Linux-Misc Digest #140, Volume #19 Mon, 22 Feb 99 13:13:13 EST
Contents:
Re: Expand Mac StuffIt files (Rod Smith)
ICQ for Linux (sabunimjw)
Re: WP8 question (garv)
Re: Linux programming book (Mark Gilmore)
Re: Putting NT (and Linux) on the Same System? (Mark Gilmore)
Re: formation linux!!! (mist)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (NF Stevens)
Re: Win95 + Linux Dual Installation Possible? (Slimbo)
Re: Kppp & Suse 6.0 upgrade - 'pppd died unexpectedly' (Alex Nichol)
Re: Partition Magic? (Robert Waugh)
Re: Can someone recomend an ASCII text editor for X, not X-Emacs.... (Artur Hefczyc)
Re: formation linux!!! (Albert Ulmer)
Re: Linux Compatible modem? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused (Matthias Warkus)
Re: sh for Linux (Rob Fisher)
Re: telnet in from Win box (Roland Latour)
Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused (Chris Lee)
Re: formation linux!!! (David Madore)
Help! When LILO becomes LI? Failed to boot linux from NT loader (Victor Tsang)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Expand Mac StuffIt files
Date: 21 Feb 1999 13:45:08 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Posted and mailed]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Milos Prudek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> How can I do subj.?
In theory, the macunpack program from the macutils package will do it;
however, AFAIK this program hasn't been updated in years, so it'll only
handle some pretty old archives.
--
Rod Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.channel1.com/users/rodsmith
NOTE: Remove the "uce" word from my address to mail me
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From: sabunimjw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ICQ for Linux
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:09:44 GMT
Does anyone know where I can get ICQ for linux?
Thanks
JW
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From: garv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: WP8 question
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 07:22:19 -0800
Bill Van Dyk wrote:
> A Dark Elf wrote:
>
> >
>
> Just kidding. Seriously, though, has anybody else noticed this:
> "Microsoft" is marked as an error in Word Perfect. "Linux" is underlined as
Eudora Lite (old?) wanted to change Pentium to pennies (Tell you something?)
and
change vmlinuz to vagina.
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From: Mark Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux programming book
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:34:30 -0500
Linux Application Development is pretty good.
Mark Robinson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was thinking of ordering Linux Programming from Cheapbytes. Is the
> book any good? Are there better books?
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From: Mark Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Putting NT (and Linux) on the Same System?
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 09:47:53 -0500
http://www.linuxhq.com/HOWTO/mini/Linux+NT-Loader.html
You have to do some config to the NT loader so it will call LILO. The HOWTO is pretty
good.
Wayne Watson wrote:
> > ...
>
> Let me restate my previous posting. What I would like to achieve is to have NT and
>Linux on different
> disks. NT and associated file systems are on disk 0 presently. I would like to
>purchase another disk
> and put Linux on it, and then be able to boot up in either OS, but I don't want to
>distrub any of the
> NT files or partitions. Is this possible?
>
> --
> "If you don't think too good, then don't think too much." Ted Williams,
>Baseball Great
>
> ========== Wayne T. Watson ==========
> When having fun, which is a lot, you'll find me on the internet pursuing my hobbies
>of amateur
> astronomy and science. When I get serious, I consult in C, UNIX, C++, Java. See my
>web page.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Web Page: http://www.sirius.com/~mtn_view
>(Updated 2/15/99)
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From: mist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: formation linux!!!
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 13:52:53 +0000
Reply-To: mist <new$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
sean mc cann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribed to us that -
>
>Harry my French is brutal so could you please repost in English
> and I'll
>see if I can help you.
>
<snip>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> > Salut,
>> >
>> > Je recherche une formation sous linux (reseaux, script,
>programmation en
>> > C, commande et configuration de base) sur paris si vous connaissez
>> > quelques choses pourriez vous m'ecrire � [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > mercis
What I understood of that was
I'm looking for [something (maybe a book or user group)] about Linux
([something], shell scripts, C programming, and [system] configuration),
[something about paris] if you know of anything, please write to me at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thankyou.
Could very possibly be looking for a user group within Paris. very much
depends on what the word "formation" means, really.
In terms of books, (in English) I'd recommend Running Linux (2nd Ed.) by
Matt Welsh and Lar Kaufman, published by O'Reilly, and Essential System
Administration (2nd Ed.) by ALeen Frisch, also published by O'Reilly.
