Linux-Misc Digest #171, Volume #19 Thu, 25 Feb 99 06:13:12 EST
Contents:
Re: SCO and Linux console problems (Roberto Zini)
X, Netscape crashing after CPU changed to P200 MMX (Linux PC)
Windows fonts on Linux? (rhino)
Re: Problem with RH5.2 install - Kernel Panic ("fertile")
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Matt Dillon)
hunh, case obsolete, use switch! oh <explitive deleted> ???? ("Joe (theWordy)
Philbrook")
Re: Going from Win 98 and Office 97 to Linux and ???? (Sniper)
Scsi problems (Alain MEVEL)
English/german translator for Linux (Jaroslaw =?iso-8859-1?Q?Br=FCst?=)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Sniper)
Re: Going from Win 98 and Office 97 to Linux and ???? (Sniper)
UUCP for mail and news? (Michael Schmidt)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Zini)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.sco.misc
Subject: Re: SCO and Linux console problems
Date: 25 Feb 1999 09:02:47 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>When I telnet or rlogin from my Linux box to a SCO box, there are
>problems with the screen handling (eg, in vi, a scroll downwards only
>shifts the bottom row; it doesn't shift the rows above) and there
>are also problems the other way around..
>
>Has anybody encountered this problem before? Are there any webpages or
>resources with info on how to fix it? We've experimented a bit with stty
>(which fixed the backspace key for Linux-as-client) and not really been
>able to find much more.. Any help really appreciated :).
>
Hi !
Just my 2 cents; check the value of the TERM environment
variable under Linux. Once you've got it, try to gather
additional terminal capabilities info from the termcap and terminfo databases
(I don't know about Linux so I'm not in the position to tell you
if they're actually used) and "paste" (or recompile) 'em under
SCO. For termcap, you could paste the extracted info directly
into the /etc/termcap file while you'll have to compile the terminfo
capabilities with the tic command in order to have it correctly
recognized.
Hope this helps !
Best,
Roberto
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if you want to reply.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Linux PC)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: X, Netscape crashing after CPU changed to P200 MMX
Date: 23 Feb 1999 04:48:03 GMT
Hi,
I just replaced my CPU with a faster one, a Pentium 200 MMX.
(I also flashed my BIOS to the version recommended for MMX.)
X Windows now crashes if I move the mouse too fast, and Netscape
crashes if I click the middle button to open up a new window for
a link.
When X crashes it displays:
Fatal server error:
Caught signal 8. Server aborting
All apps run from a Linux console seem to be stable.
Anyone else experience this problem? How can I fix it?
TIA
NOTE-- Junk mail trap:
To e-mail me, please remove the following word from the
address above: system
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From: rhino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Windows fonts on Linux?
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 04:29:05 -0500
Hi all,
I've been in this newsgroup a couple of times and thought I saw some posts on
how there is a linux-based utility to convert Windows TrueType (TTF) fonts to
Linux-readable format? I'm a newbie here, if anyone could pls tell me where to
download this utility, I'd be most grateful.
Pls email - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Many thanks,
rhino
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From: "fertile" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problem with RH5.2 install - Kernel Panic
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:25:57 -0000
Well this may be the blind leading the blind here cause ive only had linux
installed for a week ,but i had the identical error after i updated my
kernel to 2.2.1
then i realised i hadnt compiled in support for INITRD and using the ramdisk
at all..
recompile your kernel and include support for this and see if it makes any
difference..
if not then if you could post a copy of your lilo.conf that might help..
hope this helps.. id backup your shit first.. im a newbie :)
kev
Autometic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7b304b$e9d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I have tried repeatedly to install Redhat 5.2 (using the floppy) but I
> continue to get the following messages after which the machine completely
> hangs...
>
> RAMDISK:Compressed image found at block 0
> crc error VFS: cannot open root device 08:22
> Kernel Panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 08:22
>
> The 'real' installation program does not even start from there onward.
>
> I am currently still running WIN98.
> My machine has 128mByte Ram
>
> I created correct partitions for Linux (starting prior to Cylinder 524). I
> have installed Debian Linux (old version) and it installs correctly.
