Linux-Misc Digest #133, Volume #19 Sun, 21 Feb 99 23:13:14 EST
Contents:
Re: More bad news for NT ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul E Larson))
Redhat 5.2 & PPP ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: SCSI setup (Pavel Greenfield)
Re: Web based Telnet client? (Enkidu)
Re: Web access to email needed, Re: HTML and/or Java email client for LInux???
(William Burrow)
Q: groff install (newbie) (milan andric)
Re: help serial devices (Bill Unruh)
Re: glibc vs. libc (Gary Momarison)
Linux book (Ali Fath El Alem)
Problems while installing HP-Deskjet 720C (Thomas B�scher)
Re: floating point accuracy on Linux? (Georg Schwarz)
Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused (John Hasler)
Re: Chat Program (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Advanced RAM usage question... (Michael Powe)
Re: Linux Graphing Packages on Redhat (Brian Moore)
SCSI and Sound (Pavel Greenfield)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Alexander Viro)
Re: linux in PC Computing, PC World ? (sean mc cann)
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Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
From: whistler<blahblah>@twcny.rr.com (Paul E Larson)
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 01:44:37 GMT
In article <7aq1cc$phb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bloody Viking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>: Avoid all NT related products as they are all incredibly inefficient by
>: design. I could put man on Jupitar with the amount of hardware required to
>: get my NT boxes to perform to a satisfactory standard. As for MS SQL 7 you
>: either are on the payroll of MS or simply do not understand operating
>: systems.
>
>Sheesh. You must have a regular HAL 9000 to have hardware enough to send a
>man to Jupiter. Why waste all that computing power on NT?
>
You miss read him, he said - "I could put man on Jupitar". Jupitar isn't that
a small island near the Isle of Wright?
Paul
Get rid of the blahs to email me :}
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 10:59:35 +1300
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Redhat 5.2 & PPP
I have had to re-install RH 5.2 and am having trouble getting PPP to
work.
When I dial up, we connect OK, then nothing, no send or receive data,
then
the connection fails. My ISP is IBM, who have a Linux PPP Set-up page
on their help desk, but this is useless for me because it refers to
files which
don't exist on my system (i.e. /usr/bin/ppp-on) and then they say "If
you are
using RedHat 5.0 consult the many Linux help resources on the Internet",
which is what I am doing.
When I set up the PPP interface, it generates the following chat-ppp0
file
in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts :-
'ABORT' 'BUSY'
'ABORT' 'ERROR'
'ABORT' 'NO CARRIER'
'ABORT' 'NO DIALTONE'
'ABORT' 'Invalid Login'
'ABORT' 'Login incorrect'
'' 'ATZ'
'OK' 'ATDTxxxxxxx' (the relevant phone no.)
'CONNECT' ''
'ogin:' 'xxxx.xxxx' (my login)
'ord:' 'xxxxxxxxx' (my password)
'TIMEOUT' '5'
'~--' ''
If I try to connect as is, nothing at all happens, but I found out a
while
ago that IBM doesn't like '' at the end of lines. If I remove them it
dials
OK and connects, but that's it, nothing else, zip, nada!
Any ideas amigos?
All gratefully received :-/
Peter Rodriguez
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From: Pavel Greenfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: SCSI setup
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:36:59 -0500
Could this be why my CD-ROM wouldn't work when the scanner was on?
Also, it's surprising to me that the system can sense the external SCSI cable
even though the scanner is off...
What is the real termination? My scanner is properly terminated (I mean it's got
that terminator thingy in the right place) but what good does it do if the
scanner off?
Thanks!
Pavel
brian moore wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:28:57 -0500,
> Pavel Greenfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I haven't read the SCSI howto. What does the following (output of dmeg)
> > mean?
> > (I have aha2940UW, 2 scsi drives, toshiba scsi CD-ROM, and a Nikon
> > scanner).
> > What is setup incorrectly and what should I change?
> >
> > (scsi0) <Adaptec AHA-294X Ultra SCSI host adapter> found at PCI 11/0
> > (scsi0) Wide Channel, SCSI ID=6, 16/255 SCBs
> > (scsi0) Warning - detected auto-termination
> > (scsi0) Please verify driver detected settings are correct.