--
Mist.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 14:46:08 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson) wrote:
[snip]
>So, you (by "supporting" software) are leveraging the efforts of those
>who have given their work away for free. The kind of "free" determines
>how the developer (him|her)self can profit. The GPL excludes amortizing
>cost of development from the money pipeline (unless there is some
>gross overcharging going on somewhere, like for support fees.) GPLed
>code is structured for people like you to make money. There has been
>lots of good money made on free and GPLed works.
Does the BSD style license seek to prevent the a commercial venture
such as Red Hat/SuSE etc etc from making a profit from disributing
free software? Even if it did I doubt that such a restriction would be
enforceable. I conclude the lack of such a venture for BSD licenced
software is not due to some enabling mechanism in the GPL, but to
the lack of demand for such a service.
Are all the possibilities of making a profit from support services etc
available for with software which has a BSD style licence? Does
any BSD style license contain a paragraph prohibiting charging for
support services?
[snip]
>You are making a sort-of investment in your reputation and marketing
>skills -- however, you are also (by using GPLed works) using software
>that doesn't directly support the notion that software development
>is a capital investment. You are supporting GPLed software
>that condemns future works also to be divulged. This discourages
>the notion of programming, design, innovation for investment
>on the part of the people who originated derived works.
Your use of the word "condemns" gives you away. The basis
of your complaint about the GPL seems to be that it does not
allow proprietory works to be derived from it. AFAIAC that
is not a problem; in fact it is one of the benefits of the GPL.
Once a piece of code is free, it stays free. I also have
some difficulty with your phrase "who originated derived
works". If it is derived then it is not original. Furthermore
there is no bar to "reverse engineering" GPL works. Nothing
is stopping you from using the ideas and design principles
in a piece of GPL code and implementing your own version
of it. In this respect GPL code is like proprietory code.
For example if you took Windows NT, fixed a few of
the bugs and added a few features, Microsoft would
not be too pleased if you attempted to sell the whole
package as a derived work.
[snip]
Norman
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From: Slimbo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,alt.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Win95 + Linux Dual Installation Possible?
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:29:29 GMT
Howdy,
I have my system setup with win95 on primary amster and Linux on
primary slave. I use loadlin instead of lilo. With loadlin I can launch it from
an icon from the desktop, boot into a dos prompt and launch it, or press F5 to
start previous version of dos and have it launch Linux. It's just my opion, but
I like lodlin much better :)
Bye for now,
Slimbo
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Nichol)
Subject: Re: Kppp & Suse 6.0 upgrade - 'pppd died unexpectedly'
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:30:33 GMT
Reply-To: alexn@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sam Vere wrote:
>Here's a thing: I was trying to connect to Demon with kppp, and every
>time it'd get to password authentication, then quit with the error
>message in the subject line.
I have just been setting it up for Pipex with the same experience -
the message is essentially a time-out.
I got round it by adding a script to the PPP section of kppp - in the
Pipex case, which sends login: and password: as prompts, a script of
just
SEND
(sending two spaces to wake up the process)
EXPECT ogin:
SEND myuserid
EXPECT word:
SEND mypassword
did the trick. I also changed the line termination combo in the modem
settings of kppp to be just CR instead of CR/LF - not sure if that
mattered.
--
Alex Nichol
Bournemouth, U.K.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Robert Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Partition Magic?
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:25:40 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mansion Wong wrote:
> Can you explain in detail how to load linux from NT loader ?
> What needs to be modified in boot.ini ?
>
> I am interested because my LILO cannot find the MBR in my primary
> DOS partition and hence refuse to install.
>
> Thanks
This is well documented in the HOWTO. Load lilo in the boot sector of
the linux root partition and do a disk dump (see HOWTO) of the boot
sector to a file which you then copy to your NTFS partition and use it
to boot linux (with the NT Boot Loader).
Rob
--
"I pretend to work, they pretend to pay me."
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Mansion Wong wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Can you explain in detail how to load linux from
NT loader ?
<BR>What needs to be modified in boot.ini ?
<P>I am interested because my LILO cannot find the MBR in my primary
<BR>DOS partition and hence refuse to install.
<P>Thanks</BLOCKQUOTE>
<B>This is well documented in the HOWTO</B>. Load lilo in the boot sector
of the linux root partition and do a disk dump (see HOWTO) of the boot
sector to a file which you then copy to your NTFS partition and use it
to boot linux (with the NT Boot Loader).
