Linux-Misc Digest #141, Volume #19 Mon, 22 Feb 99 15:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: Chat Program (John Hasler)
Crystal CS4237B sound chip support? (Fred Heitkamp)
SuSe + root + perl will nicht (Leif Kremkow)
RFC: Building kernels, efficiently? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Michael Powe)
Re: Read/Write on UFS filesystems under 2.2.1 (Kent Robotti)
Re: AGP Graphics card? (Jason Clifford)
Problems using Samba (Daniel Wetzler)
Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused (Jose Urena)
Re: Old ISA ethernet card - Recomendations? ("Jonas")
Re: Can someone recomend an ASCII text editor for X, not X-Emacs.... (Ralph)
Re: PCI 128 (Jose Urena)
Re: PPP problem - invalid numeric parameter 'modem' for asyncmap option (Allan
Olesen)
Re: floating point accuracy on Linux? (William Burrow)
Re: floating point accuracy on Linux? (William Burrow)
qmail and Pegasus Mail ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: WWW: Request for Feedback on WWW site on Linux distributions (The InkFreq)
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Chat Program
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:06:00 GMT
bklimas writes:
> As a newbie, I couldn't get chat to work at all. minicom, kppp, even
> ppp0 from the command line work for me without any problems. But chat?
> No!
Chat works just fine from the command line. However, since it reads the
standard input and writes the standard output, it is rather useless that
way. Type this at the command line:
chat qwerty uiop\\n
Now type:
qwerty
Read the chat man page.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 17:22:04 -0500
From: Fred Heitkamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Crystal CS4237B sound chip support?
I have a Crystalizer Tidalwave 128 sound card that uses the CS4237B and
CS9236 chips. I was wondering if these chips are supported under
Linux? I think there is CS4237 support, but the B chip is almost
completely different AFAIK.
--
Fred
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leif Kremkow)
Subject: SuSe + root + perl will nicht
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:51:24 +0100
ich habe letztens versucht, PPP zu installieren. einer der vielen (!)
probleme war, das ich als root die scripts nicht ausfuehren konnte.
"#bash: command not found"
obwohl das mit einem user login (z.B. "leif), ohne weiteres machbar war.
allerdings durfte der dann nicht verschieden dateien benutzen, dar er
keine root rechte hatte...
und das obwohl die suchpfade gleich waren.
an dieser stelle moechte ich jedem raten, der eine distribution kaufen
will, die finger von SuSe zu lassen. allerdings nur, wenn es um den
support geht (begruendung: 2 mails abgeschickt - nie eine antwort
bekommen, ausser der des automaten...). alles andere ist ok (auser der
PPP kram, der nicht tut).
hat jemand dazu ein paar worte, die mit vielleicht weiterhelfen?
MfG,,
L. Kremkow
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RFC: Building kernels, efficiently?
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:52:31 GMT
Hi, I want to build several different kernels with the same source (no
patching). Doing "make config; make dep; make clean", ... is always safe;
but may be inefficient because "make clean" deletes compile objects (*.o)
and libs (*.a) files.
As an example production kernel: (predominately modular)
IDE support built-in
ext2 filesystem built-in
3c509 NIC built-in
...
all other features as modules
A kernel for a single diskette resque system: (predominately built-in)
IDE support built-in
SCSI support built-in
ext2 filesystem built-in
minix filesystem built-in
3c509 NIC built-in
...
most other require features buil-tin
These lists of features are just examples, i.e. not all inclusive.
So what procedure could be used to build kernels like these in the most
efficient maner?
Thank.
--
Louis-ljl-{ Louis J. LaBash, Jr. }
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: 21 Feb 1999 00:37:57 -0800
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>>>>> "Mayor" == Mayor Of R'lyeh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Mayor> On 18 Feb 1999 22:38:47 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] chose
Mayor> to bless us all with this bit of wisdom:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh) writes:
>>> On 15 Feb 1999 11:48:37 +0000, Paul Flinders
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose to bless us all with this bit
>>> of wisdom:
>>> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> It's been shown that the
>>> trends towards safer workplaces, cars, airlines, >>
>>> etc... already existed before government regulation. In fact,
>>> in some cases >> the trends slowed when regulation appeared.
>>> You won't hear that in the news, >> or course, because that
>>> would be a plus for those of us who want less >> government
>>> and more independence.
>>> >That would be why Ford decided it would be cheaper to pay
>>> accident >victims compensation than to design a safer car?
