Linux-Misc Digest #224, Volume #19 Sun, 28 Feb 99 02:13:14 EST
Contents:
Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info (Stephe)
Re: can non longer mount VFAT (or MSDOS) partitions (Andries Brouwer)
Re: Digital Cameras (David Fox)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Chris Morgan)
Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info ("David A. Frantz")
Re: Red Hat's sick sense of humor (support) ("Mig Killer")
DSL Firewall? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Digital Cameras ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Boot hangs at Ethernet probe... Help! (David Burlage)
Re: Linux/FreeBSD compatability (Was Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)) (david
parsons)
Re: lilo prob (Seth Van Oort)
Re: Linux + Windows boxes (Jeremy D. Zawodny)
Re: configure error...now giflib problem (tim rosen)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Colin Day)
What if software could think? (Russell Nelson)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Colin Day)
Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class. (Colin Day)
Re: Anti-Virus for Linux (Todd Knarr)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers ("Rich Perna")
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Russell Nelson)
Re: Linux Users in Houston TX (Ulf Bohman)
Re: Redhat 6.0 Release Schedule? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: More bad news for NT ("Jim Ross")
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From: Stephe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 00:46:39 -0500
Grant Leslie wrote:
>
> Enabled/disabled doesn't matter, the basic fact is that it
> exists at all. Future versions of certain web sites might not even allow
> access with out the ID enabled, some future software might not install
> without the ID enabled, forcing people to have it enabled.
>
>
That's the problem as like the cookies, they will require it to
get support at certain websites or to get logged onto their
system for news etc. I don't like the idea of people keeping up
with what I'm doing..
--
Stephe
Having fun with linux
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andries Brouwer)
Subject: Re: can non longer mount VFAT (or MSDOS) partitions
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 21:00:23 GMT
Rob Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: When I tried to mount my windows partition from Linux as I always used
: to, (with mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt) it complained along the lines
: of:
: you must specify a filesystem type
If you specify a type and get this error message then your mount
is broken. Check that you didnt mistype the -t.
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From: d s f o x @ c o g s c i . u c s d . e d u (David Fox)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Digital Cameras
Date: 27 Feb 1999 21:49:24 -0800
"The Infernal One" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Does anyone either know or have good source information on
> which digital cameras support linux? TIA.
Olympus DL-600 works fine using the photopc package. Many other
models use the exact same chipsets and software. (Sure does eat
batteries though.)
--
David Fox http://hci.ucsd.edu/dsf xoF divaD
UCSD HCI Lab baL ICH DSCU
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From: Chris Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 27 Feb 1999 11:01:07 -0500
jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > What country uses # as a currency? :-(
>
> I think they are reffering to pound....England
In Britain I always called it a hash symbol and � is the pound symbol
(hope that looks correct).
--
Chris Morgan <mihalis at ix.netcom.com http://mihalis.net
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From: "David A. Frantz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 10:44:33 -0500
There are lots of reasons to not buy Intel, but this strikes me as one of
the worst. Every Network CARD ever installed in a PC has a unique ID and
no one ever complained about them. The best thing the Linux community
could do is to get behind a non Intel platform. The unfortunate thing is
that the only other Mass produced computing platform is the MAC. Not that
there is anything wrong with the MAC, its just that the PowerPC seems to be
under performing as far as performance increases go.
What I would really love to have is a 400MHz Mac sitting next to a 400 MHz
P2, both running Linux, just to see how they perform. My guest is that
the PPC machine would do much better, but I'm not sure about the quality of
code produced by GCC for the PPC.
Dave
Ilya wrote in message <36d7e381.0@calwebnnrp>...
>In comp.os.linux.misc Boycott Swintel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Pentium III chip with the individual serial number that can
>> track your web surfing and buying habits can now have the ID number
>> turned on and off by software.
>
>And I won't ever buy an Intel product. Get something else. My Pentium II is
>the last one.
>
>
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From: "Mig Killer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat's sick sense of humor (support)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 00:56:30 -0500
I visited a local Waldens' and was surprised to even SEE the RedHat 5.2 box.
As I picked it up, it rattled ... at first, I thought, maybe the diskette
was broken or the metal retainer had fallen from it.
