Linux-Misc Digest #297, Volume #25 Mon, 31 Jul 00 16:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Netscape cookies (Robert Wiegand)
multiple kernels? (John Roberts)
Re: Learn Unix on which Unix Flavour ? (Grant Edwards)
PLIP problem (Nicolas Anquetil)
Re: gcc-newbie question... (Grant Edwards)
Re: I feel bad for RH/Mandrake users. (Bill Unruh)
Re: <XVidTune> (N/A)
Re: Linux on Mac LC III possible? (Morten Dreier)
Re: multiple kernels? (Stephen Hui)
Re: MP3's skip : How I solved it (Stewart Honsberger)
Re: <XVidTune>
Re: I feel bad for RH/Mandrake users. ("Andrew N. McGuire ")
ftpfs for SuSE 6.4... (Roland Mainz)
Re: X-Window must die! What's alternative? (Roland Mainz)
Re: I feel bad for RH/Mandrake users. ("Andrew N. McGuire ")
Re: I feel bad for RH/Mandrake users. ("Andrew N. McGuire ")
Re: Come to my Linux's Website! ("Maarten W.G. Andriessen")
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From: Robert Wiegand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape cookies
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 12:43:42 -0500
"Prasanth A. Kumar" wrote:
> The cookies are kept in ~/.netscape/cookies. Make that file read only
> if you don't wan't Netscape creating any more cookies.
Or open:
Edit->Preferencs->Advanced
You can turn cookies totally off, or have Netscape prompt you
before saving a cookie.
--
Regards,
Bob Wiegand [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: John Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: multiple kernels?
Date: 31 Jul 2000 18:19:50 GMT
I read somewhere that one could have more than one kernel to boot. (one at
a time of course). Where would store them? How would you stat each one?
By floppy? Just wondering.
--
John Roberts
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.solaris.x86,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Learn Unix on which Unix Flavour ?
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:21:02 GMT
In article <8m36fh$dtt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alan Coopersmith wrote:
>>Uh, there is none. ATT owns the trademark for Unix, so I suppose you had
>>better get their unix. (Not that I would advise it.)
>
>AT&T sold the trademark, with the rest of Unix Systems Labs, to Novell in
>the early 90's. Novell gave the trademark to X/Open (now part of the Open
>Group) for use in defining UNIX standards, and then sold the rest to SCO.
>
>Officially, any OS that gets certified as meeting the standards set forth by
>the Open Group can be called "UNIX(TM)" - currently that list includes
>Solaris, AIX, Tru64 (aka Digital UNIX), IRIX, UnixWare, HP-UX, and even IBM
>OS/390.
Which, IMO, means that the actual meaning/value of the brand has been so
diluted it's worth nothing.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! I want another
at RE-WRITE on my CEASAR
visi.com SALAD!!
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From: Nicolas Anquetil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PLIP problem
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:20:22 -0300
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
I am trying to connect to computer with PLIP
I did everything in the PLIP-min-HOWTO, works fine untill I try to ping.
The problem is that one computer -computer A- (a RedHat 6.0, kernel
2.2.16) apparently can talk to the other, but not the converse.
For the "other" computer -computer B-, I tried:
- A desktop running kernel 2.2.16 from a floppy disk (redhat 6.0 rescue
floppy-disk)
- Same desktop runnig dos and the DOS plip driver (crynwr driver)
- A laptop running DOS and the same crynwr driver
In all case, doing a ping from computer B fails and a ping from computer
A, gives an error message on computer B.
The packets are passing through from A to B, but not from B to A.
Hardware:
I just bought the cable
Ports are irq 7, io_adress 0x378 on all machines
Can anybody provide some help?
Thanks
nicoals
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: gcc-newbie question...
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:26:53 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Geir wrote:
>I have just started to try out a little C-programming under Linux and I
>am playing around with some small programs just to "try things out". I
>wrote the following program which simply is supposed to displays a
>message if there is a PCI-bios presenet in the machine;
>
>
>#include <linux/pci.h>
>
>int main(){
> if (pcibios_present()) printf("PCI-bios found...");
>}
>
>
>int pcibios_present(void) is defined in pci.h...
