Linux-Misc Digest #297, Volume #19 Thu, 4 Mar 99 11:13:12 EST
Contents:
Re: StarOffice anyone?? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: kcore ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Freedom (Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)) (John S. Dyson)
Re: Watching a telnet session ("Warren Rodie")
Re: checking installed rpms ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Problems with 'home-built' bootdisks (David Fetterman)
bash: /usr/bin/rpm2cpio: No such file or directory (Rod Brick)
Re: Speed of accessing tousands of files in a directory? (Volker Borchert)
Motif-Libraries (Marcus Werner)
equivalent of edit? (ErickShun6)
Re: message: Command not found (David Kirkpatrick)
Re: R/3 for Linux (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: Adjust time drift? (Stef)
Re: Watching a telnet session ("Robert B. Hamilton")
Re: Adjust time drift? ("Robert B. Hamilton")
Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion (Bernhard Reiter)
Re: More bad news for NT ("David Hawthorne")
Re: More bad news for NT (Greg Yantz)
Kernel 2.2.2 Intel ("Herman Z. Resto")
Re: Help Working under w95 but not under RH 5.2 Linux (James Youngman)
Re: Anti-Virus for Linux (D. Dale Gulledge)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: StarOffice anyone??
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:48:04 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Craig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> the script /Office50/bin/soffice, but I've had no luck.
Explain.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: kcore
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:48:50 GMT
Eric Ho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In my /proc directory, there is a "kcore" file which is
> over 130Meg, and is growing everyday.
read the linux faq
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Freedom (Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?))
Date: 3 Mar 1999 19:47:52 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Lars Hecking <lhecking+u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Russell Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson) writes:
>>
>> > GPL does not promote the freedom of control of your own work, and producing
>> > derived works using that license causes you to lose control of source
>> > distribution.
>>
>> Um, right. Freedom means control? And war means peace, too, I
>> suppose. Sorry, John, but 1984 was fifteen years ago, and the world
>> is tending towards more freedom, not less.
>
> IYM the freedom to use your mobile phone in the bathrooom, you are
> certainly right.
>
It is so funny when some people take comments out of context "freedom
means control?" :-). Freedom does help support or enable the control
of ones posessions. I come out on the side of one being able to expect
that one can control their destiny (to an extent) or one can control the
tools that they might be able use to help control their destiny.
So, an aspect of freedom is that one can control "tools". There is
a terrible movement to give human attribute to such tools (like freedom.)
Those tools deserve nothing, but are simple objects or ideas. It
must be those who blur the distinction between the virtual world of the
net and the real world. The net is only a tool, and the software that
I use is only a tool. Those who subordinate themselves to such tools
become less valuable and interesting than the tools themselves. It
is a sad commentary on how some people behave when they are properly
fed, and comfortable. Some people become lazy, and don't continue to
defend their freedom, deferring to "those who know better" :-(.
Just because one person has an object, doesn't mean that someone else
has a right to that object. That object might have been created with
great labor, and some consideration might be fair for the transfer of
such an object or manifestation of idea.
I guess if I am a bigot, it is that I am a pro-human bigot relative
to objects, things and tools.
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John | Never try to teach a pig to sing,
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] | and it irritates the pig.
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From: "Warren Rodie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Watching a telnet session
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 08:43:28 +1100
Probably easier than that would be to use something like ttysnoop, which
allows you to make a copy of the pty and watch what happens in real time.
Warren Rodie
David Kirkpatrick wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>You can watch on the linux side with tcpdump -i eth0.
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Is there a way to watch whats going on in a telnet session in real time?
Just
>> curious
>>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: checking installed rpms
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 12:58:10 GMT
Robert Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Feb 1999 08:07:55 -0800, Gerald Willmann
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> "S.5....T /etc/X11/fvwm2/menus.rc"
>>
>>man rpm! - even rpm has a man page.
> Oh great! I found this command with the help of the man page, I cannot
> identify the output - and to this day found nobody who would explain.
Why not actually bother to read the manpage for rpm then ?
man rpm
VERIFY OPTIONS
The general form of an rpm verify command is
rpm -V|-y|--verify [verify-options]
Verifying a package compares information about the installed files in the
package with information about the
files taken from the original package and stored in the rpm database. Among
other things, verifying compares
the size, MD5 sum, permissions, type, owner and group of each file. Any
discrepencies are displayed. The
package specification options are the same as for package querying.
Files that were not installed from the package, for example documentation files
excluded on installation using
the "--excludedocs" option, will be silently ignored.
