Linux-Misc Digest #238, Volume #19 Sun, 28 Feb 99 22:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: Windows Printing System (Grant Taylor)
Re: need some application recommendations (Bill Blarg)
Re: More bad news for NT ("Jim Ross")
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Richard Steiner)
Re: More bad news for NT ("Jim Ross")
Re: More bad news for NT ("Jim Ross")
Re: need some application recommendations (FusionGyro)
Re: Mouse Response ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Setting resolution to 600x480 (Sravanthi Cheruku)
Re: Missing Screen Savers in RedHad v5.2? (FusionGyro)
Encore ENL832-TX LAN Driver; n/w card problem (Kishore)
Exporting Windows filesystem for Linux... (Brian Woo)
Re: More bad news for NT ("Jim Ross")
Re: Mouse Response (FusionGyro)
Re: FreeAgent for Linux (Monte Milanuk)
Re: Windows Printing System (Mark Hahn)
Re: Reading Xenix hard drive from Linux (L J Bayuk)
Re: Installing PATCH GTK+-1.1.15-1.1.16 (FusionGyro)
LOCAL: LUG Wanted Red Deer, AB, CA (James Bourne)
Re: Mouse Response (Seth Van Oort)
Re: Where are basic linux commands (bklimas)
Re: Win95 vs. Win98 and Linux (Seth Van Oort)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (david parsons)
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From: Grant Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows Printing System
Date: 28 Feb 1999 21:07:16 -0500
"Lars-G�ran Andersson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm an owner of an Canon LBP-660 laser printer designed for
> WindowsNT/95. Now I wonder if there is an existing driver for that
> printer. It would be nice to be able to use it even in Linux!
The BJC-610 and 620 work perfectly with Ghostscript's "bjc600"
driver. I suspect that the 660 should, as well. Give it a shot!
Whatever happens, please update the Printing HOWTO's compatibility
listing to include your printer. The list, and the new printer form
are at http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/pht/printer_list.cgi
--
Grant Taylor - gtaylor@picante<dot>com - http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/
Cellphone information: http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/cell/
Libretto information: http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/
Linux Printing HOWTO: http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/pht/
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From: Bill Blarg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: need some application recommendations
Date: 28 Feb 1999 14:36:54 -0500
Midnight commander runs under x. It's pretty nice, so you might give
it a look. Window managers I've tried and liked are olvwm, afterstep,
and window-maker. As far as other recommended apps, get emacs.
blargh
"Peter Worcester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi all,
> I'm a Linux newbie and I am looking for some recommendations for some
> applications. I know there are bazillion applications out there so I'm
> looking for a few shortcuts.
<snip>
> Thanks in advance
> Peter
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From: "Jim Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 21:25:46 -0500
Jerry Lynn Kreps wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Jim Ross wrote:
><snip>
>> Maybe running as root is my problem but clicking around in the Control
>> Center of KDE often hangs my Linux system. The hard drive cranks, like
KDE
>> is in a loop, I can't do crtl-alt-del or ctrl-alt-f2 or anything. I have
>> push my reset button. I find this disturbing. Like when MS said 32-bit
>> programs couldn't crash other 32-bit programs or the OS, but yet they in
>> fact could.
>> Jim
>
>Have you cntrl+alt+F2 (or F3 -F6) to open another console, log in as
>another user, and run ps to get a PID number to kill the Xserver, or
>just "shutdown -r now"?
No. I tried that. I tried cntrl-alt-backspace too. Nothing works.
The hard drive cranks. Basically, a solid hang. The mouse even stops
responding. I login as root, I don't know if that makes it more likely but
I would image this type of hang would happen as a user too.
Jim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 20:25:33 -0600
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, "JACK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake unto us, saying:
>the best free unix is the one where its users do not get involved with
>meaningless arguments. that others have to download at a price
No offense intended, but most newsreaders have a killfile or some sort
of article scoring capability built in.
