Linux-Misc Digest #172, Volume #19 Thu, 25 Feb 99 07:13:21 EST
Contents:
Re: Multilink PPP in Linux with 2 x V90 = 105,333 bps? (Jason Clifford)
Re: Which HP DeskJet to buy/not to buy? - quick advice needed, please! (Clifford
Beshers)
Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
redhat w/ us west dsl or cox@home ("jas shultz")
Re: Under Hack Attack! (M. Buchenrieder)
Re: Canon BJC-4400 printer (Uncle Meat)
Re: Win95 + Linux Dual Installation Possible? (David Delikat)
Re: Problem with RH5.2 install - Kernel Panic ("fertile")
Logging out of a session ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (brian moore)
Re: Red Hat's sick sense of humor (support) ("Rich Mycroft")
Re: Can Applixware open Micorsoft Word formatted files (i.e. .doc (Bud Rogers)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Matt Dillon)
Re: These newsgroups are riduculous... (David M. Cook)
Re: Creating animated GIFs under Linux (David Martin)
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.x,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Multilink PPP in Linux with 2 x V90 = 105,333 bps?
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:18:40 +0000
On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, Doodle wrote:
> My ISP is using some beta patch made available to them by 3com. This
> patch on their end supports Win98's Multilink PPP connections. I want
> to know if anybody has managed to get Linux to make use of two V.90
> modems to get faster downloads.
As I understand it only Livingston Portmasters are compatible with Linux
EQL - this information is old though so I may be wrong.
I suspect that the best bet is for you to speak to your ISP and ask them
whether they support Linux EQL connections.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: Clifford Beshers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Which HP DeskJet to buy/not to buy? - quick advice needed, please!
Date: 23 Feb 1999 10:35:31 -0500
Rob van der Putten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi there
>
>
> On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, A.G. wrote:
>
> > Thanx for *any* input!
>
> I just called HP this morning;
> Appearently the HP 710 and 720 are winprinters.
> The officejet printers have a buildin scanner, but the printer part
> should work as a normal HP printer.
>
>
> Regards,
> Rob
>
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>
I just bought an 895Cxi and it seems to work fine with the ghostscript
cdj driver. I haven't yet tried to install a driver that supports the
890, which seems to be the closest. Images printed from NT came out
better because the HP driver was doing some color balancing, so I
print from NT still when I want good color, but I hope to repair that
soon...
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Clifford Beshers Computer Graphics and User Interfaces Lab
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Department of Computer Science
http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~beshers Columbia University
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:34:04 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jim McCusker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Matt O'Toole wrote:
> >
> > Ooh, now you're thinking. But, is that too much like a Winwizard? How
> > uncool...
>
> Except that the whole Red Hat setup process is linear, just like a
> winwizard. I mean, there are only so many ways to make an easy to use OS
> setup.
The Redhat installation has a LONG way to go before it's as easy as the
Windows98 setup. I am an experienced Linux user, having installed kernel
1.2.0 in July 1995. Last month I got a new hard drive and started from
scratch with brand new installations of Windows98 and Redhat 5.2. I had both
operating systems up and running in less than an afternoon, but I see that
Linux is still not for the squeemish. You have to read a ton of stuff, and
you have to know a lot of details about your system that the Windows setup
determines itself, particularly in the X-Windows area. Sure, XF86Setup
automates the process somewhat, and xvidtune helps to fine tune your
configuration, but there's no getting around the fact that you still have to
know a lot of the details yourself.
I'm still trying to sort through the various window manager documetation to
figure out which one I want to use...
I have nothing against using a command line or getting into the configuration
files with vi; I've done it for years. However, if there were an easier GUI
to use, no doubt I'd use it.
Bill Jones
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From: "jas shultz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: redhat w/ us west dsl or cox@home
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:47:06 -0700
I'm considering installing redhat linux (actually, i'm planning on replacing
win nt workstation with it). What I'm wondering is two things.
One, currently I have US West's DSL service. The adapter is a 3com Fast
EtherLink XL NIC and the network service is 3com dRMON SmartAgent PC
Software. If I install Redhat Linux (latest ver) will it recognize them upon
installation. The reason I wonder is because right now the HD is formated
for NTFS which means I'll have to format and install Redhat on a blank HD.