> > (scsi0) If not, then please properly set the device termination
> > (scsi0) in the Adaptec SCSI BIOS by hitting CTRL-A when prompted
> > (scsi0) during machine bootup.
>
> Do just that. When your machine boots, you'll see it loading the SCSI
> BIOS. At that point in the process hit a control A and you'll go into
> the SCSI setup. Tell it the real termination.
>
> Or don't. (Mine happened to guess right and I'm too lazy to change
> it... besides, that system doesn't have a monitor. :))
>
> > (scsi0) Cables present (Int-50 YES, Int-68 YES, Ext-68 YES)
> > (scsi0) Illegal cable configuration!! Only two
> > (scsi0) connectors on the SCSI controller may be in use at a time!
>
> That's a limit of that model of Adaptec. There are three connectors,
> but you're only allowed to use two of the three. With the proper
> cabling (daisy-chaining the internal drives and ending the chain with
> the external connecter) you can yank the external connector cable from
> your board and life will be peachy.
>
> SCSI is great and I won't buy a system without it. It's also weird as
> hell despite the intentions to make it a standard.
>
> > (scsi0) Downloading sequencer code... 419 instructions downloaded
> > scsi0 : Adaptec AHA274x/284x/294x (EISA/VLB/PCI-Fast SCSI) 5.1.4/3.2.4
> > <Adaptec AHA-294X Ultra SCSI host adapter>
> > scsi : 1 host.
> > Vendor: SEAGATE Model: ST32155W Rev: 0362
> > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> > Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
> > Vendor: SEAGATE Model: ST34371W Rev: 0360
> > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> > Detected scsi disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0
> > Vendor: TOSHIBA Model: CD-ROM XM-5401TA Rev: 3605
> > Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> > Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 5, lun 0
> > scsi : detected 1 SCSI cdrom 2 SCSI disks total.
> > (scsi0:0:0:0) Synchronous at 20.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 8.
> > SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 4197405 [2049 MB] [2.0
> > GB]
> > (scsi0:0:1:0) Synchronous at 20.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 8.
> > SCSI device sdb: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 8496960 [4148 MB] [4.1
> > GB]
>
> That's a handy-dandy list of what it saw.
>
> Just make sure it's right is all. (Note it's missing your scanner,
> since it can't do all three cables as mentioned above.)
>
> --
> Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
> Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
> Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
> Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Enkidu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Web based Telnet client?
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 11:23:08 +1300
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Matthias Warkus wrote:
>
> There is a MUD Web site somewhere which includes a Java telnet
> client to play MUDs right off the site. Perhaps you can find that
> client somehow.
>
Penguins.
It had penguins on it!
Yeah, I've been there!
Cliff
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Web access to email needed, Re: HTML and/or Java email client for LInux???
Date: 22 Feb 1999 01:53:25 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 18 Feb 1999 18:25:08 GMT,
Cameron Spitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>Hi, is there some sort of email client that I can use in a web browser?
>>>I know its not ideal, but I am looking for a VERY lightweight client.
>>>
>>>Basically I want to see something kinda like HotMail.
>
>I'm looking for the same application. Some of my users travel a lot,
>and need to access their mail from coin-op Web browsers at airports,
>shopping malls, friends' houses, public libraries, the lobby at 3Com
>corporate headquarters, and Kinkos stores. Public Web access facilities
This kind of facility is provided by:
http://www.readmail.com
You might not like revealing usernames and passwords to such a service,
though.
Obviously, you could implement some similar service on your own web
server, perhaps adding a secure link for better privacy. (I think
that browsers don't store secure pages on disk, would need to recheck
on that.)
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
~ ()>()
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From: milan andric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Q: groff install (newbie)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 02:52:21 -0600
Reply-To: milan andric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
i've recently installed slackware 2.0.30 on another machine of mine, but
i think i might have goofed on the install. the reason being, that
when i try to look at man pages it gives me an error that groff
and gtbl could not be found. so i copied the binaries over from
another slackware machine i have running. but then it gave me
a can't load library libstdc++.so.2.8 error.. so i copied over the
library, of course this didn't work either... so tried to build it.
from what i know about unix, i didn't think that it needed runtime
libraries. like msft dll's.. but i'm probably missing something in the big
picture here.
basically my question is whether i should try to install groff
again. i couldn't get it working and i'm sick of reading docs and
it seems a bit complicated. the groff1.11 build went smoothly
but even afterwards i get the same errors using man.
either there is something simple that i'm missing or
i should just reinstall with the groff package that i
ignorantly left out. is there a possible quick fix?
