Linux-Misc Digest #155, Volume #19 Tue, 23 Feb 99 20:13:10 EST
Contents:
Re: Filtering ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: WINE - Windows Emulator (Uwe Bonnes)
Xgen on linux (Jean-Baptiste Cazier)
Re: DVD ("matthew.r.pavlovich.1")
Re: Appletalk, anyone? (Graffiti)
Re: How do u mount a ZipDrive? (Michael Creasy)
Re: loosing diskspace!! (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Re: Going from Win 98 and Office 97 to Linux and ???? (Mick Costa)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (John S. Dyson)
Re: Best version of Netscape 4.5 (Jason Stokes)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (John S. Dyson)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (John S. Dyson)
Re: Help, need to print. (Jason Clifford)
Re: Partition Magic? ("Mansion Wong")
Re: Problems while installing HP-Deskjet 720C (Peter.vanHelden)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.solaris,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc
Subject: Re: Filtering
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:16:33 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Kerry J. Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This question might be a bit off topic, but I'm looking for either
> Open Source or a commercial filtering product that we can stick on a
> proxy box. We have some of our older customers complaining about some
> of the mail coming through as well as some of the web sites easily
> accessible from off the Internet. Can someone either direct me to some
> URLs, give me some recommendations, or offer some of their own
> experiences. Money really isn't an object here. Our customers are
> willing to pay.
SurfWatch has a proxy version. You probably want the "Standard Edition".
(The "Professional Edition", ironically, is designed to filter not only
offensive stuff but "unproductive" stuff, so in case your employees
aren't acting like professionals, you can pretend you're fixing the
problem by installing some software with "Professional" in its title!)
Strangely, it doesn't seem to support squid (though there is a FireWall-1
edition, which is nice I guess).
http://www.surfwatch.com/products/server/standard.html is the URL.
There are other titles listed at
http://dir.yahoo.com/Business_and_Economy/Companies/Computers/Software/Intern
et/Blocking_and_Filtering/Titles/ Of course, most of them are going to be
products that only run on Windows.
- Logan
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From: Uwe Bonnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WINE - Windows Emulator
Date: 23 Feb 1999 22:46:52 GMT
David Cornelius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Actually, please either respond here or email me too. I'm sure there
: are others equally interested.
Read more on comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine.
And the techno-inside-babble on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bye
--
Uwe Bonnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt
========= Tel. 06151 162516 ======== Fax. 06151 164321 ==========
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From: Jean-Baptiste Cazier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Xgen on linux
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:10:01 +0100
Hej !
Anybody succeeded to compile Xgen on a linux box ?
I have a RedHat5.2 linux, I downloaded the Xgen.tar.Z file from
www.nobjects.com, but I cannot compile it.
I tried to reach the author or any official support for the package, but
with no more success.
I have also been looking for a rpm package. But i did not found any.
Any kind of help will be appreciated.
Thanks
J-Baptiste
--
========================================================
Jean-Baptiste CAZIER PhD Student
http://www.tv.slu.se/dok/cazier.htm
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From: "matthew.r.pavlovich.1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: DVD
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:18:01 -0500
I am working on a project to bring DVD playback support to Linux. Right
now my project is focused around the DVD add-on card for the Matrox G200
series cards. http://pulsar.doobie.org (It is down now, but will be up
later today.)
I was contacted by the head guy at Sigma Designs. They are very
interested in having their card supported under Linux. At first it seemed
like we were going to have a joint project, but I have not heard back
from them in several weeks. The last message I recieved was that they
were looking into doing the driver themselves. (That is bad, because it
probably won't abide by the V4L2 API and they'll have to make a release
for every kernel version.)
The support for reading DVD movies off of DVD drives is still in heavy
development. My initial goal is to read an MPEG-II off the hard drive and
have it displayed out the TV-Out module, then loop it into my TV card.
This way I don't have to debug an application and a driver at the same
time.
-Matt
On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, Damien Ercole wrote:
> Hi all .....
> I have a Hollywood+ mpeg II decoder card and I was
> wondering if there is anyway to use it under linux
> to play DVD movies ?
