Linux-Misc Digest #116, Volume #19 Sat, 20 Feb 99 19:13:16 EST
Contents:
Re: Where did my memory go? (David Steuber)
Re: Cannon BJC-620 printer (John Garrison)
Re: Porting Xenix to Linux (Lew Pitcher)
Re: "noexec" ignored when mounting cdrom (Brian McCauley)
SCSI CD-ROM (Pavel Greenfield)
Re: Task - detach and let it run in the background (William Burrow)
Re: RPM and location of files (Jason Clifford)
Re: New to Linux ("���������� �����")
Possible problems with kernel 2.2.1 (Sam Vere)
Subject: Does Gnome add user gdm? (No One)
Re: MS IIS Vs Apache (Yan Seiner)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (John S. Dyson)
Re: IBM adds Linux (sean mc cann)
Re: ...a Linux RedHat Technician/Superuser ? (Anders Lindb�ck)
Re: Help with X related concepts. (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Help with X related concepts. (Matthias Warkus)
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From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Where did my memory go?
Date: 13 Feb 1999 21:46:12 -0500
cat /proc/meminfo might do what you ask.
--
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http://www.david-steuber.com
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When will Altoids be available in 'extra strength'?
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From: John Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cannon BJC-620 printer
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:57:21 GMT
I have the same printer and mine prints. I don't know if it will
print in 720x720 dpi or not though. If you look at the top they
proudly display the "Designed for Windows 95" logo. Which basically
means the printer can become dependant upon software. Funny how MS
and Cannon call that a feature. If software dependancy was a feature
then that would make 3-d acclerator cards and video memory and such a
bad thing. I guess it's just another case of MS ignorance. Either that
or just blatant monopolistic tactics.
How about it Bill? Are you a tyrannical dictator or just a dumbass?
Eric Kappotis wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm using a Cannon BJC-620 printer. Under linux there are no drivers
> that support my printer so i am unable to use the 720x720 dpi
> capability. Do i have any options so i can enable all the features of
> my printer? I already E-mailed cannon and they said the didn't offer
> support for use with linux.
>
> Thanks for your time,
> Eric K.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lew Pitcher)
Subject: Re: Porting Xenix to Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:53:32 GMT
On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 15:07:33 -0500, Skip Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have a program which runs on SCO Xenix. I want to port it to
>Linux. I have the original installation diskettes for the software.
>I'd like to try installing in Linux. Any suggestions?
>
If you install the iBCS package in Linux, you may be able to run your application
natively.
Lew Pitcher
System Consultant, Integration Solutions Architecture
Toronto Dominion Bank
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
(Opinions expressed are my own, not my employer's.)
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From: Brian McCauley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "noexec" ignored when mounting cdrom
Date: 19 Feb 1999 18:48:39 +0000
Andreas Schneider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Since I've upgrade my kernel to 2.2 I can't mount my cdrom drive with
> the noexec option anymore. The CD still gets mounted, except it's all
> mode 555 (i.e. executable).
> When I use my old kernel v2.0.36 it works as it should (i.e. mode 444
> for all ordinary files with a "." in the name and mode 555 for all
> directories and files without dot).
I've not used 2.2 kernels yet but here goes...
The "noexec" flag does not effect the permissions returned by stat(),
it effects whther or not the kernel will actually try to execute
programs.
The "mode" option effects what stst() returns.
I suspect that the default "mode" has changed.
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From: Pavel Greenfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: SCSI CD-ROM
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:05:39 -0500
Hi,
I've asked something like this before and got great answers but now the
problem has changed a bit.
I'm fine-tuning my kernel and now it stopped recognizing my SCSI CDROM
and I can't for my life figure out why. It recognizes my SCSI card and
the two harddrives that are on it, but not the CDROM.
I definitely have the following things enabled:
1. SCSI Support
2. SCSI Support for my card (this part obviously works)
3. SCSI CDROM
What else should I try enabling. (The kernel I'm tweeking with is
2.0.35)
Thanks!
Pavel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Subject: Re: Task - detach and let it run in the background
Date: 7 Feb 1999 17:30:25 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 06 Feb 1999 16:06:04 +1100,
Clement <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Running a time consuming task can be boring, so do you if there is a way
>to
>
>- start the task
>- enter the parameters interactively
>- detach the task from the running terminal and
>- let it run in the background
>- logoff and close the telnet session
>- telnet to the linux again
>- attach to that task and read the output that the task has sent to the
>stdout
>
>Can you help?
I don't know if there is a way to recover stdout in that case or not.
