Linux-Misc Digest #163, Volume #19 Wed, 24 Feb 99 12:13:16 EST
Contents:
X with XFree86 3.3.3-1 problem ("Joe Farkas")
Re: Extract files from RPM Package in DOS OS?? (Marc D. Williams)
Re: desktop indepenent xinfo browser (Marc D. Williams)
Re: Midnight Commander ("Robert C. Paulsen, Jr.")
Re: glibc-2.0.7 anywhere?? (Charles Mulks)
Re: Should IBM port Visual Age for Java to Linux? (Jay O'Connor)
Looking for a global supported hardware doc (David GUYON MARTIN)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. ("Eric Peterson")
Re: loosing diskspace!! (Cajun)
Re: More bad news for NT (Harry)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Bill Vermillion)
Re: tar slows to a crawl ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
I'm baffled with these ... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux Users in Houston TX (Brian Feldman)
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From: "Joe Farkas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: X with XFree86 3.3.3-1 problem
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:23:45 -0500
I have installed Redhat 5.2, which runs fine. I then RPM'd XFree86 3.3.3-1
files over using -ivh, including the SVGA server. This appeared to work
also. When running XF86 Setup, in the SVGA card list I expected to see the
diamond stealth 2 S220. This card is supported in teh XFree86 3.3.3-1. Did
I miss a step somewhere? I think -i should have installed the package,
looked normal, with ########## accross the screen, then the normal ending
message. Does anyone know what other steps I need to take that I missed to
get this server installed so that the diamond Stealth 2S220 card shows up in
the window when running XF86 setup? I also tried XConfig with no luck.
??????
Thanks, Joe Farkas
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marc D. Williams)
Subject: Re: Extract files from RPM Package in DOS OS??
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 24 Feb 1999 13:22:18 -0800
On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:47:37 -0500, Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>My question is this. Is it possible to extract the files from an RPM in
>a DOS environment and what tools are required to do this? Remember that
>no Linux programs for RPM can be used and no installation via tar balls
>can be accomplished either. vA search has resulted in nothing to be
>found.
>
What's the problem concerning the tar balls? Can you not use
gzip/gunzip and tar?
There are utilities like unrpm which can extract without needing
rpm itself (rpm2cpio) but I never used it outside of Midnight Commander
(used to convert rpm to tgz and then install).
Since there's no DOS rpm utility I know of you need to be able to
convert the rpms in linux (or to something else DOS can handle (tgz or ?)).
You may be out of luck unless you have a site where you can upload
your rpms and have folks convert them for you.
But back to the ``no installation via tar balls'' thing.
Do you not have installpkg/pkgtool or are they just not working?
Ach, it's 4am. I'm probably not making sense anyway. :-)
--
>>ANIME SENSHI<<
Marc D. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.agate.net/~tvdog/internet.html -- DOS Internet
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Platform/8269/ -- Windows 3.x Makeover
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marc D. Williams)
Subject: Re: desktop indepenent xinfo browser
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 24 Feb 1999 13:22:15 -0800
On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:25:44 -0330, Neil Zanella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Hello,
>I am looking for a desktop independent graphical info browser for info files
>analogous to xman. Is there any such program out there which was not
>developed for any particular desktop?
Try TkInfo. Not bad. Requires tk/tcl libraries.
--
>>ANIME SENSHI<<
Marc D. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.agate.net/~tvdog/internet.html -- DOS Internet
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Platform/8269/ -- Windows 3.x Makeover
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From: "Robert C. Paulsen, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Midnight Commander
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:09:29 -0600
Harry wrote:
>
> I'm new to Linux and Midnight Commander is the only "Explorer-like"
> file utility I've come across, but I'm having a hard time with it.
> Is it worth persevering with? Here are a couple of problems I have
> with it that someone might be able to help with:
>
> If I type the following letters to describe a file filter, they come
> out in the following order:
>
> I type P-C-I
>
> It comes out P-I-C (after the second letter, the cursor keeps moving
> back)
This does not happen to me.
>
> The second problem is that I can't figure out how to "get info" on a
> file. If I use the right pane as info and the left as a listing, and
> highlight a file on the right pane, the left pane does not change.
> I've tried experimenting with different ways of getting info, but
> haven't worked out how to do it yet.
Until now, I didn't notice a problem with this. But, I only see the
problem when running in a terminal window under XF86, and only when
selecting a file by clicking with a mouse. If I use arrow keys to get to
a file, the info window updates. If I am running at a tty console (e.g.
Ctrl-Alt-F1) it all works OK.
I guess I never noticed the problm since I tenf to be using the keyboard
with mc.
>
> Harry
Check to see if you have a recent level of mc. Mine is 4.1.36. When
working properly, mc is one great file manager!
--
Robert Paulsen http://paulsen.home.texas.net
If my return address contains "ZAP." please remove it. Sorry for the
inconvenience but the unsolicited email is getting out of control.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Mulks)
Crossposted-To: gnu.gcc.help,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: glibc-2.0.7 anywhere??
