Linux-Misc Digest #95, Volume #19                Fri, 19 Feb 99 08:13:06 EST

Contents:
  Re: Always as root - is it dangerous? (Ken Roberts)
  Re: Always as root - is it dangerous? (Mick Costa)
  Re: 3COM 3C905BTX Ethernet card (Mick Costa)
  Re: More bad news for NT ("FreeserveNews")
  Re: Need help with mounting floppy and cdrom (dmalcolm)
  Re: Can Applixware open Micorsoft Word formatted files (i.e. .doc files)? (Shane 
Steven Sturrock)
  Re: Logging Telnet Sessions to a Text File (Frank da Cruz)
  Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Thomas Joynt)
  Re: C Programming for ISA Card ("Norm Dresner")
  Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Richard Caley)
  Re: Linux jingle ("Brian")
  Squid, Filedescriptors, /etc/limits & Debian (Ralph)
  Re: kernel panic at boot ("Dan Maclolm")
  Re: Using both outgoing pppd and mgetty on same system (M. Buchenrieder)
  EQL functioning (Patrick Lanphier)
  Soundblaster doesn't work.. (Mart van Santen)
  Microsoft Publisher look alike? (Tom Napolitano)
  Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Matthew Coulson)
  Re: X11 & LD_LIBRARY_PATH (Marc D. Williams)

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From: Ken Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Always as root - is it dangerous?
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:21:17 -0600

Nils Westerlund wrote:

> I installed SuSE Linux 5.3 two days ago and I'm really impressed so far.
> After ten years in MSWindows-environment there are some things that are
> a bit confusing. Could it be "dangerous" to always log in as root? I
> don't want to re-login or su everytime I want to mount a zip or
> something like that, and therefore I always log in as root. How do you
> guys usually do?
>
> thnx
> nisse
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Staying as root is always a bad idea.  As with MS stuff, if you stay logged
in as root, you're bound to make a mistake or a friend will accidentally
delete some stuff that realistically only root needs to do, not normal
users.  Very easy to make a machine unbootable this way.

There are options that allow normal (not root) users to mount removable
disks.

In your /etc/fstab file:

/dev/hda1       /win98  vfat    defaults,noauto 2 2

the first column is the device/partition
the second column is where it's going to get mounted
the third column is the type of filesystem to mount
the fourth column is the options (for users to mount/unmount, add the
option "users", as in "default,noauto,users"
fifth and sixth columns indicate checking parameters

For a zip disk, I have the following

/dev/hdc1       /usr/home/ftp/zip/ext2  ext2    defaults,noauto,user    0 0

/dev/hdc4       /usr/home/ftp/zip/dos   msdos   defaults,noauto,user    0 0

/dev/hdc4       /usr/home/ftp/zip/vfat  vfat    defaults,noauto,user    0 0

The first one is an EXT2 (linux) partition on a zip disk (using partition
1)
the second one is a standard MSDOS mount (8.3 filenmaes) (using partition
4)
the third one is Win95 format (using partition 4)

You will notice the difference between the ext2 format and the dos/vfat
format - for some reason Iomega formatted the zip disks as partition 4
instead of partition 1.

There is also an autodetect fstype option, but the autodetect function will
mount a win95 disk as an msdos disk (8.3 filename length).

- Ken


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From: Mick Costa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Always as root - is it dangerous?
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:07:36 -0500

I think the danger is that a simple slip-up can cause some horrible
problems when you are logged in as root.  It's the old situation where
you type in:

rm -f / directory

instead of

rm -f /directory

You should really think about those times that you absolutely need to be
root.  I believe that you can configure you system to allow you to mount
disks without being root.  Are there other occasions where you REALLY
need to be root?







Nils Westerlund wrote:
> 
> I installed SuSE Linux 5.3 two days ago and I'm really impressed so far.
> After ten years in MSWindows-environment there are some things that are
> a bit confusing. Could it be "dangerous" to always log in as root? I
> don't want to re-login or su everytime I want to mount a zip or
> something like that, and therefore I always log in as root. How do you
> guys usually do?
> 
> thnx
> nisse
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: Mick Costa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 3COM 3C905BTX Ethernet card
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:59:50 -0500



"Kerry J. Cox" wrote:
> 
>I usually compile my own kernels from source on
> my machine at home, but here at work I have this rather new ethernet
> card, the 3COM 3C905BTX ... but has anyone had any
> problems with this card. 

