Linux-Misc Digest #156, Volume #19 Tue, 23 Feb 99 21:13:09 EST
Contents:
Extract files from RPM Package in DOS OS?? (Glenn)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers ("W. Kiernan")
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Alan McLean)
Re: upgrade rpm (Bob Tennent)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) ("W. Kiernan")
Removing an alias from an interface ("Albert Want")
Linux's or Netscape's Java Sounds - help? (Doug Paradis)
Re: Should IBM port Visual Age for Java to Linux? (Christopher Browne)
Re: More bad news for NT (Mantikor)
Re: Putting NT (and Linux) on the Same System? ("W. Kiernan")
term-2.3.5 compilation failure (Horace Chan)
Re: Image Viewer Applications (Scott Johnston)
Re: Apache and different users (L J Bayuk)
Re: Netscape fonts ("Douglas C. Holland")
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Alexander Viro)
Re: Apache and different users (Morten Ranheim)
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From: Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Extract files from RPM Package in DOS OS??
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:47:37 -0500
Hi,
Well I had quite a time with an initscripts RPM from Hell yesterday, but
finally managed to get my system to boot again. This was only possible
using loadlin, not the emergency disks nor boot disks. For a while I
thought that my only recourse would be to manually replace each one of
the files installed via RPM from a DOS partion which I was able to
mount. RPM was broken and a rpm --rebuildb did nothing. RPM would not
install or uninstall anything. I eventually found that the system
thought this RPM was installed four times, rpm -qa listed it four times
and the database was trash.
My question is this. Is it possible to extract the files from an RPM in
a DOS environment and what tools are required to do this? Remember that
no Linux programs for RPM can be used and no installation via tar balls
can be accomplished either. vA search has resulted in nothing to be
found.
Thanks for any insight you may provide.
Glenn
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From: "W. Kiernan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: 23 Feb 1999 16:37:18 PST
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BobO wrote:
>
> On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:19:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach) said:
>
> > > And if you look at it sensibly it becomes apparent that driving a
> > > subcompact is what's horribly dangerous.
Not with me driving, bud! I learned to drive in a VW bug. You should
just see how lousy I drive a great big car. Put a lousy driver like me
in an SUV and it's a rolling disaster waiting to happen. Believe me,
I'm safer, and so is everybody else for a quarter mile in every
direction, when I'm driving my small, cheap, fuel-efficient subcompact.
See, 2000 pound subcompacts handle lots better and brake lots better
trhan 5000 pound SUVs. That's important if you're trying not to get
killed on the highway.
> > To you, yes. Not so much to other people.
> >
> > It is possible that you have to include the effects of your behavior
> > on the world around you when making choices.
Yeah, there is the political dimension too. One of these days the price
of oil is going to shoot back up, fast. It's us socially-responsible
subcompact owners who will be doing our fair share for national security
and world peace then! (Ouch! just threw my damn arm out patting myself
on the back.)
> > Imagine two worlds; in one, everyone drives SUVs. In the other,
> > they all drive subcompacts.
Imagine a third, where everyone drives full-sized steam locomotives.
Choo choo! And a fourth, where the passenger cars are powered by
fission reactors. And a fifth, where almost everyone rides a bicycle.
> > I doubt that traffic fatalities would be lower in the all-SUV world.
> > I wouldn't be surprised if they were higher.
> >
> > On the other hand, if you have both, the people in the SUV's are at
> > lower risk, because they're passing that risk on to everyone else.
Hell, I'm not the only guy who can't drive a big vehicle like an SUV
worth a damn. Include in my class of lousy drivers about fifty percent
of the yoicks driving those damn beasts up and down the interstate,
wallowing all over the God damned lane stripes, every day when I'm
trying to get to work. Although I must admit, as a group, minivan
drivers drive even worse.
> Its a survival of the fittest world. If you drive a subcompact then .
> . .what can I say?
So what you suggest is that we all drive steam locomotives, bulldozers,
and tanks. O-KAY!
SAY!! what has this discussion got to do with "Re: Consumer Poll Says
Microsoft Is Good For Consumers"
Yours Mr. Off-topic, WDK - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan McLean)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:51:46 GMT
Tony Porczyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It is amazing how quickly one can lose respect of others by using
> such cheap arguments (besides that it makes no sense based on John's
> posts). This and some other statements you have made in this
> "discussion" (I am being truly charitable here) are unfortunately
> public for everyone to read. I really couldn't care less if you
> prefer a more socialist-bent software license or some other. I
> have admired your work so far, and it is a pity that I had to adjust
> my perception of you after reading some of your posts. Please stop
> this ugliness and name calling (parasites). It serves absolutely
> NO useful purpose.
