Linux-Misc Digest #300, Volume #19 Thu, 4 Mar 99 18:13:13 EST
Contents:
Re: which Linux distribution? (Ed Cogburn)
Re: More bad news for NT (Chris Costello)
Hot and Tight Little hoe-he-hoes! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Netscape and Linux problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Linux no Brasil ("CFM")
USB printer in linux ("Matt Welsh")
Re: Public license question (Christopher Seawood)
Re: Voice Mail with SPK ("vince")
LyX and XFig (nessancc)
Re: Public license question (Barry Margolin)
Re: More bad news for NT (Gary Hicken)
Sun framebuffer config? (Big Ben August)
Directory colours in RedHat 5.2 ("regoltd")
Re: Running LINUX under WIN NT????? (Tom Payne)
Re: More bad news for NT (John Thompson)
Re: More bad news for NT (John Thompson)
Re: Create a DOS bootdisk in using only Linux (John Thompson)
Re: best offline newsreader? (John Thompson)
Re: ASCII screen saver ("T.E.Dickey")
Re: Newsreader for Linux (Richard Griswold)
Re: ls -l question (Seth Van Oort)
Problem with Java Native Threads in Linux (Ben Gibbs)
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From: Ed Cogburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: which Linux distribution?
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 19:16:15 -0500
Richard Steiner wrote:
>
> Here in comp.os.linux.misc, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dr Paul Kinsler)
> spake unto us, saying:
>
> >Richard Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> I use both Red Hat 5.1 and SuSE 5.3 here. Why? Because the decision
> >> of "which distribution is better" turned out to ne complex enough that
> >> I didn't take anyone else's advice, and I went and tried them myself.
> >
> >> FWIW, I'm still uncertain. :-)
> >
> >I use slackware, initially because I had a friend who used it,
> >and now because there seems no reason to change.
>
> I actually started initially with SLS and gave up. XFree86 way back
> then didn't like my extremely proprietary Diamond Stealth VRAM card.
>
> I started the second time with Slackware 3.2, and it was cool. But I
> decided to try Red Hat 4.2, and I liked it better, mainly because I
> could use rpm when possible and still use tarballs too.
Before you settle on a commercial distribution, try Debian, the
only non-commercial distribution out there. It has a powerful
package management system (dpkg) that is technically superior to
rpm. With ppp properly setup (or other net connection), you can
automatically update your system via ftp from ftp.debian.org (or
mirror) with just a few keystrokes. Try to get Debian 2.1 (aka
'slink') distribution, it is currently frozen and will be released
within the week. You can put your own tarballs in /usr/local
(this dir is officially 'off limits' to Debian), and you can even
use most RPMs with Debian by using the program 'alien' to convert
between the two.
--
Ed C.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Costello)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 01:04:23 GMT
In article <7bkhjf$i9i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jon Wiest wrote:
>Massimo Signoretta wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>I agree. Dispite "This program has preformed an illegal op...." MS &
>Windows has
>>brought something I that Linux does not have. EASE OF USE. A short time
>ago, I
>
>
>This may change soon! Corel said today they would be working on a new GUI
>for Linux. If they can pull it off that would be amazing.
Everybody's writing Window Managers today.
>
>Jon
>
>
>
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Hot and Tight Little hoe-he-hoes!
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:36:18 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.m68k
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Netscape and Linux problem
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 01:02:06 GMT
Hi folks
I am relatively new with Linux so I am not always on top of how particular
errors occur. I have run Netscape on my computer in the past but had someone
else set it up.
Recently I upgraded my hard-drive and installed Linux 5.2 along with Netscape
4.07 that was on the disk.
Two problems:
1) I can run Netscape if I am logged in as root.If I try to run it as any
other user I get an Error: Can't open display error. - What can I do to
rectify this problem? I want to have separate user accounts on my machine and
don't always want to run Linux as Root.
2) The other problem may just be me. I was trying to use frames to set up some
web pages. I tried different things, mostly basic but for some reason this
version 4.07 won't display my frames. When I try the same code on my Mac the
frames display no problem. On the Linux Box only the no frames info comes up.
Here is the basic code, can you let me know if I need to do something to have
this version of Netscape view frames?
<html>
<head>
<title>frames test</title>
</head>
<no frames>
What the hell is going on?
</noframes>
<frameset cols="30%, 70%">
<frame src="navigation.html">
<frame src="about.html">
</frame>
</frameset>
</html>
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From: "CFM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux no Brasil
Date: 4 Mar 1999 19:16:00 GMT
Se alguem quiser trocar informa��es sobre Linux no Brasil mande um email
para [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Matt Welsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: USB printer in linux
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:35:46 -0500
I have a HP Deskjet 882C. It is not considered a win-printer by HP. It has
memory and a MPU, but I have no clue whether it is possible to use a printer
that is USB in linux. I am running Slackware 3.5.(I am aware of 3.6 but I
don't have time to download it.) Can someone help me?
