Linux-Misc Digest #300, Volume #25 Mon, 31 Jul 00 22:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Mandrake 7.1 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Dual NICs of same type? (Lola Slade)
Re: Random Power Shutdown ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: Upgrading the Kernel Questions.. (Mat Kelcey)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (blowfish)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Christopher Browne)
Re: Mandrake 7.1 ("Andrew N. McGuire ")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Mandrake 7.1
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 00:50:48 GMT
Having some trouble getting the mouse not to freeze up??? Have no
idea I have tried everything... I am using FreeBSD with out any
problems...
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From: Lola Slade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Dual NICs of same type?
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 01:17:16 GMT
I also have two nics-3com905. I am trying to figure out how to set them up. My distro
has set up the drivers as loadable modules so I am adding the following to
/etc/modutils/aliases :
alias eth0 3c59x
alias eth1 3c59x
[options ?? ]
My question is what "options" line needs to follow this to differentiate the irq's and
io addresses? What irq's and io should I use or should I just use my bios to set this?
3com recommends irq 10,11,12 and I have 10 and 12 free but I don't know what io
addresses to use.
Thanks,
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David Steuber wrote:
> Will two 3Com 3C905B-TX type PCI NICs play nicely together in a single
> Linux box, or should I get another type of NIC for eth1?
>
> I have a PPro that I use as a router with a 10bt card for my DSL modem
> and a 100bt card to my hub (I wish it was a switch). These work
> well. My new computer is PCI only, just about. I would like another
> 100bt PCI NIC so that I have IPForwarding/Masquerading capability
> before I take the machine to my ISP. The reason for this is that I
> don't want to consume more than one IP address should I add additional
> machines. The machines hanging off of the second NIC can use private
> IP addresses like I use in my home network.
>
> --
> David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
> NRA Member | a hoploholic.
> http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=hoplite&submit=Look+it+up
>
> The problem with AI is that it has a mind of its own
> --- Devon Miller
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Random Power Shutdown
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 01:14:21 GMT
Is RH 6.2 the only OS on the machine? I am going to take for granted it
is. I had a very similar (or maybe the same exact) problem on my
computer. I would just be working a long and for no apparent reason at
all my computer would just lock up. The monitor video would freeze.
Did it in Windows and Linux. And then when I shut off my compuer, it
wouldn't start for, sometimes, hours. I replaced my video, took out
every other card that wasn't necessary, replaced the motherboard, the
PSU, put new cables in it, put extra cooling fans and none of it did the
trick.
Finally I found the problem. I have a Celeron processor that is using
the 370 socket to Slot 1 convertor. It was that little card that was
causing the whole trouble. $5 card's problems caused me $100's in
replacing unnecessary hardware.
Well you don't have one of those cards, but the next in line would be
the processor. Or maybe your memory or motherboard is bad. I guess you
can't rule out the possibility of the Power Supply Unit being bad.
I would recommend pulling any card that is unnecessary for the computer
to still run, like the sound and network card. This will eliminate any
problems with the slots making a bad connection. Leave the case open to
eliminate any problems with over heating. Replace the heatsink and fan
and put some thermal grease on the processor. Go to a computer store
and get some of that compressed cans of air and blow out all of the
little spots in the computer to get rid of all of the dust. Dust could
be causing overheating or be short circuiting the processor or memory.
Maybe try a new processor. A 200 MHz processor probably only costs
about $10 at a used computer store. Re-seat the memory and clean the
contact points of the memory with an eraser head off a pencil to make
sure the memory is making good contact.
Disconnect any IDE drives other than the hard drive and try preplacing
the IDE cable.
Remember don't spend too much or you might as well buy a new computer.
That 200 MHz isn't worth too much.
But like I said, mine was the 370 to Slot 1 converter card. So I bet
your's is the processor or the motherboard, since yours doesn't have
that converter card.
I hope some of the info helped.
David
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In article <q9Dd5.45482$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Patrick M Geahan<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gotta minor problem here I was hpoing someone could help me with. I
have
> a RH6.2 system running on a Gateway 2000 P200MMX system. The system
is
> configured with a Diamond Fireport 40 SCSI adapter, 1 4.5GB IBM SCSI
> drive, 32 MB RAM, a 4MB knockoff vid card, and 2 3COM 3c509 Ethernet
> cards. The system's been mine since last November, running like a
charm.
>
> Recently, however, it's been having this annoying little problem of
> randomyl shutting off. At completely random times, the machine will
power
> off, without going through shutdown process. There is no information
in
> the logs to tell me when this happens. If I don't happen to be
sitting
> right there when it happens, I have to guesstimate the shutdown time
based
> on when the logs stop.