>
> Would appreciate any help I can get on this.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Dillon)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 24 Feb 1999 10:44:56 -0800
:In article <7b0hub$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
:Alexander Viro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>In article <7b0bff$5bn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matt Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>>
:>>
:>> * Using a hash table instead of a linear list
:>
:> Matt, look into FreeBSD garbage collector for AF_UNIX sockets and
:>watch the (ab)use of list of open files (marking phase). (And yes, Linux
:>has similar suckitude in tty code - also scans the whole damned list).
Oh yah, now there's a bit of cruft! For those who didn't catch the
reference: This is in relation to sendmsg() and recvmsg() on unix-domain
sockets. You can pass certain things, like SCM rights and file
descriptors over such sockets. The garbage collection is in there to
clean up in-transit messages that hang around when both ends of such
sockets are closed abnormally.
Actually, some pretty good progress has been made around the 'edges'
of that code. It should be possible to remove the garbage collector
entirely when someone finds the time to implement the last little bit --
integrating the cleanup into close() directly.
:>> * Issues with VFS layer locking, cache coherency, and VM/VFS
:>> interaction.
:> Aaaaarrrrgghhh.... Frankly, Linux VFS is not the cleanest thing right
:>now, but at least it doesn't put locking down into the individual filesystems.
:>And I hope that we'll have namespace-related locking separated from the
:>data-related one in 2.3 (i.e. namespace stuff goes into dcache layer and the
:>rest remains in icache - Linux VFS structure is big win here). There is another
:>scalability issue - by number of filesystems. And I'm afraid that here *BSD
:>loses - you never had to deal with that shitload of weirdness. VFS/filesystems
:>separation in Linux is not ideal, but it's *much* better than Heidemann's and
:>better that FreeBSD one (3.x - I didn't look into 4.0-current).
Well, I'm no fan of the BSD VFS - in fact, there've been some pretty big
arguments on -hackers about that.
I'm not sure what you mean about putting locking down into individual
filesystems. FreeBSD has the notion of locking vnodes and inodes. About
a year ago much of the semantics of the locking was moved to the parent
VFS routines. The filesystems still must deal with it, but not as much as
before.
And, frankly, Linux doesn't have *enough* locking. If FreeBSD is at one
extreme, Linux is at the other. It has created no end of problems for both.
We are just now tracking down and fixing the more esoteric deadlock
conditions. The biggest problem we have now with FreeBSD is that the
VFS system is not integrated well enough into the VM system and this
creates potential problems between the VFS system's locking and the
VM system's locking. Out of order locking is still a problem. Linux,
though, has serious race conditions in its VFS due to not having enough
locking.
:>> I could go on.
:>>
:>> I am certainly not suggesting that Linux developers transplant code
:>> wholesale ( except possibly kern/subr_blist.c ), but I am suggesting
:>> that Linux developers can avoid a whole slew of problems by reading
:>> the FreeBSD code and doing their own from-scratch implementation right
:>> the first time rather then having to iterate through years of
:>> scaleability and other problems. Even just the CVS logs would be highly
:>> beneficial.
:>
:> D'oh. What makes you think that we do not use it? Wrt VFS I'm
:>seriously against using *BSD as model - some things are definitely worth
:>copying (something resembling nameidata for lookups, for one), but the
:>whole vnode concept mixes several unrelated things and doesn't do it well.
:>Namespace-related stuff shouldn't be mixed with inode manipulations - you
:>can avoid a *lot* of races that way. Moreover, Heidemann's design assumes
:>that filesystems are relatively clever and puts lots of fs-independent
:>consistency checks/race prevention into them. *Bad* idea, if you have a
:>lot of that stuff in your tree + 3rd-party modules.
The current VFS scheme in FreeBSD puts too much burden on the filesystem
modules. That's definitely true.
::> BTW, could you look at the potential race between rename("/b/b","a")
::>and rename("/a/a","b") with pwd of the first process being /a/a/a/a/a and
:>pwd of the second one - /b/b/b/b/b? Lookups do not come anywhere near each
:>other and VFS doesn't check for such situations (each of renames is legal,
:>but together they create a loop and detach it from root). I'm not sure that
:>all filesystems in FreeBSD tree handle it right.
That's quite interesting.
/b/b/b/b
\__/
/ \
/a/a/a/a
Yes, I believe there's a race there.
:> Putting such stuff into filesystems is badly broken idea, IMO.