>>> To what are you referring?
>> Presumably to the Ford Pinto, which had a small design defect
>> that would have cost tens of millions to fix and looked like it
>> would cost in the neighborhood of zero to one lives if it
>> weren't fixed. Unfortunately for Ford, the one life didn't end
>> up ended but merely horrible burnt and very, very litigious.
Mayor> Ah the Pinto case. One of the biggest bits of urban
Mayor> mythology around. What most people don't know about that
Mayor> case was that the car had no gas cap. The women were
Mayor> backing up the highway to get to the exit they just
Mayor> left. They had just realized that they had left their cap
Mayor> at the station they'd just filled up. Most of the gas that
Mayor> ignited came up through the filler tube. Also that Pinto
Mayor> was slammed into by a full sized Chevy van going 70
Mayor> mph. Ford did many crash tests and showed that even with
Mayor> the shield or even moving the gas tank to a place between
Mayor> the axles, the gas tank still ruptured in such a collision.
Mayor> They did some tests with various full sized autos as
Mayor> well. Most of them didn't fare much better. There's simply
Mayor> no way to make a car that is safe for 70 mph collisions.
Indeed, but one has to wonder just who is perpetrating the mythology.
The "urban legend" was not one case but several. A few facts to spoil
your sneer:
Grush-Saunby Report on Pinto Gas Tanks, Table 3: This report is the
Ford Motor Company document in which the authors compared the likely
costs of lawsuits to the known costs of properly retrofitting the cars
with safety bars. The rather cold-blooded decision was simply that it
would be more "cost-effective" to pay off the victims than to protect
their lives.
Benefits and Costs Relating to Fuel Leakage
Associated with the Static Rollover Test Portion of FMVSS 208
Benefits
Savings - 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries, 2100 burned vehicles
Unit Cost -- $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury, $700 per vehicle
Total Benefit - 180 x ($200,000) + 180 x ($67,000) + 2100 x ($700) = $49.5 million.
Costs
Sales - 11 million cars, 1.5 million light trucks.
Unit Cost -- $11 per car, $11 per truck
Total Cost - 11,000,000 x ($11) + 1,500,000 x ($11) = $137 million.
- From The Southern California Law Center web page:
The landmark case in this area of manufacturer liability was Larsen v.
General Motors Corp., 391 F.2d 495 (8th Cir. 1968), in which an
individual was compensated for injuries suffered when his head struck
a steering wheel in an accident. In another significant case, Grimshaw
v. Ford Motor Co., 119 Cal. App. Ct. 3d 757, 174 Cal. Rptr. 348
(1981), a California jury required Ford Motor Company to pay $125
million in punitive damages (later lowered to $3.5 million) to a
teenager who was severely burned in a fire that resulted when his Ford
Pinto was rear-ended and the fuel tank exploded.
mp
- --
Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
"Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
-- Anthony Trollope
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From: Kent Robotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Read/Write on UFS filesystems under 2.2.1
Date: 22 Feb 1999 17:56:07 GMT
Rob Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hi all,
> Has anyone had any joy mounting UFS filesystems read/write under the
> 2.2.1 kernel? I've built all the necessary into said kernel, and when I
> mount my Solaris x86 partitions with o=rw or -w, mount reports that they
> are mounted read/write, but any attempt to modify them results in a
> "read-only filesystem" error.
> Any ideas?
I don't know but maybe this will work.
mount -t ufs -o ufstype=sun /dev/XXXX /mnt
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: AGP Graphics card?
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:57:14 +0000
On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, David Buckley wrote:
> I currently have an SiS 6326 AGP card. It runs X ok, but not as well as
> my old ViRGE dose. I want to upgrade, has anyone any suggestions on
> what card to get? Unfortunately I have to run Windoze, for reasons that
> have to many buts in for the moment. Any suggestions, I`d like to get a
> Savage 3D, but there aren't any drivers yet. I'm going to be using it
> for a lot of graphics so any suggestions should account for 8mb+ of
> memory (4mb just don't cut it any more)
Matrox Millenium G200 with 8MB of RAM is pretty much the best in its
class. The ATI cards are also quite good.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: Daniel Wetzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Problems using Samba
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:26:12 +0100
Hallo,
I have big problems running Samba runnng on Red Hat 5.2 (Sparc) on a
Sparc 10.
The mashine in connected to a LAN correctly (Data exchange, DNS works).
