Linux-Misc Digest #110, Volume #19               Sat, 20 Feb 99 10:13:20 EST

Contents:
  load  average? ("Xah")
  Re: Wich Linux shouls I install (Alex Nichol)
  Re: SCSI CDROM Problem (Pavel Greenfield)
  Re: WindowMaker 0.51.0 and RedHat 5.2 Problems (xcitor)
  Re: Help with LILO ("James Fitzgerald")
  Re: GCC x EGCS (Paul Kimoto)
  Re: Linux Compatible modem? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  xosview dumps core (Junichi SAITO)
  Re: Disabling a hard drive? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Detecting CD ("J�rgen Exner")
  Re: Linux in embeded systems? (Byron A Jeff)
  Re: Kernel won't load my CD-ROM driver module ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: PPP/PAP problems - UK: Connection to Freeserve (Shaw  Carruthers)
  Re: Linux Compatible modem? (Frank Hahn)
  Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused (Bill Polhemus)
  Re: pop3d acting up? (Frank Hahn)
  Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused (Bill Polhemus)
  proxy server with IRC support? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  password isql sybase linux? (Raymond Doetjes)
  Re: Suse 5.2 and glibc2 (Raymond Doetjes)
  Re: Space Station uses 95/NT, disaster imminent (no joke) (Charles H. Chapman)
  Maxtor 13.6GB Ultra DMA Hard Drive (Robert Young)
  Re: Linux & VPN (Raymond Doetjes)
  Re: PPP seems slow (Patrick Lanphier)

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 04:14:41 -0800
From: "Xah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: load  average?

How exactly is the number in the 'load average' of 'top' calculated?

I consulted several unix/linux books, but all are extremely fuzzy.

 Xah, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.best.com/~xah/PageTwo_dir/more.html
 X reality check: "http://ecco.bsee.swin.edu.au/unix/uh/x-windows.html"

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Nichol)
Subject: Re: Wich Linux shouls I install
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 12:22:24 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Francis Pierot wrote:

>Installation process for SuSE is very nice for a text mode. Both RedHat and
>SuSE are really easy to install. I found X11 was a little more work to
>install with SuSE but nothing you could not overcome.

I just put up SuSE 5.3 - and its SaX tool for setting up X11 worked
extremely easily.  As did the KDE kppp tool for setting up a ppp
dialup connection - fa easier than the method SuSE have in their
manual.

-- 
Alex Nichol
Bournemouth, U.K.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: Pavel Greenfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: SCSI CDROM Problem
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:25:40 -0500

I'm sorry, I meant /dev/sdc. I guess it's still not right. Thanks...

Gerald Willmann wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, Pavel Greenfield wrote:
>
> > I can't seem to get my SCSI Toshiba CDRom to work. (It's Toshiba
> > XM-5401TA.)
> > (I tried >>>mount /dev/hdc /cdrom, and mount would respond /dev/sdc is
>
> try /dev/scd0 - it's definitely not hdc if you have a scsi cdrom
>
>                                        Gerald


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (xcitor)
Subject: Re: WindowMaker 0.51.0 and RedHat 5.2 Problems
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:25:08 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On 16 Feb 1999 23:23:34 GMT,
Hans Wolters wrote
from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 

  >James H Timberlake III wrote:
  >:i recently installed redhat 5.2.  in a previous version of redhat i was
  >:able to get windowmaker working properly (i think it was 4.x).  i built
  >:and installed libPropList first, then installed the data tarball, and
  >:finally built and installed the wm tarball.  i ran wmaker.inst and
  >:everything seemed to work, but when i go into X windows, i'm in fwvm95. 
  >:is there something i'm missing?  please help.
  >
  >Looks like your ~/xinitrc is pointing to fwvm95. If so then change it to:
  >
  >exec wmaker 

Or mebbe your ~/.wm_style is not set up right, ie, contains WindowMaker?