:> Indeed, looking into logs/archives/whatever is *very* useful. Lots
:>of bugs are reproduced independently by nearly everybody and cutting down
:>on that stuff would be very nice. Can't speak for anybody else, but I *am*
:>looking through the *BSD CVS repositories.
:>
:>> I would also, *strongly* recommend that at least the Linux kernel be
:>> put under CVS. FreeBSD has hundreds of megabytes of source under CVS.
:>> It isn't perfect, but it's a whole lot better then nothing and CVS has
:>> proven to be quite a good tool in helping organize and maintain a
:>> multi-person development project. Even if only Linus and Alan had
:>> commit privs it would make their jobs a whole lot easier, I think.
:>> Read-only access to the other developers would make *their* lives easier
:>> as well.
:> Look at BitKeeper - it seems that it may be used instead of CVS
:>basically for the same purpose. LMV said that he's going to finish it before
:>2.3, so...
Umm... Not to put on a pointy hat, but trusting hundreds of megabytes
of source to something that isn't finished, tested, and proven is a bad
idea. CVS isn't perfect, but it is extremely reliable, well proven, and
does most of what one wants. It also has proven longevity which is
essential if you need to track something over a period of years.
-Matt
--
Matthew Dillon Engineering, HiWay Technologies, Inc. & BEST Internet
Communications
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From: "Joe (theWordy) Philbrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: hunh, case obsolete, use switch! oh <explitive deleted> ????
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 01:44:22 +0000
Hi, I'm still kinda green I guess. Most of what I know about linux is
derived from what I taught myself trying to figure out how to use my
"general purpose" ksh login on a SunOs unix at work.
Since my employer didn't really think I needed to do much with this login
there was almost zero training... But I eventualy learned to get some
fairly complex interactive shell scripts working that made my job easier.
I never did do well trying to use "if [test] then fi" for complex
branching statements But got fairly good at using the case branching
statement...
I'm working on a shell script in bash on my linux now and wanted to
refresh my memory on how to test for more than one pattern in a
case $variable in ^M pattern) command;; expresion. I remember I
saw an example of this once in an old unix .profile where more than
one $TERM value would trigger the execution of the same command
in a "case $TERM in" expression. I think maybe there was a pipe character
seperating the match patterns or something...
But in any case I don't have any examples of that to look at anymore so I
tried a " man case "
>> case(n) Tcl Built-In Commands case(n)
<<snip>>
>> Note: the case command is obsolete and is supported only for backward
>> compatibility. At some point in the future it may be removed
>> entirely. You should use the switch command instead.
Well I'm not to sure about "Tcl" I know I've heard the term, but danged if
I know where... But if this means that at sometime in the future shell
script branching statements like case $variable in pattern)command;; esac
won't be any good I want to start figuring out switch so I did a
" man switch "
>> switch(n) Tcl Built-In Commands switch(n)
>> Below are some examples of switch commands:
>> switch abc a - b {format 1} abc {format 2} default {format
>> 3} will return 2, switch -regexp aaab { ^a.*b$ -
>> b {format 1} a* {format 2} default {format
>> 3} } will return 1, and switch xyz { a -
>> b {format 1} a* {format 2}
>> default {format 3} } will return 3.
which is completely greek to me... I can't quite get it...
IF the "obsolete nature of the Tcl builtin does in fact mean that
in the future I won't be able to rely on the case statement in bash shell
scripts then would somebody who does know how to use the switch command
please send me an example of how to do something like this with it...
<<snip>>
echo " [ M ] for mail"
echo " [ N ] for news"
echo " [ W ] for the web"
read inpuT
case $inpuT in
m*)inpuT="M";;
n*)inpuT="N";;
w*)inpuT="W";;
esac
case $inpuT in
M*)echo " [ R ]ead mail or [ S ]end message or send [ F ]ile ???";
read inpUt;;
N*)trn;
inpUt="no";;
W*)lynx;
inpUt="no";;
esac
case $inpUt in
f*) inpUt="F";;
r*) inpUt="R";;
s*) inpUt="S";;
esac
case $inpUt in
F*)echo "to whom";
read recipiant;
echo "about what?";
read subject;
echo "which file??"
read filE
mailx -s "$subject" $recipiant<<$filE;;
R*)mailx;;
S*)echo "to whom";
read recipiant;
echo "about what?";
read subject;
mailx -s "$subject" $recipiant;;
esac
<<snip>>
thanking you in advance...
| ~^~ ~^~
| <?> <?> Joe (theWordy) Philbrook
| ^ J(tWdy)P
| \___/ <<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sniper)
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Going from Win 98 and Office 97 to Linux and ????