>
> t.
I agree.
Name-calling is ugly, and only detracts from any kind of
point that is lurking. To be fair, John is not innocent
of it either.
Unfortunately, this is one of those topics where some
have a "my way is the right way" attitude, and these
type of people tend to get upset easily.
This is why we are doomed to relive this and similar
threads over and over. The wise ones (not me obviously;)
ignore them.
-amcl
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From: r d t@c s.q u e e n s u.c a (Bob Tennent)
Subject: Re: upgrade rpm
Date: 22 Feb 1999 15:37:40 GMT
On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:02:05 -0700, Mark Winter wrote:
>
>Could someone tell me the steps to upgrade rpm from version 2.3.11 to
>the newest 2.5.5? I try rpm -i rpm-2.5.5*rpm and get
>data type 9 not supported. Is there an intermediate rpm to install?
>
I don't know if you need to go via a 2.4.x version but you can find
such at rufus.w3.org/linux/RPM.
Bob T.
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From: "W. Kiernan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 23 Feb 1999 17:07:46 PST
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hypen wrote:
>
> On 19 Feb 1999 20:02:49 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson) wrote:
>
> >Blah blah blah blah blah
>
> *FIVE* days ago it was accurately pointed out that this discussion was
> degenerating into a rehash of old arguments without *ANYTHING* new
> being added. *FIVE* days ago!
>
> It has been said that no argument in cyberspace is over until somebody
> has been called a Nazi. If I call you Nazi, will you let it drop?
No, that's a bad idea. If you call him a Nazi, sure, it kills this
thread dead, no question there, but then John Dyson's feelings will be
hurt. And you don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, now, do you?
An impasse. I tell you what. I volunteer to be the kill-da-thread Nazi
this time. Somebody's got to do it. Go ahead. Call ME the Nazi. I'm
not really a Nazi, I know that, and you know that (or at least you would
if you knew me personally) but I'm willing to put up with it, JUST THIS
ONCE, if that's what it takes to clear all these dancing angels off the
head of this pin.
Yours Hauptfuhrer von WDK - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Albert Want" <al-want@#--remove--#usa.net>
Subject: Removing an alias from an interface
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:31:31 -0000
I'm trying to remove an alias from a network interface with this command
ifconfig eth0:1- 0.0.0.0
but it returns this error
eth0:1-: unknown interface
It works but return this error. Any idea of the reason? It's not reported in
the NET3-HOWTO.
Thanks in advance for the advices and please answer in mail too (remove
#--remove--#)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug Paradis)
Subject: Linux's or Netscape's Java Sounds - help?
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 01:40:54 GMT
is there some magic I have to perform to make the java VM in Netscape
for linux play sound. I am trying to move off NT, and my daughter
loves the java applet of Elmo on the Children's Television Workshop
site:
http://www.ctw.org
Without it saying "Tickle Elmo" out the speakers, Linux is worthless
to me (jk). My sound card is working since I can run the sound test
and the Galaga game plays sound.
Any thoughts? Or does the java sound just not work?
Thanks
Doug Paradis
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.lang.smalltalk
Subject: Re: Should IBM port Visual Age for Java to Linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 01:36:50 GMT
On 23 Feb 1999 20:13:52 GMT, Reality is a point of view
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[note: crosspost added c.l.s, Cc'd tmurphy for kicks]
>
> +---- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:18:54 -0600):
> | Well..in order for IBM to port VisualAge Java to Linux they would have
> | to port VisualAge Smalltalk to Linux because VA-Java is just a
> | VA-Smalltalk application. I would be heavily in favor of them porting
> | VA-Smalltalk to Linux because VA-Smalltalk is a much better development
> | tool than VA-Java anyway.
> |
> | They could probably do it fairly easily because they already have
> | VA-Smalltalk running on Windows, OS/2, AIX, Solaris, HP/UX, MVS, etc...
> +----
>
>Pressure from that other proprietary Smalltalk, ObjectShare's
>VW Smalltalk, will probably speed the port of VA Smalltalk.
>
>For those that aren't aware, VW Smalltalk for Linux has been
>announced, or possibly just preannounced. A lot of MIS style
>Smalltalkers like it. If I'm not mistaken ObjectShare intends
>to make a splash at a certain upcoming conference. If they do
>keep an eye out of 'deployment licensing' (see their
>preannoucement, posted to USENET, for previous plans to seek
>deployment fees), it hasn't been determined if they will retain
>that sort of silliness (but rumblings seem to indicate they
>will drop them, though encouragement couldn't hurt).