>I then try to compile the program with:
>
>gcc -D__KERNEL__ testpci.c
>
>testpci.c is of course the name of the program and __KERNEL__ needs to
>be defined when including "pci.h" to get everything included.
>But when I try compiling I get an error-message from ld (the linker),
>saying:
>
>undefined reference to 'pcibios_present'
>
>I suppose this means the linker cant find the "pci.o"-object file or
>something, and therefore is unable to link in 'pcibios_present()'.
>
>How should I compile this program to make it work?
If you're using the -D__KERNEL__ flag, that means you're writing a kernel
module (usually a device driver). You can't use the linker to create an
executable the way you do with a normal program -- you have to load your
module into the kernel using 'insmod'. If you're writing a normal user-mode
program, you can't use -D__KERNEL__. That probably means that you can't
call pcibios_present() from a user-mode program.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! Could I have a drug
at overdose?
visi.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: I feel bad for RH/Mandrake users.
Date: 31 Jul 2000 18:29:07 GMT
In <8m3nfc$l87$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>
>> ][anm@hawk ~] file /etc/passwd
>> ]/etc/passwd: ASCII test
>Yes I agree with this bug, it is existing in my downloaded version of
>Mandrake 7.1 file command
It exists in all versions of file 3.30 used anywhere in the world. It is
in the original source code for file, distributed by the writer of file
( which is not Mandrake). It no longer exists in 3.31 it did not exist
in 3.2x. It has nothing to do with Mandrake or Redhat or Slackware. If
you think a distributor has the time to check each and every error
messages of each of the 100000 or so programs included in the
distributions each time a new version of that program comes out for
spelling errors, then you have a weird sense of proportion. If Slackware
uses 3.30 in any product, it will have that bug. If it uses any other
version, it will not have that bug. If Mandrake uses any other version
it will not have that bug.
Sheesh.
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From: N/A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: <XVidTune>
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:30:05 GMT
Rasputin wrote:
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <N/A> wrote:
> >how do i run the 'xvidtune' command on corel linux delux cuz i am
trying
> >to adjust my screen size so i can see it all. i ran it in the run
command
> >and nothing happened.
>
> If you run it from a shell it'll probably say "xvidtune: command not
found"
>
> Install it first.
>
> --
>
> Rasputin.
> Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns.
how do i install it?
--
Posted via CNET Help.com
http://www.help.com/
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From: Morten Dreier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.m68k,comp.os.linux.powerpc
Subject: Re: Linux on Mac LC III possible?
Date: 31 Jul 2000 20:51:23 +0200
Jeff Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I was recently given a Mac LC III with a CRT< 500 meg hard drive,
> external CD and eerything else. Is there a Linux distro for it??
>
> I would like to use it as a networking gateway/Ip masqurade syestem if
> possible. If not I plan to either try to sell it at a hamfest, and
> failing at that, donate it to a local Community College.
There are some BSD-distributions for this machine, but you have to get an
FPU upgrade (68882) to get it to work. The last time I saw such an upgrade,
the price was _under_ USD 10.. :)
--
Morten Dreier
Institutt for Datateknikk og Informasjonsvitenskap
http://www.ifi.ntnu.no/~mdreier/
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From: Stephen Hui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: multiple kernels?
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:52:01 -0500
In Linux (and possibly in other Unix flavours, I'm not sure), the /boot
directory is a "default" storage location for various and sundry kernels
you may have or use. LILO (LInux LOader) can (theoretically) be
configured to boot a kernel from any location on a hard disk. LILO can
also be configured to have several different kernels available for
booting, and the user simply specifies a label that tells LILO which
kernel to boot. For example, I can have a stock kernel (out-of-the-box
kernel), and call it "linux.orig". Then I could compile a kernel with
networking support and call it "linux.net". And I could do one for SCSI
devices, "linux.scsi", and so forth. At boot time, LILO comes up and
asks for a label, and I would type in "linux.net" or "linux.scsi" (or
even "windows" if you're dual-booting) and LILO would know which kernel
to boot.
Hope this helps.
Stephen.
John Roberts wrote:
>
> I read somewhere that one could have more than one kernel to boot. (one at
> a time of course). Where would store them? How would you stat each one?
> By floppy? Just wondering.