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:39:44 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:13:46 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Mick Costa wrote:
>>
>>
>>Sniper wrote:
>
>And was sniped
>
>>I use StarOffice for the most part (http://www.stardivision.com). It
>>imports/exports most office documents, although I believe that it
>>doesn't handle ALL Office features. For most mainstream uses, it does
>>fine. You can also get Corel's WordPerfect for Linux (free for personal
>>use, as is StarOffice). While I did download it, I haven't got around
>>to using it since I've been happy with StarOffice (also StarOffice
>>includes spreadsheet, presentation, etc., capabilities). I haven't
>>tried Applixware at all, but have heard some good things about it.
>>You'll have to get another e-mail client, since I don't think that
>>Outlook runs on Linux (??). I use KDE and am pretty happy with the
>>simple e-mail client. You could also use Netscape with its e-mail
>>client if you wanted (there's lots of choices).
>
>
>I must say that Word Perfect is my prefured word processor for Linux. I
>still use Office 97 as most of the rest of the world use it but Word
>perfect is nicer than star office, which is like M$'s offerings big and
>bloaty. With a fair degree of feature creap. Infact its so similar I cant
>belive they copied the user interface.
>
>Owen
The editor could be Vi for all I care, but I need to export to word
97, that what the client wants, so that's what the client gets !
Thanks for all your advice guys, I'm downloading staroffice for
windows at the moment to try it out before moving to Linux.
Owen - I thought WP had problems with even simple stuff like True type
fonts on Linux, how did you set it up ?
.
"What's the difference between a nail, a screw and a bolt ?" the woodwork
teacher asked the only girl in the class during the first day of school.
She pondered the question for a moment, then replied, "Well, I can't rightly
say as I know, 'cause I ain't never been 'bolted'."
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From: Alain MEVEL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Scsi problems
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:15:49 +0100
I'm doing a big backup every night on a 4mm DAT (scsi).
Often I get the message
Feb 22 21:18:58 groslulu kernel: scsi : aborting command due to timeout
: pid 40
10949, scsi0, channel 0, id 4, lun 0 Write (6) 00 00 28 00 00
Feb 22 21:18:58 groslulu kernel: SCSI host 0 abort (pid 4010949) timed
out - res
etting
Feb 22 21:18:58 groslulu kernel: SCSI bus is being reset for host 0
channel 0.
Feb 22 21:18:58 groslulu kernel: (scsi0:0:0:0) Synchronous at 40.0
Mbyte/sec, of
fset 15.
Feb 22 21:18:58 groslulu kernel: (scsi0:0:1:0) Synchronous at 40.0
Mbyte/sec, of
fset 15.
Feb 22 21:18:58 groslulu kernel: (scsi0:0:4:0) Synchronous at 10.0
Mbyte/sec, of
fset 32.
And my backup ended.
I'm using RedHat linux 2.0.36.
Is thre a patch to solve this problem ?
Thanks
--
===============================================================================================
Alain MEVEL, TNI, Technopole Brest Iroise,
Z.I. Pointe du Diable, CP1 29608- Brest Cedex, FRANCE
phone: +33 2 98 05 27 44 , fax: +33 2 98 05 63 50
http://www.tni.fr/ ftp://ftp.tni.fr/
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From: Jaroslaw =?iso-8859-1?Q?Br=FCst?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: English/german translator for Linux
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:48:01 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello,
I'm looking for a good and free english/german
(german/englisch) translator for Linux.
Any suggestions are most welcome!
Thanks in advance.
J. Br�st
--
Jaroslaw Br�st
eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sniper)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:30:26 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 00:25:55 -0800, "iratheous" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I'm glad to see honesty, even when dealing with something you dont like :)
>Oh btw, I don;t liek counter arguments of 'it's debatable' without actually
>presenting a debate! It's a cop-out. "It isn't as good", "Why" , "Because
>it isn't!"
>
I agree I think they were very valid reasons ! I like linux, and I
earn my living with NT !