What if I use Linux Powertools 5.4? Would that work better? US West of
course says they don't support Linux and don't plan on it so they won't tell
me. . .
Finally, I'm considering signing up for Cox@home, does any1 have any
experience using this service with Redhat?
Jas
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Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,linux.admin.isp
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: Under Hack Attack!
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:56:05 GMT
Jukka-Pekka Suominen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[...]
>Here at school we have a linux box, and due to
>increased security needs telnetting to the box is no longer available.
>Instead we use ssh for remote connections. It should be a lot safer than
>telnet.
[...]
It is. Telnet connections transfer plain-text passwords. ssh doesn't .
Michael
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Note: If you want me to send you email, don't mungle your address.
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From: Uncle Meat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Canon BJC-4400 printer
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 05:18:21 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Has anyone gotten a canon bjc-4400 printer working with linux. I can print
> directly to the port but this is rather limiting. Although purchased for my
> wifes win95 use, I'd like to make use of it as well. I was able to print
> from staroffice and netscape twice, and I have no idea what I did
> differently, but it now just dumps crap to the paper. Any insight is
> appreciated or tips on where to go for information.
If you're using RH, there's a bug in the printfilter. Go into
/var/spool/lpd/lp and comment out the line that starts with 'COLOR=-' in
postscript.cfg. I have a BJC-610 and did it. I still get color (although
dark) and everything elses as well.
--
Didja get any onya?
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From: David Delikat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,alt.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Win95 + Linux Dual Installation Possible?
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:01:10 -0600
Slimbo wrote:
>
> Howdy,
> I have my system setup with win95 on primary amster and Linux on
> primary slave. I use loadlin instead of lilo. With loadlin I can launch it from
> an icon from the desktop, boot into a dos prompt and launch it, or press F5 to
> start previous version of dos and have it launch Linux. It's just my opion, but
> I like lodlin much better :)
> Bye for now,
> Slimbo
yes I used lodlin for a while too, and if you have to go back and forth
it is great, as long as you don't mind booting win* before getting into
linux
-dav
--
<((((><
Consultant: Internet, Database, Business Systems
Unix/Linux, Windows95/NT
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] / http://cfm.to/david-delikat
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From: "fertile" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problem with RH5.2 install - Kernel Panic
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:28:28 -0000
hmm ok ignore me , i am a newbie ..didnt read your message properly..
if its during the actual install then i honestly dont know...sorry about
that
kev
(just ignore anything i say from now on)
fertile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Well this may be the blind leading the blind here cause ive only had linux
> installed for a week ,but i had the identical error after i updated my
> kernel to 2.2.1
> then i realised i hadnt compiled in support for INITRD and using the
ramdisk
> at all..
> recompile your kernel and include support for this and see if it makes any
> difference..
> if not then if you could post a copy of your lilo.conf that might help..
>
> hope this helps.. id backup your shit first.. im a newbie :)
>
> kev
>
> Autometic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:7b304b$e9d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I have tried repeatedly to install Redhat 5.2 (using the floppy) but I
> > continue to get the following messages after which the machine
completely
> > hangs...
> >
> > RAMDISK:Compressed image found at block 0
> > crc error VFS: cannot open root device 08:22
> > Kernel Panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 08:22
> >
> > The 'real' installation program does not even start from there onward.
> >
> > I am currently still running WIN98.
> > My machine has 128mByte Ram
> >
> > I created correct partitions for Linux (starting prior to Cylinder 524).
I
> > have installed Debian Linux (old version) and it installs correctly.
> >
> > Would appreciate any help I can get on this.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> >
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Logging out of a session
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:59:06 GMT
Recently I was logged on as a user. When I was done, I wanted to log on
as root, so I attempted to logout with "exit" and got the response
logout
There are stopped jobs.
I assume this means certain processes are still active. If this happens
again, how do I determine what processes are still running and what do
I do to terminate them?
Don Cool
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 23 Feb 1999 05:17:31 GMT
On 22 Feb 1999 19:42:31 -0800,
Matt Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> :brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :>On 21 Feb 1999 22:06:41 GMT,
> :>
> :>And how does the BSD model do that? Does BSDI send you a check for
> :>every copy of BSDI sold? Does Walnut Creek give you a percentage of
> :>every CD sold? How about the code that is duplicated in the NetBSD and
> :>OpenBSD trees: do they share their revenue with you?