-- 
Thank goodness modern convenience is a thing of the remote future.
                -- Pogo, by Walt Kelly

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From: "James Fitzgerald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help with LILO
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:02:55 -0500

Mr. Wolfsheimer,

Thanks very much.  Your detailed explanation was very helpful.  I got to my
linux partition with "vmlinuz root=/dev/hdc1" off the boot disk and ran
lilo.  Am back in business with Linux. Thanks a lot!

Jim Fitzgerald



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: GCC x EGCS
Date: 19 Feb 1999 15:16:17 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In article <7akave$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Floyd Davidson wrote:
> Philip Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> However, there is no reason not to use EGCS to compile a 2.0.x
>>> kernel.  It requires application of a simple patch to the source
>>> code tree and thats it.

By the way, this patch can be found at
http://www.suse.de/~florian/kernel+egcs.html .

>> Nooo...absolutely not. You do this at your own risk. 2.0.x kernels
>> are *not* guarenteed to work when compiled by egcs.

> Oh shudder the thought, *at your own risk* !!!!
>
> How does that differ from running a 2.0.x kernel compiled with gcc,
> which is also at your own risk.  I don't recall any guarantee coming
> with any variation of a Linux kernel yet.
>
> Lots of people are indeed compiling 2.0.x kernels using egcs, and
> that is not significantly different than, for example, running a 2.1.x
> kernel.

This is true.

But Alan Cox maintains 2.0.x (funded by Red Hat, I believe), 
and he doesn't want you to use egcs.  If a gcc-compiled 
(2.0.x) kernel breaks, you can complain to him or to the 
linux-kernel mailing list, and someone should take an
interest.  If an egcs-compiled (2.0.x) kernel breaks, those 
folks will ignore you, and so you get to figure out how to
fix it.

-- 
Paul Kimoto             <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux Compatible modem?
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:55:14 GMT

On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 07:50:43 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Hi everyone!
>
>Could you tell me whether I can use either a Diamond Supra Express 56K v90
>modem or a ZOOM DUalMode 56K modem with Linux?
>
I curently use the zoom external at work and the internal at home.
Linux doesn't always detect the internal version though.  I sometimes
have to rus setserial 2 or three times before the serial port is
configured.  The external works great.

>I need to know of some success reports before I buy one - so a reply to
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] would be greatly appreciated!
>
>Thanks!
>
>-ashutosh
>
>LINUX ROCKS :)
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Junichi SAITO)
Subject: xosview dumps core
Date: 19 Feb 1999 20:23:18 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

When I invoke xosview (1.6.1), I get the following message and
xosview dumps core:

xosview: Symbol 'cerr' has different size in shared object,
consider re-linking

Running gdb on the generated core gives :

   (gdb) bt
   #0 0x805019c in _start ()
   #1 0x8061af0 in ?? ()
   #2 0x804f76d in _start ()
   #3 0x400ef282 in fstreambase type_info function ()

Could somebody explain why this happens ?

The system is a x86 linux with glibc 2.1, running 2.2.1.

I think glibc is properly installed: I recompiled the libraries
such as ncurses, slang and libstd++, following the instructions
given in glibc FAQ. I had glibc 2.0.7pre6 before.
               


-- 
junichi

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Disabling a hard drive?
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:20:40 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (walt moffett) wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:37:50 GMT,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I have a need to turn off the kernel's detection of one drive on a dual
> >IDE setup, i.e. hide the drive from Linux.  Can this be done and how?
>
> you'll prolly have to dig thru the kernel code patch and re make one.
>
> however, if the drive is not listed in /etc/fstab as a drive to mount,
> linux cannot read/write to it and only root will know its there.  This
> may solve yr problem or not.

I found the solution.  I needed to disable "/dev/hdb", so I added:
  append="hdb=noprobe"
to my "/etc/lilo.conf" file and then ran '/sbin/lilo'.  After rebooting
my drive activity light no longer stays on until the next reboot.