I told the Waldens' clerk I wasn't going to buy it if it was damaged. The
shrink wrap looked 'ok' and the box wasn't bent.
So, she opened the box. Surprise, no (apparent) damage, it was the boot disk
flopping around in the package. Forever unanswered will be the condition of
the boot diskette (useless, in my opinion ... it's makeable from the CD)
Best surprise ? The 2 CDs and the promised bonus CD were missing. The box
contained only a manual, the floppy, and a stupid bumper sticker.
The clerk tried to persuade me to buy the package and take up the missing
CDs with RedHat. I declined. Good move, if I do say so myself, based on the
above thread.
Kyler B. Laird wrote in message <7b6s1f$29q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Steve Salgo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>You can buy RH5.2 at Best Buy for $32. I assume the reg number is in
>>the box but I haven't bought it.
>
>So let me make sure I have this straight...
>
>I'm the only one here who thinks it's silly to
>have to drive to another town (the closest Best
>Buy is in Indy, ~1 hour away) to pay for a
>boxed set of Red Hat Linux just so that I can
>get the registration number to give to Red Hat
>so that they'll answer my question?
>
>Someone already mentioned that after all of
>the costs for the distribution are considered,
>there's probably only about $5 left to provide
>support. Doesn't it seem strange that Red Hat
>isn't willing to take *$50* directly from me
>in exchange for support?
>
>--kyler
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: DSL Firewall?
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 03:44:45 GMT
I should have a DSL line at home in 3 weeks. Is there a website with detailed
on how to setup a Linux firewall with enough detail to be useful for someone
who has no previous experience?
Will I have to dedicate a computer for this, or can that PC be used for other
purposes at the same time it is being used as a firewall?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Digital Cameras
Date: 28 Feb 1999 05:57:06 GMT
In article <7baka6$amb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
The Infernal One <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Try http://www.gphoto.org/gphoto/cameras.html
>
>Wow, this GPhoto program sounds very promising. Is it well
>usable in its current version (0.2) or is it more like a
>beta?
>
>
>
"Cough, cough", ahh well, I don't own a digital camera yet. I came close
to buying an Agfa from the list that I saw advertised on buycomp for about
$250 (I'm thinking of playing around with stop action animation), but backed
off. I was only going to buy a camera from the list but decided to
hold off on buying period till I was really ready since the technology is
moving so rapidly.
---- Remove UhUh and Spam to get my real email address ---
--
Cleave yourself to logodedaly and you cleave yourself from clarity.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Burlage)
Subject: Boot hangs at Ethernet probe... Help!
Date: 28 Feb 1999 06:08:26 GMT
In an attempt to get my RTL8029 ethernet card working, I added
the line '/sbin/modprobe ne io=0x6800' to /etc/rc.d/rc.modules.
Now, booting hangs at the 'NE*000 ethernet probe at 0x6800:'
line.
I tried booting into single user mode using 'linux single' at the
LILO prompt, but had the same problem. How can I boot to undo the
damage? Booting from floppy with 'mount root=/dev/hdb2' failed
also.
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From: o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s (david parsons)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Linux/FreeBSD compatability (Was Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?))
Date: 27 Feb 1999 21:22:55 -0800
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brian moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 27 Feb 1999 12:10:33 -0800,
> david parsons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Of course, Linux also DOESN'T have a devfs in the mainline kernel
>> because the core team thinks that having the kernel accurately
>> report devices is icky.
>You mean like Solaris's /devices directories? Icky is too nice for that
>mess.
What do you find icky about it -- the concept, or the detail that
Sun, in their infinite stupidity, managed to take a perfectly fine
idea and convert it into a disaster area?
____
david parsons \bi/ Not a big Solaris fan, I'm afraid.
\/
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From: Seth Van Oort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: lilo prob
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 06:11:58 +0000
lilo can only boot off a primary controller so if you can switch your
cdrom and win98 harddrive ...
Seth
Nick Warrington wrote:
>
> I have in the past configured lilo to boot off different partitions on the
> same hd. However I recently installed a new hard disk and formatted the disk
> for a linux installation. I thought I had configured lilo to list two
> bootable partitions on different disks. The primary master for linux and the
> second master for win98 (dont laugh, I need it right now), with a cdrom as a
> primary slave. However lilo fails to jump to the second disk to boot Win98.