Since it's not possible to control the behavior of others on Usenet,
perhaps now is a good time to explore that particular feature of the
newsreader you're using. Assuming it has one.
--
-Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
OS/2 + Linux (Slackware+RedHat+SuSE) + FreeBSD + Solaris + BeOS +
WinNT4 + Win95 + PC/GEOS + MacOS + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven!
Return Your Stewardess To Her Original Upright Position!
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From: "Jim Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 21:26:36 -0500
Perry Pip wrote in message ...
>On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 01:57:56 -0500, Jim Ross
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Maybe running as root is my problem but clicking around in the Control
>>Center of KDE often hangs my Linux system. The hard drive cranks, like
KDE
>>is in a loop, I can't do crtl-alt-del or ctrl-alt-f2 or anything. I have
>>push my reset button. I find this disturbing. Like when MS said 32-bit
>>programs couldn't crash other 32-bit programs or the OS, but yet they in
>>fact could.
>>Jim
>
>Sounds Like something is crashing your X-Server, not Linux.
>
>Perry
No it's more like a hang. And since ctrl-alt-f2 doesn't response then
basically my entire Linux system is hung.
Jim
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From: "Jim Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 21:30:07 -0500
Greg Yantz wrote in message ...
>Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>
>> Jim Ross wrote:
>> <snip>
>> > Maybe running as root is my problem but clicking around in the Control
>> > Center of KDE often hangs my Linux system. The hard drive cranks, like
KDE
>> > is in a loop, I can't do crtl-alt-del or ctrl-alt-f2 or anything. I
have
>> > push my reset button. I find this disturbing. Like when MS said
32-bit
>> > programs couldn't crash other 32-bit programs or the OS, but yet they
in
>> > fact could.
>> > Jim
>>
>> Have you cntrl+alt+F2 (or F3 -F6) to open another console, log in as
>> another user, and run ps to get a PID number to kill the Xserver, or
>> just "shutdown -r now"?
>
>It's quite possible that his display was so totally hosed that any kind
>of keyboard input was no longer an option. Ctrl-Alt-F2 may not have done
>anything.... I've had similar problems myself; very occasionally bad
>things happen when you change screen resolutions while xawtv is
>running. ;)
Yes the system seemed like in a loop. I would just click through the Control
Center. I use QT 1.42 and KDE 1.1. Nothing I did seems to have an effect.
The hard drive was just cranking. I only had Control Center open in KDE and
I have 64MB ram. I might check and see if I can hang for a third time, then
see if I'm leaking memory.
Jim
>
>However, I've always been able to clean things up by telnet-ing into the
>machine. Even when the X server goes south in such a way that it makes
>your console unusable, the whole system isn't toast. You certainly can't
>say that about an MS system.
>
>-Greg
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From: FusionGyro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: need some application recommendations
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 19:34:46 -0700
Peter Worcester wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm a Linux newbie and I am looking for some recommendations for some
> applications. I know there are bazillion applications out there so I'm
> looking for a few shortcuts.
>
Well, I'm a newbie, so to speak.
>
> Window Manager...
> I have seen CDE, WindowMaker, FVWM2,FVW95 and KDE and a few others. I kinda
> like KDE for one. Whats everyone else think are the best ones. (Please I
> don't want to start a war here, I know these things are kind of personal but
> I'd like some advive)
>
You're right, they're personal. Here's my experience, and why.
Well, I don't want to start a war either, but here's what I've found from
personal experience:
CDE didn't work for me. I also have a moral objection to anything claiming to
be the "common" desktop environment...
GNOME stuff: I haven't tried it (yet).
WM is nice, but is on the guzzling side of resource usage, and has some strange
problems (see afterstep). It also suffers from some strangely anti-ergonomic
problems (in my opinion): you have to make new desktops in the upper left
corner, which is also where you switch between them. I don't like that; I want
to switch desktops when I hit the edge of the screen hard enough. But if you
like it, it's cool.