>
> --
> John Roberts
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
--
Stephen Hui, ARL:UT, Austin, Texas
Computer Terms: Programmer - A red-eyed, mumbling mammal
capable of conversing with inanimate objects.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stewart Honsberger)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: MP3's skip : How I solved it
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:06:17 GMT
On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 20:06:40 -0400, Gordon Gilbert wrote:
>> Fiddling with hdparm _is_ pretty hairy, and you _do_ "take your
>> filesystems in your hands" when you use it, with significant risk of
>> loss of data.
>
>I could take his point just fine if it weren't for the "then you
>deserve what you got..." part.
To quote the hdparm(8) man page;
Most drives work well with these features,
but a few drive/controller combinations are not 100% com-
patible. Filesystem corruption may result. Backup every-
thing before experimenting!
As you can see, they told you explicitly that there is no guarantee,
and that you should backup your data before fiddling. What you were
toying with, what seemed like a "good idea" was something that modified
how any and all data (right down to the binary level) was written to/
read from your hard drive(s). It's something that can be taken as a life
lesson, as it should be. You should know why DMA wasn't enabled in the
first place, know any caveats of your hardware, and know the consequences
before you go playing with something you obviously don't understand.
For the record, BTW, Linux systems aren't the only ones that can fail
to activate DMA on 'capable' equipment and bomb miserably when it's forced.
I've done it to my share of Windoze systems in past, and they sure didn't
like the results to the point where a format was in order.
>Not everyone has a backup solution for their hard drives.
Not neccesarily for your hard drives, but for your important data. If this
becomes a situation where you have to re-install, take this as a lesson.
Keep your user data and config files seperate. I've almost always had my
/home partition kept seperate from /, so that I could re-install without
losing it and so that I could more easily back up all my user data. I have
a script running on a cron job every Sunday night around 5 AM that backs
my /home partition into a gzip2'ed tarball which I move to a ZIP drive.
>I have a CD-RW drive,
Then you have 6.5 times more backup storage space than I have. You can
make backups of static data to CDR's, and backups of other data to CDRW's.
>but I haven't found any software I've liked yet to use in Linux to back
>things up with it.
All you need is CDR(w) software which you can use to back things up
manually. Find 600MBs of your most important data (config files
and /home type files shouldn't reach that high, unless you're on a
multi-user system) and stuff 'em onto a CDRW every now and again. Mostly
when you make radical changes.
Or, you could use an automated script to put everything into a tarball
in the middle of the night and back it up once a week.
>I also try to back up some config stuff but Windoze doesn't like files
>that start with a "." I'll have to archive them first or something.
That would be a start.
>Still, collecting them is a pain to do by hand. And time is time.
Create a shell script to do it for you. If "time is time" then your
data isn't all that important to you.
It took me all of 20 lines, comments included, to have my /home directory
backed up and a reminder mailed to me each week. Every time you find
something else you need/want backed up, add a line or two.
The Bash scripting language is extremely powerful. Learn it. Love it.
>Telling me "I got what I deserved" is not constructive and is little more
>than a "ha ha" spit in the face response, IMO.
Then you're not looking at it in the right light. What you're looking for
appears to be a response of "You took fate into your hands, screwed up,
but if you type xxx, everything will be back to normal". Sorry, but you're
not going to get that. Instead, you got a lesson telling you not to play
with things you don't understand.
Stop thinking of Linux as a toy might be a good start.
--
Stewart Honsberger (AKA Blackdeath) @ http://blackdeath.tinys.cx
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Remove 'thirteen' to reply privately)
Humming along under SuSE 6.4, Linux 2.4.0-test4
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: <XVidTune>
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:13:47 -0400
uh .. how comfortable are you with linux ?
Become root, and run the locate command ( man locate for the options ) .
then do "locate xvidtune"
If it finds it, then use it. otherwise pop in the cd, start up X, and use
the rpm tool.
it should be somewhere in the Control panel .
If you are running Gnome, you can use gnurpm I think.
Please note that to "see it all" you have to mess with the XFree86Config
file ,and can leave the xvidtune program alone.
Steps to follow :
1) Configure X to show up the appropriate video modes first. ( 800x600,
1024x768 etc. )
Then use xvidtune to fine-"tune" the display so that it does not look
lopsided.