The mashine is recognised by Windoze boxes and Macs running DAVE.
But all tries to mount a Directory (e.g. tmp) lead to a error like
"Remote volume is not ready".
I included my smb.conf with this posting perhabs somebody can find a big
bug in it.
Do I need a unix-guest account to use the tmp directory ?
Do I need to make the /var/lsamba/<USER> directories by hand or are they
made by samba ?
I hope there`s someone out there who can help me....
Greetings,
Daniel
Here`s my smb.conf :
[global]
server string = Sun0
workgroup = MED220
printing = bsd
printcap name = /etc/printcap
guest account = nobody
log file = /var/log/samba-log.%m
lock directory = /var/lock/samba
share modes = yes
[homes]
comment = Home Verzeichnis
path = /var/samba/%u
browseable = no
guest ok = no
read only = no
create mode = 0750
[tmp]
comment = NUR FUER TEMPORAERE DATEN !!
path = /var/samba/puplic
public = yes
writeable = oes
browseable = yes
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From: Jose Urena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:29:45 -0500
last thing I heard is that BillG owns code for PM, so IBM can not ported without
BillG approval
Bill Polhemus wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > The GUI for LINUX is will be the 'killer app'
> > and whoever gets there first will be the kings of the LINUX world.
>
> Today, I learned that IBM has announced it will preload Linux on its servers and
> desktops.
>
> Okay, so IBM is on board. That leads me to my next thought:
>
> Why not persuade the folks at IBMS PSP (Personal Software Products, or whatever
> name they go by these days; they're in Austin, Texas) to port OS/2's Presentation
> Manager to Linux!?!?
>
> PM was THE reason I was so in love with OS/2. It adhered pretty strictly to the
> established CUA standards, was fully object oriented, fast and smart as a whip.
> Even in the OS/2 2.1 version, Windows 98 could only DREAM of being so tight!
>
> Has anyone ever discussed this?
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From: "Jonas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Old ISA ethernet card - Recomendations?
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 14:59:54 +0100
Intel also makes a 100 Mbit isa card but it's very expensive. About 50 %
more than a PCI-card.
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From: Ralph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,pl.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Can someone recomend an ASCII text editor for X, not X-Emacs....
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:04:32 -0500
> > Can someone recomend an ASCII text editor for X, not X-Emacs....
> Try regular emacs. It does all of this. Try adding on the package
> called "xenomacs" for some decent syntax highliting for just about every
> format.
-<[SNiP]>-
Also if you don't like emacs style editing try gvim (graphical)vim i'm
pretty sure the new versions supports all those features... also a good
program is fte (full text editor) it supports all those features and has a
console and x version... and for normalicy across platforms has a windows
and os/2 version also. good stuff. :)
Ralph
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From: Jose Urena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: PCI 128
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:11:18 -0500
Assuming you mean AudioPCI128 and Compatibles
the drivers are part of the linux 2.2.x files, you might have to toggle
on/off the prompting for new drivers
use AudioPCI or Creative Labs AudioPCI
there is no distinction between the 64 and 128 intrument card, Why? because
the intruments are software based and that is not part of the driver
David Buckley wrote:
> Has any one got any idea where to get drivers, and how to get a PCI 128
> working? I've got it working in windoze 95 & NT, but would like to get
> it working in linux.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Allan Olesen)
Subject: Re: PPP problem - invalid numeric parameter 'modem' for asyncmap option
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 16:34:34 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Hugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Part of /var/log/messages follows. Can anyone explain what I need to do to
>remedy this?
You have probably used the asyncmap option without specifying a value.
Pppd will think that the next option "modem" is the value for
asyncmap. Look for "asyncmap" in your configuration files and correct
it to "asyncmap 0" (or whatever value is required for your ISP).
--
Allan Olesen
"Keyboard not found. Press F1 to continue."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Subject: Re: floating point accuracy on Linux?
Date: 21 Feb 1999 16:14:29 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 19 Feb 1999 17:16:40 GMT,
John G Dobnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Georg Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>sure, I expect so, but still I think 0.2*5-1 should be output as 0.0 and
>>>not -5.551115e-17.
...
>> The thing that is curious, is that BSD does return 0.0e+00, and yet the
>> assembler output for a C program that calculates this expression appears
>> to be the same. (Note that gcc will optimize the expression to 0.0e+00
>> automatically on either platform if it sees it, another curiousity.)