-milan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: help serial devices
Date: 20 Feb 1999 22:07:09 GMT
In <7alguk$qnf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Anthony R. Pitts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Hello people I have just installled RedHat Linux 5.2 on my Cyrix 6x86 233
>problem. I can't use my mouse which is a microsoft compatible [serial] and
>I installed it to the correct port com1 under dos but to no avail. It loads
Use the program mouse-test which comes with redhat to try to figure out
which mouse device etc you should be using.
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From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: glibc vs. libc
Date: 21 Feb 1999 18:07:21 -0800
"John Magnus Steffensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Beeing a newbie and about to update kernel and X and other stuff I don't
> know what glibc and libc is. I've discovered it's kind of smart knowing wich
> is used by the system (RedHat 5.1 by the way). But HOW do I find out ???
>
> Is there any advantages / disadvantages of the two ??
Do "locate libc.so.6" (glibc) and "locate libc.so.5" (libc5).
You've got glibc and probably libc5 there on RH 5.1.
There's a glibc HOWTO and an info page listed in
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/sw-devel.html
http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/languages.html
that probably compares them.
--
Look for Linux info at http://www.dejanews.com/home_ps.shtml and in
Gary's Encyclopedia at http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/index.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ali Fath El Alem)
Subject: Linux book
Date: 22 Feb 1999 01:52:29 GMT
Hi ALL!
I am looking for some comperhensive but easy-to-read Linux text book..
Any recommendations! Thanks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas B�scher)
Subject: Problems while installing HP-Deskjet 720C
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 23:21:20 +0100
I've bought today a new printer ....and now...
Is there anyone out there, who has experience in installing a
Deskjetprinter with SuSE-Linux 5.3?
Many greetings
Thomas B�scher
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Georg Schwarz)
Subject: Re: floating point accuracy on Linux?
Date: 16 Feb 1999 08:54:18 GMT
Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>you need to be more careful in applying algorithms and interpreting
>the results. in particular, using expressions like a == b with
>floating point numbers is almost always the wrong thing. use epsilons
>such as fabs(a-b) < eps. be aware of precision losing calculations.
I fully agree to that. However, this aside, for testing sake it would be
desirable to be able to make Linux use the same precision as other
architectures and OSes (e.g. FreeBSD). Is there a way to do so?
--
Georg Schwarz ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP 2.6ui)
Institut f�r Theoretische Physik +49 30 314-24254 FAX -21130 IRC kuroi
Technische Universit�t Berlin http://home.pages.de/~schwarz/
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 01:01:35 GMT
jedi writes:
> Extending that last part of redhat's installer to create a couple more
> accounts would not be such a great deviation.
An offer to create an ordinary user account is already part of Debian's
install.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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Subject: Re: Chat Program
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 21 Feb 1999 21:38:27 -0500
sabunimjw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Does anyone know of a CHAT program for Linux?
what's wrong with /usr/sbin/chat?
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Advanced RAM usage question...
Date: 15 Feb 1999 23:29:38 -0800
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>>>>> "Joel" == Joel Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I just added an additional 48 megs of RAM to my slackware Linux
>> system and after a week of usage I have 5 megs free (when I run
>> "free" I see this) and 45 Megs in Buffers.
>> My question is, what do those buffers do and should I be
>> worried that I have a running program with a memory leak? After
>> all I only have 5 megs free... I was expecting to see 45 megs
>> free.
Joel> Free memory is a waste. Linux will use whatever memory it
Joel> finds for the disk buffer cache. If that memory was instead
Joel> just sitting around doing nothing, it would be as brain dead
Joel> as windoze!
Surely, this must be one of the dumbest remarks I've seen in a while.