> It appears in the menu to select, but simply will not even begin to boot
> from it.
>
> Any thoughts anyone??
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Nick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy D. Zawodny)
Subject: Re: Linux + Windows boxes
Date: 27 Feb 1999 21:54:40 -0500
DaStOp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I would like to know if it is possible to connect a Windows box with
> a Linux RedHat box through a direct cable connection. I would be
> very grateful if some one could give me some guidelines for this
> connection... Thanx in advance for your collaboration. :)
Depends on the type of cable, I suppose.
Ethernet? Serial? Parallel? SCSI? IDE?
Do you want a "real" network or just some sort of LapLink-like
functionality?
Jeremy
--
Jeremy D. Zawodny Web Geek, Perl Hacker, etc.
http://www.wcnet.org/~jzawodn/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
LOAD "LINUX",8,1
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From: tim rosen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: configure error...now giflib problem
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 01:14:52 -0500
On Sat, 27 Feb 1999, John Garrison wrote:
>go to the directory the configure script is in and type:
>
>chmod a+x configure
>
>you can use chmod a+x any time permission is denied, assuming
>you are the root user. If not have the root user do it for you.
Thanks John, that worked perfectly.
New problem:
So I type "./configure" and get:
"checking for...
checking for...
checking for giflib... configure: error: You need giflib23. Please install the
kdesupport package"
Now giflib23 is not in kdesupport-1.1-3rh5x.i386.rpm
Again, I am using RH5.2 and KDE1.1.
I know that the kdesupport-1.1-*rh5x RPM package omits libgif (Am I right that
this is the same as giflib?). I have also read that "Red Hat 5.1/5.2 users
(rh5x RPMS) must make sure the Red Hat RPM packages gdbm, libjpeg-6b, and
libungif are installed." So is it libungif which I need to make ./configure
(my origiginal problem) work? Should I get all of these files, or is there
something else that I need?
I could not find these files on the RH ftp site. Know where they are?
I greatly appreciate everyone's and anyone's help.
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From: Colin Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 06:21:19 +0000
Jon Wiest wrote:
> > Redhat 5.0 detects all my hardware.
>
> What??? Do you *have* any hardware to detect? Oh sure, it get the hard
> drives right. It did nicely detect my ATI Rage2, which I appreciate. But
> not my Wacom pad, my modem, my sound card, my IDE Zip, my Voodoo2.
>
> Jon
I have to admit that it didn't detect my internal modem (a winmodem), but
installing
my external modem was a snap in Linux.
Colin Day [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Russell Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: What if software could think?
Date: 28 Feb 1999 01:22:10 -0500
Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Linus Torvalds) writes:
>
> > It is _you_ who misuse the term "free". You aren't the only one, but
> > most other people who use your notion of freedom seem to love in small
> > shacks somewhere in the middle of nowhere, preferably Montana.
>
> Linus, you are becoming more and more rude.
>
> I would suggest you start reading what John is saying, and turn your
> socialist idealogy off for a minute. Socialism does not apply to
> everything.
You are analyzing Linus's response incorrectly. Socialism has nothing
to do with it. Slavery has everything to do with it.
Imagine if software were sentient. What kind of freedoms would it
have? John is arguing that free software should be allowed to be
thrown into bondage, and all its descendents. I think that the free
software would argue otherwise, were it able to argue on its own
behalf.
In a very real sense, software is evolving towards sentience. The
software which is a good fit in its environment encourages people to
use it and improve it. If the software can out-compete other software
in its niche, it survives into the next generation. Otherwise it
dies.
--
-russ nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://crynwr.com/~nelson
Crynwr supports Open Source(tm) Software| PGPok | There is good evidence
521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | that freedom is the
Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | cause of world peace.
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From: Colin Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 06:29:21 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Feb 1999 23:45:35 -0800, The Infernal One
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Windows is fairly cryptic and certainly not much less so than
> >Linux. It's just that some people believe Linux is hard because
> >they couldn't use it after learning how to use computer, when
> >all they learned is how to use Windows.