I have yet to have a significanrt problem with this card.  I've used it
with kernels 2.0.35, 2.0.36, and 2.2.1 without fuss.  Just needs to be
included when you are compiling the kernel (either compiled in or as a
module I believe).  The only problem I've had is that I am using a dual
boot machine.  If I am in Win 95, a soft reboot into Linux fails to
initialize the card properly. I need to cold boot in order to get it
working.  I am using it with DHCP over my cable modem and it has been
flawless.

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From: "FreeserveNews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:32:22 -0000

>> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> >   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...
>> > They'll be available as individual packages or in the complete
SQL/Kitchen
>> > suite.  The development kits include Pan/SQL, Pot/SQL, and Knife/SQL.

Numerous add-ons (plug-ins) will be available including an audio interface
subroutine library codenamed Kettle/SQL.  Then, of course, you will be able
to hear the Pot calling the Kettle...

(:]






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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:33:35 -0600
From: dmalcolm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need help with mounting floppy and cdrom

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I'm not sure this will help but...
I notice that your mount point is /mnt/cdrom.  if you have created the cdrom
subdir
under /mnt then I don't know why it won't work.  If not try
mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt

The only other thing I can suggest is that the cdrom may not be  mapped to
/dev/cdrom.
During bootup when the system finds your cdrom drive, it will refer to it as
/dev/?????.  (???? = somedevice)
Same with the floppy.  Look in /var/log/messages.  All of your boot messages
from each boot are stored there.
You may find a clue as to how to get your cdrom and floppy mounted.

Dan

Michael Nystr�m wrote:

> Hello all
>
> I have a problem, when i mount the cdrom and floppy in Linux with the
> command
> mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom  i get the message : /dev/fd0 (or
> /dev/cdrom) is not a valid block device, Why? How do i mount the cd or
> floppy?
>
> Michael Nystr�m
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Shane Steven Sturrock)
Subject: Re: Can Applixware open Micorsoft Word formatted files (i.e. .doc files)?
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:31:29 +0000

On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:44:33 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Is the reverse also true? Will Microsoft Word and Excel open Applixware files?
>
>> Applix works for most Office documents, up to Office 97. I've had it
>> choke on a couple, but it mostly works. YMMV

While you can save Applix documents (export) as older MS formats, the MS
product doesn't support import of Applix native formats.  Interesting since
Applix has been around longer than Windows, of course it was restricted to
UNIX in those days, I guess MS didn't see the need to deal with it.

WordPerfect 8.0 does a fine job of reading and writing Applix 4.x documents.

-- 
Dr. Shane Sturrock - http://nova.bru.ed.ac.uk/~sss
Linux, a better WinNT than WinNT

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank da Cruz)
Subject: Re: Logging Telnet Sessions to a Text File
Date: 18 Feb 1999 14:39:57 GMT

In article <7ah75a$abf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Is it possible to log a telnet session to a text file?        I'm trying to
: diagnose some Cisco switches and need to send some screen dumps.  I read the
: man pages on telnet and noticed the tracefile option, but I could not get it
: to work.
: 
Yes, use C-Kermit:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html

as your telnet client.  Then you can log sessions, script sessions, and 
upload/download files to Cisco boxes that support Kermit protocol (as some
do).

- Frank

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From: Thomas Joynt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 03:41:58 -0800

Michael Powe wrote:

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> >>>>> "Sean" == Sean Loaring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>     Sean> Michael Powe wrote:
>     >>  that decent support would be achievable.  I do Windows support
>     >> all day long with "ordinary citizens" and, based on that
>     >> experience, I don't believe that Windows is anything like
>     >> "intuitive" or "easy to use."
>
>     Sean> Here, here!  I have spent a large amount of time
>     Sean> administering systems and I can say that working with
>     Sean> Loose95 is like an anal root canal.
>
> Nice image!  ;-)
>
>     Sean> Working with 'doze drivers is horrible.  Nothing like having
>     Sean> to restart a system five times to get a damn network card
>     Sean> working properly (as far as 'doze goes).
>
> Yeah, or spending 45 minutes installing a video driver.  Which had
> been installed just fine until the unsuspecting user installed another
> broken game that hosed the video.
>
> For my money, the worst programmers on the planet write games.  Every
> day I have reason to be glad that computer games have no interest for
> me.  I just think of all the hours I have saved by not having to
> reconfigure my system over and over and over and over ...
>

Eh... though I agree that tweeking your system to play a game gets old real
fast, I'd have to disagree with the reason behind it. Game designers aren't
poor programmers (by and large), they're simply working under different
restrictions then developers of office or development tools.