"Free memory is a waste" -- we're better off if all our memory is used
up? That sounds like a great justification for the way Windows works.
mp
- --
Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
-- Anthony Trollope
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Moore)
Subject: Re: Linux Graphing Packages on Redhat
Date: 21 Feb 1999 19:15:56 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <7apftl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> wrote:
...
> ^^^
>
>This is the catch. There are plenty of 2-D plotting packages, but
>not too many free 3-D ones (that I know of, anyway). If you have
>the money, there are three options I do know of:
>
>1. IDL (www.rsinc.com)
>2. Mathematica (www.wri.com)
>3. Maple (www.maplesoft.com)
...
It depends also on what one means by "3D." Gnuplot does a
good job of drawing surfaces and contours of functions of two
variables. When you say 2D plotting, most people think just
straight y vs x. Gnuplot can do a lot more than that. But
I do agree that for very complicated 3D plotting (e.g. using
colors in space to represent values of a 3D function) the Mathematica/Maple
packages are of course much better.
A physics faculty member here has had good luck with mupad (sp?)
which is I think either free or quite inexpensive.
Has anyone had any good luck with Octave? Isn't it supposed to be a
UNIX/Linux free program that will do many of the things that
Mathematica/Maple will do?
--
Brian G. Moore, School of Science, Penn State Erie--The Behrend College
[EMAIL PROTECTED] , (814)-898-6334
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From: Pavel Greenfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: SCSI and Sound
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 22:46:08 -0500
You've configured everything correctly (i.e. compiled all the necessary
support in), but still can't play your CD's? Generally having problems
with SCSI configuration?
The problem may be this (which is what I've experienced). The problem
that I will describe caused for me a great number of other subtle,
seemingly unrelated problems.
If you have a SCSI card and a SCSI CDROM and all three cable are
occupied (for instance, you have a harddrive or two on Int-50, you CDROM
on Int 68, and an external SCSI device on Ext 50) it is against the
rules. You should disconnect one of them. The kernel will alert you that
you have this problem at startup.
First of all, one of the SCSI devices will not be detected. In my case,
the scanner was not detected. So I thought that everything was fine with
my CDROM since it was detected correctly. That was apartently not the
case.
Second, I could mount the SCSI CDROM and read files from it but couldn't
play CD's. Since I've disconnected one of my SCSI devices the problem
went away so I believe that this problem was related to the SCSI setup,
as well.
Third, every once in a while the CDROM wouldn't get detected. Instead of
tinkering with the kernel (which was fruitless for there was nothing
wrong with the kernel) I should've observed that this happened only when
the external SCSI device was on!
The solution to the problem that I personally would recommend: get an
ATAPI CDROM. It's much cheaper than getting another SCSI card and more
convenient than constantly pulling the cables in and out.
My only hope is that this post will save someone some time and
frustration.
Thanks.
Pavel
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 20 Feb 1999 18:22:16 -0500
In article <7anbg0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John S. Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[big fat snip]
>I am parroting GPL'ites kind of language, in implying parasitism...
John, with all due respect, you are sounding as nutty as RMS. Sorry
if it insults you, but it became outright nauseating. I didn't see RMS rants
in c.o.l.* or c.u.b.f.m at least for a year. Can't say that I miss them and
I doubt that anybody does. Could you take it into gnu.misc.discuss where such
discussions belong? It really resembles "He pissed on the floor! What a mess!
It's inacceptable! What an example for kids! I must compensate! <sound of
zipper going down>". Hmm... come to think of that, it depressingly accurately
describes USENET... Oh, well...
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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From: sean mc cann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux in PC Computing, PC World ?
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 23:27:58 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi
PC world did have redhat linux on a cover disc a while ago. There is
also a linux section in the hands on part of PCW. Chris Bimeads coverage
of the dual boot for NT and Linux using YaST was very enlightening.
PCplus has plenty of linux coverage and has Linux software on the cover
disc every month since it gave away SuSe5.2. PCplus's coverage seems to
be more extensive but the that mag costs more.
Hope thats of any use to you.
Sean
Tom Fawcett wrote:
>
> Does either PC Computing or PC World have anything to offer a linux user?
> I checked the websites but couldn't determine anything. It looks like they
> have a few intro articles on Linux but no general coverage of anything but
> Microsoft.
>
> Thanks,
> -Tom
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