ObjectShare did a presentation at the January North Texas Linux Users
Group meeting, and left us with a few Zip disks with copies of the
"freely deployable" portions.
An email directed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] might be suitable for locating
some place where the software can be found...
--
"Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk ?"
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED], Felix von Leitner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/languages.html>
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From: mantikor @ hotmail.com (Mantikor)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 01:43:56 GMT
>>>I'd say the whole process of getting it going is pretty stupid. Heck
>>>setting up PPP requires me to read and absorb a 50 page HOWTO. That's okay,
>>>I like learning, but gawd, doesn't everybody want PPP?
>>
>>It wasn't that bad for me, but I'll admit it wasn't as easy as Windows
>>to set up. But I sure didn't have to read a 50-page HOWTO.
>
>I think he may have been exaggerating for effect, dont you?
>
>And he has a point... when I first installed linux (read: didnt know
>jack shit about linux) I didnt have to read one 50 page HOWTO to get
>on the net, but I did have to read through 3 or 4 different HOWTOs
>(and there can be a lot of pages to scroll through to get to the info
>you need) in order to set up my modem and internet connection. I
>recall I had no idea how to use pppd, so I used dip to connect, and
>that was hell to set up as well.
>
>There could be a lot more work put into streamlining things in linux,
>but at the end of the day, if you move all the brain dead sheep onto
>it as an OS, pretty soon all the brain dead developers will move as
>well, and then linux will be flooded with crap apps, just like
>windows.
>
>
>Personally, I like linux just where it is... away from my users, but
>easily within my reach.
Quick addition to this: I am working on ways to make a linux desktop
that runs smoothly... if I could setup a linux workstation that one of
my users could use effectively without bringing it down (or rather,
without needing my help to sort it out) then I'd be happy to use it
round the office.
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From: "W. Kiernan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Putting NT (and Linux) on the Same System?
Date: 23 Feb 1999 17:42:29 PST
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wayne Watson wrote:
>
> Jason Clifford wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 20 Feb 1999, Wayne Watson wrote:
> >
> > > NT and associated file systems are on disk 0 presently. I would
> > > like to purchase another disk and put Linux on it, and then be
> > > able to boot up in either OS, but I don't want to distrub any of
> > > the NT files or partitions. Is this possible?
> >
> > Yes.
>
> How?
>
> Well, OK, I'll be expressive. :-) Is there some description somewhere
> of how this might be done, say in a book, by a distributor of Linux,
> or the Linux Journal?
Get BOOTPART
http://www.winimage.com/bootpart.htm
which allows you to add Linux to the NT boot menu. It's free. Then you
install LILO in the MBR of the Linux root partition, point to it using
BOOTPART, and you're set, provided NT doesn't somehow mysteriously trash
your Linux drive again.
Yours WDK - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Horace Chan)
Subject: term-2.3.5 compilation failure
Date: 22 Feb 1999 15:39:17 GMT
When I try to compile term-2.3.5 under my linux,
I got the following error:
Linux> ./configure --root --static
(Re)building the Makefile.
term configured to build on linux and install in /usr/local
use of dynamic term libraries suppressed
Linux> make install installman
gcc -Wall -O -DBUILD_LIBTERMNET -DSHAREDIR='"/usr/local/lib/term"' -DVERSION=2
0305 -c utils.c -o utils.o
In file included from includes.h:364,
from utils.c:12:
term_main.h:241: conflicting types for `strerror'
/usr/include/string.h:177: previous declaration of `strerror'
utils.c: In function `strerror':
utils.c:290: conflicting types for `sys_errlist'
/usr/include/stdio.h:221: previous declaration of `sys_errlist'
utils.c: In function `recvfrom_into_buff':
utils.c:484: warning: passing arg 1 of `strerror' makes pointer from
integer wit
hout a cast
make: *** [utils.o] Error 1
================
my system is installed from redhat 5.2 with kernel v. 2.0.36.
>From the doc of term-2.3.5, it requires tools-2.11 or higher.
I've got the source of tools-2.11 from suniste, after compile
the source, how to proceed the installation?