The format of the output is a string of 8 characters, a possible "c"
denoting a configuration file, and then
the file name. Each of the 8 characters denotes the result of a comparison of
one attribute of the file to the
value of that attribute recorded in the RPM database. A single "." (period)
means the test passed. The fol-
lowing characters denote failure of certain tests:
5 MD5 sum
S File size
L Symlink
T Mtime
D Device
U User
G Group
M Mode (includes permissions and file type)
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From: David Fetterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Problems with 'home-built' bootdisks
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 16:51:04 -0500
Martin,
Thanks for the help. I tried the 'cat root.gz > /dev/fd0' method and
the error repeated. My original effort consisted of:
made a ext2 fs on a zero'd file
mounted via loopback
populated fs
umount'd fs
gzip'd fs file to rootfs.gz
fdformat /dev/fd0H1440
dd if=rootfs.gz of=/dev/fd0H1440 bs=1k(tried 512 too) seek=0(tried with
& w/o)
dd says: "1347+1 records in"
"1347+1 records out"
I've noticed I get the same error when trying to mount /dev/fd0 after
copying the image, but instead of the kernel panic line, I get "Invalid
MS-DOS filesystem, you must specify filesystem type" or something along
those lines. Maybe this info helps, maybe not... Any more ideas?
Thanks,
Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Martin wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
> I am uncertian how you made the boot disk and root disk, but it looks
> like the root disk has a FAT filesystem on it. Did you just copy the gzip'd
> root image to the floppy ?
> If that is the case, it will not work. You need to write the image over the
> top of the FAT filesystem. I assume you have the program rawwrite.exe, and
> have used it to make the boot disk. If so, do the same thing with the root
> image. This process will overwrite the FAT filesystem and replace it with
> the filesystem from the image.
> If you do not have rawwrite, a search at www.redhat.com will point you to a
> copy. Assuming the root image is called root.gz do :-
>
> rawwrite
>
> you willl be prompted for the name of the image file, type :-
>
> root.gz
>
> You will be prompted for the destination drive, type :-
>
> a:
>
> If you already have a working linux box, you can do the same with the
> command :-
>
> cat root.gz > /dev/fd0
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Martin
> David Fetterman wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >
> >I'm having troubles getting a boot disk to work after following the
> >Bootdisk-HOWTO. I'm using a 2.0.35 kernel, using LILO to boot, and have
> >a separate root filesystem disk. LILO and the kernel seem to load fine,
> >but after hitting ENTER after changing disks to the gzip'd root fs
> >image, the kernel panics with the following:
> >
> >[MS-DOS FS Rel. 12, FAT16, check=n, conv=b, uid=0, guid=0, umask=022,
> >bmap]
> >[me=0x59,cs=480,#5=217,fs=38224,fl=49760,ds=22704,de=20478,data=23984,
> >se=2450,ts=629539330,ls=2459,rc=0,fc=4294967295]
> >Transaction block size=512
> >Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 02:00
> >
> >This error happens almost immediately. I'm able to boot the system with
> >a DOS boot disk, so I don't think the drive itself is the problem. I'm
> >wondering if there's something I left out of the lilo.conf or if I am
> >missing something somewhere else...
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Dave
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Rod Brick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: bash: /usr/bin/rpm2cpio: No such file or directory
Date: 4 Mar 1999 04:36:49 GMT
bash: /usr/bin/rpm2cpio: No such file or directory
Can someone tell me why I get this message when I try to run rpm2cpio?
The file exists, it's in my path. I recently upgraded from libc5.3.12
to libc5.4.46. I suspect this is part of the problem. Can someone tell
me what to do short of using any rpm utilities to fix this?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Volker Borchert)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.shell
Subject: Re: Speed of accessing tousands of files in a directory?
Date: 4 Mar 1999 12:46:01 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Philip Lijnzaad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|> hm. You probably want to do this in perl, using its directory primitives. One
|> thing that speeds up parsing the file names is to at least always cd to the
|> directory in question.
That won't speed up the open() system call's linear search through
the directory. Two solutions come to mind:
- use a file system with a nonlinear directory structure - IIRC
there is something out there that uses balanced trees
- use a "hashed" subdirectory structure like terminfo or apache
mod_proxy do to reduce the number of entries in a directory
--
"I'm a doctor, not a mechanic." Dr Leonard McCoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"I'm a mechanic, not a doctor." Volker Borchert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Marcus Werner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Motif-Libraries
Date: 4 Mar 1999 13:15:20 GMT
If I not in the correct news group please tell me.
I am new LINUX user. I tried to install an astro-program xephem. xephem
only runs under motif. I need for linking static libraries for motif. I
downloded lesstif, but it seems for me very difficult to produce the
right libraries whitout destroying our running LINUX-mail-server.