KDE is pretty good, especially if you're just beginning to use Linux; it's very
reminiscient of windows. OTOH, it really eats resources, because once
everything's up and running, it does the file management side as well as a few
others. Go for it; it can make things a lot easier, but it isn't the best thing
since sliced bread.
Enlightenment is very pretty. It is also a major resource drain, a MAJOR pain
in the ass to set up (I had to download something like 10 libraries to get it to
do anything!!!) But, it's the one you'll whip out to impress your friends. The
things I can say about Enlightenment: 1. expect it to be around as a cool thing
for a long time 2. get some themes; they're very pretty 3. it's interface is
a weird combination of Amiga and Afterstep 4. It is a drain 5. it is pretty
6. it is a pain. In short, it's a labor of love, and not one I'd give more
than an "it's cool" recommendation. It wasn't worth it for me, but I have it
for showing off.
FVWM95 and FVWM2 are exactly the same, just setup differently. However, FVWM2,
when properly configured, uses next to no resources, is very fast, and all
around, great. But it's also very spartan when setup properly. In any case,
you can make FVWM2 look just like FVWM, and it works better, so go with FVWM2
(if you're looking here). It's highly configurable, more so than any other WM,
AFAIK, but perfecting your config file will take a lot of work (probably more
than it's worth).
AfterStep is somehow connected to WM, I think... I'm not really sure how this
works. I like Afterstep, but it does tend to slow things down a bit.
AmiWM is pretty cool, easy to set up, and frankly, more barren than FVWM or
FVWM2. It's very spartan, and clearly made to look as similar to the Amiga as
possible (duh). But, it's configuration is a snap, and it runs pretty good.
Lesstif-MWM sucks. Use only if you must; FVWM2 does the same stuff better. I
downloaded it, installed it, and it was just a major waste of time, for me.
UDE is really neat, especially because it's based on a whole new concept, which
is that no windows have title bars; rather, they have slightly thicker borders,
and you click on the borders to activate the circular menu (which was recently
found to be easier to learn for humans than vertical or horizontal menus). It's
neat, but not anywhere near completion.
Blackbox is nice, but doesn't offer much of anything that you can't get with
other WM's. I'd still get it to fiddle with it, though. It is, however,
excellent with respect to resources.
Ice-WM is terrible. Huge fonts, combined with a general win95 look don't do it
for me.
Something I've noticed with a LOT of window managers is the tendancy to make
everything as small as possible, use really big resolutions, and then have a
bunch of HUGE buttons which allow you access to your programs (wharf, in WM or
afterstep, FVWM-buttons, the buttons in Enlightenment). I prefer the more menu
based WM's, myself, like blackbox, afterstep ignoring the buttons, FVWM with the
buttons program disabled, KWM for the most part, etc. It basically comes down
to your personal preferences. I recommend that you do what I did, which is
search the net for window managers, and download all of them. Then, play with
them. It's actually a lot of fun.
>
> FAQ....
> Are there any FAQ out there ? I want info on accessing my ods/windows
> partitions, in specific
>
???? this makes no sense to me...
>
> Any other recomendations you all think I won't be able to live without.
>
get information at www.slashdot.org comes to mind. www.linuxapps.com is useful,
but really nasty, interface-wise... Otherwise, that's about it.
FusionGyro
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Mouse Response
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 02:34:53 GMT
Thanks
That did the trick.
Ian
On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 19:01:03 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J.M. Paden)
wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>I just installed Red Hat v5.2 and the XFree86.
>>
>>I find my mouse is not as responsive as with MS Windows even if I use
>>the Acceleration. Is this normal for Linux?
>>Is there any software I have to load to make it better?
>
>The following commands in your ~/.xinitrc file will speed up the
>mouse in X:
>xset m 4 2 &
>or
>xset m 3 10 &
>
>You can play around with these numbers until you find one that is
>satisfactory. Use "man xset" for details.
>Regards,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "The last temptation is the greatest treason:
> To do the right deed for the wrong reason."