    1) Games generally use bleeding-edge technology that is by it's very
nature unstable and error prone. They're often trying to do something "new and
improved", which means *unproved*.

    2) Game developers are under *intense* pressure to relese games before
arbitrary dates (ie Christmas). Often publishers will release a game before it
has been fully debugged and release and update or a patch a month later.
They're often aware of the bugs before the release, but are pressured by the
market to release it anyway.

Of course, the way Windows 9x is structured makes it such that a buggy game or
a driver can bring down the whole OS. Oh well, it's what you have to put up
with if you want to play a bleeding-edge game on a kludge like Win9x.

It's like fdisk: if you don't want to mess with your system and potentially
hose everything, don't use it.

-- Tom

>
> mp
>
> - --
> Michael Powe                                          Portland, Oregon USA
>            [EMAIL PROTECTED]    http://www.trollope.org
>   "Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
>                          -- Anthony Trollope
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Crossposted-To: 
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,linux.dev.c-programming,linux.dev.serial
From: "Norm Dresner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: C Programming for ISA Card
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:16:51 GMT

I took a quick look at their web-site and couldn't tell exactly which board
you have.  Nevertheless, their digital I/O boards look quite simple,
controllable with simple input and output instructions at the asm-level. 
Thus the boards can be controlled easily with C using the input- and
output-functions that are in the implementation-specific portion of the
library that came with your C-compiler.

You have two choices:
        1) a "super-user" program which allocates the I/O ports corresponding to
the board to itself and directly writes to the board
or      2) a device-driver which is loadable and does much the same, but is
usable by all users.

        Option #1 is simpler if you (or the person using the computer to use the
boards) have a su-account or your sys-admin is willing to create a
suid-shell or program for you.
        Option #2 may be simpler administratively, but writing a driver, while not
brain surgery or rocket science, is not as easy as writing "data =
inp(port);"  If you do choose to do this yourself, there's a very good book
from O'Reilly on the subject

        Norm
(Yes, I could do it, but I won't offer, even for money).


        The choice is yours.

Rick Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
<7af9nb$8uu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> The board is made by Decision Computer Peripherals, Taiwan
> (www.decision.com.tw). They have code examples for VB (using a supplied
> DLL), which is no use to me. I really need those C examples.
> 
> Regards,
> Rick Wheeler.
> 
> mlw wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >Rick Wheeler wrote:
> >>
> >> I have an ISA Industrial Digital I/O card, caple of driving up to 64
> >> seperate outputs (namely, Relays). I need to be able to drive
solenoids
> off
> >> each relay separately & eclusively. I have programming examples for VB
on
> >> Windows 95/NT using the DLL provided by the manufacturer. I wish to
> control
> >> the card via a Linux application written in C.
> >>
> >> Can anyone provide programming examples, documentation or other advise
> that
> >> may be of benefit to me?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Rick
> >
> >Who makes the card? Is it a Keithley or a Computer boards product? Is it
> >based on standard PIO chips? It should be easy enough to write a device
> >driver to do it.
> >
> >
> >--
> >Mohawk Software
> >Windows 95, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
> >Visit the Mohawk Software website: www.mohawksoft.com
> 
> 
> 

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From: Richard Caley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 18 Feb 1999 14:47:20 +0000

In article <7af3sj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John S Dyson (jsd) writes:

jsd> Honest GPL preamble:

jsd> I understand that you might have spent 6months or so of your
jsd> own or billable time in producing a new techology.  However,
jsd> [...]

Someone who spends 6 months working on something but didn't read the
licence is very hard for any licence to cope with.