Date: 24 Feb 1999 13:28:06 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>I'm trying to find a consistent set of 2.0.7 glibc libraries.
>I've found various pre-releases, but can't find a consistent
>set. I need the main code, localedata, threads and crypt.
>I tried 2.0.7-pre3 with pre4 crypt, but it failed trying to
>find the <bits/lib-locks.h>.
>
>Can anyone point me to a consistent set of 2.0.7 set of
>sources, or better still, a binary installation?
>
>Please e-mail me directly on [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or reply to
>this...).
>
>Thanks,
>
>Karl
>
http://rufus.w3.org/linux/RPM/redhat/5.2/i386/glibc-2.0.7-29.i386.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jay O'Connor)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.lang.smalltalk
Subject: Re: Should IBM port Visual Age for Java to Linux?
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:08:56 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 24 Feb 1999 03:11:43 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Reality is a
point of view) wrote:
> +---- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (Wed, 24 Feb 1999 01:36:50 GMT):
> | ObjectShare did a presentation at the January North Texas Linux Users
> | Group meeting, and left us with a few Zip disks with copies of the
> | "freely deployable" portions.
> +----
>
>As there seems to be some confusion let me quote from
>ObjectShare's recent announcement (on commercial VW, not VWNC).
>
> From: Brenda Friederich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Newsgroups: comp.lang.smalltalk
> Subject: Announcing VisualWorks 3.0 on Linux
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:21:23 -0800
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>[...]
> OBJECTSHARE ANNOUNCES VISUALWORKS 3.0 FOR LINUX
> First Complete Enterprise Development Environment For Red Hat Linux
>[...]
> powerful. VisualWorks has been available as a non-commercial product on
> the Linux platform since September of 1998.
>[...]
> Pricing and Availability
> VisualWorks 3.0 for Linux will be available in a commercial edition in
> the first quarter of 1999, supporting Red Hat Linux 5.x on the Intel
> processors. Special introductory pricing of $495 will be offered for a
> limited time for development licenses on Linux. Deployment licenses for
> the Linux version will also be available from ObjectShare.
>[...]
>
>Note the use of "deployment licenses". It is my understanding
>that this is an issue under debate within ObjectShare, and
>dropping deployment licensing may occur. Hopefully a decision
>will be reached before a certain convention in early March . . .
>
>As there have also been rumblings about IBM announcements
>pertaining to GNU/Linux it seems possible that they too may
>have announcements of interest, even for VA Smalltalk. While
>quality development tools, even at MIS prices, are welcome it
>is likely that deployment licenses would not be well received.
It depends on what they mean by 'development' versus 'deployment'
For example, look at Dolphin Smalltalk's structure. YOu can have a
back version for free. A personal use up to date version for a
nominal fee or you can pay more and get the packaging tools needed to
deploy the application
In other words, the development license may apply to internal work or
maybe 'open source' work (althought I think the NC version would cover
that) and the deployment license may apply if you want to shrink-wrap
and sell the application.
I don't think ObjectShare would try to apply runtime licenses,
ParcPlace seemed to get burned on that already.
As far as IBM and VA-Smalltalk though, if they do releease it I hope
they use there VA-Java pricing structure
>--
>Gary Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Privacy on the net is still illegal.
Take care,
Jay O'Connor
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.roadrunner.com/~joconnor
http://www.ezboard.com
"God himself plays on the bass strings first, when he tunes the soul"
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From: David GUYON MARTIN <"d.gm"@francemel.com(please_no_spam)>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux
Subject: Looking for a global supported hardware doc
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:15:16 +0100
I am looking for a doc with all the hardware currently supported by
Linux
- mainboards
- video cards
- sound cards
- network cards
- mice, ...
I guess I could look in each FAQ for each part of the system, but I am
not sure that all will be up to date !
As I'm going to buy a box specialy for Linux I don't want to get
troubles with an unsupported yet video card...
Thanks for you help, crawling over the web didn't help me much!
David
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From: "Eric Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: 24 Feb 1999 14:24:55 GMT
Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
> Games programming has obviously sucked up the lion's share of bad
> programmers.
>
Al least they're not writing the code that runs our medical equipment!
--
Eric F. Peterson
Politically Incorrect and Proud!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cajun)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: loosing diskspace!!
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:39:30 GMT
Use the command:
du -sk * |more
It will tell you, in kilobytes, how much space each directory is
using. Start at the root dir, and work your way down the tree, until
you isolate the problem.
On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:00:32 -0600, Jerry Lynn Kreps
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Marko Brandes wrote:
>>
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>> we're running SuSE-Linux 5.0 with kernel 2.0.36 on our PC. He is acting
>> as a backup-,file-, print- and faxserver.
>> Our problem is, that we're loosing up to 10MB of disk space a day.
>> How knows where linux is writing these 10MB?
