Linux-Misc Digest #23, Volume #19 Sun, 14 Feb 99 13:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: one thing that sux about Linux.... ("David J.V. Brown")
Re: Linux suxxxx (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Re: Netscape 4.8/Redhat 5.2 just hangs very often (Jan Houtsma)
Re: help with xcopy (Ben Russo)
Re: Making Recovery Disks (Edward Nather)
Re: editing LILO? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Data for NOT using MS-Exchange. ("Paul Benfield")
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Kinkster)
Using visibroker for Java (Edwin van Gruijthuijsen)
Re: BIOS settings for PnP (steve winston)
minicom disconnects ("Hugh")
Re: Linux (James Barwick)
Re: Europarlement wishes to ban Proxy servers ("Michael Schmeing")
w command shows no users/utmp empty (Dan Srebnick)
Re: WP8 prints extra page of PS garbage (Jon Sundquist)
netscape freeze (Im Eunjea)
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From: "David J.V. Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: one thing that sux about Linux....
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 11:07:44 -0600
Jedi Master Yoda wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Feb 1999 19:11:38 +0000, Steve D. Perkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> saw fit to
>expound:
> >
> > I am sure that large corporations DO quite often use newsgroups to promote
> >themselves or degrade their competition, but I seriously doubt that this is the
> >case here. A multi-billion dollar corporation would probably create postings
> >that are intelligently thought-out and well written, attacking carefully
> >selected weak points and vulnerabilities in the competition's product. I don't
> >think that "Linux sux! Windoze rulz! Yeah!!!!" would fall under this
> >description.... <smile>
>
> That would depend on what audience they were trying to reach.
>
> JMY
EXCELLENT point! The kids who respond favorably to those kinds of "arguments" and
peer-pressure are the grownups (potentially) spending big bucks on the software of
tomorrow.
I'm sure Bill would be ecstatic if he could be guaranteed the successful brainwashing
of the
12-18 year-old populace.
This, IMHO, is also a reason why M$ isn't better about piracy protection with their
software.
If there was no way to get Windows98 without shelling out a few hundred dollars,
there'd be a
lot of kids who couldn't get it... so they'd look elsewhere for an OS. "Letting"
them have
the software for free early on develops experience and loyalty with the OS in that age
group.
When they grow up, and become administrators shopping OS's for big corporations who
have to
actually purchase licenses to avoid potentially ruinous lawsuits, M$ has already got
them in
the bag.
D
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux suxxxx
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 10:04:05 -0600
softalk wrote:
>
> Let me tell you I give up. After 3 solid weeks trying to set up a linux
> system I finally submit to the fact that me and Linux do not get on. I have
> been installing novell & Win networks as a job for 9 years but wow what a
> shock I got from Linux. It's like trying to learn to program in C with no
> manual or source code to compare. Even a simple job like installing a new
> program is sometimes impossible. So goodbye Linux and goodbye smug Linux
> users.
mmmm.... with thousands of non-CNE's non-programmers successfully
installing various disro's of Linux every day you don't imagine that it
could be you, could you? Na...
I'll bet you brought an attitude ("I've been installing...for 9
years...") to the task and felt you were "wise" enough to install Linux
with only a minimal or no reading of the docs and readmes. As a retired
teacher of 18 years I've seen bright students like you suffer failure
attempting a task and because of pride refuse to admit they needed help.
Goodbye... come back when you are willing to learn....
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 17:18:12 +0100
From: Jan Houtsma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,alt.netscape,a2000.comp.software.os.linux
Subject: Re: Netscape 4.8/Redhat 5.2 just hangs very often
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From: Ben Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: help with xcopy
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:14:44 -0500
Chris Leith wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Can anyone offer some help on the xcopy command used with mtools. I have a
> > RedHat 5.2 distribution, when I try to use the xcopy command I get an error
> > "xcopy: command not found"
> >
> > I know this question is kind of basic, I am on my first installation of a
> > Linux system and any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Freddy Vega
> >
> > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
>
> "xcopy: command not found" would indicate that either the xcopy binary is not
> installed on your system or the program xcopy is not in your path. Make sure
> that you even have the mtools package installed on your system first, I don't
> think it is installed by default. (You can check by typing 'rpm -qa | more'.
> This command will query all installed packages and print them out one page at
> a time.) If it is not installed you should have the package on your RedHat
> 5.2 CD-ROM I think. If mtools is installed, then you need to find where the
> actual binary 'xcopy' resides, and include this directory in your path. (I
> see that on my system, 'xcopy' is in the directory '/usr/bin/'.) To change
> your system-wide path you can edit the file '/etc/profile'. You must be root
> to do this.