-Matt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Seawood)
Subject: Re: Public license question
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 21:43:19 GMT
Barry Margolin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: In article <YBtD2.69653$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: Christopher Seawood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >Are dynamically loaded modules considered to be "based upon" the program
: >they can be loaded by (assuming dynamically loaded modules are considered
: >to be "annotations" or "elaborations")? What if the modules can be
: >loaded by several programs?
:
: IANAL, and neither is RMS, but I believe he has claimed that he believes
: that dynamic and static linking do not make a difference, since the end
: result is the same as far as the user is concerned. This is based on the
: same logic he used when claiming it's a violation of the GPL if you
: distribute your object modules unlinked and have the recipient perform the
: linking.
At this point, I guess I'm going to have to find someone who *is* a
lawyer because RMS' claim does not make sense. The end user's point
of view should be irrevelant to definition of a derived work. I guess
the deciding factor at this point would be whether or not occupying
the same process space is legally considered to be a "derivative work".
If there's copying involved, I guess it is but do all dynamic loaders
copy portions of the shared lib to process space of the executable that
uses the shared lib?
(I recently discovered that shared libs under linux didn't work in the way
I thought they did. I was under the assumption that there was one copy
of the library that was loaded by the system and used by all processes
that depend upon it. Apparently, according to a guy from Cygnus, the
portions of the library that are used by the application are copied
into the executable's process space. Does anyone know if this is true
of all dynamic loaders?)
- cls
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From: "vince" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.linux,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Voice Mail with SPK
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:34:44 +1300
Can't always go on the sockets at the back of the machine. Some of the
earlier 33k6 and 28k8 modems had them but didn't actually work.
If the modem responds to the following commands - then you're on the right
track...
AT+ACM-MDL? Identify model.
AT+ACM-MFR? Identify manufacturer.
AT+ACM-REV? Identify revision level.
if it responds to OK with the command
AT+ACM-VRX+ADw-cr+AD4-
then the odds are even better.
Refer : http://www.dynalink.com.au/support/atcommands.htm
and see if you can't find your own modem manual here...
http://56k.com/links/Modem+AF8-Manuals/
Good luck+ACE-
Vince.
seppanen+AEA-bresnanlink.net wrote in message
+ADw-7aaa9q+ACQ-bsa+ACQ-1+AEA-nnrp1.dejanews.com+AD4-...
+AD4-I was thinking about setting up voice mail on my linux machine. Has anyone
+AD4-used spk, and what were your thoughts on its capabilities, and limitations?
+AD4-What is required to run spk. The website is very short on details as is
the
+AD4-readme files. I've got a USR 33.6 modem, but I'm not sure if it can handle
+AD4-voice data. How can I tell. Any thoughts... Any success using generic
+AD4-modems?
+AD4-
+AD4-Thanks for any and all.
+AD4-
+AD4-Brian Seppanen
+AD4-seppanen+AEA-bresnanlink.net
+AD4-
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From: nessancc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: LyX and XFig
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 21:43:02 +0000
Hi,
I am trying to import some XFig files into a LaTex document written
using LyX. In the XFig files, I have code placed there which I want LyX
to convert to LaTex - equations, etc.
Can anyone tell me how it should be done? I read that if you export the
drawings as combined LaTex and Postscript files, youo then include the
LaTex file in the doc and it brings the PS file with it. I've tried that
- nothing at all shows up! If I do it the other way i.e. include the PS
file, all that I get is the picture without the text!
Any help would be GREATLY appreciated as this is for a Masters Thesis
and time is slipping by!!!
Mike
p.s. - If you could reply by e-mail, that would be WONDERFUL! Reply to
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From: Barry Margolin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Public license question
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 22:14:07 GMT
In article <X7DD2.69703$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Christopher Seawood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Barry Margolin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>: In article <YBtD2.69653$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>: Christopher Seawood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: >Are dynamically loaded modules considered to be "based upon" the program
>: >they can be loaded by (assuming dynamically loaded modules are considered
>: >to be "annotations" or "elaborations")? What if the modules can be
>: >loaded by several programs?
>:
>: IANAL, and neither is RMS, but I believe he has claimed that he believes
>: that dynamic and static linking do not make a difference, since the end
>: result is the same as far as the user is concerned. This is based on the
>: same logic he used when claiming it's a violation of the GPL if you
>: distribute your object modules unlinked and have the recipient perform the
>: linking.