>
>Have you considered the possibility that the C _libraries_ (which,
>after all, are _formatting_ your output) have slightly different
>behaviors? Such as, perhaps, defaulting to different output display
>precisions? We are, after all, talking about Linux on the one hand,
>and BSD on the other, and (perhaps) gcc on the third hand -- each of
>these would have its own, unique and different, I/O library.
No, something else is at play here. The e and (I think I used) the g
printf output flags use exponential notation, so that no matter the
size of the number, it is represented similarly (eg
0.000000000001 is 1.0e-12 on either machine, even if the precision
is only 6 digits, say, on one machine and 7 digits on the other. The
number 1 would be 1.0e+00 and so on.)
>Just another possible point of differentiation.
I think someone suggested that in one case, intermediate values may be
stored in a 64-bit format. This could be it.
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
~ ()>()
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Subject: Re: floating point accuracy on Linux?
Date: 21 Feb 1999 16:25:43 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 17 Feb 1999 14:54:24 GMT,
Georg Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>this is an intel issue. stay away from intel cpus if it really bothers
>>you. however, the extra precision seldom hurts, design your algorithm
>>to be precision tolerant. for testing you should again avoid a == b
>>and use the epsilon method.
>
>sure, but this does not help when porting old workstation numerics code to
>Linux :-(
Non-portable code always has this problem. ;) By making the correction,
you code will be correct on whatever platform you port it to later.
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: qmail and Pegasus Mail
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 14:38:02 GMT
I have moved to Linux recently and still use Pegasus Mail through wine
as mail client. With multiple mailboxes a mail server would be
convenient.
Is it possible to set up qmail for mail retrieval and read the mail
with Pegasus. So far, I could not get a POP connection running -
Pegasus reports that either password or username is incorrect. I have
tested the POP server through telnet though which did work fine.
What I am looking for is a free and easy to set up mail server and
good documentation for the whole set-up process of qmail (including an
explanation of Mail-Client setups).
Christian
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 16:50:59 GMT
In article <7ammgb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Matt O'Toole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This is true. What's lacking is the other extreme: there is no current
> Linux distribution that installs and configures itself so it's instantly
> usable. Some users don't want to be faced with a host of configuration
> decisions. They just want to install the software, and get to work.
>
> Matt O.
>
I just installed Turbo Linux, it installed and auto configured everything - I
did not have to "diddle" with anything. It set up my ppp correctly,
configured my video card correctly and allowed me a chose of default desktops
among about a dozen - I chose KDE.
So I disagree with your statement.
Jim
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From: The InkFreq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WWW: Request for Feedback on WWW site on Linux distributions
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:34:27 -0700
Joseph:
Gotta say, overall a great site. Not bogged down with too many graphics, easy
layout to navigate, good information.
My only suggestions would be these:
1. Perhaps consider including info on Stampede. It's a fairly new distro (in
comparisson), and has done some nice things overall with it's setup features. I
still prefer my good ol Slackware, but it's another alternative with some
advantages to the newbie.
2. Consider placing a little more info on the main page conserning the differences
between installations. One of the things I ahve found that scares most new Linux
users away, is that they are afraid of the actual install. Once they get beyond
that fear...we usually find them lurking around groups like these within no time.
I guess fear is worse thatn the actual fate of doing huh?
Just a couple of suggestions, but other than that, nice page. Mind if I link it?
joseph wrote:
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> I maintain the site:
> http://www.angband.org/linux
> it's a simple page trying to inform people about the different
> distributions of linux out there. the only problem is that it is in need
> of a drastic update.
> i had to sell my computer recently because of financial needs (damn
> tuition!), so i haven't had the chance to play around with any of the
> new releases. i would really appreciate it if people who have installed
> and used the new releases, send me some feedback.
>
> you can e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> please submit your e-mail in the following format so i can organize it
> easily:
>
> Subject: <distribution version> (e.g. RedHat 5.2)
>
> message body:
>
> pros: blah blah blah.
> cons: blah blah blah.
> comments: blah blah blah.
>
> if you have any particular rant that you want posted, let me know and
> i'll put it up there for you.
>
> as usual, i will properly credit anyone who sends me feedback. then
> again, please don't take it the wrong way if i don't put your comments
> up there, there is only so much information i can put on one webpage
> regarding a particular distirbution.
>
> hopefully, if i get enough feedback in time, i will update the webpage
> by the beginning of march.
>
> once again, thanks.
> - -joseph
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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