> I went on SigmaDesign site (the Hollywood card
> manufacturer) and I tried to find some kind of driver for
> linux but they don't have anything (except for windows)
> Can any one tell me if a driver exists for linux ?
>
> Thanx
>
> Damien
>
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From: Graffiti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Appletalk, anyone?
Date: 23 Feb 1999 15:18:47 -0800
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Tommy Johnsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have seen some iMacs delivered with an Ethernet card built in. If that is
>the case it almost is a child's game to configure TCP/IP for the MAC. The
>problem in this case, if you are using SAMBA to share files and printers,
>is that the Mac does not have any built in support for the SMB network.
[snip]
No problem. Have the Linux box make the SMB stuff available as AppleTalk
services. Just make sure the Linux box sees the printers, file servers, etc.,
and then make then visible to the Macs. Requires a bit of fiddling, but
works.
>On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Aaron Dershem wrote:
[snip]
>> I notice on boot-up that AppleTalk is started, but can't find any
>> documentation on how to configure it. I was having trouble with Samba, but
>> read a lot of the manuals and figured it out all by myself (I'm so proud of
>> me!), but can't find anything to do with Apple.
Try search for netatalk on Yahoo!
Also, I'd suggest you try the "development" stuff, the n-1997whatever tarball
instead of the 1.4b2, if you intend to use MacOS 8, or at least apply the
patches for the "dancing icons" bug.
-- DN
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From: Michael Creasy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do u mount a ZipDrive?
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:09:35 +0000
What sort of ZipDrive do you have ? There are differnet methods for
each one. Is an internal (IDE/ATAPI or SCSI) or an external (Parallel
port, USB or SCSI) ?
Michael
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I have a friend who says it may be possible to mount a ZipDrive in Linux/Unix.
> Is this possible?
> If it is can you give some idea on how to do it?
> Thanks
> Shawn
>
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: loosing diskspace!!
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:00:32 -0600
Marko Brandes wrote:
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> we're running SuSE-Linux 5.0 with kernel 2.0.36 on our PC. He is acting
> as a backup-,file-, print- and faxserver.
> Our problem is, that we're loosing up to 10MB of disk space a day.
> How knows where linux is writing these 10MB?
> I've checked already the log files, they are not the problem. But i'm
> wondering that under the directory '/tmp' many directories named
> './kbtmp[#]' are created. Within there are very big files. Does it
> affect the system if i delete them?
>
> Please help ... we're running out of space in a few days and it's
> essential to keep the server running in our office.
>
> Tia, Marko
Doesn't hurt, I've deleted dozens of them. If you try to delete an
active one it will tell you so and refuse to do so. mc works great to
do this.
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From: Mick Costa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Going from Win 98 and Office 97 to Linux and ????
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:19:31 -0500
Sniper wrote:
>
> Ok, heres the deal, got a Toshiba 310 CDT, currently running Windows
> 98, office 97, agent, Outlook 98 etc etc.
>
> I'm seriously thinking about going over to Linux, but, every document
> I produce, must be portable over to office.
>
> 1. Is red had 5.2 a good choice for a Toshoba laptop, or will I have
> problems with drivers, Infra red USB etc.
I haven't used Linux on a laptop, but I would guess that you will likely
have some problems with USB (I don't think it's available in Linux
yet).
>
> 2. What can I use application wise that's not going to involve a huge
> leap from Office ? and provide backwards compatibility with Word and
> Excel 97 ?
I use StarOffice for the most part (http://www.stardivision.com). It
imports/exports most office documents, although I believe that it
doesn't handle ALL Office features. For most mainstream uses, it does
fine. You can also get Corel's WordPerfect for Linux (free for personal
use, as is StarOffice). While I did download it, I haven't got around
to using it since I've been happy with StarOffice (also StarOffice
includes spreadsheet, presentation, etc., capabilities). I haven't
tried Applixware at all, but have heard some good things about it.