My "hdb" IDE drive crash many months ago and I put in a new drive as
primary.  Since the crash only affect one of the 'bin' subdirectories I
was able to do a fresh install on the new drive and copy over my personal
stuff from what is now '/dev/hdb'.  Having both hda and hdb in my system
worked OK till yesterday.  Error message started poping up on the screen
and the drive activity LED stay on even though the machine was idle.  I
thought the secondary drive had gone bad.  When I booted DOS/Win the drives
didn't exhibit these characteristics which led me to believe that the kernel
was accessing the drive.  It should be noted that hdb was *not* mounted, and
I don't know why the kernel was talking to the drive.  Anyway the "noprobe"
parameter fixed the problem.

--
Louis-ljl-{ Louis J. LaBash, Jr. }

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From: "J�rgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Detecting CD
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:40:07 -0800

Stuart Graham wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Does anyone know of a system call in Linux to detect whether a CD has
>been put in to the CDROM drive, or to detect the difference between CDs
>in the drive if they've not been mounted?

I guess you could look at the raw device in /dev (must be root of course).
If you get data, then there is a CD in the drive. If you get different data,
then the CD has changed.

Not sure how useful this approach would be.

jue
--
J�rgen Exner; microsoft.com, UID: jurgenex
Sorry for this anti-spam inconvenience





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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Byron A Jeff)
Subject: Re: Linux in embeded systems?
Date: 20 Feb 1999 08:31:31 -0500

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
The Arrow  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I don't know if this is the right newsgroup for this kind of question,
>please forgive me if it's not (and maybe point me right?).

This is a good a place as anywhere else....

>
>We are some people at my job that thinks about placing Linux in our control
>computers.  The systems may or may not have hard-disk (it's not decided
>yet), or some may have while others have not.  These systems also don't have
>much RAM (around 2 megs), but for this type of system they have quite much
>FLASH ROM (12 meg total).  The systems also have an ethernet interface and
>three serial ports (two RS-232 and one RS-422).
>For systems with HD, installing Linux is pretty straightforward, but on
>diskless systems installation may be a bit harder.

Not really. Linux is quite adept at running the entire system out of RAMDISK.

>
>The first question is:  Is it possible to use Linux in embeded systems like
>this (diskless with not much RAM)?

diskless, yes. Limited RAM is a real problem because the kernel must reside
in RAM as do running applications. Without a hard disk, you won't have any
swap, thus you're stuck with the RAM you have.

In can be done but it'll take a lot of work. First of all you need to take
a look at the work that slims and trims the linux kernel. It's called
linux-lite and can be found here:

http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/kernel/linux-lite-v1.00.tar.gz

Also the release notes are in the same directory. Essentially with this
kernel it's possible to boot/run Linux in 896k of RAM. So depending on your
system requirements you may be able to book just the Linux kernel and your
application, using the Flash as a ReadOnly filesystem....

>The second question is:  What are the minimum modules/drivers/etc. needed
>for such a system?

The drivers required to drive the devices you have. So you won't need disk
and floppy drivers for example. You'll probably want to get rid of all the
extra filesystem drivers in the kernel. Linux-lite is designed exactly to do
this...

Your toughest driver is the one for the Flash disk. If it has an IDE interface
then great! If not, you'll need a driver to both Load Linux from it and to
interface to the device...

Hope this works out.

BAJ
>
>Many thanks in advance!  :)
>
>NOTE:  This isn't a public request on the behalf of the company I work on,
>but rather from a few people who likes Linux and wants to work with it more.
>
>/ Joachim
>======================================================================
>The Arrow                   Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Joachim Pileborg              WWW: http://w1.410.telia.com/~u41003102/
>======================================================================
>"They say I don't give a shit about anything," -- Magnus Uggla
>"but I don't give a shit about that."        (translated from swedish)
>



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Kernel won't load my CD-ROM driver module
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 14:49:36 GMT

I have just installed slackware 3.6 and found too that kerneld had stop
working. I simply copied over the old kerneld from 3.5 and it worked again.