>> I've checked already the log files, they are not the problem. But i'm
>> wondering that under the directory '/tmp' many directories named
>> './kbtmp[#]' are created. Within there are very big files. Does it
>> affect the system if i delete them?
>>
>> Please help ... we're running out of space in a few days and it's
>> essential to keep the server running in our office.
>>
>> Tia, Marko
>
>Doesn't hurt, I've deleted dozens of them. If you try to delete an
>active one it will tell you so and refuse to do so. mc works great to
>do this.
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From: Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:21:24 -0500
Alas I have no choice but to put NT on the server! Microsoft's
network strategy means you get the real benefit of NT on the desktop
only if you have NT end-to-end. But I'm investigating the use of
Samba to mix NT and Linux on a network. Why do you think I'm here!
Harry
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Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:31:23 GMT
In article <7b0bff$5bn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matt Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>:In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>:Richard Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>:>Here in comp.os.linux.misc, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson)
>:>spake unto us, saying:
>:>>So was BSD, but it wasn't a knock-off, but the real thing. There is
>:>>little to be gained from reinvention.
>:>It depends. It's quite possible that a reimplementation could
>:>uncover a new and more effective approach not found in the
>:>original, or perhaps avoid old baggage or existing problems found
>:>in the original.
>:>Both are potentially large gains.
> The downside is as big as the upside, unfortunately. The Linux
> kernel has a long ways to go before it catches up to the
> scaleability of FreeBSD. That isn't to say that it's bad in any
> way, just that it does not have enough of a history to work out
> all the problems and is making many of the same mistakes that
> were fixed in BSD 15 years ago.
What is interesting is looking at the dates on many of the FreeBSD
souces. Many go right back to the time of the original release.
Other have been modified, and who modified it and when are also
there.
The only thing I'd like to see is that if/when the originals are
changed there would be a one line comment, as used to be done
quite often in the old comp.sources, of time, data, modifier, and
what was done. Not a big deal - but I surely liked it in the past.
Not having looked at all of these maybe it's just the ones I looked
at didn't have the comments.
--
Bill Vermillion bv @ wjv.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: tar slows to a crawl
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:29:03 GMT
Topi Maenpaa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a weird problem with tar. It has been working fine for a long time,
> but now it needs two hours to open a 13MB archive. It extracts three or
Strip all the NIS entries out of /etc/nsswitch.conf
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:14:16 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> >>>>> "Darin" == Darin Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Darin> Thomas Joynt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> 1) Games generally use bleeding-edge technology that is by it's
> >> very nature unstable and error prone. They're often trying to
> >> do something "new and improved", which means *unproved*.
>
> Darin> There's also a different attitude to games programmers.
> Darin> Back when I used Amiga a lot, there were often games that
> Darin> kicked out the OS, require rebooting of the game, broke
> Darin> when run on later models of the machine, refused to use or
> Darin> be installed on a hard disk (no matter how good the game,
> Darin> having to shutdown the system and reboot from floppy is
> Darin> going to make you hate it), etc. And inevitably, the
> Darin> developers would defend this practice as being perfectly
> Darin> appropriate. They'd say things like "but we have to get
> Darin> the fastest speed possible, otherwise you wouldn't play the
> Darin> game", and ironically, they'd be saying that about games
> Darin> that didn't look all that cpu intensive.
>
> Guess what ... things haven't changed at all. Games are still a major
> cause of panicked phone calls by users to tech support. "I played
> this game and now my video's all messed up." "I played this game and
> now I have no sound." "I was playing this game and it locked up so I
> had to reboot and now I have this blue screen that says `A Fatal
> Exception has occurred'."
>
> Games programming has obviously sucked up the lion's share of bad
> programmers.
>
> mp
>
> - --
> Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
> "Three hours a day will produce as much as a man ought to write."
Isn't this horse dead yet?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: I'm baffled with these ...
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:49:02 GMT
Hello All!
I have this entry on my /etc/hosts
127.0.0.1 localhost
192.168.10.1 myhost.mydomain <----my hostname
If i'll do,
# telnet localhost
I can telnet succesfully to my standalone machine.
But if I'll do.
#telnet myhost.mydomain
Trying 192.168.10.1...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable
It fails on the above message. Now what could be the problem?
Of course my hostname is myhost.mydomain .
Is this just normal?
Bud
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From: Brian Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Linux Users in Houston TX
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:44:27 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I would like to apologize for offending anyone in the group. My purpose
was not too p*ss anybody off. It was to speak w/ some Linux users about
a project I would like to start. The problem is that I need people w/
experience running Linux in a production environment and I did not want
people responding who do not have this experience. There are many
reasons why this experience is important that I will not go into at this
time.
As for anyone who believes that I am an ego maniac, you obviously do not
know me. I will be the first to admit my lack of Linux skills.
Brian
Andy Martinez wrote:
> Even if I was qualified with Linux like I am in other
> UNIX flavors, I would not submit myself to working
> with such an ego maniac like this poster.
>
> \t
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