freshmeat.net/projects/xess/ tells me it is for Linux as well.
> I usually use gnuermic for spreadsheets on Linux, tho.
>
> > -Is most Linux software free? More specifically, I have to write my
> > thesis using LaTex. Is there a Linux version of Tex that is free?
> >
>
> Almost *all* software for Linux is free. If it isn't, you can most likely
> find a program of equal quality that *is* free. And Linux does, of course,
> come with LaTeX on most installations, as well as LyX (a graphical
> front-end to LaTeX).
>
> > The bottom line, is that I'm not a Windows hater or Windows lover.
> >
> > I use my computer as a tool to get information and get my work done.
> > Would Linux be a good step for me to take?
>
> Linux would be an excellent step for you to take - especially for the
> scientific student you will be able to appreciate the way Linux
> andLinux-software works.
>
> -Jan
>
> --
> Jan Schaumann <http://www.netmeister.org>
>
> Why is it that we rejoice at a birth and grieve at a funeral? It is because we
> are not the person involved. -- Mark Twain
I AM an xess user, and it's pretty nice. It importted my Excel stuff problem
free. Since then, I haven't needed to look back.
--
Ray R. Jones
Errors have been made. Others will be blamed.
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From: Colin Mackinlay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Li.....
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:55:18 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Eric
> Are you sure that the kernel image is below cyl. 1024?
> The only way to make sure this is true, is to make sure /boot is in a
> partition that lies ENTIRELY below cyl. 1024.
> (You can check this with fdisk -l /dev/hda)
I thought I only had 3 partitions boot, root and swap so this looks
fishy already:
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hda1 * 1 33 16600+ 83 Linux
/dev/hda2 34 6256 3136392 5 Extended
/dev/hda5 34 5995 3004816+ 83 Linux
/dev/hda6 5996 6256 131512+ 82 Linux swap
> running fdisk /mbr will indeed leave you with an unbootable system.
> Did you rerun lilo after you made changes. What does the lilo.conf file
> look like? If you cannot make much out of it, post it here and you'll
> get more help. (But first make sure the kernel-image is below cyl. 1024)
boot = /dev/hda1
timeout = 50
prompt
default = linux
vga = normal
read-only
map=/boot/map
install=/boot/boot.b
image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14-5.0
label = linux
root = /dev/hda5
Ideas gratefully received!
--
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From: PoD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Should I jump into Linux?
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 08:32:20 +0930
Andrew wrote:
>[snip]
> -Is most Linux software free? More specifically, I have to write my
> thesis using LaTex. Is there a Linux version of Tex that is free?
> [snip]
LaTex should be included with most (if not all) distributions.
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From: Francis Fillion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH7.0 kernel 2.2.17 compile problem
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:04:06 -0400
I just compiled 2.2.17 (with the usb patch, the default kernel with
redhat 7.0 doesn't support my visor on usb). If you want to compile the
kernel just change gcc and cc in the Makefile for kgcc, in 2.2.16 you
don't use cc so just changing gcc for kgcc will work.
Here in the Makefile of 2.2.17:
HOSTCC =gcc
should be:
HOSTCC =kgcc
and here
CC =$(CROSS_COMPILE)cc -D__KERNEL__ -I$(HPATH)
should be
CC =$(CROSS_COMPILE)kgcc -D__KERNEL__ -I$(HPATH)
I just run 2.2.17 on redhat 7.0 now and everythings is fine, for those
who have a visor and want to use the usb to connect, the visor doesn't
connect with the stock kernel, well it connect but he is not recognized
by the kernel, by compiling a new kernel with the patch do the trick and
you still have eveythings you want, well with jpilot.
CU and take care.
Vic Gedris wrote:
>
> Juergen Heinzl wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Vic Gedris wrote:
> > >
> > >I'm having a problem compiling kernel 2.2.17 under RH 7.0. This kernel
> > >compiled perfectly fine under RH6.2, using the same pristine sources
> > >from kernel.org.
> >
> > ( I) don't use 2.95.2 or newer for the kernel, it's not yet ready
> > ( II) 2.96.whatever is a snapshot but AFAIK RH ships a kgcc
> > (III) 2.2.17 does compile with gcc-2.7.2.3
> >
> > As a minor note, you may get some warning from as depending on
> > the binutils version but as handles the `slight imperfections
> > in the asm code' by itself.
> >
> > Try to change the Makefile, run make mrproper first to be safe,
> > and then try again and good luck with RH 7.0.
>
> Juergen,
>
> Thanks! I didn't know about the kgcc. I am trying that right now.