You'll have to get another e-mail client, since I don't think that
Outlook runs on Linux (??). I use KDE and am pretty happy with the
simple e-mail client. You could also use Netscape with its e-mail
client if you wanted (there's lots of choices).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 23 Feb 1999 22:58:59 GMT
In article <7auv67$10b$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Graffiti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In article <7aqbvg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> John S. Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In article <7aq4b8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Viro) writes:
> [snip]
>>> John, I hate to do it, but combination of RMS-style rants with Dave Hayes'
>>> ones is really over the top. TINC. Sorry.
>>>
>>Sorry about your attitude about free software, but there are little,
> [snip]
>
> Geesh, why is it I'm seeing more and more people reply to plonks, and with the
> *plonk* removed?
>
Because the audiance isn't just that person. PLONK is a way of saying
shut-up, and indeed often shows intolerance.
*PLONK* :-).
--
John | Never try to teach a pig to sing,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | it makes one look stupid
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | and it irritates the pig.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Stokes)
Crossposted-To: linux.news,linux.redhat.misc,alt.os.linux,aus.computers.linux
Subject: Re: Best version of Netscape 4.5
Date: 23 Feb 1999 14:26:31 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Taylor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The beauty of Fortify is that is contains no encryption algorithms, so
>doesn't have the export restrictions of the 128-bit version (which you
>probably shouldn't have in France. :)
The law probably disagrees with you. According to the README file, it
contains the "information" on how to modify Netscape's internal
encryption algorithms to use 128 bit long keys, and gives Netscape this
functionality by performing a binary patch on the Netscape executable.
This is extremely legally iffy: in fact, it is, in my opinion, quite
clearly illegal: consider the following:
US export controls on cryptographic software.
Recently passed US laws banning reverse engineering of software.
International copyright law which protects the license given to you
with Netscape which forbids you from modifying or reverse engineering
the software.
--
Jason Stokes: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 23 Feb 1999 22:41:25 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens) writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson) wrote:
>
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens) writes:
>>>
>>> The only thing that the GPL prevents but which BSD license allows
>>> is for one developer to exploit the work of another developer by
>>> taking code which was given as "free for use" and turning it
>>> into a proprietory product which is no longer free (under any
>>> definition of the word free).
>>>
>>:-). So, you are pro-marketeer exploitation, but against other
>>developers? You just might start getting it.
>
> The point is that with BSD and GPL you cannot stop it, so there
> is no point making an issue of it. Claiming that GPL is bad (in
> relation to BSD) because it allows it is nonsense because
> BSD also allows it.
>
Okay, but GPL supports the marketeers at the expense of programmers.
>
> Futhermore I am not against other developers. Only against
> those who wish to take something that is freely available and
> deny others access to it.
>
You cannot take something that is freely available and deny others
to have access to it. That is just not practical. That is a
silly argument to say that any license corrects such a problem that
doesn't exist.
>>>
>>> The BSD license may be "cool"
>>> for _some_ developers because it allows them to put together
>>> a proprietory product with less work then would otherwise be
>>> the case; but it provides nothing to the original developer.
>>>
>>It is cool, because it ends up being a mass of free software
>>for everyone to use, and profit from. Not just the ones who
>>are on the ends of the food chain. You forget that the pie
>>expands, it isn't fixed size.
>
> But if all the derivations end up as proprietory then the pool
> does not expand. Actually it contracts because the freely
> available software is of relatively less use.
>
The original free work is still available (unless it is of no use
anymore.) The new developer only has to improve the original work
to the same level as the others in order to become competitive. The
STUPID developers minimially enhancing the works will not be
competitive in this senario. This gives the excellent developers
more leverage against the marketeers to get more of the $$$. GPL
takes away the middle level competition from the developers.
>>>
>>> And exactly what is it in the BSD style license which
>>> prevents the "marketeers" from doing exactly the same
>>> thing with BSD code? Nothing, except that you don't
>>> notice that their doing it, because the code has
>>> been rewrapped under a proprietory label.
>>>
>>Heh :-). I like the marketeers, but the programmers should
>>also be on even footing, right?
>
> That depends what you mean by even footing. GPL still
> allows the original author to retain rights to create a
> proprietory offshoot of his/her own work. Do you object
> to this?