>
> By the way, one other path related thing that got me for a long time was that
> the current directory you are in is not automatically searched for binaries
> like it is with Microsoft products. That is, even if you were to cd to
> /usr/bin/ you would still get the same error message if you tried to run the
> program 'xcopy'. The reason is for security. Anyway, if you want to run
> programs from the current directory that are not in your path you can prepend
> them with './'. For example, type './xcopy' instead of just 'xcopy'. By
> adding the './' you are actually specifying the entire path to the binary
> because '.' represents the current directory. (Whereas '..' represents the
> directory immediately above the current directory. Recall that to move up a
> directory you type 'cd ..'.)
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Chris Leith
Or just try "mcopy -/"
There is no "xcopy" in mtools. the "-/" means inclusive recursive copy.
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From: Edward Nather <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Making Recovery Disks
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 10:30:19 -0600
Anthony Christofides wrote:
> Try the Linux Bootdisk HOW-TO
>
> http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/Bootdisk-HOWTO.html
>
> And one thing: If I'm not mistaken, RedHat, 5.1 at least, doesn't create
> emergency stuff during installation; it creates a disk with lilo if you
> don't want to install lilo on your hard disk. This is a normal boot disk,
> not an emergency disk.
>
Umm ... not quite. You can boot from it all right, but you must *also*
make a rescue disk (by just copying a file to a different floppy, using
'dd'). Then, when you use the disk to start up, LILO says 'boot: ' and
you must type 'rescue'. It starts to boot up, then asks you to insert the
rescue disk.
ed
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: editing LILO?
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 16:28:46 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Here's a simple question; how can I edit LILO so that I have more time
> to hit TAB then type in my selection? Can it be edited to wait
> indefinately?All help appreciated!..walt
>
Yes. Edit /etc/lilo.conf then run lilo to install the changes.
One line in lilo.conf will read "timeout=50", or some number. Increasing this
number will increase the "hang" time. I don't know about indefinate though,
setting timeout=0 gives no hang.
Incidently, if linux is not using all your installed memory you can add a
line to lilo.conf (near the top) that reads append="mem=128M" Use the
amount of memory you have installed though - don't put a number larger than
what you have!
Jim
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Paul Benfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Data for NOT using MS-Exchange.
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 17:02:12 -0000
Having read all the threads here I would have to agree whole heartedly to
almost everything said.
I run a 22 PC network with MS Small Business Server (includes Exchange 5.5)
controlling most things.
Outlook 97 has caused me endless problems with it crashing and refusing to
co-operate with Netscape.
Having upgraded to Outlook 98 I still am totally unsatisfied with the
reliability of these clients.
As for Exchange, it frustrates me to hell that there is no decent support
for an ISDN network dial-up solution.
Either you use a modem or you use a leased line, if you're stuck in the
middle you end up with big ISDN bills.
I have worked around that problem by using scheduled batches to stop and
start the internet mail service, although
that isn't the best solution as the mail server sometimes gives up on
restarting before the ISDN router has finished connecting.
Also Exchange dislikes attachments and quite often garbages them or loses
them completely!
I would happily move to something else although I doubt my users would cope
with the change.
What are the options for client/server mail on Linux, especially on the
client side?
Cheers
Paul.Benfield
Cardiff, UK
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kinkster)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:10:56 GMT
On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:42:19 +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew
Foakes) wrote:
>Kinkster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I believe it was Robert Bork ( the former Supreme Court nominee) that
>> suggested ... that MS itself would be broken up into 3 companies all
>> with the same rights to Windows, IE, Office products etc. That's
>> basically what they did with Standard Oil and I think it would _really_
>> promote some competition and innovation.
>
>Hmmm ... Standard Oil is actually a good example of the dangers of
>intervention. Standard Oil was considered dangerous due to its monopoly
>on lighting oil. (It's monopoly on heating oil wasn't considered such a
>threat as there was wood and coal.) Electric lighting would always be
>too expensive, so there wouldn't be sufficient competition from that
>sector for the foreseeable future and that insignificant compnay called
>Shell would never get big if they continued only to supply oil to that
>irrelevent group of geeks who messed around with automobiles when they
>should be grooming the horses. And then there is this guy Darcy who
>insists that something big might be found in Persia, but he's just a
>crank and Persia is just a back water ...
You missed the point, the point was to the chicken littles who are
fearful of the government taking action against m$ as if this will be
the start of government controlled/regulated operating systems. I
pointed out Standard Oil as the government broke it up and basically
walked away. The government acts as referee , the ref's don't tell
duke how to play basketball they merely call fouls and impose
penalties.
>
>The rest, as they say, is history.