However, in future, what you should do is redirect the output to a file.
eg.
task params > task.output &
To view the output at anytime whatsoever, simply do:
tail -f task.output
Easy.
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RPM and location of files
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:21:36 +0000
On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, Robert Crosbee wrote:
> When you intall an rpm package, how do you know where the files go? Im
> running kde on rh 5.2 and ive installed several rpm packages such as the
> kdeutils and kdegames but i cannot locate then anywhere on the disk.
If you run
rpm -ql packagename | more (where package name is kdeutils for eg)
you will get a listing of all the files installed and where they are.
Usually KDE will be installed into /opt/kde
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: "���������� �����" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.redhat,at.linux,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: New to Linux
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 01:29:29 +0200
Please note that OS/2 operating system has the best BOOT MANAGER program. I
use this to actually boot DOS/WIN95, RED HAT Linux or OS/2 Warp. All these
operating systems co-exist very happily and switch betwwen them easily...
Fotios :-)
>
>The answer, Linda, is that the two operating systems can coexist and dual
>boot. There are a number of ways to this, including using LILO and
loadlin.
>
>Which to use depends on what your primary OS will be. If you want Linux as
>your primary OS, use LILO because it will boot Linux quicker than loadlin,
>which requires that you first boot to a DOS prompt.
>
>OTOH, if Windows will be the OS you use the most, use loadlin. With
loadlin,
>you can setup a shortcut on the Windows desktop that will reboot into
"MS-DOS
>mode" and run loadlin from a batch file. In fact, this what the Red Hat
>distribution uses to start installation on a Windows machine.
>
>LILO is probably a little harder to config than loadlin if you are more
>familiar with DOS/Windows than with Unix, but not much.
>
>There is another choice, as well. You can use bootlin or loadlin in the
>config.sys and setup a DOS 6.2x-style multiple configuration boot. Because
>multiconfig sometimes presents problems for certain DOS-based installation
>programs, however, I wouldn't necessarily recommend this setup.
>
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sam Vere)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Possible problems with kernel 2.2.1
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 23:20:43 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Okay, two things here:
Firstly, the kernel sound support for the Ensoniq AudioPci appears not
to work for .au files. Any ideas?
Second, when trying to use the printer I get a 'lpq waiting to print.
Printer offline?' message. Am I missing something here?
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From: No One <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Subject: Does Gnome add user gdm?
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:16:43 -0800
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
I just installed gnome and discovered that
I have a new uid and gid named gdm, as
well as a new directory /var/gdm.
Is the appearence of user gdm actually
connected with the installation of gnome
or do I have an intruder?
Thanks for any information which anyone
can provide about gdm.
Shelby ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Yan Seiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS IIS Vs Apache
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 17:00:54 -0500
The cool thing about apache are the modules. Each is very well documented, and
each adds a modular functionality. The basic system is easy to set up (I was
assuming little to no security as this was an intranet) but the full blown
system can be a bear, as it is almost infinately scalable.
Yan
dmalcolm wrote:
> I am not super familiar with Apache but you might take a look at their
> website
>
> http://www.apache.org/
>
> I have set up Apache on a Slackware 3.6 Linux 2.036 box (I also upgraded to
> the 2.2.1 kernel).
> Apache seems easy to use once you figure out all the places to put config
> files. As mentioned
> in one of the other replies, there are only a couple of basic config files,
> but if you need security you will
> have to dig into the docs a bit. For instance you have to tell Apache via a
> new config file that I called 'users'
> who can log in. Mine is in '/var/lib/apache'. Then go to the subdirectory
> (apache protects by subdirectory)
> you wish to protect and create a file called '.htaccess'
> '.htaccess' has the following format:
> --------------------------------------------
> AuthName rsadf
> AuthType Basic
> AuthUserFile /var/lib/apache/users
>
> require user user1 user2 user3
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> The file 'users' has the following format:
> ---------------------------------------
> user1
> user2
> user3
> ----------------------------------------
> I'm not completely sure about the users file format. The users file can be
> anywhere and named anything as long as its pointedd
> to by the 'AuthUserFile' line in '.htaccess'. My only '.htaccess' file is
> in /var/lib/apache/share/htdocs/rsadf.
> Apache addes the passwords to the 'users' file using a utility called
> htpasswd. 'htpasswd' is located in my /var/lib/apache/bin directory.
>
> Note that Apache as it comes does not support SSL. You can however manage
> some security as I've described. If you need SSL there is a version
> available for one or two hundred and I think the Apache Website has a link
> to it.
>
> Hope this helps.