If you want to change the resolution : look in the XFree86Config file .
or better yet try ctrl+alt+"Numeric +" and ctrl+alt+"Numeric -"
If you want to expand or crush the area on screen that is being lit up use
xvidtune.
If you fo not know anything about CRT's then you better read the monitor.doc
( or .txt) file _very_ carefully.
WARNING : In most cases, messing with these programs without first 'reading
the f****** manual" have resulted in destroyed monitors and in some cases ,
burnt video cards. Use extreme caution .
joseph
Hey, who let the magic smoke out of the box ?!!
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From: "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I feel bad for RH/Mandrake users.
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:09:34 -0500
On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Johan Kullstam quoth:
$$ "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
$$
$$ > Greetings,
$$ >
$$ > I thought that I would share this little piece of news with you
$$ > all, as I could not believe it myself. I am a Slackware user, and
$$ > recently decided to try Mandrake 7.1. I have noticed some bugs
$$ > but this one is just too much:
$$ >
$$ > [anm@hawk ~] file /etc/passwd
$$ > /etc/passwd: ASCII test
$$ >
$$ > ASCII test? I mean really.
$$
$$ really? i am using redhat 6.2 and get
Did, I say I was using RH? No.
$$
$$ /etc/passwd: ASCII text
$$
$$ > This, to me, is indicative of the haphazard
$$ > way in which RH/Mandrake is thrown together.
$$
$$ this, to me, is a perfect illustration of the fundamentally bogus
$$ nature of the vast bulk of accusations against redhat. redhat does
$$ have problems, do us the favor of levelling competant criticism
$$ instead of making stuff up off the top of your head.
Yeah, I just made it up and typed it in. :-)
You get an A for not so smart.
$$ > There are of course other
$$ > bugs, too numerous to mention here....
$$
$$ like the way file is just a guesser and ultimately broken on *every*
$$ unix system?
No. Not at all.
$$ file is not the most important utility on a unix system. since you
$$ are just blowing smoke, why not make up stuff about a more important
$$ component?
I did not make anything up. Secondly my point was "ATTENTION TO
DETAIL". Something you could use a little of since you have chosen
to disregard everything I said and just flame instead.
$$ > This is very dissappointing, as
$$ > one would think that they test thier RPMs before distributing them.
$$
$$ this is very dissappointing as i would have though that people test
$$ their accusations before flinging them.
Cut and paste. Are you totally inept?
The only one here spreading falsehoods is you, I would not even have
brought up the subject if it was not tested.
$$ > Sadly, I guess this is not the case, and I am now reminded why I like
$$ > Slackware (or Debian) so much. Attention to detail.
$$
$$ sadly, i guess this is not the case. i am now reminded of why i feel
$$ there is a certain small but vocal subset of slackware and debian who
$$ use a religious conviction of their distribution's alledged
$$ superiority to justify any amount of misinformation, slander and lying
$$ to bolster their position. there really are a lot of decent slackware
$$ users. why do you insist on giving them a bad name?
I have not lied about one thing yet, I said I was using Mandrake 7.1.
You took it to mean RH 6.2, you assumed, and now you look like an ass.
The only reason I put RedHat in the subject line is becuase RH
and Mandrake share a lineage, thats it. I was talking primarily about
Mandrake.
$$ > [ Thank you for listening to my rant! ]
$$
$$ i think your rant says more about you, than it says about any system
$$ you are trying to malign.
Not really, becuase just like Mandrake, you did not pay any attention to
detail.
anm
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From: Roland Mainz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: ftpfs for SuSE 6.4...
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:35:08 +0200
Hi !
----
I'm looking for a _working_ ftpfs (e.g. something that can be put into
/etc/(v)fstab) for SuSE >= 6.4 (kernel ~2.2.14)...
Any hints/solutions out there ?
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Bye,
Roland
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(;O/ \/ \O;) TEL +49 641 99-13193 FAX +49 641 99-41359
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From: Roland Mainz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X-Window must die! What's alternative?
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:39:41 +0200
Karel Jansens wrote:
> > Hans write:
> > > Is there X-Window alternative?