>
>[OK OK I've distorted the facts, but you get my drift, I hope]
>
>Personally, I suspect that Microsift are levering their OS monopoly to
>sell other applications,
That's _exactly_ what one of their VP's suggested they do with IE and
Windows, here's the internal e-mail.
The most dramatic piece of evidence
submitted was the email sent by
Allchin, who now heads Microsoft's
personal and business systems group.
"I don't understand how IE is going to
win," Allchin wrote in an email to Paul
Maritz, now group vice president for
Microsoft's platforms and applications
group. "The current path is simply to
copy everything that Netscape does,
packaging and product wise...My
conclusion is that we must leverage
Windows more. Treating IE as just an
add-on to Windows [is] losing our
biggest advantage--Windows market
share."
> but I don't think they should be split up for
>that even if I'm right. Microsoft is not, and never has been, a
>technology company. They are a marketing company and as such have
>taught the IT community that a salesman will always be richer than an
>inventor, which is hardly a new revelation. The only thing I think
>should be done to Microsoft at this stage is to force the company to
>operate with walls - i.e. the OS division must be seen to make a
>stand-alone profit and publish all correspondance with the appliocations
>division, etc.
m$ is _already_ supposed to notify competitors (say in their office
products) at the same time they notify their applications division(s)
about upcoming Windows changes, releases etc. It's been rumored for
years that m$'s internal divisions get the information before anyone
else does. You can decide if you think that's true or not.
> Both could then stay in the company, reward MS share
>holders for their investment and yet enforce a level playing field.
>
>In this senario, IE should be an application, not part of the OS, IMHO.
I think it would do wonders for the world of computing to see m$ broke
up into at least 3 different companies all with the same license to
the OS, Office and internet products.
>
>-= Andrew and Elaine Foakes ===========================================-
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From: Edwin van Gruijthuijsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Using visibroker for Java
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 18:04:40 +0100
I am trying to get some ORB communication going between my Linux box and
a Windows 98 machine. I have copied the jar files of Visibroker 3.3 for
Java to the Linux machine, on which I hava JDK 1.1.6 running.
On the Windows 98 machine I run the Visibroker Agent and a CountServer
(from Orfali's Corba/Java book, 2nd edition). Then I start the
CountClient on the Linux machine, which reports that it could not locate
the following object:
repository id: IDL:Counter/Count:1.0
object name: My Count
When I run the CountClient on the Windows 98 machine, all works fine.
Pinging between the two machines goes ok too. I use IP addresses
172.16.0.1 and 172.16.0.2 with subnetmask 255.255.255.0.
Any ideas how I can get the CountClient running on Linux?
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From: steve winston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: BIOS settings for PnP
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 08:24:55 -0800
Hy,
I had to install a pnp US Robotics modem on a computer with one hd using linux
and the other using win95. I shutdown pnp in BIOS and then following the
instruction that came with the modem, I installed it on Com2, setting the modem
jumpers to IRQ7. Works great with Linux (RedHat5.2). WIndows 95 can't
communicate with it, but I have installed printers on win95 since then with no
problem
STeve W
On Sun, 07 Feb 1999, Clue wrote:
>Hi, I've read that in order to run Linux properly with everything working
>properly, the PnP aware option in the BIOS must be turned off. Would that
>(turning off the OS PnP aware) affect other operating systems on my
>computer? (namely Windows 9x)
>Any help would be really appreciated. Thanks
--
m
m
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From: "Hugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: minicom disconnects
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 11:46:54 -0600
I dial into my ISP and minicom connects: (displays "Connect 19200"). Then it
does nothing for a few seconds and then disconnects. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Hugh
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From: James Barwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: Linux
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:41:09 GMT
Dustin Puryear wrote:
[SNIP]
>
> I would like to create a network (probably with Linux because it's
> free), based on TCP/IP for it's ease of setup, onto which all the users
> can piggyback there logins to our server. The dialup connection will
> probably be an on-demand type situation. I assume this is the best way
> to do it:
>
> 1 - setup a small network in the branch, where all machines are
> connected to the Linux machine
> 2 - have Linux setup to call our server whenever a client machine needed
> it
> 3 - have Linux use TCP/IP since this would allow more than one person to
> use the network/phone line -- I say this since having Linux just share
> the modem would only allow ONE person to use the modem at a time,
> defeating the whole plan
[SNIP]
Thousands of people do this EVERY DAY with linux. Actually I do it EVERY
day
with Linux. What you describe you want to do is EXACTLY AND I MEAN EXACTLY
what Linux users do every day to dailup to the internet!!!
Read the thousands of FAQs on PPP connections and dialups. Read the
thousands
of FAQs on bridges, routers, gateways.