>
>At this point, I guess I'm going to have to find someone who *is* a
>lawyer because RMS' claim does not make sense. The end user's point
>of view should be irrevelant to definition of a derived work. I guess
His belief is that while it's not technically a copy, it's "as if" you had
made a copy. The spirit of copyright law should not distinguish the case
where someone takes a work A, makes a derivative A+B, and distributes that,
versus separately distributing A and B with the instructions for how to
combine them into A+B. That's what was going on when people were
distributing non-free programs that needed to be linked with the GNU mp
library, and it's similar to what goes on with dynamic linking (in the
latter case, the A+B step is performed automatically by the OS).
>the deciding factor at this point would be whether or not occupying
>the same process space is legally considered to be a "derivative work".
>If there's copying involved, I guess it is but do all dynamic loaders
>copy portions of the shared lib to process space of the executable that
>uses the shared lib?
Yes, although I think this would not be an issue. I believe copyright law
was amended a few years ago to specify that copying into memory for the
purpose of running a program is never a copyright violation.
>(I recently discovered that shared libs under linux didn't work in the way
>I thought they did. I was under the assumption that there was one copy
>of the library that was loaded by the system and used by all processes
>that depend upon it. Apparently, according to a guy from Cygnus, the
>portions of the library that are used by the application are copied
>into the executable's process space. Does anyone know if this is true
>of all dynamic loaders?)
Unless Linux is very different from most modern Unix systems, it's not
"copied" into process memory, it's *mapped* into process memory. Each
process that uses a shared library or executable program maps a part of
their virtual address space to the text segment of the library or program.
--
Barry Margolin, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GTE Internetworking, Powered by BBN, Burlington, MA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gary Hicken)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: 3 Mar 1999 23:52:17 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Arthur Corliss wrote:
>On Tue, 02 Mar 1999 11:28:31 -0600, Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>One particularly annoying thing about Netscape is that it is always
>>contacting my DNS server for no apparent reson. When I'm not connected
>>I can't use netscape because it will take forever to start ...
>
>Sounds like you have a configuration problem. Mine can tell damn near
>immediately that it's not connected, and pulls the home page from the cache.
>I'd be looking at your network setup, if I were you.
>
> --Arthur Corliss
> Bolverk's Lair -- http://www.odinicfoundation.org/arthur/
> "Live Free or Die, the Only Way to Live" -- NH State Motto
Tim's right. I use diald and any DNS search will cause diald to dial up.
I view UDP and TCP requests. I have my home page set up to
file:///ghicken/.netscape/bookmarks.html (file, not http.) If I bring up
Netscape while offline, the browser comes up and my bookmarks are shown
without dialing up. But, if I click Edit->Preferences, my modem starts
dialing. When I look at the log, I see UDP packets from my machine to both
of my DNS servers.
I searched throughout my preferences. I turned off all smart browsing.
Netscape has to be at fault here. I don't have any problems anymore with
the browser locking up when it can't access a name server, or so it seems.
Why it has to access name servers for the preferences window, I don't know.
-Gary
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Big Ben August)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.sun
Subject: Sun framebuffer config?
Date: 4 Mar 1999 22:21:25 GMT
I am running RedHat Linux\SPARC 5.2 on a SPARCstation 2. It has a CG6
framebuffer, and it defaults to 1152x900. Is there any way to configure
anything so I can change the resolution?
Thanks!
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From: "regoltd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Directory colours in RedHat 5.2
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 04:52:08 -0800
I have recently installed RedHat 5.2 and am new to Linux. I have previously
tried Slackware and liked the way the directories and other files were in
colours and the normal text type files were white. I prefer the RedHat to
the Slackware because it is easier for me to use until I get use to Linux.
Can I do this with RedHat 5.2 and how do I do this.
M. Rego
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From: Tom Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Running LINUX under WIN NT?????
Date: 3 Mar 1999 23:45:26 GMT
Karsten M. Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Bob Hauck wrote:
:>
:> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
:> "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
:>
:> > Interix also offers a Linux-on-NT emulation. It is priced ~$100,
:> > though this appears to change with some some regularity.
:>
:> Unfortunately, Interix is NOT a "Linux emulation". It is a POSIX
:> subsystem for NT.
[...]
:> > Personally, I'd pursue the 2nd, freestanding Linux server + X terminal
:> > solution. Using running Samba on the Linux box, it should be
:> > transparent to NT.
:>
:> This is by far easier to deal with and ultimately more effective,
:> IMO
: Which makes me wonder why the damned thing was created in the first
: place. Not my problem.
Perhaps for the folks who use laptops and don't like to reboot.
Alternatively, VMware claims to have a virtual-machine monitor for the
x86 architecture, which lets you run NT and Linux simultaneously, on
disitinct virtual machines. I look forward to seeing this in action.