Apparently there is a bug in the newer kerneld in slackware 3.6, that causes
it to ask for the weirdest modules.

In article <7aalnv$lpe$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Rossi) wrote:

> I have been running a Linux system for a few years now where I configured
> my CD-ROM driver and the iso9660 support as modules.  This way they are
> automatically loaded when I mount a CD-ROM ... and unloaded when I
> unmount it.   It works great.
>
> Now I am trying to duplicate this setup on another system and it refuses
> to load the CD-ROM driver when I try to mount a CD-ROM.
>
> Yes, I have CONFIG_MODULES and CONFIG_KERNELD set when I built my Kernel.
> All of the necessary driver and isofs modules were specified and were created
> and installed.   depmod -a  is run at boot time and and kerneld is running.
> But when I try to mount a CD-ROM is it does not recognize the device.
>
> I finally tried running  kerneld  with the debug option and it reports :
>
>     can't locate module 660
>
> when I try to mount a CD-ROM.     What is module 660?
>
> Everything works fine if I manually load the driver and isofs modules
> using modprobe but I can't figure out why the automatic loading is giving
> me so much trouble.. when it works so nice on the other system.
>
> Also having the same problem when I try to mount MSDOS floppies.  The
> floppy driver and all of the MSDOS stuff were specified as modules, yet
> it refuses to load them.   Works great on the other system...
>
> The system that is giving me the problems is running 2.0.36 and
> modutils 2.1.121 -- basically Slackware 3.6
> The system that works is also 2.0.36 but with older Slackware - modutils
2.1.23

Ren� Seindal (http://www.seindal.dk/rene/)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Shaw  Carruthers)
Subject: Re: PPP/PAP problems - UK: Connection to Freeserve
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:05:50 GMT

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Willett LADS LDN X7563) wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Has anyone in the UK got Linux to access to Freeserve.
>
>I tried to get it to work. It fails at the pap authentication.
>I get the message "Authentication failure" from Freeserve.
>
>I've checked the debug messages and it appears I'm sending
>the correct username and password . I get [LCP AuthRej ... ]
>from the remote site. 
>
>Any give me any hints on debugging it - or does Freeserve
>specically not allow access from non -Windows OS's.
>
>Mike

Put

asyncmap 0x0

in your /etc/ppp/options and it should work just fine.

Remember to send your full userid user.freeserve.co.uk.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Hahn)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux Compatible modem?
Date: 20 Feb 1999 13:50:54 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:32:31 -0500, Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am using a Diamond SupraExpress 56K v.90 modem and it is working well
>for me.  There appear to be a couple modems with similar packaging which
>fit this name though.  I am using one which is ISA and the box claims a
>UART capable of 230kbps (I can't get better than 115kbps yet).
>
>I tried a Zoom (model 2919) and it worked but I didn't get connections
>of better than about 31000bps, so I traded it.  I have seen other
>reports of the Zoom working fine (my phone line I guess).
>
>Henry
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Could you tell me whether I can use either a Diamond Supra Express 56K v90
>> modem or a ZOOM DUalMode 56K modem with Linux?
>> 
>> I need to know of some success reports before I buy one - so a reply to
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] would be greatly appreciated!
>> 
I'm not sure this is true or not but there is a comment in the March
1999 issue of PC World that all PCI modems are controllerless modems
or winmodems.  The page number is 258.  Look in the middle column
towards the bottom.

If this is true, it sounds as if no internal PCI modem would work with
Linux.

I thought this was interesting.

-- 
Frank Hahn

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From: Bill Polhemus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:00:01 GMT

Matt O'Toole wrote:

> I like KDE a lot so far.  I think it's more elegant than Windows or PM,
> strictly in terms of user interface issues

I've just dl'ed the KDE RPMs, but haven't had a chance to install it yet. Your
endorsement (since it seems you have some experience with OS/2's PM) is very
intriguing.  I'll give KDE a try and let you know what I think.