> Dan Malcolm
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> cufc wrote:
>
> > Hi, I have been tasked at work to provide a Webserver (Hardware and
> > software)
> > for our corporate intranet, I am an NT/Novell admin by trade but am
> > getting more
> > and more interested in Linux ( I hve been using it for about 12 months)
> > This is maybe a chance to introduce linux into my working environment
> > My question is, although I have been using linux for a while, I have
> > never looked at
> > apache webserver, Can anyone give me any insight into its ease of use
> > and administration
> > The intranet will start off simple at first, but will require setting up
> > departmental security
> > individual homepages/ability to check e-mail via Exchange server/user
> > feedback pages etc
> > etc, my boss will expect an NT server with IIS, but If I can get away
> > with a linux system
> > I intend to install Redhat 5.2 and Apache, anyone got much experience of
> > setting up
> > such a combination and what does it perform like
> >
> > Just looking for some simple opinions on what u think I should do
> > I am quite Familiar with NT Server/IIS combination but as i said before
> > it may be a good chance to promote linux where I work
> >
> > Any help or advice would be much appreciated
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Adrain
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 20 Feb 1999 22:03:44 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 20 Feb 1999, John S. Dyson wrote:
>
>> You are *so* extremely dependent on other peoples work, and you don't
>> realize that whatever support that you provide is miniscule compared
>> to the 100's if not 1000's of developers producing code that you
>> are redistributing.
>
> Once again your presumptions are the result of ignorance. To the,
> literally, thousands of people to whom I have supplied Linux over the past
> 2 years the service I have provided (and the service provided by others
> like me) has been crucial to their being able to obtain and try both Linux
> and FreeBSD. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have access to high
> bandwidth cheap Internet access.
>
So, you have provided CDROMs that cost << $2 apiece to produce
in volume? I also don't have high-bandwidth Internet access at home
(where I do most of my work from.) In fact, I had uucp while doing
alot of my FreeBSD work. That was quite expensive to me. In the last
few years, I have had cheaper internet access, but so what? I don't
have to be online to work, and I dealt with the cost of downloads...
>
>> Any allusions or comments about parasites aren't
>> really solved by using GPL, it is more the CDROM pressers, "support"
>> whatever that means, and merchandisers that make money when using
>> GPL. It is only a side effect that the inventive get any piece of the
>> GPL pie.
>
> You are the one who started throwing the term parasite at people like me.
>
Nope, in the past, the GPLers had started it, in the sense of people
who develop code and might license their derived works differently than
GPL. I sure wish you have seen $$$ qotes from some of the other support
companies, it might make you ill (or elated) depending... Maybe they
(the customers) are smarter in UK, than in the Bay area, and that would
be a tribute to the UK'ers.
>
> If you don't know what support mean I suggest you go and speak to someone
> new to a system such as Linux or FreeBSD or to any company that needs
> backup in implementing such a system.
>
So, you (by "supporting" software) are leveraging the efforts of those
who have given their work away for free. The kind of "free" determines
how the developer (him|her)self can profit. The GPL excludes amortizing
cost of development from the money pipeline (unless there is some
gross overcharging going on somewhere, like for support fees.) GPLed
code is structured for people like you to make money. There has been
lots of good money made on free and GPLed works.
>
> Fine let's implement that right now then. Would each person who has
> contributed to Linux please send me money now such as to be sufficient to
> make up the loss of over $50,000 that I have had from selling Linux and
> FreeBSD software.
>
You aren't Red Hat, then, are you? So, you are in a money loosing
venture, please look at WC CDROM also, they seem to be making lots
of money selling all kinds of copies of software... Geesh, the GPL
works are set-up for your exploitation, and you cannot make money?
They provide support (both RH and WC.) Last I heard, WC's support
was still fairly simple, but enough to get things rolling (I could
be wrong on that though, my info is out-of-date.) Cygnus has been
making money almost purely on "support" (actually access), haven't
they?
>
>> Rather than contributing to the FSF or Linux, hows about contributing to
>> their contributors? Then, you would be supporting the development effort
>> more effectively... The notion of a royalty system does seem fair,
>> doesn't it -- esp considering all of the profit you are making from
>> others (who don't have the big-name billing.)
>
> I make no profit whatsover from other people's work. In fact I subsidise
> the distribution of free and Open Source software within the UK through
> the provision of consultancy and support.
>
You are making a sort-of investment in your reputation and marketing
skills -- however, you are also (by using GPLed works) using software
that doesn't directly support the notion that software development
is a capital investment. You are supporting GPLed software
that condemns future works also to be divulged. This discourages
the notion of programming, design, innovation for investment
on the part of the people who originated derived works.