>
> Walnut Creek has thrown *millions* into FreeBSD. That's gratis money,
> no strings attached. It is directly funding a number of FreeBSD
> developers to write codepieces under the BSD copyright. It is obviously
> to WC's benefit to do so, since the more CD's they can sell the more
> profit they make themselves.
Indeed, I know that, Matt. Much like Red Hat, in fact, that funds
several programmers mainly because a good set of desktop applications
will help them sell more CD's. And, like Red Hat, they run a fine FTP
site and encourage people to download what they need.
Even if neither contributed directly, but just burned a pile of CD's,
they would still be helping, since a truckload of CD's has a lot more
bandwidth than the Internet. :)
(Which is why I think places like CheapBytes are valuable: they're not
making money on their $2 CD's, they sell them as loss leaders to get the
book and t-shirt and whatever market. But the $2 CD is incredibly
valuable in propogating software.)
> As a business story goes, the WC story is pretty unique. But it just goes
> to show that you can't keep a narrow mind when you try to prove a point
> one way or the other... there are many flavors of commercialism.
Um, please read the thread. I was arguing agains John's claim that
companies like Red Hat were exploiting programmers by using their works
for free. Red Hat exploits Linux as much as Walnut Creek exploits BSD:
not at all. Both offer the valuable service of distribution as well as
funding some projects. The fact that one can buy either Red Hat, Slack
(also a Walnut Creek product) and FreeBSD in most bookstores is because
of the hard work of Walnut Creek and Red Hat. (And this availability
helps them greatly: compare FreeBSD usage with Net or OpenBSD.)
John wrote in <7akfi1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> BTW, don't CDROM vendors, and Red Hat make money off of other people's
> work? Don't they take advantage of free labor, redistributing software
> under a license that gives them preferential treatment by making direct
> control of derived creative works more difficult. However, those who
> just copy software (not adding anything to it), get away scott-free.
>
> Who are the parasites? It is pretty obvious...
Again, the same standard he uses to condemn Red Hat would be applicable
to Walnut Creek. (Substitute the words "Walnut Creek" for "Red Hat" in
the quote above and that would be John's implied feelings about Walnut
Creek's role in FreeBSD, since it is very similar to Red Hat's role with
Linux.)
I agree, his standard is lunacy, and that both Red Hat and Walnut Creek
offer invaluable services to the community.
I just find it yet-another-contradiction that the "parasites"
distributing Linux are evil, yet, Walnut Creek, doing precisely the same
thing with FreeBSD is somehow different.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: "Rich Mycroft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat's sick sense of humor (support)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 06:26:32 -0500
Eric Peterson wrote in message <7b2t6j$5va$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Bryan J. Maloney wrote in message ...
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sandy Edwards
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>Whenever I have to contact ANY support tech from any company for any sort
>>of support, be it computer, chemical, sales, or any other field, I have
>>learned, over years of having to get various things working while PhDs
>>breath down my neck to "make it go", to include the following statements:
>>
What I love is when I do this and still get a stupid response back.
Recently had some issues with my isp and sent a message asking why I was
getting busy tones all the time. They responded back that I needed to get
better drivers for my modem. Strong correlation there! After snapping back
about stupid responses to questions I actually got some reasonable
responses. Across the US the problem of support and even customer service
is something that all companies are facing. Recently called MS on a SQL
Server problem. Got a very nice lady from India who had a tough time
understanding English (I'm originally from England BTW) and I had a
difficult time understanding her. This while I'm paying for a long distance
phone call and also being charged for the incident. Was thrilled when for
the first time in my life actually got a correct answer to a problem from
MS! Once in about ten times. Good odds there! When I asked a further
question about some of the output from DBCC I got "that's in our books
online" - which essentially means go screw yourself. Well, back to 1 in 11!
rich mycroft
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From: Bud Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can Applixware open Micorsoft Word formatted files (i.e. .doc
Date: 24 Feb 1999 06:20:59 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin ) writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gerald
>Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> files)? wrote:
> >On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >> Is the reverse also true? Will Microsoft Word and Excel open Applixware
> > files?