-- 
Mail me as rjc not [EMAIL PROTECTED]            _O_
                                                 |<


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From: "Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux jingle
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 04:55:30 +1100

Hows this

On the first day of Linux my puter said to me
Piss off you bloody great twit
On the second day of Linux my puter said to me
Go back to windows find a cure for it
On the third day of Linux my puter said to me
Don't you know when it's time to give up ?
On the fourth day of Linux my puter said to me
Modem working :) LOOK AT THIS  ******* UGLY
CLUNKY USELES TASTELESS WEB BROWSER
On the fifth day of Linux my puter said to me
I repeat what I said on the third day you idiot
On the sixth day of Linux my BODY said to me
2 extra heamaroids, black sacks under eyes ,
lost weight , brain sick of reading useless howto's,
no more coffee please ,windows was never this bad,
go on say it ,say it ,say it ,you'll feel better,
 LINUX FUCKING STINKS
NOW GO TO BED AND GET SOME SLEEP :(
On the seventh day of Linux my puter said to me  :o)
??????????????????????????????????
Regards                       Brian





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From: Ralph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Squid, Filedescriptors, /etc/limits & Debian
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:58:36 -0500


I'm running debian slink as a transparent webcache, and I need to increase
the number of filedescriptors.  Unfortunetly the filedescriptor patch
available at ftp.is.co.za doesn't apply to the kernel-source-2.0.36.  So I
echoed the new sizes i need to the correct proc files and i'm still not
home free.  Seems that either the shell or the kernel is keeping me from
being able to let a single user have more than 256 file descriptors open.
I checked the limits file and removed the limits for the account that
needs higher limits and unfortunetly this doesn't help a bit either... So
basically i'm looking for suggestions on what to do next.  if anyone that
has experience with Squid (big site), Debian, and the Filedescriptors
limit issue could contact me i'd greatly appreciate it.  Thanks in
advance.  (Also i've tried the ulimit and limit programs to change it and
its no go there also)  Post here and email if possible.  Thanks again.

Regards,
Ralph
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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From: "Dan Maclolm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: kernel panic at boot
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:55:52 -0600

specifically what is the kernel panic message?  It will usually try to tell
you what is wrong.

Dan
bM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:s0Vy2.41438$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>Hi
>for some unknown reasons I got the kernel panic message.
>(linux slackware 2.0.30) I tried to boot with floppies, but I got the same
>error message.I tried at LILO message
>linux init=/bin/bash
>but I got the same message.Any help is appreciated
>Bernard
>
>



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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.dial-up,alt.os.linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: Using both outgoing pppd and mgetty on same system
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:21:11 GMT

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh) writes:


>I would like to use one of my machines both to dial out to another isp
>on and to be able to dial in to that machine from another one. (ie the
>one machine is, at different times, a client and a server for ppp)
>However if I run mgetty on my modem, (/dev/ttyS1) so it can answer the
>phone when I call in, and then run pppd to dial out, pppd refuses to
>connect to that modem port.  (in fact gives that wonderfully unhelpful
>"your kernel may not have ppp" ubiquitous error message.) I also tried
>to have mgetty listen on /dev/cua1 and use pppd on /dev/ttyS1 and still
>had trouble. 

Argh. Typical case of: Documentation_not_read_error .

All programs accessing the serial port have to be using ttyS* , 
which means that not only mgetty and pppd but "chat" as well
have to be configured to be listening to ttyS1 .

>Also, how do you prevent mgetty from hearing the traffic and
>misinterpreting it and continually dying and then having init revive
>it?

See above.

Michael
-- 
Michael Buchenrieder * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.muc.de/~mibu
          Lumber Cartel Unit #456 (TINLC) & Official Netscum
   Note: If you want me to send you email, don't mungle your address.

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From: Patrick Lanphier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: EQL functioning
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:06:47 -0500

I have proceeded along the following lines to get EQL working for my dial a 
connection, however,
have been unsuccessful.  If you could please take a look at the following and provide 
any
suggestions as to why it is not working, I would truly appreciate it.