>
> I've had it happen during startup, while I'm logged in, and while I'm
not
> home. I've come up with several possible scenarios:
>
> 1. Power problems in my apartment. POssibility, but unlikely - I
have
> several other pieces of equipment plugged into the same outlet, and
they
> have no trouble.
>
> 2. Problem with the power supply. Distinct possibility.
>
> 3. Problem with a daemon that causes shutdown. Doubtful, because the
> machine SHOULDN'T power off then. If I do a 'shutdown -h now, when
> shutdown is complete, it will shut itself off. However, in terms of
a
> system freeze or crash, I wouldn't think it would do so.
>
> 4. Problem with apmd(or other power management that causes the power
> supply to cycle off. I don't know enough about apmd to make a valid
guess
> here.
>
> 5. SOme other random problem.
>
> Has anyone seen this behavior before? Mainly, I'm looking to see if
> anyone has heard of this problem occuring with RH6.2. If it's a
hardware
> problem, which I'm investigating, I'll take my q somewhere else. Has
> anyone heard of this behavior before?
>
> --
>
> -------Patrick M
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> Quote of the Week: "'Do you want to take a look at my regular
expressions
> ?' is not a valid chat-up line" - Chris King in the Monastery.
>
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Before you buy.
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:32:23 -0700
"Prasanth A. Kumar" wrote:
>
> blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> <snip>
> > As far as I can see. All the distros, including the die-hard Debian. Are
> > out exploiting the GNU-GPL. They're making the profits by repackaging
> > the free stuff put out by volunteers, who have put out their work under
> > GNU-GPL.
> >
> > I don't think that's fair to the developers. And the way the GNU-GPL is
> > written that, you either have to give up everything to your claims, or
> > don't play the Linux game at all. But never mind if somebody repackage
> > your work and make a hugh profit out from your free work, where you no
> > longer has any rights to.
> <snip>
>
> I think most developers GPL their software because they want to rather
> than because they are forced to. The only time they are compelled to
> is if they lift code from another GPL'd program or use a GPL'd
> library. All the other times, the developer choose to make it GPL,
> they were quite aware that others will profit from it.
>
Sure.
But I don't think any body can rule out some might want to make a few
dollars from their work.
My point is: It's not fair for repackagers to make big profits out of
freely contributed work.
Those whose works have been incorporated in a commercial distro (ALL of
the distros are commercial.) should track down the developers, and give
them a share of the profit.
Wouldn't that will encourage the developers to write more good stuff?
> Sure, the GPL restricts the conditions in which you can use the source
> code but then again, when is the last time Microsoft let you take
> chunks of their source code with no strings attached?
>
Hey. I DUMPED M$ a couple years ago completely. :-)
No dual boot machines here. ;-)
PS: My ISP's news server is really shitty, most of the threads are
missing, but their DSL
service is top notch, at 100% or higher than advertised speed 99% of the
time. So. I might missed a few reply here. please accept my apology if
any of you don't get a reply from me within a reasonable time.
Alex / blowfish.
> --
> Prasanth Kumar
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Mat Kelcey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Upgrading the Kernel Questions..
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 01:34:46 GMT
> enter
> make menuconfig
> u can now setup your kernel...
> if finished type:
> make dep clean bzlilo modules modules_install
> now the kernel compilation should start. if finished your kernel should
> be placed in your /boot dir - if not it's in your / dir. if this happens:
> move the "system.map" and the "vmlinuz" files in your /boot directory and
> type
> lilo
my order is
make mrproper menuconfig
(though i have no idea what 'mrproper' does???)
i also do do
make dep clean bzImage install modules modules_install
with the 'install' step seeming to do the set up the /boot dir and system.map
links for me.
(and thank god for menuconfig, i did my first few kernel compiles using
console only not knowing menuconfig existed!!!)
mat
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:42:47 -0700
John Hasler wrote:
>
> Alex writes:
> > ...if you look at anything that are GNU-GPLed, you'll see the line
> > "... not accountable for any damage...blah , blah, blah..."
>
> If you look at just about any other end user license (the BSD license or
> Microsofts's EULA, for example) you will see a similar disclaimer.
>
> > That may be fine with some private end users, but in the real business
> > world, accountability is everything.
>
> In my experience with the business world money is everything.
>
> > They'll pass even if you have the best stuff out, if nobody can be taken
> > account for, if something goes wrong.
>
> Just as with proprietary software users who need extensive support and
> "accountability" can negotiate a contract with the author. Unlike the case
> with proprietary software, such users have the alternative of negotiating
> such a contract with a third party: he has the source, the lack of which is
> the only thing that sets vendor support apart from third party support in
> the proprietary world.
>
> > As far as I can see. All the distros, including the die-hard Debian. Are
> > out exploiting the GNU-GPL.