>
Of course not, but it sure isn't free software. In the case
where a work is not going to be Net owned and significantly
enhanced, then GPL is okay. The original developer can easily
get screwed by lots of modifications to the original work being
predominant. Then, he must cleanroom redesign the mods to keep
his proprietary edge that he thought that he was reserving.
Note, one reason for this silly flamage is to get people THINKING
about the ramifications. Corrections (or not) to the course
will not be well thought out without people really thinking and
following people such as Linus (or much worse RMS) like lemmings.
>>>
>>Except that the GPL limits the productivity of other
>>programmers, and eventually can taint a work so bad
>>that the original author cannot use it in a proprietary
>>fashion (effectively not owning it anymore.) The marketeers
>>win!!! Can you say patsy? I thought you could :-).
>
> The original author can _always_ use their own work
> in further proprietory derivations. It also protects the
> original author in that it prevents others from deriving
> proprietory works from it.
>
It does not protect the original author from authors of
derived works out marketeering him. The original author
cannot JUST TAKE BACK IN such GPLed modifications and
treat them as if he owned the license on them. (well,
he can, but he would be violating other authors rights.)
The above is the reason for FSF requiring assignment. As
a little (I don't mean that in a bad way) developer, you
just might not have the influence to get the assignments.
>>>
>>> Exactly the same as happens with BSD except you
>>> don't notice it because one copyright notice when
>>> the machine boots is all that is required.
>>>
>>Who cares about copyright notices? I care about income
>>for programmers. I also care about a mechanism for innovation
>>being compensated. I care much less about mass marketing,
>>because it will take care of itself (and has been by the
>>use of GPL against the middle layer, but often most innovative
>>programmers.)
>
> So why the diatribes against marketeers? They don't choose
> which license a piece of software is release under. They
> don't use the GPL against programmers. Any body of software
> which is freely distributable will provide the opportunity to
> set up and make money from distribution.
>
There is NOTHING wrong with marketeers, but they are very
opportunistic. In such cases, the marketeers and false support
firms (who mostly perform true support of the level of Microsoft
or less), have an advantage over the programmers, because the
programmers time to add-on is not allowed to be a significant
part of their leverage.
>
> So when it does reach 1% you will accept that the GPL
> is a good thing (TM).
>
Nope, but just showing how little development that a marketeer
can get by with.
>>>
>>> I'm sure the FSF would be very interested in this. That
>>> is, assuming you have hard evidence to back up your
>>> claims.
>>>
>>Yep. I have asked support companies for the GPLed works
>>that they give to customers. They don't have to, because
>>they won't give me binaries. They win!!! With GPL, the
>>endpoints always win over developers. It is because
>>developers ask for no respect, when they sell out to
>>GPL'ites.
>
> So what you are saying that if you are prepared to be
> slightly underhand about it (i.e. not distributing the
> derived work) you can make money on works
> derived from GPL. You are attacking the GPL
> because it does what you want it to do. What a
> strange world we live in.
>
Of course, GPL doesn't even nearly aspire to the faux-goals
that it has. It is an inconsistant and unwise license for
both developers to use or work on. Initially, it can help
the ORIGINAL developer and marketeer. Eventually, if it
becomes significant on the net, then it is mostly just the
marketeer who wins. It is a false sense of security for
developers, and great for people with significant names
and marketeers. (Oh, that's right, those people with
significant names are part of the group of marketeers!!!) :-).
>>
>>>
>>> As long as you maintain a clear separation between what is
>>> and what is not GPL then you can make all the investment
>>> you want, without any problem. The problem is that you
>>> want to use someone else's work as your code base and
>>> the GPL won't allow you to do that.
>>>
>>You shouldn't use "you" in the above statement. Derived
>>works are tainted by the GPL (per RMS.) Until case law
>>is created, that is probably a good thing to believe.
>
> Isn't your whole problem with the GPL that you (and others)
> cannot create proprietory derived works from GPL code.
> Unless I am mistaken on this the word "you" in the above
> seems to me to be totally appropriate.