Is there anyboby out the there
Marcus
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ErickShun6)
Subject: equivalent of edit?
Date: 3 Mar 1999 22:22:03 GMT
I know it's kinda a stupid question but what is the equvalent of edit in linux?
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From: David Kirkpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: message: Command not found
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:17:28 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
echo $PATH and see if the paths listed match the path of where
the file is your trying to execute. If its not then it will not
be foune.
OR go to the directory where the file is and execute it with
./filename.
Stefan Sassenberg wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I�ve got the following problem:
>
> When I execute a file, my machine says �Command not found�.
>
> The path is set correctly, the file exists, I have the appropriate
> rights, �whereis� finds it in the path and I can type it using command
> completion (TAB key).
>
> This happens only with some files. One of them was self written and I
> could solve the problem by recompiling it.
>
> Switching over to another shell has no effect.
>
> Can you please help me?
>
> Thanks
>
> Stefan
>
> --
> "Only the blind follow me"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Subject: Re: R/3 for Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 14:22:15 GMT
On 4 Mar 1999 10:20:10 GMT, Student <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>Edelgard Eberlein ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) tried to convey the following message:
>
>: Hello,
>
>: did you read, that SAP R/3 now is available for Linux? What's your
>: opinion about this subject? Please write it down in our forum "Linux f�r
>: R/3":
>
>:
>http://www.sapmag.de/cgi-bin/FORUM/Ultimate.cgi/action=intro/BypassCookie=true/sap_t_ressort=talk/sap_t_rubrik=21
>
>Well, at my work I have to work with R/3 on NT. SAP is extremely stable, but
>NT is not. So I cheer at the idea of an even more stable system with SAP.
>
>OK?
Keep in mind:
- R/3 first ran on UNIX. (Or perhaps ... mumble ... VMS ...)
Large sites are running R/3 on UNIX, not NT.
- R/3 is probably also fairly stable on OS/390 and AS/400 :-).
Adding Linux to the "fray" does *not* mean that software is being
ported from NT to Linux; it probably simply means that SAP AG takes
the Solaris version of the R/3 kernel and "makes" it for Linux.
Linux does not thus far support the same array of fail-over and other
high availability technologies that are available for HP/UX, Solaris,
and whatever Compaq/Digital is calling UNIX this month...
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to free software today?..."
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From: Stef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Adjust time drift?
Date: 3 Mar 1999 21:39:51 +0100
: As long as you are connected to net, simplest solution is to
: install xntpd, which keeps the clock sync'ed to net timeservers
: very accurately.
I had a look on the xntpd documentation. It seems rather complicated
to me... I use Debian 2.0 and have xntpd allready installed and
running on my system. In /etc/ntp.conf the last line said:
#server
I changed that to
server foo
Where foo is our ntp server, and restarted xntpd. Is that correct?
Thanks!
Stef
--
WebMaster D-WERK
President SOS-ETH
ETH Zurich
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hoes.li
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From: "Robert B. Hamilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Watching a telnet session
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:29:45 -0600
On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Is there a way to watch whats going on in a telnet session in real time? Just
> curious
I've played with ttysnoop for a time, which will do exactly that,
but it got kind of boring since I'm the only one who ever telnets
in.....
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From: "Robert B. Hamilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Adjust time drift?
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 16:13:28 -0600
> I had a look on the xntpd documentation. It seems rather complicated
> to me... I use Debian 2.0 and have xntpd allready installed and
> running on my system. In /etc/ntp.conf the last line said:
> #server
>
> I changed that to
> server foo
>
> Where foo is our ntp server, and restarted xntpd. Is that correct?
In my home computer I have only the server line and the driftfile line.
Interesting that the docs are so complicated while the client setup is
really quite simple.
Just check your clock using perhaps "ntpdate -q foo" and see if it is
working as expected :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bernhard Reiter)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion
Date: 4 Mar 1999 00:16:23 GMT
On 03 Mar 1999 16:55:55 -0700, Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefaan A Eeckels) writes:
> Seriously, I'd like to see a system that extends itself based
>> on the stuff (for lack of a better word) the user runs. Where
>> you'd select the editor across the system, and all editing
>> activities happen through that editor (like installing Word
>> and having vi as editor).
>
>This is more of a desktop-implementation issue than an OS issue.
But it also is an os issue.
Ever had a chance to peek at NeXTStep. Especially the services?
>Just the act of doing it:
>
>(mail (uniq (sort (cut (file passwd)))))
>
>is simply a semantic one. I would wager that there is already a
>functional shell for UNIX somewhere.
I always woundered, why "es" is not useed by more people.