> >
> > Not really, but there are many window managers other than those included
> > with the KDE and Gnome "desktop environments" that you appear to despise.
> > I doubt you would like any of them though: they are not much like Windows.
>
> How about the Berlin and GNUStep projects? Aren't those intended as
> replacements for X?
No, such project aren't the future for Unix-GUIs.
X11 itself is extensible and development still goes on.
Where's the problem with X11 ?
A complete replacement would simply _die_ because older apps are more or
less incompatible to it...
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Bye,
Roland
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From: "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I feel bad for RH/Mandrake users.
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:23:42 -0500
On 31 Jul 2000, Bill Unruh quoth:
$$ In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Andrew N.
McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
$$
$$
$$ ]Greetings,
$$
$$ ] I thought that I would share this little piece of news with you
$$ ]all, as I could not believe it myself. I am a Slackware user, and
$$ ]recently decided to try Mandrake 7.1. I have noticed some bugs
$$ ]but this one is just too much:
$$
$$ ][anm@hawk ~] file /etc/passwd
$$ ]/etc/passwd: ASCII test
$$
$$ Dear oh dear. Mandrake must definitely be on its last legs. First they list
$$ their man version (man -v) as 1.5f when it is really 1.5g, and now they have a
$$ misprint, putting in "test" rather than "text". Definitely a complete
$$ disaster-- the whole operating system no longer works-- noone can do
$$ anything, no program runs. The Horror, The Horror.
Real good, sarcasm justifies broken software right? OK Bill Gates.
$$ And oh dear, it is worse than that. That Mandrake did not write "file"
$$ and uses the same source as does Slackware is irrelevant. Mandrake has managed to
infect
$$ Ian Darwin, the author of "file", so that the version 3.30 (the one
$$ included in Mandrake) on the file page ftp.astron.com/pub/file also contains
$$ the same error. I can see it now. Soon even Slackware will be infected,
$$ and the world will end.
The point is it should have been corrected. The amount of buggy items
I see in Mandrake compared to what I see in Slack is staggering, IMO.
This is just my opinion. I could if you wish go through all the lists
and all the software, and total all the errors up, but I am not going
to. I have admined Solaris/HP-UX/FreeBSD/Linux machines for long enough
to know that Mandrake is not well planned out.
anm
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From: "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I feel bad for RH/Mandrake users.
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:28:58 -0500
On Sun, 30 Jul 2000, William R. Mattil quoth:
$$ In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
$$ Prasanth A. Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
$$ >"Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
$$ >
$$ >> Greetings,
$$ >>
$$ >> I thought that I would share this little piece of news with you
$$ >> all, as I could not believe it myself. I am a Slackware user, and
$$ >> recently decided to try Mandrake 7.1. I have noticed some bugs
$$ >> but this one is just too much:
$$ >>
$$ >> [anm@hawk ~] file /etc/passwd
$$ >> /etc/passwd: ASCII test
$$ >>
$$ ><snip>
$$ >
$$ >What should it say instead? Anyway, what makes this a bug? Is it noted
$$ >in a standard somewhere that it should be something else or is it just
$$ >different from what you had in Slackware?
$$
$$ FYI Three different unicies AIX, Slowaris, and RH all agree.
$$
$$ file /etc/passwd
$$ /etc/passwd: ASCII text
I am sure they do. I did not make any claims about this affecting RH
as well. This is a problem on Mandrake 7.1. People have said that it
is not the distributors problem, but rather the author of file. This
is not entireley true, as it is the distributors job to check for the
existence of these errors before release.
$$ But on a postive note .... you have access to the sources. Fix it.
$$ Recompile and voila! No more problem.
Quit true, and the main reason I love Linux!
anm
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From: "Maarten W.G. Andriessen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,alt.nl.comp.os.ms-windows,alt.nl.comp.os.ms-windows.nt,alt.nl.comp.os.netware,alt.uu.comp.os
Subject: Re: Come to my Linux's Website!
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:50:57 +0200
"Sam Tang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8m2ktk$27o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Come to my Linux's Website!
> http://www.asia-comp.net/linuxcity/
....he said while posting in Windows with Microsoft Outlook Express ;-)))
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3
*busted*
Maarten
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