Thanks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Johnston)
Subject: Re: Image Viewer Applications
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 01:05:19 GMT
There are the drawing editors of ivtools to consider. ivtools
drawtool can launch on TIFF, XBM, JPEG (with djpeg), GIF (with
giftopnm), PBM/PGM/PPM, and arbitrary PostScript (with pstoedit). It
can import from any filter that can convert to one of these formats.
ivtools flipbook adds multi-frame flipbook/slideshow capability. They
both support access of raster files by URL using w3c, curl, or ivtools
ivdl. After loading they are rather fast at manipulating the images.
http://www.vectaport.com/ivtools/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (L J Bayuk)
Subject: Re: Apache and different users
Date: 24 Feb 1999 02:00:42 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (L J Bayuk) writes:
>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >...
>> >I got mod_userdir.c compiled in. So it must be somewhere else.
>> >...
>> >I've tried all the above, without any luck I'm afraid. Any more tips?
>>
>> Doesn't your Apache error log give you any hints as to why the
>> http://host/~user URLs aren't working?
>
>Yes. It says that it can't find
>/usr/local/apache/htdocs/<USER>/public_html ??
>
>So what should I do?
Check again:
(1) Did you give it the right URL form like http://hostname/~username
(2) Does your config file have the correct "UserDir public_html"
rather than something wrong like "UserDir /public_html"?
Other than that, I'm out of ideas.
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From: "Douglas C. Holland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Netscape fonts
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:03:10 -0700
Peter Granroth wrote:
>
> Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > David Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Install xfstt and find a source for TTF fonts. It is easy to set up
> > > the true-type font server and then you have a lot of choices for your
> > > Netscape fonts. I took the fonts from my CorelDraw CD and a few other
> > > places. As a matter of fact, if you dual-boot Win() and Linux, you can
> > > simply link the /usr/ttfont directory to your windows/fonts directory:
> > > works great!
> >
> > how do you change the sizes of the TTFs in netscape? i just get the
> > `choice' of size 0.
>
> enter the size you want in the little box beneath the menu button?
> (should work, altough i don't have xfstt installed, so I can't verify
> it)
That does work, but if you close & restart netscape, it won't remember
your font sizes.
A more permanent way is to use -dpi switch when starting your X server,
& to use the --res switch when starting xfstt.
<blatant self promotion>
You might want to take a look at my Font Deuglification HOW-TO, at
http://www.frii.com/~meldroc/Font-Deuglification.html.
</blatant self promotion>
--
Doug Holland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 23 Feb 1999 20:08:21 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Tobin) writes:
>
>> I write free software, but why on earth should I want to spend my time
>> making life easier for people who earn twice as much as me?
>
>Because the corporate programmer often writes complete crap, and then
>ships it.
>
>If we give them more pieces of the puzzle, we might end up with more
>reliable commercial software.
Sorry, it doesn't parse. How many times did we see your comments on
bugtraq re "damnit, folks, we had fixed that bug back in '96 and you *still*
have it in your tree"?
There are bloody good reasons to use BSD license (and there are bloody
good reasons to use GPL in other cases), but hoping that corporate programmers
will produce better code... What makes you think that good code will propagate
if in many cases your own fixes do not propagate into closely related trees?
I don't deride corporate programmers, but I have *much* more reasons to
respect abilities of David Greenman than ones of J. A. Foobar of Acme Inc.
Excuse me, but I'm afraid that main problem with shitty commercial software
being not a lack of good code to copy but inability to see that their own code
is shitty (or don't giving a shit about the quality/security issues).
[snip]
>www.OpenBSD.org -- We're fixing security problems so you can sleep at night.
'xactly.
--
"You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!"
"Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert.
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From: Morten Ranheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Apache and different users
Date: 22 Feb 1999 17:18:49 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Todd Knarr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Morten Ranheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
> Well, I'm running 1.3.1, but it shouldn't have changed from there to
> 1.3.4. You might want to try doing
>
> /usr/sbin/httpd -l
>
> and making sure that mod_userdir.c is listed. The only thing I can think
> of is that it wasn't compiled in for some insane reason.
I got mod_userdir.c compiled in. So it must be somewhere else.
> > Do I need to do chmod stuff or...?
>
> Depending. If the Web server user can't read the files, it can't serve
> them, but you shouldn't need anything special beyond making sure that
> the files can be read ( making them a+r should do it ).
>
> Now, remember that the proper URL for this would be something like:
>
> http://www.domain.com/~username/
>
> If you try doing something like:
>
> http://www.domain.com/username/
>
> you'll be accessing the username directory below the server root, not
> the public_html directory for username. There is no way around this,
> other than making symlinks in the server root directory to the user's
> public_html directories.
I've tried all the above, without any luck I'm afraid. Any more tips?
Thanks in advance.
--
Morten Ranheim
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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