(extensible shell, see any gnu ftp mirror, derived from the rc shell
of plan9)
(I also heard of an Scheme shell, which might be running on guile
and esh a new shell development.)
Bernhard
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From: "David Hawthorne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:38:35 -0000
No, no, no... This misses the point of professional computer usage
altogether. As another commentator has already said, there are two types of
computer user - the Gods and the Followers (I paraphrase slightly). We are
the Gods - the computer- literate, who are happy to have a go and to try to
understand the underlying code and operability of the system. The Followers
are happy with what the Gods give them; they play (either Doom or MS Word)
with what they have and don't care how it works. Both points of view are
equally valid. My wife uses the computer for E-mail and WP. I use it for the
internet, WP, Linux, Windows, and anything else that takes my fancy. Which
of us is computer-capable? I say both. Each of us gets what we need -
results and satisfaction.
There is too much of the 'I know operating-system-level commands, so I'm a
REAL computer user' attitude. Microsoft gave us the ability to USE our
computers - all of us, not just the nerd cognoscenti. What does it matter
whether 'they' understand what they're doing? If I write a letter to my bank
manager, and he/she understands it and acts on it, then the computer has
fulfilled its function. I don't need to know C, C++, VB6, Linux, Netware,
etc, to achieve my objective - communication.
The simple fact, whether the computer community likes it or not, is that
that terribly nice Mr. Gates has been a boon to computers - by providing an
OS which the non-nerd can use. I don't know exactly how my car works, but I
can drive to Milan. W95 DOES MAKE COMPUTING EASIER FOR THE MAN IN THE
STREET. Fact. Simple as that. Why argue about it?
>I dont agree with you on the idea that windows makes computers easier
>for lusers to deal with. Any luser is capable of learning a set
>sequence of commands to follow to do a certain thing, and once they
>learn that, they'll do it over and over again without even thinking,
>and appear like a genius with the application.
>
>But very few of them ever really understand exactly WHAT they are
>doing. If you show them how to solve a particular problem, they'll
>solve it themselves from then on 99% of the time. Let them encounter
>a very similar problem that has slightly different symptoms, they're
>back on the phone to you again.
>
>I work with people today who still cant use Windows 95. They dont
>understand the concept of copy and paste, its not natural for them.
>If you've worked with computers in the past, windows is a snap. If
>you're new to computers (or dont have the right sort of mind) ANY
>environment is difficult to work with. Even a mac, for example.
>
>I'll bet apple has a call log full of stupid problems which would make
>even a slightly savvy user laugh their ass off.
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From: Greg Yantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: 04 Mar 1999 10:54:32 -0500
"Jon Wiest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Greg Yantz wrote in message ...
> >The rest of your system is almost certainly OK. You just can't communicate
> >with it. It's still breathing, just deaf-mute. :\
>
> O that's great. Maybe he should just let it sit there, fully content that
> Linux itself hasn't been violated.
Well, if the machine was networked to anything, he'd be fine. If there
was a dumb terminal hanging off the machine, he'd be fine.
While it *is* annoying that the console is totally unresponsive, there are
ways to fix it without rebooting. This is in contrast to systems where
the console IS the OS...
> Jon
-Greg
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From: "Herman Z. Resto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Kernel 2.2.2 Intel
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 16:39:03 -0600
Just built kernel 2.2.2 for Intel Machine. I am getting a message that
the Mouse "GPM" is obsolete, and that I should reconfigure hardware to
use dev/ttys0 instead of /dev/cua0. Does anyone know how to do this?
I am no longer able to run KDE with or w/o GPM because mouse input has
no effect on desktop. Everthing else runs fine using different window
managers. (Afterstep, FVWM, TheNextStep, etc....)
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From: James Youngman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Help Working under w95 but not under RH 5.2 Linux
Date: 02 Mar 1999 20:49:45 +0000
Rajat & Papia Goon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I am using SMC PCI-NIC. In auto probing it finds it irq 11 and address
> 0xe800 hich matches
> with win95. If I run ifup it's giving delaying eth0 initialization. I am
> using smc9194 module. If
> I use ifconfig then
> SIOCSIFBRDADDR
> eth0 : interface not found
> I am desperately trying to make it work.
Check the module is still loaded, by using lsmod.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (D. Dale Gulledge)
Subject: Re: Anti-Virus for Linux
Date: 03 Mar 1999 16:48:28 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eugene O'Neil) writes:
> However, the original poster was worried about viruses contracted off a
> network, which is virtually impossible under Linux.
Does anyone here know of any Linux viruses? And do they have to initially
infect your system through a trojan horse run by root?
- Dale
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