> (I don't know anyhing about the
> underlying code, and I don't really care).

AH! A man after my own heart!!!

>  PM was fine, and had some really
> nice features, but other aspects were really clunky.

Well, the only real complaints I had could have easily been alleviated by
sprucing up the desktop a bit.  For example, I always thought they should have
had a MUCH easier way to create an program object or shadow without doing a
research project-level job.

>  Windows is probably better than PM for most users.

Well, I've used OS/2, Windows 3.x, Windows 95/98, Windows NT 3.51 & 4.0
(including the SP that "upgrades" to some Windows 98 features), AND
Macintosh...and I still liked OS/2's PM the best.  Definitely a subjective
thing.

> I still think the Mac has the best GUI of
> all, but it's running on a less sophisticated OS than Linux, or even
> Windows, so of course it can be more elegant.

Actually, I would think the underlying "sophistication" of the OS would enable
GREATER elegance (unless of course you are a programmer, and think anything
above a CLI is wasted effort).  Some of these troglodytes still exist--and one
may even respond to this bait!

> In this day and age, information architecture specialists and focus groups
> are what it takes.  After that, the programmers can get the job done.  But,
> good user interface design must come first.

AB-SO-LUTELY, my man.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Hahn)
Subject: Re: pop3d acting up?
Date: 20 Feb 1999 14:03:33 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On 20 Feb 1999 01:23:35 GMT, Stew Benedict <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Same problem here, but only on one box - definitely interested in a
>solution.
>
>Stew Benedict
>
>On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 22:12:33 GMT, Jasper Janssen 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I've been using my linux box as a email server, with sendmail, for a
>>little over a month now. There appears to be something very odd going
>>on with either sendmail or pop3d:
>>
>>When I try to login to pop3d, after USER & PASS, I get:
>>
>>-ERR being read already /usr/spool/mail/jasper
>>
>>After mv'ing to jasper2, I could read it out through pop3d,
>>originally, but when I try that now, it doesn't work.
>>
>>an rm of the spool file gets respite as long as there are no messages.
>>
>>I tried rebooting, even that didn't work.
>>
>>There are no extraneous processes that i can find on ps x.
>>
>>Could anyone suggest why it is doing this?
>>
I think if you would do a search of http://www.dejanews.com, you
would have found your problem.

The pop demon I think is creating a lock file which it then does not
delete.  The next time you go to check your mail, the lock file is
there and you can't check your mail.  The short term solution is to
delete the lock file and then try again.  Look in your /var/tmp/.pop
directory (this is on Slackware, may be different on other systems)
for the lock file.

The long term solution for most people is to replace the pop demon
with another.  The people who write Eudora wrote one called qpopper.
I know there are others.

-- 
Frank Hahn

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From: Bill Polhemus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:04:52 GMT

Paul Taylor wrote:

> I'm currently using fvwm95, AfterStep and enlightenment
> window managers, with and without Gnome; I haven't decided which
> combination I like best, but that doesn't make any difference to the
> applications I am
> running.

Is there ANY WAY for a rank novice to catch up on this jargon?  You have to
remember that you've got folks like me, coming from the other PC GUIs (where
you really didn't have a choice, you got the GUI you were stuck with--yeah, pun
intended).

For instance, up till just a few days ago, I thought X Windows was a GUI, then
discovered that, no, it is an "environment" on top of which you can run any of
several window managers/desktop environments, etc. So, then, you can use KDE or
GNOME or AfterStep (which I assume from the name, is a "NextStep" clone).  Now
you're saying "AfterStep" with and without Gnome...

To me, it's a mass of confusion.  Anyone got a website handy that explains this
sort of thing to us newbies?


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.internet
Subject: proxy server with IRC support?
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 14:33:55 GMT

Hi,
I'm new to Linux, so maybe I'm missing something, but I couldn't find any
information on proxy servers for Linux that can handle IRC protocol.
I definitely don't want to install Microsoft NT with its Proxy server that's
why is the question. Can anybody comment the situation?