Your marketing and support reputation is yours, while the efforts
of others are being leveraged as fuel for your support.
>
> Don't make assumptions as to other people's business practices when you
> know nothing about them - you are not qualified to do so.
>
I guess that you are an example of a company that isn't making money,
and that happens also. If your business practices don't include
supporting free and GPLed works, I guess I was wrong.
I am parroting GPL'ites kind of language, in implying parasitism...
It is really cool that some people can make money from free and GPLed
works. The issue here is that the you apparently make money in
support and reputation, right? So you have skills in those areas,
right? Programmers have skills in the programming area, and
should also be able to accumulate capital in the sense of ideas,
concepts, programming AND programs. GPL kind of forces giving a big
part of that away for derived works.
>> > No license is perfect. There are serious problems with the BSD license
>> > for many poeple. The choice of license is directly related to the controls
>> > the author wishes to put in place and the rights (s)he wishes to assign to
>> > the users of that product.
>> >
>> So, bring in the BSD license, which I also agree isn't perfect... However,
>> the BSD legacy helps support the "developers" of code, while GPL mostly
>> helps the merchants (feed their families.) In some cases, a developer
>> might be a merchant, but there is often a shell game in that support fees
>> are being fed to development... Can you say "inflated"?
>
> Can you say "ignorant assumption"? The developers of the code that is
> released under GPL have chosen that license for the code as is their
> right. It is not my place OR YOURS to seek to deny them that right.
>
I don't want to deny their right, however informing people as to the
limitations of license(s) is a service. It is the responsibility of
others to "think" and evaulate the various positions. Note that there
have been very few facts refuting my position on GPL, and the effects
that it has. In your experience, it seems that you might be having
problems making money, and for that I feel bad. (Making money is great,
because it is used to feed families, and other good things.) However,
when making your money (which you probably eventually will), remember
and be sensitive to those who are producing the code. In fact, note that
some of 'em just might not have known the ramifications of the license
that they chose.
>
> Tell me exactly how a developer who releases under BSD style licenses
> profits from other people's use of their work.
>
I will, but the following statement is obviously true,... or is it?
It is orthogonal to the notion that GPL is good for developers. Why
do you think that I am touting the BSD license? Geesh, even I say for
people to review licenses carefully, and get qualified legal opinions.
It is most important for those who WRITE software, not exploit it.
(Again, I believe that exploiting software is a *good* thing, because
there is no loss in the exploitation. However, licenses must be
adhered to.)
>
> You cannot because it does
> not so stop making false statements on this front and while you are at it
> stop slandering those who spend a great deal of time and effort making
> this software more easily available.
>
Well, if those who start the GPL viral replication process would recognise
that GPL is both a very selfish license, and not amenable to profiting
from new and original, but derived development (in essense, such works
are not free), the notion of "free" that the GPL'ites have exploited
until now would have been quashed sooner. The BSD license supports
both free and proprietary development, and there are mechanisms that
support feeding software back into the free realm. The GPL forces
such feeding back, and thereby removes the freedom that those who
create have (given the deal with the devil has been made.)
Since, the GPL'ites have worn out the use of the word "free", by
misusing it, some of them are now trying other words to deflect
the issue. Also, I guess the term "free" isn't as important given
the commercial involvement now. Commercial involvement with the
expansion of the quality of the free software bases will continue,
and most of the GPL development will continue to be free labor,
shell game support fees, and distribution of almost duplicate
copies of such labor.
GPLed works will mostly be *exploited* by commercial ventures, but
when innovation is needed, that codebase will not very often be
used (by those with a direct $$$ motive based upon innovation.)
(Again, I like exploitation -- it is mostly a zero loss and
all gain issue.)
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From: sean mc cann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IBM adds Linux
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 23:37:31 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The really interesting thing is that IBM are to support several
different distrabutions of linux. This is an interesting choice.
Personally I thing this is for the best and IBM don't want to swap one
vendor lock for another. The impression you get from some of the PC
press is that their are only Red Hat and Calderra distrabutions.
They are both excellent distrabutions but so are SuSE, Debian, Slackware
and many others.
I wonder what Redmonds reaction to this will be. They'll probably site
this devolpment in the anti trust case as an example of competition:)
If anyone has the financial clout to to take on Redmond its IBM.
Although they might see it as a way of leveraging their extensive Unix
knowledge into the PC market. If IBM can input some of AIXs scaleabilty
into Linux then we'd be on the pigs back. What does anybody else think.
Sean.