>
> Oddly enough, I successfully compiled (but not yet booted) 2.4.0-test8
> with Redhat 7's default compiler.
>
> Cheers,
> Vic
>
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From: lobotomy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Debian or Redhat or Caldera, and KDE or Gnome?
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:46:52 GMT
I don't know if any of those are very recent. Red Hat 6.0 certainly
isn't, it comes with a 2.2.5 kernel (latest stable is 2.2.17), and a
very buggy 1.0.x version of GNOME. Debian 2.1 is even more archaic,
based around 2.0.36. However you may be able to automatically update
it to the latest version using the neato packaging utilities, if you
have a fast net connection. Caldera is less used than either of
those, you might find some of the usability 'enhancements' and
proprietary utilities handy, or annoying, depending on your taste.
As for GNOME and KDE, Red Hat 6.0 includes version of both of them,
although GNOME is the default (as I said the version included leaves
much to be desired). Debian only includes GNOME, for licensing
reasons, although that is going to change now that it is GPL'd.
Caldera I think is KDE-only. You are not going to be stuck with
fvwm95 in any case. And all of the above (well at least Red Hat and
Debian for sure) may give you trouble if you have a new video card,
because XFree86 3.3.2 may not support it.
Really you should try out all three, Caldera may be the only one that
works for you simply because it is newer, on the other hand Red Hat is
more 'standard', and Debian has a far superior packaging system. You
might also consider getting a newer distribution -- you can probably
find very cheap (<$5) CD's of just about any distribution from a place
like linuxmall, or download the ISO and burn it for free if you have a
CD-R drive.
On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 20:55:25 GMT, guy-jin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> well, i have been away from linux for a while.
>if you dont want to read my sob story, skip ahead
>to the ****'s.
>
>for the last couple of years, i had been in the
>possession of a computer that could easily be called
>evil. there was something desperately wrong with the
>hardware of that machine. multiple installs of dos 95
>fixed nothing, and even linux behaved strangely -
>processes would simply die for no apparent reason,
>as if root had kill -9'ed them. and besides, all
>i had for connectivity was a winmodem. linux isnt
>much fun without being able to download new
>applications.
>
>anyway, i was sick of trying to debug that peice
>of trash. (never buy a computer built by a guy named
>don austen - lives in MO now)
>***************
>we got a nice new AMD K7 650 w/ 64 mb ram and a
>6 gig hard drive.
>
>i want to install linux on it, now that i have a
>hardware modem. i need a new hard drive to make
>room, but that is not the point.
>
>i am in possession of 3 linux distros, each on
>one CD - Red Hat Linux 6.0, Debian GNU/Linux 2.1,
>and Caldera Open Linux 2.3. which of these is the
>most recent? which one do you think i should install?
>
>also, i would rather not use the packed in desktop
>environment. when i had linux before (an earlier
>version of redhat, dont remember which) it came
>with a desktop called fwvm95. (sp?) i thought it
>was very clumsy. i have read a lot about both
>Gnome and KDE, and would like your opinions on
>which i should use.
>
>finally, how is linux's USB support nowadays?
>last i knew, not very good - but it's been almost
>2 years.
>
>thanks in advance for any help
>g.f.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Limiting user accounts on Red Hat 6.1
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:44:09 GMT
How to limit user accounts on Red Hat Linux 6.1
so they can not receive a huge e-mails
(attachments).
Thank you
Zivko
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How to limit e-mail accounts on Red Hat Linux 6.1
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:47:28 GMT
How to limit e-mail accounts on Linux Red Hat 6.1 which is configured
as a mail server so that some users (or maybe all) can not receive a
huge (over the limit) e-mails (attahments).What is regular limit?What
file to edit.Is it doable by using Linuxconf?
Thank you
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From: Eduardo Chappa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: good mail/news client
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:36:23 -0700
*** Martijn Brouwer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote in the
comp.os.linux.misc newsgroup about "good mail/news client" on Sep 21,
2000:
:) I am still looking for a graphical mailclient that has the following
:) properties:
:) - IMAP support
:) - fast (has to run on a 100 Mhz 486)
:) - good looking
:) - complete and stable (no premature alfa release)
:) From freshmeat I made the following preselection and I would like to hear
:) some comments:
:) - althea
:) - gtkmail
:) - mahagony
:) - postoffice
:) - spruce
:) Other suggestions are of course welcome. Does anybody have a good
:) suggestion for a news client with the properties mentioned above?
Try Pine, get it at http://www.washington.edu/pine/
--
Eduardo
http://www.math.washington.edu/~chappa/pine/
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