<P>Rob
<PRE>--
"I pretend to work, they pretend to pay me."</PRE>
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From: Artur Hefczyc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,pl.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Can someone recomend an ASCII text editor for X, not X-Emacs....
Date: 22 Feb 1999 17:13:18 +0100
Miernik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Can someone recomend an ASCII text editor for X, not X-Emacs....
>
> I want it to have sophisticated functions, like syntax highliting for HTML, C,
> and LaTeX,
> rectangle selecting, line numbering, capitalization conversion, and so on.
>
> But I do not want it to be so big and load such a long time like X-Emacs 2.0,
> and first of all do not have such stupid menus and dialogs....
>
> The file opening dialog in X-Emacs is crazy, and also I cannot select blocks
> of text by holding <shift> and moving the cursor.
>
> thanks....
I think "vim" could be good for you
Tytus
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From: Albert Ulmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: formation linux!!!
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 15:19:05 GMT
> sean mc cann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribed to us that -
> >> > Je recherche une formation sous linux (reseaux, script,
> >> > programmation en
> >> > C, commande et configuration de base) sur paris si vous connaisse=
z
> >> > quelques choses pourriez vous m'ecrire =E0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > mercis
This means (IMHO)
I=B4m looking for a Linux user group (networks, scripting, programming=20
in C, commands and basic configuration) in Paris, if you know some,=20
please write to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thank you.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux Compatible modem?
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:36:27 GMT
On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:32:31 -0500, Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I am using a Diamond SupraExpress 56K v.90 modem and it is working well
>for me. There appear to be a couple modems with similar packaging which
>fit this name though. I am using one which is ISA and the box claims a
>UART capable of 230kbps (I can't get better than 115kbps yet).
>
>I tried a Zoom (model 2919) and it worked but I didn't get connections
>of better than about 31000bps, so I traded it. I have seen other
>reports of the Zoom working fine (my phone line I guess).
my ZOOM connects at 49999(internal isa) at home and 48000(external) at
work.
>
>Hope that helps
>
>Henry
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone!
>>
>> Could you tell me whether I can use either a Diamond Supra Express 56K v90
>> modem or a ZOOM DUalMode 56K modem with Linux?
>>
>> I need to know of some success reports before I buy one - so a reply to
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] would be greatly appreciated!
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> -ashutosh
>>
>> LINUX ROCKS :)
>>
>> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
>> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:30:31 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 21 Feb 1999 11:48:44 PST...
..and Matt O'Toole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Chris Lee wrote in message <7ap964$cep$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
> >If Mandrake were to do something as stupid as you suggest, they and
> >their users would become the laughing stock of the linux/unix world.
>
> This reminds me of high school, when kids who drove cars with automatic
> transmissions were laughed at, because they "couldn't drive."
>
> Most people grow out of that nonsense.
No, the reason for the laughter is not related to arrogance. It's just
that a preconfigured user with a preconfigured password (or no
password at all, which is about the same) would tear a large security
hole into every system.
Say, you have installed your Linux from the same CD as Joe Schmoe
(this is actually assuming the preconfigured account is different on
every CD, it could be even worse). That means, you know that there is
an account on Joe Schmoe's machine you've got both the username and
password of. All you need to do now is to find out his IP, which
shouldn't be too hard, and then you can telnet into his box. If the
root account is preconfigured in the same way as the example user
account... ROTFLMAO.
mawa
--
The utility of a fancy Web browser is damn near zero compared with the
utility of a really good text editor.
-- mawa
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From: Rob Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: sh for Linux
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:53:11 +0000
> Does anyone know where I would be able to get a copy of the shell sh that
> will run under Linux on an Intel processor.
Both bash and pdksh have configure options that will build them as
simple Bourne shells.
Rob
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From: Roland Latour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: telnet in from Win box
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 07:11:41 -0800
Henry Meyerding wrote:
>
> When I telnet into my Linux server from a Win 9x box, if I start elm I
> get some gibberish about the screen not being wide enough (and elm stops
> before it runs). What can I do about this?
>
> Interestingly, if I telnet to a different server and then telnet from
> there I don't get the message.
The 'other server' apparently does the stty stuff correctly. MS problem?
> Also, I can't vi because it tells me a bunch of hooey about termcap
> stuff and then exits.