Tom
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 16:54:45 -0600
Harry wrote:
>>OK, next question: can you set up NT with a text-mode shell
>>and still be able to manage multiple simultaneous
>>applications? I know this is possible with OS/2 (TSHELL)
>>and linux, and is quite useful when you want to provide
>>maximum resources to a server (for example) that doesn't
>>need a fancy user interface. <
> You'd define a system policy and specify cmd.exe as the default
> shell.
Sounds reasonable. Is there a mechanism within CMD.EXE to
allow switching between tasks or is it just a "detach and
forget" type of thing?
> Why, God only knows. It's a bit like buying a Lexus and then
> deciding that all the electric motors for the back support etc and
> all the extra trim is slowing the thing down.
Sure, but would you use that Lexus for hauling freight? Why
would you need or want a fancy GUI on a server machine,
especially since the latest NT has moved graphic support to
ring 0, right where it can cause the most problems with the
underlying operating system that does the work...
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 16:56:15 -0600
Harry wrote:
>
> >Interesting. So it might actually be possible to create a CLI that
> replaces Explorer. Like a bash port?<
>
> Absolutely. But have you checked out Windows Scripting Host? It's a
> mechanism that allows you to use plug-in scripting languages, much
> as you'd use shell scripts in Unix. Available are vbscript,
> javascript, ...
But this still doesn't get rid of the superfluous GUI on a
server machine, does it?
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Create a DOS bootdisk in using only Linux
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 17:00:26 -0600
Adrian Hawkins wrote:
> Is it possible to create a MSDOS bootdisk using Linux only? Is there a
> boot image out there to do this? Or are you better off finding a
> DOS-box and creating one there?
If you have a single bootable DOS diskette you can use "dd"
to make an image of it and also write new copies whenever
you need them.
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: best offline newsreader?
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 17:10:24 -0600
Kevin & Chelby Geiss wrote:
> I'm a new linux user. my only gripe is reading usenet news (in fact
> I'm in windows right now!! blech!)
>
> I'm using free agent in windows. I can't find an off line news reader
> for linux whihc is as good!!!
>
> with agent you can select the headers you want downloaded and delete
> the rest from your account so they are gone forever. you can select
> multiple headers at once, using shift and the arrow keys. I can sift
> through 1000 messages in 15 minutes and end up with only the bodies I
> want to read.
>
> Please tell me there is something as good for linux!!!
Try "leafnode." It is a light-weight nntp server for linux
that offers both Agent-type "download-the-headers,
pick-what-you-want, reconnect-and download-the-bodies" type
newsreading (although I've never understood the appeal
myself) and a more traditional "download all the new
articles in the selected groups" type approarch. In either
case, you can read offline at you leisure with the
newsreader client of your choice, since leafnode can serve
any nntp client program.
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "T.E.Dickey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ASCII screen saver
Date: 4 Mar 1999 22:15:58 GMT
Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a nice ASCII screen saver for the console? I'd love to have
> something different from the usual blank screen.
> I know that there is rain(6), but it runs far too fast on any terminal
> faster than 9600 baud, and it's monochrome only. What I'd love to see
> is something using colour ncurses that runs at a constant speed.
the 'rain' program in ncurses runs in color and not-so-fast.
(but it's not a screen saver)
--
Thomas E. Dickey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey
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From: Richard Griswold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newsreader for Linux
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 16:11:12 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michael Tse wrote:
>
> Hi:
>
> I want a newsreader such as Free Agent for Window 95. It can download
> the selected mesages at one time and decode the pic automatically.
> Pleae tell me where I can download it.
>
> Thank
>
> Mike
You can use Netscape Communicator on some Linux platforms. You can also
use knews (http://www.matematik.su.se/users/kjj/knews.html - not related
to KDE). It has some image support.
--
Richard Griswold
griswold
at
acm
dot
org
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From: Seth Van Oort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ls -l question
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 01:52:33 +0000
number of hard links to the file
Seth
Brian Donovan wrote:
>
> When using ls in the verbose mode (option l) what is the second column of
> numbers indicate. For example:
>
> drwxr-xr-x 5 donovan donovan 1024 Feb 26 11:45 Desktop
>
> what does the 5 mean?
>
> Thanx
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From: Ben Gibbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problem with Java Native Threads in Linux
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 20:40:44 GMT
I'm just porting a multi-threaded Java application to Linux and I notice that
when it runs there seem to be a bunch of processes created. This is new to me
because Solaris handles everything in one process. Is this how native threads
work in Linux? It's causing a bit of a problem because when I come to kill the
application, all of the processes have to be killed individually. It doesn't
seem to be just my application either - "rmiregistry" does the same thing. If
someone can explain what's going on and how or if this can be avoided I'd
appreciate it.
Thanks,
Ben
Send mail to: ben (at) authentimail . com
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