>
It is best to be conservative in interpretations of licenses,
unless you want to play games with the legal system. I would
be surprised if 10% of my relevent work would be proprietary
and 90% would be released. In the BSD land, that is probably
generally true. GPL isn't really necessary (or applicable)
to force code into the public arena.
>>>
>>Do you believe the last sentence that you said? Wow!!! I thought
>>that restrictions are restrictions and encumberances, and not
>>a "benefit." Since violating that doesn't hurt ANYONE, then
>>there seems to be a fallacy somewhere... Can you find it?
>>"IS IS". :-).
>
> Of course it hurts the original author. They made the source
> code available on the understanding that it would not end
> up in a proprietory product. Or are you one of those believe
> that there is nothing wrong with software piracy?
>
Nope, but a copy of software is not a resource that can be
depleted. If a piece of software isn't free, then embargoing
the software, which GPL initially supports for the original
author, is okay. However, GPL doesn't really support the
original author in that area as much as the marketeers.
>>>
>>> If you want to make a proprietory product don't base it on
>>> GPL code; write it yourself.
>>>
>>If you want to produce free software, don't base it on GPL
>>code, write it yourself. If you want to profit from your
>>inventiveness, then don't base it on GPL, write it yourself.
>
> Wow. You seem finally to have grasped the basic concepts.
>
I have known this all along.
>
>>It seems that writing code based upon GPLed works is a loosing
>>investment, since it appears to show little confidence in ones
>>own creative abilities.
>
> There are many other bad investment decisions you can take.
> Wanting to derive proprietory code from GPL isn't the only one.
>
And investing significant amounts of your time and life mean that
it is not just folly but STUPID to have GPL anywhere near your
works. Of course, GPL is great for knock-off code, but not for
innovative stuff. I do the innovative stuff where 100 lines of
code can cost as much time as writing an entire grep program.
Innovative programmers should stay as far away from GPL as
possible.
--
John | Never try to teach a pig to sing,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | it makes one look stupid
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | and it irritates the pig.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 23 Feb 1999 22:20:41 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 22 Feb 1999, Theo de Raadt wrote:
>
>> I would suggest you start reading what John is saying, and turn your
>> socialist idealogy off for a minute. Socialism does not apply to
>> everything.
>
> Nothing I have ever read from Linus indicates that he is a socialist. In
> fact quite the reverse.
>
Using a statement like "I am not a socialist", and acting like a socialist,
shows inconsitancy. He is similarly inconsitant.
Don't look at what people say in such claims, look at what they do (using
GPL.) Actually, in a sense he might not be a socialist, but more an
opportunist, while setting up a socialistic framework for others.
There have been "socialistic" communities in the past (and some still
existing) that demonstrate that behavior. Some people are notoriously
ignorant of the realities vs. the idealism associated with socialism.
--
John | Never try to teach a pig to sing,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | it makes one look stupid
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | and it irritates the pig.
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help, need to print.
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:05:59 +0000
On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, Chad M. Townsend wrote:
> Of course I'm the only one in my company that uses a linux box instead of
> that other os. I have a HP LaserJet 4000 N on the LAN which I am connected.
> Could someone point me in the right direction so I can print. I've read the
> How-To's and that just confused me more. Where do I start ... SMB?
The HP 4000N supports direct lpr printing. Try simply setting it up as a
remote lpr printer with the HP LaserJet printer filter.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: "Mansion Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Partition Magic?
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Date: 22 Feb 1999 09:53:57 +0500
Can you explain in detail how to load linux from NT loader ?
What needs to be modified in boot.ini ?
I am interested because my LILO cannot find the MBR in my primary
DOS partition and hence refuse to install.
Thanks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter.vanHelden)
Subject: Re: Problems while installing HP-Deskjet 720C
Date: 22 Feb 1999 15:34:20 GMT
Yep. Look for a tool called 'pbm2ppa' on the net, iirc the one included with
SuSE 5.3 doesn't work. AFAIK it currently doesn't support colour printing.
Peter
Thomas B�scher ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I've bought today a new printer ....and now...
: Is there anyone out there, who has experience in installing a
: Deskjetprinter with SuSE-Linux 5.3?
: Many greetings
: Thomas B�scher
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