> --T.S. Eliot
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From: Sravanthi Cheruku <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Setting resolution to 600x480
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 18:05:04 -0600
I am unable to get my X windows to cover the whole screen. It appears
in the middle of the screen. I have tried changing the resolution the
config file but still can't get it. I have RedHat 5.1 loaded and
XF86_SVGA version 3.3.3 dowloaded.
Please help.
Cheruku
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From: FusionGyro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Missing Screen Savers in RedHad v5.2?
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 19:35:40 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I just installed Red Hat v5.2 and XFree86. When I checked out the
> Screen Savers.... They don't seem to be anywhere.
> Can anyone tell me what happened to them?
> Previous installs had them all installed.
>
> Ian
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
tried running "xlock --help"?
FusionGyro
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From: Kishore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Encore ENL832-TX LAN Driver; n/w card problem
Date: 1 Mar 1999 02:31:28 GMT
Folks:
I have successfully installe dLinux with the support of this site.
But now I return back with a new problem.
WHne I look at the /var/log/messages
it says that
Warning: Unknown PCI device (10ec:8139)
Please read include/linux/pci.h
Clibrating dealy loop ..ok 160...........
I tried typing
ifconfig eth0
it says unknown device ,
plese lead me to my destination .Installing a network Powerful Linux
workstation
I read the documentation and they say compile your kernel , I am afraid of
those words can youtell me what they mean!!
Please if pos' give me steps to do..
thanks for the input in advance
-kishore
Thanks for your input.
Kishore
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Woo)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Exporting Windows filesystem for Linux...
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 21:34:26 -0500
Hi all,
Is there a way to export MS-Windows filesystem and let Linux mount it?
I have tried the following:
mount -t msdos 123.123.123.2:/public /mnt/public
However, it wasn't successful...
This reason that I am asking is because I wanted to use WINE to run some
of the Win95's applications on my Linux... but unsuccessfully... Would
Samba work? I thought Samba is just like FTP... you can only transfer
files but not share the same file system.
Thanks in advance...
Brian
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From: "Jim Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 21:33:47 -0500
Jon Wiest wrote in message <7bc158$fth$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Perry Pip wrote in message ...
>>On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 01:57:56 -0500, Jim Ross
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>Center of KDE often hangs my Linux system. The hard drive cranks, like
>KDE
>>>is in a loop, I can't do crtl-alt-del or ctrl-alt-f2 or anything. I have
>
>>Sounds Like something is crashing your X-Server, not Linux.
>
>
>Uh, if he can't get another console, and he can't get it to stop what it's
>doing, isn't that a crash at the Linux level? If the crashing X server
>makes Linux inaccessable, what's the difference?
>
>Jon
Ya. I'm not networked so I can't telnet in and fix it either.
It's a little disturbing at this point. One though is a bad memory leak but
I'm not sure yet.
Jim
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From: FusionGyro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Mouse Response
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 19:37:27 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I just installed Red Hat v5.2 and the XFree86.
>
> I find my mouse is not as responsive as with MS Windows even if I use
> the Acceleration. Is this normal for Linux?
> Is there any software I have to load to make it better?
>
well, it really depends. On my friend's computer, the mouse performs a
lot better in Linux, but I don't know why... he's a newbie, and can't
have done anything weird. I guess you could jack up the mouse
resolution, but I'm not sure that would help or anything...