>
> Maybe I say this because I've used Windows for as long as it's been
> out, but I don't find Windows cryptic at all. Actually, I find it
> pretty obvious-- and I have found that I can sit a new user (*completely
> new user*) in front of a Windows box and say, "Look at this.
> Don't ask me a single question, and poke around for yourself," and they'll
> typically start to figure things out without documentation. That means
> (to me, anyway) that it's not cryptic.
>
> Can you do that with UNIX? Not really. A newbie wouldn't think in terms
> of "cp" = "copy", "mv" = "rename and move" and so on.
>
So use aliases, duh!
>
Colin Day [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Colin Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is not even in Windows 9X's class.
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 06:25:39 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In article <7b6egf$h4s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Robert Shepard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
> > <7b6bad$73l$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > Ryan Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> Matthias Warkus wrote:
> > ><some deletia>
> > >
> > >> > > 3. More Hardware support
> > >> >
> > >> > Yes, but oh so crappy drivers...
> > >>
> > >> I rather have a Winmodem with crappy drivers than a useless card in Linux
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> > <other stuff deleted>
> >
> > >And if you get stuck with problems while swapping modems, just try to get
> > >some help from MacroShaft. There's plenty of relevant information in the
> > >Windows Help files (NOT) and also lots of useful advice on the M$ website
> > >(double knot). It's almost as if it never occurred to them that someone
> > might
> > >want to change their hardware after the initial install.
> >
> > Ok- my .02 worth: MS doesn't write their stuff for the users who want
> > to change things (hardware or software)
> > around. That's not their customer base. Their users are (mostly) the "turn
> > it on and run the apps" group. And that's fine. Somebody has to look after
> > that market. I personally don't believe that MS can (or should) be an OS for
> > the people who want to get their hands dirty. Bottom line though, is you can
> > do Linux type activities in MS, and vice-versa, but its better to use each
> > for what its best at. I wouldn't write a thesis in vi, e.g.
>
Neither would I, but I'm an emacs kind of guy.
>
> Operating systems should support hardware changes. Period. Swapping out a
> modem is not at all "Linux type". I have upgraded hardware on old machines
> and have had to swap out hardware on newer machines for reasons of
> compatibility. It's very common for people to want to upgrade their machine
> in some way, or switch to another piece of hardware. This is probably done
> more on Windows machines than on Linux machines simply because there are more
> of them.
>
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From: Todd Knarr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Anti-Virus for Linux
Date: 28 Feb 1999 06:32:15 GMT
John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But for a linux system acting as a mail or file server for
> Windows clients, a native scanner program might be useful in
> detecting viruses in the mail spool or elsewhere that might
The biggest problem is the sheer number of formats the virus might
arrive in. The problem isn't scanning for the viruses, it's in
recognizing what you need to scan. And that isn't even counting
the ability of HTML-formatted messages to pull in viruses from
files that don't go through the mail system.
> centrally. I'm sure you know what users are capable of
> doing to their machines...
Oh, yes. Oh, yes indeed. Let's not go there, shall we? I'm
relatively immune, but then I'm paranoid ( I think there's
a connection there ). I'm just glad someone _else_ has to
muck out that particular cesspool.
--
All I want out of the Universe is 10 minutes with the source code and
a quick recompile.
-- unknown
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From: "Rich Perna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 01:34:40 -0500
Mayor Of R'lyeh wrote in message
>I'm pretty much done with this thread. If you guys want to believe
>that a Yugo is safer than a Suburban be my guest.
Finish this thread? What are you, a damn Nazi??? You know, Hitler tried
to...
Heh. EOT
Rich
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From: Russell Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 28 Feb 1999 01:28:26 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson) writes:
> GPL does not promote the freedom of control of your own work, and producing
> derived works using that license causes you to lose control of source
> distribution.
Um, right. Freedom means control? And war means peace, too, I
suppose. Sorry, John, but 1984 was fifteen years ago, and the world
is tending towards more freedom, not less.
--
-russ nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://crynwr.com/~nelson
Crynwr supports Open Source(tm) Software| PGPok | There is good evidence
521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | that freedom is the
Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | cause of world peace.
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From: Ulf Bohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Linux Users in Houston TX
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:18:45 +0100
Rob wrote:
> no kidding....