> >
> >Why do you ask this question in a linux ng?
> >Or was it meant to be rethorical?
> > Gerald
> >
>
> It seems a valid question to me - whatever you think of Microsoft applications
> a lot of people out there use them and interoperability will be an important
> consideration for many of us...
>
> Martin
I agree. M$ has a strangle hold on the business desktop. Like it or not,
M$ Office file formats have become a de facto standard for exchanging
information.
My university is heavily M$-centric. I don't like that, but I understand
why it is so. Employers increasingly assume and expect computer literacy
of their employees. In the minds of most business people, 'computer
literacy' == 'proficiency with M$ Office products.' I don't like that
either, but it's a fact of life.
Recently I had to fill out and return a questionnaire in Word doc format.
I imported it into Star Office 5, filled it out, exported it back to Word
format, then emailed it in as an attachment. I felt I had passed a major
hurdle when the graduate assistant who had to read it expressed her
satisfaction with the result.
--
Bud Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.sirinet.net/~budr/twocups.gif
Linux twocups 2.0.36 #2 Tue Feb 23 18:47:52 CST 1999 i586 unknown
5:53am up 10:27, 2 users, load average: 0.10, 0.11, 0.17
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Dillon)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 24 Feb 1999 20:35:18 -0800
:In article <7b2a74$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
:Alexander Viro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>In article <7b1hb8$ect$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matt Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>>:In article <7b0hub$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
:>>:Alexander Viro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>>:>In article <7b0bff$5bn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matt Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>>:>>
:>>:>>
:>>:>> * Using a hash table instead of a linear list
:>>:>
:>>:> Matt, look into FreeBSD garbage collector for AF_UNIX sockets and
:>>:>watch the (ab)use of list of open files (marking phase). (And yes, Linux
:>>:>has similar suckitude in tty code - also scans the whole damned list).
:>>
:>> Oh yah, now there's a bit of cruft! For those who didn't catch the
:>> reference: This is in relation to sendmsg() and recvmsg() on unix-domain
:>> sockets. You can pass certain things, like SCM rights and file
:>> descriptors over such sockets. The garbage collection is in there to
:>> clean up in-transit messages that hang around when both ends of such
:>> sockets are closed abnormally.
:>
:> Umm... Worse than that, actually. Look: you can pass the descriptor,
:>close it on the sending end and expect it to survive until it will be received.
:>Now, if you close the receiving end before you'll receive the descriptor you'll
:>have to do gc, right, but that's *not* the only case. Suppose you have two
:>sockets, A and B and are passing A to B and B to A. And close both. Woops.
:...
:>> Actually, some pretty good progress has been made around the 'edges'
:>> of that code. It should be possible to remove the garbage collector
:...
:> Nope. Will not help. You can call unp_gc() from close(), indeed, but
:>you can't rely on reference counters. How it was, "regresses"? It would be
:>nice if we had a tree. That was the assumption of *both* implementations.
:>Wrong one. In *BSD it was fixed in '91 and in Linux I've found and fixed it
:...
It's not quite that difficult. The close() code basically needs to
recurse through the remaining pending descriptors using the MARKing
algorithm. This has much less overhead then going through the entire
socket list.
I would have done it when I fixed the socket type bug in the GC, in
FreeBSD a few weeks ago, but I've got too much on my plate.
-Matt
--
Matthew Dillon Engineering, HiWay Technologies, Inc. & BEST Internet
Communications
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: These newsgroups are riduculous...
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:37:48 GMT
On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:21:07 -0500, Jeraimee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Was my question listing errors like "Gtk-CRITICAL **: filegtkbox.c : line
>324..." etc... to complex for you all?
The best place for Gtk programming questions are the Gtk mailing lists. I
prefer the gtk-app list to the gtk list.
Dave Cook
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Martin)
Subject: Re: Creating animated GIFs under Linux
Date: 25 Feb 1999 09:06:53 GMT
> Neil Zanella wrote:
> >
> > Is there a free tool for Linux that allows you to compose (rather
> than just
> > view with xv) animated gif files.
> > Is it possible to edit gif files directly as ordinary files?
> > How do people make those animated gifs?
The GIMP.
Has anyone seen the GIMP book ('Artists guide to the GIMP' or
some such?
If so, is it any good?
..d
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