FusionGyro
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From: Monte Milanuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FreeAgent for Linux
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 20:35:51 -0600
> you must risk - and try to forget about Agent
> it is best newsreader under Windoze, but there are better ones under Linux
Alright, I have to get in here. Better late than never. I haven't used
any of the non-X/KDE/Gtk based readers (primarily 'cause I'm too much of
a chicken to mess w/ inn or leafnode yet. qmail was supposed to be
easy, but ended up spanking me pretty hard) I am having to use Netscape
Communicator 4.5 for all my needs right now, and while it works pretty
well, I would like something that would retrieve all the messages in my
subscribed groups once a day or so, and let me browse them, though w/
the ignore & watch & spam filters available in Netscape & Agent. I have
been trying to decide which is the lesser of the two evils, wine & Agent
99, or setting up leafnode/inn. Here you imply that there are better
ones under linux. Are you saying GUI based, or CLI? For what its
worth, and no offense to whoever busted their tail creating it, but I
can't stand knews. If there is a GUI newsreader w/ the functionality of
Agent under Linux, please let me know asap.
thanks,
Monte
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From: Mark Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows Printing System
Date: 1 Mar 1999 02:25:40 GMT
> I'm an owner of an Canon LBP-660 laser printer designed for
> WindowsNT/95.
judging from the name, this is false. for some reason, moronic
marketing types (that's redundant, I know) think that "designed for Windows"
is a good thing, even if it's a lie. I strongly suspect the 660 is
a minor extension of the 600, which is supported by ghostscript 5.5.
(actually, even 3.33 seems to support it.
> Now I wonder if there is an existing driver for that
> printer. It would be nice to be able to use it even in Linux!
"driver" is not the issue, since a parallel port is pretty much
just a parallel port. the issue is rendering into the printer's
language, which is what ghostscript does very well.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (L J Bayuk)
Subject: Re: Reading Xenix hard drive from Linux
Date: 1 Mar 1999 02:44:39 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I have Hundred of data files to transfer from an old Xenix hard drive to a
>Linux HD, but it seems impossible to access Xenix from Linix - or the other
>way round.
>
>I have to transfer the files from the Xenix drive to the DOS partition on
>the Xenix drive, then mount the Dos partition from Linux. By transferring
>from DOS to Linux, the filenames change from upppercase to lowercase,
>creating more work for me !!!!
>
>Any suggestions. How can I mount a Xenix hard drive from Linux ?
Have you tried using the Linux "sysv" filesystem? It supports
Xenix filesystems according to the docs. Compile this
into your kernel, or load it as a module. You should then be
able to mount the Xenix filesystem disk directly.
Failing that, you can use tar to copy via the DOS partition,
and preserve the filenames and attributes.
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From: FusionGyro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Installing PATCH GTK+-1.1.15-1.1.16
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 19:47:21 -0700
Jason Clifford wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, sabunimjw wrote:
>
> > Also if anyone knows of a "Learn Linux in 21 Days" book or I settle
> > for "Learn Linux in a Year" book. Just something to make me feel less
> > helpless in my quest to escape the "Microsoft Strong Hold"!
>
> Learn Linux in 24 hours published by SAMS.
>
I recommend "Running Linux", though it does have certain problems (no PPP
section, uses old information). The 24 hour/ 21 day books tend to take the
easy way out a lot.
FusionGyro
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Bourne)
Subject: LOCAL: LUG Wanted Red Deer, AB, CA
Date: 1 Mar 1999 02:47:44 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
I am inquiring of the existance of a LUG in the Red Deer, Alberta, Canada
area, and if there is not an existing LUG, I would like to know of the
interest in starting a LUG.
I have searched in the appropriate places for users groups, but have not
found any in this area thus far. As far as I have been able to ascertain,
there are LUGs in Edmonton, Calgary, and Lethbridge.
Please contact me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with any
information you might have on existing LUGs and if there is enough interest
in one in this area, and one has not yet been formed, I am willing to take
the lead in organizing and setting up of the LUG.
Regards,
Jim
--
James Bourne | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Affinity Systems Inc. | WWW: http://www.affinity-systems.ab.ca
Everything Unix | Linux: The choice of a GNU generation
======================================================================
Unix System Administration, System programming, Network Administration
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From: Seth Van Oort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Mouse Response
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 02:51:59 +0000
In Linux the mouse is updated up to 100 times per second if need be (on
my computer at least). Doing tests with Windows98 in Java last summer
seemed to indicate the max was around 42. Now I would never have thought
I could tell the difference, but when I go to Windows I notice right
away. It's not as though Windows is jerky, but in Linux it's very
smooth.