>
> How could Debian "exploit" the GPL (or anything else)? Do you understand
> what Debian is?
>
> > They're making the profits by repackaging the free stuff put out by
> > volunteers, who have put out their work under GNU-GPL.
>
> Some of those "volunteers" are paid (not by Debian) to work full time on
> Debian. In any case, we do not mind at all that people make money from
> Debian. The right to do so is a requirement of the DFSG.
>
> Last year I made $25,000 as a direct consequence of my free software
> efforts. There is no way I would have made a penny from my software had
> I not released it under the GPL and put it in Debian.
>
> > I don't think that's fair to the developers.
>
> I think that the developers are quite competent to decide what is fair to
> them.
>
> > And the way the GNU-GPL is written that, you either have to give up
> > everything to your claims,...
>
> Wrong.
>
> > But never mind if somebody repackage your work and make a hugh profit out
> > from your free work,...
>
> A "huge" profit selling software that anyone can sell? ROFL.
>
Red Hat, Debian et al are ALL selling the GNU-GPL stuff for money.
Sure, you can download them, but in casess like Red Hat, they have extra
stuff that you can only buy from, not available for free download.
> > ...where you no longer has any rights to.
>
> Wrong. I still own the copyrights on my stuff and only I can distribute
> the software under any license other than the GPL.
>
> > I don't either. But I'm just interested in this opensource movement.
>
> Then you should learn a bit more about it. You don't understand free
> software at all well.
I know exactly what free software are. But my reason of using "free
software" is not because they're free, I always BUY the "official
CDs/DVD releases," because I WANT TO SUPPORT the good stuff, and hope
the pipe line will not be broken. Sure, I also download the stuff, but
because I'm impatient, I want to try them out asap, and usually the
official CDs/DVD releases won't be available after the release is on
line, sometimes, even before the ISO image is ready. (A good example is
the FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE. The ISO will be out on August 1. But I've
downloaded all the source and compiled them, and have the whole thing
functioning already by last Friday late afternoon. And I'm going to send
in my order for the official CD release tomorrow.)
Alex / blowfish.
> --
> John Hasler
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dancing Horse Hill
> Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:48:15 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> [Groups trimmed; arguably Follow-up: should be set to c.o.l.advocacy]
>
> blowfish wrote:
>
> > [...]
> >
> > No. The choice of licensing might not be of any importance to some, but
> > to those who wants to make a living out of it, then, it's very
> > important, muy importante to them, and if you look at anything that are
> > GNU-GPLed, you'll see the line "... not accountable for any
> > damage...blah , blah, blah..."
>
> Obviously you've never read any EULA attached to _every_ piece of
> software for windows. It makes no difference whether it's from
> microsoft or a third party, they _always_ disclaim any responsibility.
> And with good reason... it frequently doesn't work.
>
> > That may be fine with some private end users, but in the real business
> > world, accountability is everything. They'll pass even if you have the
> > best stuff out, if nobody can be taken account for, if something goes
> > wrong.
> > [...]
>
> And you may want to respond with something about the "support" you get
> with windows software vs. Linux. Well that argument is always - and
> always will be - pure unadultered FUD. Crap. They can _say_ there's
> accountability, but it's a figment of their imaginations. And people
> are beginning to realize it.
>
> About 4 years ago, I was trying to get a new buslogic scsi card working
> on my Linux machine. I'm really just an end user, but am always willing
> to roll up my sleeves and try to figure out things for myself. But if
> it doesn't build/install cleanly, I get beyond my limited understanding
> in a hurry. This was one of those times, but I was pretty sure I knew
> where to get help. Back then there was a very active set of Linux
> mailing lists at rutgers university with a good signal to noise ratio.
> I posted a message to the scsi list, and in less than an hour and a half
> I had two responses. Personal ones in _my_ mailbox. They were both
> helpful, and in less than 10 minutes I had my new scsi card working.
> And most impressive - one of them was from Leonard Zubkoff who was the
> engineer who wrote the driver. He took the time to send a personal
> response that pointed me _clearly_ in the right direction. When was the
> last time anyone got support from an engineer who wrote a windows
> driver?
>
> Ever called microsoft or a third party vendor for support (and actually
> gotten through)? I have. In all but the very rarest of times, you get
> somebody that doesn't know what they're talking about, disavowing that
> the problem could be theirs, and trying to lay the blame elsewhere; or
> just saying "Gee I don't know. Never seen this one before". You end up
> talking to a low paid entry-level clerk who listens for keywords (but
> ususally doesn't know what they are), and responds as if they plugged
> your "keywords" into an access database and are reading the "solution"
> off a 3x5 notecard; because they couldn't possible understand the
> problem and elucidate an answer themselves. Is the problem the clerk?