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

setserial /dev/cua1 spd_vhi
setserial /dev/cua2 spd_vhi

ifconfig eql 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 mtu 576


pppd persist lock modem crtscts novj mtu 576 debug /dev/cua1 115200 remotename p
pp0 ipparam ppp0 noipdefault netmask 255.255.255.0 connect '/usr/sbin/chat -v -f
 /etc/ppp/chat-ppp0'


pppd persist lock modem crtscts novj mtu 576 debug /dev/cua2 115200
 remotename ppp1 ipparam ppp1 noipdefault netmask 255.255.255.0 connect '/usr/sb
in/chat -v -f /etc/ppp/chat-ppp1'


/sbin/route del 10.0.0.1
/usr/sbin/eql_enslave eql ppp0 57600
/usr/sbin/eql_enslave eql ppp1 57600
/sbin/route add default dev eql

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Thank you,
Patrick Lanphier
Advanced Information Technologies
The Pennsylvania State University

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:01:38 +0000
From: Mart van Santen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Soundblaster doesn't work..

I have a creative 16-bit ISA PnP soundblaster. isapnp discover the ID
string "Creative ViBRA16X PnP" with the substrings "Audio" and
"Gameport" and allows me to configure the card. This all works correct.
But the problem is, this card uses (as most cards) two DMA channels. The
first is 0, 1 or 3 (seems to be normal) and the second is also 0, 1 or
3.
I'm using 0 for the first and 3 for the second. But the Linux driver
doesn't allow to use DMA 3 for the second channel. It only allows 5,6 or
7.....but these values are not accepted by the soundcard...
Anybody any idea to solve this problem??
IO and IRQ doesn't seem to have problems.

I'm using RedHat 5.1, kernel 2.0.36 and/or kernel 2.2.1




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Napolitano)
Subject: Microsoft Publisher look alike?
Date: 19 Feb 1999 04:46:03 PST


    Has anyone encountered a Unix/Linux replacement for Microsoft
Publisher?  I do a bimonthly newsletter and have to admit that it
is much more flexible than Tex or anything else for that matter in
this application.  Maybe an X GUI frontend to Tex could do the job,
but I'm not aware of any.

    Thanks,  Any suggestions will be welcome.

Cheers, Tom Napolitano               |
        [EMAIL PROTECTED]        |


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From: Matthew Coulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:05:46 -0700

Linux is better since if you want to get a book that truly tells you what is
going on in Windows there aren't any. The only way to tell that is source code
since there is no other way I would be able to tell what all my GPE, FE, etc.
were caused by. With Linux I can find out that stuff and hell I don't even have
to worry about the crash that would bring down my windows machine since I have
to reboot my NT server every twenty days if I just run it if I add much software
well I might have to reboot every hour since after installing software you must
reboot your windows machine. What ever happened to the idea of reloading
something, oh microsoft never had that. Also if you want to see what all is
running or being added to your windows machine you have to check at least ten
billion locations (I am serious since something may be added in any random
directory, into your registry, inf's, ini's, etc. With Linux you don't have to
worry so much about stuff like that. Linux is for Stability, Simplicity, and
Affordability. Windows is for Instability, Complexity, and Monopolies.

Matthew Coulson

Tim Black wrote:

> The Infernal One wrote in message
> <7afev1$65t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >Keith G. Murphy wrote:
> >>Alexander Viro wrote:
> >
> >
> >An objective measure of ease of use is extremely hard.....
>
> Surely you are referring to the ease of use of the shell and Windows
> package, no tto the OS itself.  Any flavour of Unix is notoriously difficult
> to use, however the shells / windowing front-ends are what make the system
> "easy" to use, not the OS.  Can you imaine what NT / Win95.98 is doing in
> the back ground when its serving up the familier windows desktop.
>
> The thing about Unix is if you don't like your Windowing package, change it.
> Bill doesn't give you a choice.  Its all about options at the end of the day
> regards
> tim.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marc D. Williams)
Subject: Re: X11 & LD_LIBRARY_PATH
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 19 Feb 1999 12:25:27 -0800

On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 09:11:13 +0000, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  It seems to me that X11 unset the LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable when
>launching. Is there anyway to make X11 be 'friendly' whith
>LD_LIBRARY_PATH?
>
>  Guillaume.
>
And what's the problem exactly? Is something not working?
When you start X bring up an xterm and type
  echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
  
See if everything is there or not (or start xterm with -ls just because).
My entries from the profile are still intact with X.

-- 
>>ANIME SENSHI<<
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