Seth
FusionGyro wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > I just installed Red Hat v5.2 and the XFree86.
> >
> > I find my mouse is not as responsive as with MS Windows even if I use
> > the Acceleration. Is this normal for Linux?
> > Is there any software I have to load to make it better?
> >
>
> well, it really depends. On my friend's computer, the mouse performs a
> lot better in Linux, but I don't know why... he's a newbie, and can't
> have done anything weird. I guess you could jack up the mouse
> resolution, but I'm not sure that would help or anything...
>
> FusionGyro
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From: bklimas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where are basic linux commands
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 02:41:18 GMT
"George F. Laun" wrote:
> I am a beginner at RedHat Linux and don't even know the basic commands
> like MD, COPY & etc. Where can I find them?
>
> George Laun
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Try my homepage:
http://www.magma.ca/~bklimas/Linux_commands.htm
Also, you will find lot of useful learning links under:
http://members.aa.net/~swear/pedia/learning-linux.html
Finally, paper does not bite. There is no substitute for a good
handbook.
Best regards,
b.k.
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From: Seth Van Oort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win95 vs. Win98 and Linux
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 03:06:08 +0000
Bev wrote:
>
> Gerald Willmann wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > All views welcome, of course.
> >
> > my view on this is that a discussion of the relative merits of different
> > M$ OSs does not belong in a linux newsgroup.
> > Gerald
>
> You mean YOU'D trust a M$ addict to give advice? I think the views of
What's the difference between that and asking a Linux addict which
distribution to use? I have win98 on my computer. What I can say is that
the line about improved performance in win98 is a load of ... win98 is
just a chance for microsoft to put more stuff in their os that directly
encourages you to use more microsoft stuff, stuff that you can't remove.
> linux users regarding which inferior OS they would prefer to use given that
> they HAD to use one is a valid subject.
>
> My opinion: Win95 is OK -- probably because I spent a lot of time on it
> tweaking and adding useful tidbits. 98 seems operationally the same
> but has too many cutesy features (like making everything look like a
> browser window by default) that I couldn't get rid of in the few hours I
> played with it on somebody else's machine. Win3.1 crashes easier than 95,
> but editing .ini files is easier and less stressful than editing the
> registry.
>
> Come on, Gerald, be nice...
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Bev
> *****************************************
> "Don't force it, use a bigger hammer!"
> --M. Irving
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From: o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s (david parsons)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 28 Feb 1999 18:55:18 -0800
In article <7bcqvl$211$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Tim Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>david parsons <o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s> wrote:
>> The GPL lets you modify the code it applies to, and Linus explicitly
>> allows binary-only modules.
>
>Linus does not have the power to make such an exception.
Sure he does. He is, after all, the author of the original work, and
he does set the licensing terms. If he's planning on tweaking the
copyright now to enforce an interface copyright, then he'll have
problems, because even if there's a legal footing for implicit consent
to an existing license when you send patches in, I strongly suspect
that there's no legal footing for later changing the licensing out
from under already existing code.
You're right that once the licensing terms have been set they can't
be changed out from under people. That's why it's perfectly legitimate
to ship a binary-only module as well as the GPLed glue to attach it
into the baseline kernel.
If the GPL in the linux kernel was infectious across module
boundaries, there'd be some pretty severe problems with some of the
BSD-licensed code that's distributed with the baseline kernel
(bsd_comp.c, slip.c, slhc.c, tpqic02.c all have copyright notices
giving ownership to the Regents; most of them also include the
bog-standard BSD license.) It's possible, I suppose, that Linus and
the core development team are simply stealing the code outright and
guessing that the Regents don't have the legal horsepower to defend
their copyright, but they're not that stupid.
____
david parsons \bi/ Better sue me, too, because I'm tweaking the linux
\/ kernel to talk to proprietary code.
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