Thanks in advance.
Michael

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From: Raymond Doetjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: password isql sybase linux?
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 15:20:16 +0100

I have sybase installed and configured.

Now I want to make users and some databases. But I don't know what the
dba username and password is when sybase has been installed.

I can't find it in the whole range of documents either.


Raymond

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From: Raymond Doetjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Suse 5.2 and glibc2
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:01:18 +0100

Well that is not really your fold unless you haven't configures
ld.so.config and ran ldconfig. Wich you probably did since SO5 is
running.

This is more a SuSE and RH kinda thing. RH uses other paths than SuSE,
sicne RH is the M$ under the Linux distributions (no offense), most
people use it and adopt certain paths so the RH paths are the facto
standard. SusE uses other paths for most things. I asked them why, but
they never gave me a clear answer except this is needer and more
logical. Wich is some cases is.
 
There is not really a good solution, except for making it look like a RH
system. I still have those problems with SusE 6.0 that is completly
glibc2. 

That's why I use sources instead of rpm's.

Raymond

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles H. Chapman)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Space Station uses 95/NT, disaster imminent (no joke)
Date: 20 Feb 1999 14:44:11 GMT

On 20 Feb 1999 02:13:39 GMT, Robert B. Love <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Charles H. Chapman wrote:
>> >
>> >Where "on earth" did you get the idea the PCs were running NT.  The 
>> >ISS will have many 486 computers in a 3 tier heirarchy.  I don't know
>> >what OS they run but I'm pretty sure it ain't NT.
>> 
>> You should check your facts before making such rash statements.  He got
>> the idea straight from NASA (well, via CNN):
>
>Sport, I work with flight software at JSC.  I do have my facts
>correct about station operations.

Hmmm...first you say you "don't know what OS they run but I'm pretty
sure it ain't NT" and now you work with flight software at JSC?  How could
you work with flight software at JSC AND not be -positive- about what
they're using for an OS?

>Here is a quote from the article
>you gave the URL for:
> 
>=>Two separate ThinkPad 760s, running the Solaris version of Unix,
>=>will let the crew run the station.

Further quote from the article:

To that end, the U.S. portion of the space station's LAN will be
equipped with four IBM ThinkPad 760 laptops: three clients running 
Windows 95 and one NT server. 

>The NT stuff is non-critical office stuff.  The station flight computers
>are UNIX.  So are the laptops the crew use to run the station.

Nobody said the mission critical stuff was NT but to say there were
no NT/95 PC's on the station as your original statement implied
contradicts the interview with Neil Woodbury, who is overseeing the
development of the LAN on the ISS.

Chuck

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From: Robert Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Maxtor 13.6GB Ultra DMA Hard Drive
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:39:49 GMT

Hi,

Currently, CompUSA has a US$30 rebate for the above drive and the price 
after 
the rebate is US$199. This sounds like a good bargain. I am thinking to 
purchase one and use it as the main hard drive for my web server under 
Linux. 
Is it a good idea to use this Maxtor 13.6GB Ultra DMA hard drive as the main 
hard drive for a web server under Linux?

Thanks.

--
Robert Young,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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From: Raymond Doetjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux & VPN
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:06:24 +0100

You can do ip to ip tunneling with the 2.2.x kernels.

Raymond

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Looking at options for building a VPN.  With MS I can use NT, Proxy
> Server and PPTP.  What options do I have if I go the Linux route.
> 
> TIA
> 
> steve

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From: Patrick Lanphier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PPP seems slow
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:07:52 -0500

I would bet that you have an irq conflict remember irq 1 and 3, 2 and 4 are shared.

Patrick Lanphier
Advanced Information Technologies
The Pennsylvania State University

Michiel Roos wrote:
> 
> >What's wrong?
> >
> What about your serial speed?
> Is it set to high? (setserial /dev/cu? spd_hi)
> are you using the correct irq?
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Michiel

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