What you need:
1. PPP Server at location 1 (Read the DIP FAQs)
2. PPP Server at location 2 (Again, read the DIP FAQs)
3. Routing strategies (Read the route and bind FAQs)
4. DNS server (you will want this probably) (Read FAQs on named)
5. Samba (just to keep your Win95 boxes connected).
6. .....etc.
This is not something to jump into lightly. But this is only one of the
things Linux does best.
Where to start you ask?
1. Install and configure linux on 2 boxes.
2. Put modems in both and Ethernet Cards in both.
2a. Assign network cards ip addresses 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.1.1
(You will have two subnets)
2b. Assign the modem cards 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.1.1
(You will have two more PPP subnets to link)
3. Put both machines on your desk right next to each other and get two
phone lines and
plug them in to the modems.
4. Practice with PPP dialup server/client connects until you get bo
Note: This is only ONE way out of thousands and my not be the best way.
Read the FAQs
You can do this without the 10.0 network, as it's an approach only!
Machine 1 Machine 2
Ethernet NIC Modem Modem Ethernet NIC
192.168.0.1 10.0.0.1 10.0.1.1 192.168.1.1
OR
Machine 1 Machine 2
Ethernet NIC Modem Modem Ethernet NIC
192.168.0.2 192.168.0.1 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.2
Ether way it's up to you. My approach is always the first one
so that nothing gets confused with the sub-nets. There are
hundreds of other configurations that will work too. Just try
one out.
Maybe someone will post a better solution...I'm sure one exists!
Good Luck!
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From: "Michael Schmeing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Europarlement wishes to ban Proxy servers
Date: 13 Feb 1999 13:24:51 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Crane) writes:
> On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:41:47 -0500, "James D. McIninch"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >For what it's worth, the proposition from the EU would not only
> >ban proxying, but also ban transient copies of the program, including
> >memory caches. Technically speaking, you would need to disable the
> >hardware caches on all your hardware.
>
> >This is akin to the enlightened legislation in the states that
> >prevents the US from using secure computer protocols in international
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >banking and commerce.
>
> There is no law banning "secure computer protocols" (I suppose you
> mean encryption) in the USA. There is a ban on EXPORTING certain
> encryption technology, a stupid enough idea in and of itself, but no
> ban on it's use.
You have to EXPORT encryption to USE it in INTERNATIONAL commerce as
all partners have to use the same protocoll. So the law forbidding
export of encryption-SW as well forbids the USE of it when at least
one partner is inside and at least one outside the US (and Canda I
think).
> There is also an attempt by law enforcement types to
> require "key recovery" in encryption systems.
--
Michael Schmeing, Artillerieweg 46, D-26129 Oldenburg
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www: http://www.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE/~michae2
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Srebnick)
Subject: w command shows no users/utmp empty
Date: 13 Feb 1999 08:06:09 -0500
My w command has stopped showing who is logged on to the box. In checking
around, it seems that /var/log/utmp is now empty. I'm running kernel
2.2.1, glibc2.06, procps-1.2.9. Can someone suggest possible sources of
failure?
Thanks,
Dan
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 12:20:24 +0000
From: Jon Sundquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: WP8 prints extra page of PS garbage
fred smith wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> : I have RedHat 5.2 and my bjc250 is configured as a bjc600 with printool using
> : the floyd steinburg option for color (when I put the cartridge in). I use
> : the postscript passthrough option in WP8. When it prints, other than
> : everything is shifted to the left (which I think is a problem with the latest
> : GS), it prints fine...but the last page is a page of postscript garbage.
>
> : I also use Applix, and it doesn't do this.
>
> : Any suggestions?
>
> I think a bunch of us have struggled with that problem. Can't say that
> I've fixed it but it seems to not bother me much anymore. What I did
> was to stop using my own home-compiled GS 5.10 and am now using the GS
> that came with RH 5.2, I think it is version 4.03. I don't know why
> it makes a difference, but the problem seems to happen a lot less now.
> However I still think it must be something bogus in the PS output by WP8
> since no other app (that I've tried) causes it.
I had this problem. I tried the different/old GS way for a while, then
I stumbled on a printing-with-WP page somewhere out there on the web
(don't remember the URL, I think it primarily was concerned with adding
fonts to WP). Anyways, it said use the QMS magicolor PS driver in WP,
and all will be well. And guess what, it is! I feed this through GS5.1
through the stock RH5.x printfilters, and it comes out great on my
BJC600. No more extra page of gs BS.
Jon Sundquist
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From: Im Eunjea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: netscape freeze
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 13:13:41 +0900
I'm using redhat 5.2
when my netscape 4.08(also 4.07,) with enable java script reading some
web pages
just freezing.
but I can use with disable java script option very happy.
any ideas? thanks
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