Ronald Hands wrote:
>
> Interesting story in many newspapers this week, reporting that IBM has
> decided to begin adding Linux to its Netfinity servers -- the ones that
> already come configured with NT.
> *That* should stir things up.
> The story's available on www.nytimes.com (search using Linux on previous
> issues; I think the story actually appeared Thursday).
>
> -- Ron
>
> --
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anders Lindb�ck)
Subject: Re: ...a Linux RedHat Technician/Superuser ?
Date: 19 Feb 1999 20:19:06 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In comp.os.linux.misc, Jonah99 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skriver:
>If there's any above average Linux SUPERUSER or technician out
>there that can give me a hand/hints on proper reading/learning material
>I would appreciate it very much.
The HOWTO docuements are the way to go.
Then man -k <keyword> and finally source diving as the last resort.
LDP can also help you, as well as any generic UNIX books.
Anders
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Help with X related concepts.
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:56:19 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sat, 20 Feb 1999 05:48:23 GMT...
..and Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >[schnibble]
> >> Okay, that's all clearer now. So, in the future, apps developed can
> >> either be programmed for X in general, or for GNOME?
> >
> >They can be so programmed as to use the Gnome API. They will run under
> >plain X nevertheless, if the libraries are installed.
> >
> >Hell, I think I've got to do a screenshot for the unshaved masses - a
> >screenshot to demonstrate what this is all about. Probably I will run
> >a panel, a kpanel, a KDE app and a Gnome app all on the same screen
> >and do a screenshot just for you to see that it's possible.
>
> I don't think it's quite that simple.
>
> If an application is programmed "for GTK," it starts getting less clear
> whether that is:
>
> - GTK, the library, or
> - GTK, the GNOME-oriented library.
The Gnome libraries are called libgnome and libgnomeui, respectively.
When I say "a GTK+ application", I mean an application that uses GTK+.
When I say "a Gnome application", I mean an application that uses GTK+
as well as libgnome and libgnomeui.
> There are apps out there that are "just for GTK," as well as others that
> are "just for Qt," that have no association with the respective desktop
> environment projects.
>
> >[schnibble]
> >> Okay, finally, that makes sense. So is it possible to run both a GTK and
> >> a WM theme at the same time? I guess the WM theme would only apply to
> >> apps that are not GTK-aware.
> >
> >It would only apply to the WM itself.
>
> That's a *bit* confusing, because while it only applies to the WM, the
> WM controls the borders of the application, which means that it
> *appears* to touch the application...
Yup, but if one can't figure what belongs to the WM and what belongs
to the app, you've either got some really well-integrated themes or
you shouldn't be using X first place :)
mawa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Help with X related concepts.
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:18:32 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:21:04 -0600...
..and Greg Thorne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[KDE]
> I can't imagine that. Who would want all those apps glued into their WM?
> That's kinda like integrating the browser with the OS. What a stupid
> idea. I hope that the majority of KDE zealots aren't like that.
You're wrong. You're wrong. The apps aren't glued into the WM. You
need to understand this - they just use a common set of libraries.
They are just like all the other applications, but they share the same
look and feel.
[schnibble]
> Okay, that's all clearer now. So, in the future, apps developed can
> either be programmed for X in general, or for GNOME?
They can be so programmed as to use the Gnome API. They will run under
plain X nevertheless, if the libraries are installed.
Hell, I think I've got to do a screenshot for the unshaved masses - a
screenshot to demonstrate what this is all about. Probably I will run
a panel, a kpanel, a KDE app and a Gnome app all on the same screen
and do a screenshot just for you to see that it's possible.
[schnibble]
> Okay, finally, that makes sense. So is it possible to run both a GTK and
> a WM theme at the same time? I guess the WM theme would only apply to
> apps that are not GTK-aware.
It would only apply to the WM itself.
[schnibble]
> One other thing: I'm one to jump in head first. When I start using
> WindowMaker, I also want to develop some apps. Is there a definitive
> guide on developing apps for X (web page, book, etc)?
Your best bet is O'Reilly and Associates <URL: http://www.ora.com>.
> Will this type of
> programming apply to "dock apps," as well?
The Window Maker site will tell you how to do that (hopefully).
> I've heard that a lot of
> people use TCL/TK, what's this like?
Tcl/Tk is really great. It's a shell that can draw widgets, basically.
Its concept is simple, interpretation is slow, but it's very clean and
easy.
#!/usr/X11R6/bin/wish
button .button -text "Push me!" -command "puts \" hello, world \""
pack .button
This three-line script will display a button that echos "hello, world"
to the terminal when pushed.
mawa
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