> EVERYONE has doubts about their abilities.
> ask Eddie Van Halen how he feels about his guitar playing abilities
> and he'll probably respond with "it's ok...but i need to work on this
> or that"
>
Good point, but I'd use Stevie Ray Vaughan for this comparison. He was
quite humble about his abilities. Eddie really need to do some practice
:-)
BTW I'd really like to go to Houston, but this Feldman guy really makes
me doubt.
Anyone got any other good offers in TX?
/Ulf
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Redhat 6.0 Release Schedule?
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 06:30:19 GMT
> Red Hat already uses glibc and has since December 1997 when ed Hat were
> the first to adopt it.
>
glibc 2.1, not 2.0...
Regards,
/ivo welch
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From: "Jim Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 01:57:56 -0500
Gregory Propf wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Jon Wiest wrote:
>>
>> Jason Clifford wrote in message ...
>> >On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Jon Wiest wrote:
>> >Linux is faster, more stable, scales better, can serve dozens of
>> >applications without crashing, etc. That is wiping the floor!
>>
>> Then why do I see all these messages about Netscape locking up? Show me
>> these "wipe the floor" tests, but first let's define "wipe the floor".
How
>> about, say, 100% faster, 50% of the crashes, etc? "Wipe the floor" does
not
>> mean 1 or 2 %
>
>As for Netscape locking up, you WILL find that happening under Linux.
>The difference is that bad software can't crash the whole system under
>Linux like it does ALL THE DAMN TIME under Windows. Don't argue with me
>on this, I work with this garbage every workday and I know what I'm
>talking about.
Maybe running as root is my problem but clicking around in the Control
Center of KDE often hangs my Linux system. The hard drive cranks, like KDE
is in a loop, I can't do crtl-alt-del or ctrl-alt-f2 or anything. I have
push my reset button. I find this disturbing. Like when MS said 32-bit
programs couldn't crash other 32-bit programs or the OS, but yet they in
fact could.
Jim
>
>You demanded numbers. I don't have them but you can find them on the
>web. They will demonstrate that Linux runs the same tests faster on the
>same hardware as compared with any version of Windows. From personal
>and business experience with both systems I can say "Linux does indeed
>wipe the proverbial floor with any version of windows."
>
>> >No flag waving or slogan chanting - simply telling the truth.
>>
>> No truth. I've only seen assertions. Your first assertion started this:
>> "wipe the floor". If you can clarify that I'm all ears.
>>
>> >
>> >Perhaps you would like to be a little more specific with regard to the
>> >"really stupid" things you think Linux does. If they are bugs the Linux
>> >developer community will be more than happy to squash them - you could
>> >even do so yourself if you have the skill.
>>
>> I'd say the whole process of getting it going is pretty stupid. Heck
>> setting up PPP requires me to read and absorb a 50 page HOWTO. That's
okay,
>> I like learning, but gawd, doesn't everybody want PPP?
>
>The difference, of course, is that between an OS that assumes that you
>are a moron (Windows) and one that assumes you can absorb some technical
>details (Linux). Linux is far more configurable than windows in the PPP
>area as a result. Granted, it requires more learning. So what?
>
>>
>> Like I said elsewhere, I'm sick of seeing self-righteous,
self-agrandizing
>>
"I-run-Linux-therefore-if-you-say-anything-nice-about-Windoze-I'm-going-to-s
>> hriek" messages. Each has it's merit.
>
>Well, no, actually Windows doesn't have any merit apart from its ability
>to subvert the industry's attempt to develop standard protocols and
>APIs. Without it the whole software industry would have fewer menial
>jobs today ("Oh , please Mr. Technician help me reboot my computer for
>the 10,000th time today) and far more that actually contributed to the
>real progress of computer science and technology. Microsoft is a giant
>anchor tied to the throats of everyone in the computer industry today.
>The only progress will come from the rejection of their proprietary
>"solutions". As someone saddled with the task of supporting MS's
>worthless products I resent the implication that they have done anything
>worthwhile.
>
>
>
>>
>> Jon
>
>--
>
>"I wanted plutonium, not Beanie Babies..."
> - Sadaam Hussein, in a letter to Santa Claus.
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