M$ Support only sucks when your a little guy, just like Compaq and all
the rest, try ringing up on a Custom support agreement, then the
support is great, however I agree that the consumer support sucks.
If you are going to challenge someone to what they said, then say more
than its debatable, If you want to say that Killing Jews is ok, its
debateable. Or that Injecting rabbits with lipstick is ok, then fine
that too is debateable, everything is bloody debateable, doesn;t make
it right !
>jedi wrote in message ...
>>On Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:43:17 -0800, Ryan Cumming
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>iratheous wrote:
>>>>>If you want my 234 reasons why linux is better
>>>> >than Winblows 98 just ask.
>>>>
>>>> How about 10 honest reasons why you think windows98 is better than
>linux?
>>>> That would be interesting to hear from a windows hater >:)
>>>
>>>OK. I think there are more and better resons that Linux is better, but
>here it
>>>goes: (This hurts)
>>>
>>>
>>>1. Better GUI
>> This is debatable.
>>
>>>2. More software
>>>3. More Hardware support
>>>4. Better gaming platform
>>>(shudder)
>>
>> This is redundant, part of 3 & 4.
>>>5. More consistency (see my previous post)
>> The value of this is debateable.
>>
>>>6. One word: Microkernel
>> The value of this is VERY debateable.
>>
>>>7. No mounting
>>
>> This is also the case in Linux depending
>> on the shell in question.
>>
>>>8. Better file locking
>>>9. More multithreaded apps
>>
>> The value of this is debateable.
>> This more a fix for NT's problems
>> with multiple processes.
>>
>>>10. Better user support
>>
>> From whom? Consumer software support is
>> in general laughable, M$ included.
>>
>>>
>>>(Bodnar42 collapses because he just went against everytihing he stands
>for)
>>>
>>
>>
>>--
>> Herding Humans ~ Herding Cats
>>
>>Neither will do a thing unless they really want to, or |||
>>is coerced to the point where it will scratch your eyes out / | \
>>as soon as your grip slips.
>>
>> In search of sane PPP docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
>
.
"What's the difference between a nail, a screw and a bolt ?" the woodwork
teacher asked the only girl in the class during the first day of school.
She pondered the question for a moment, then replied, "Well, I can't rightly
say as I know, 'cause I ain't never been 'bolted'."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sniper)
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Going from Win 98 and Office 97 to Linux and ????
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:41:04 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:49:59 -0800, "Louis Hopcraft"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Once again may I thank all you Gentlemen for your time, I may well be
emailing a few of you over the next few weeks :->
Thanks !
>Try downloading Star Office from www.stardivison.de I use this at work to
>communicate with all of my users on Nt 4.0/Office 97.
>
>Louis
>Sniper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451
>>X-No-Archive: yes
>>
>>Ok, heres the deal, got a Toshiba 310 CDT, currently running Windows
>>98, office 97, agent, Outlook 98 etc etc.
>>
>>I'm seriously thinking about going over to Linux, but, every document
>>I produce, must be portable over to office.
>>
>>1. Is red had 5.2 a good choice for a Toshoba laptop, or will I have
>>problems with drivers, Infra red USB etc.
>>
>>2. What can I use application wise that's not going to involve a huge
>>leap from Office ? and provide backwards compatibility with Word and
>>Excel 97 ?
>>
>>Thanks in Advance for all you help suggestions.
>>
>>Ian
>>Email me
>>scorp 888 at hotmail dot com
>>Now your clever, so you can work it out, cant you ?
>>
>>for the spam trap
>>
>>root@localhost
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
.
"What's the difference between a nail, a screw and a bolt ?" the woodwork
teacher asked the only girl in the class during the first day of school.
She pondered the question for a moment, then replied, "Well, I can't rightly
say as I know, 'cause I ain't never been 'bolted'."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Schmidt)
Subject: UUCP for mail and news?
Date: 23 Feb 1999 15:20:38 GMT
Hi,
Linux provides UUCP as far as I have read.
Which programs are there running under Linux which handle
mail and news using UUCP as an interface/layer for sending
and receiving?
In other words, which programs allow reading mail and news via UUCP
and writing mail and news for sending via UUCP?
Have a nice day
Michael
--
Michael Schmidt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mirror of: SAMBA:
IPFilter, Ghostscript Server for Win95,
Linux-HOWTO WinNT, LANManager
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