>
> Please reply via email
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
First, read 'man resize' for background. Secondly, try resizing the
telnet window, to see if your window manager will tell you its real
dimensions. Then run 'stty rows 24 columns 80' or whatever the size
is. 'stty -a' will show all the settings.
elm, vi, and other programs that move stuff via ncurses use these
dimensions. Looks like a problem with MS telnet to me. Sorry I don't
have a simpler fix, but the above should take care of the problem.
--
Retired Tech Support Engineer http://home.cdsnet.net/~rolandl
Young at Heart. Slightly Older in Other Places.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Lee)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused
Date: 21 Feb 1999 15:36:36 GMT
In article <7ammgb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>I just installed Mandrake 5.2. It's the closest thing to install-and-go
>workstation Linux that I've seen. However, it's only ready to go if you
log
>in as root! That's ridiculous. It should install with a user account or
>two already configured, and ready to run some basic apps. Not only would
>this allow someone to get to work right away without screwing up his
system,
>it would also provide an example of an already-configured user account, so
>that a Win/Mac user could instantly see what Linux/Unix is all about.
>
>Matt O.
Never happen since the wanna-be hackers who hang out in the the Windows
warez groups would love something like this.
If Mandrake were to do something as stupid as you suggest, they and
their users would become the laughing stock of the linux/unix world.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Madore)
Subject: Re: formation linux!!!
Date: 21 Feb 1999 15:35:57 GMT
``Formation'' means ``training'' or ``course''. (Well, it could also
mean ``formation'' exactly as in English but that wouldn't make much
sense there, would it?)
To reply to the original poster, I recommend looking up and/or
contacting http://www.aful.org/
<span lang="fr">
Pour r�pondre au message initial, je recommande de consulter et/ou
contacter http://www.aful.org/
</span>
--
David A. Madore
([EMAIL PROTECTED],
http://www.eleves.ens.fr:8080/home/madore/)
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From: Victor Tsang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Help! When LILO becomes LI? Failed to boot linux from NT loader
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:18:24 +0800
Hello,
I am a newbie to Linux. I recently add a new HD to my PC for
installing Linux, co-exist with my Windows NT in the same machine.
As I want to keep the NT, I must make use of NT loader to
boot linux. So, I'd read Linux+NT-Loader mini howto, BOOTPART
documentation and some web pages discussing how to make my NT loader
boot/load linux.
(Installation detail see below later.)
When I select "Slackware" in NT loader, the screen goes from blue (NT
loader) to black and has "LI" on the left top screen (should be LILO?)
and then hang...
Do you have any idea on this issue? I am new to Linux world so anything
(even you feel silly) will be helpful. Thanks very much.
Victor Tsang
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
My config:
NT: version 4.0 (Traditional Chinese) with sp4 applied
Linux: Slackware 3.6
CPU: AMD K6-2
First IDE bus: 1 ATAPI CD-ROM (G: in NT)
Second IDE bus: 6.5GB Harddisk (C: and E: in NT. Both are NTFS)
SCSI disk 1: 2GB, D: in NT, NTFS. (/dev/sda)
SCSI disk 2: 9GB, H: in NT. FAT16 (/dev/sdb1) with unpartitioned space
(new disk. going to install linux in it)
Install procedure:
1. boot Slackware boot disk and root disk
2. run "cfdisk /dev/sdb" to prepare linux partition and linux swap
partition in the 2nd SCSI disk as below:
here is the partition "allocation" of /dev/sdb:
- 1st partition: 1GB, FAT16, H: in NT. cfdisk said it is primary
partition
- 2nd partion: 1.8GB, linux, ext2 fs, boot, primary partition, appear
to be
/dev/sdb3
- 3rd partition:120M, linux swap, swap fs, logical partition, appear
to be
/dev/sdb2
- unpartitioned free space
3. run slackware setup, which prepare file systems, and install some
packages... etc...
4. run liloconfig to config lilo
- install lilo in superblock
- root=/dev/sdb3
- boot=/dev/sdb3
also prepare a lilo boot floppy
5. after lilo is updated, make boot sector image:
dd if=/dev/sdb3 of=/FAT/linux.boo bs=512 count=1
6. reboot NT.
- copy H:\linux.boo to C:\linux\boot.001,
- add "C:\linux\boot.001="Slackware" " in boot.ini
- I also try bootpart.
- generate boot file using bootpart
- add "C:\linux\bootpart.001="Slackware (bootpart)" " in boot.ini
7. reboot. select "Slackware"
"LI" on screen and halt.
8. reboot. select "Slackware (bootpart)"
"LI" on screen and halt.
Victor Tsang
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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