> Not really. Everybody's got to start somewhere. The problem is the end
> user who expects a lot for very little. But who led us to expact that?
> The software vendors, who say it's all about innovating for us, but are
> really trying to set up a tool booth for their own benefit (and that of
> the "money circle"?), while telling us lies about the quality of their
> software and support.
>
> I worked for a small Wall Street firm until a couple of years ago. They
> moved from Sun hardware/software to NT when every lemming IT manager in
> the world was doing the same. They were completely committed to it, and
> it didn't seem that would ever change. Well I did some proselytizing
> when I was there (though I had nothing to do with the IT department),
> and I know there was at least one guy in the IT department who was using
> Linux at home. Two years later they are deploying some Linux machines.
> These are the very people you say want accountability. You know what?
> They thought they did, but discovered they _really_ wanted something
> that works. The whole dynamic is changing. Slowly, but it is
> changing. In the "real world".
>
> I've used Linux for over 4 years now. I'm not a "geek" or a "hacker",
> just a guy who has an idea what he thinks his computer should do for
> him, and who has found that Linux accomplishes that for him. I have
> both Windows and Linux pc's (not entirely by choice - but that's another
> story) and I find the Linux boxes much easier to maintain and use -
> including getting support when needed, and the software to be of
> immensely better quality. Then again, for me the definition of quality
> begins with it working reliably, and not with how many advertised bells
> and whistles (and pretty icons) it has that don't work. I'll take a
> system that has no "obligation" for support but provides it if you're
> willing to do the minimum and know where to look, over one that promises
> support (and needs it) but doesn't deliver it. You don't have to listen
> real closely to hear the footsteps coming.
>
> - Don
To be honest with you. I've NEVER call any vendor's tech support in my
whole computing life. Other than one time a vendor sent me the wrong
stuff.
I dumped Windowz completely a couple of years ago. Windoz sux. You don't
have to tell me that.;-)
None of my machines are dual boot. (6 so far at home.) They're all
running single OS from SuSE-Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Sun Solaris.
So. It's not an important issue for me.
Alex / blowfish.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 01:48:32 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when John Hasler would say:
>Alex writes:
>> That may be fine with some private end users, but in the real business
>> world, accountability is everything.
>
>In my experience with the business world money is everything.
In my experience, there are so many variations in what motivates action,
it's insane to try to generalize any single answer of what motivates whom.
For instance, it is pretty common for consultants from "big 6"
consulting firms to find _their_ prime motivations coming from:
a) Needing to progress up the career ladder posthaste in order to
get any "corporate rewards;"
b) Needing to bill as much as possible to clients in order to maximize
revenues, which means that it makes perfect sense to try to
"spend like a drunken sailor;"
c) Receiving any bonuses on the basis of conformance with project
plans, with the result that Project Plans are #1.
Several of those things have to do with money in an _indirect_
manner, but, by and large, actions are somewhat separated from
"money," so long as enough is rolling in.
All the sorts of motivations that exist may be readily found in business,
including greed for money, greed for sex, greed for power, greed for
prestige, just to name a few of the "deadly sins."
>> They'll pass even if you have the best stuff out, if nobody can be taken
>> account for, if something goes wrong.
>
>Just as with proprietary software users who need extensive support and
>"accountability" can negotiate a contract with the author. Unlike the case
>with proprietary software, such users have the alternative of negotiating
>such a contract with a third party: he has the source, the lack of which is
>the only thing that sets vendor support apart from third party support in
>the proprietary world.
>
>> As far as I can see. All the distros, including the die-hard Debian. Are
>> out exploiting the GNU-GPL.
>
>How could Debian "exploit" the GPL (or anything else)? Do you understand
>what Debian is?
Indeed. I'd find it interesting just what systems are supposedly not
"exploiting" anything. It's pretty common for comments like this to come
from "BSD trolls;" the fact that BSDI bought out Walnut Creek, and
IBM bought WhistleJet demonstrate that the "BSD world" is not immune
to commercial attempts to "exploit" BSD code either.
>> They're making the profits by repackaging the free stuff put out by
>> volunteers, who have put out their work under GNU-GPL.
>
>Some of those "volunteers" are paid (not by Debian) to work full time on
>Debian. In any case, we do not mind at all that people make money from
>Debian. The right to do so is a requirement of the DFSG.
>
>Last year I made $25,000 as a direct consequence of my free software
>efforts. There is no way I would have made a penny from my software had
>I not released it under the GPL and put it in Debian.
>
>> I don't think that's fair to the developers.
>
>I think that the developers are quite competent to decide what is fair to
>them.
Indeed.
>> And the way the GNU-GPL is written that, you either have to give up
>> everything to your claims,...
>
>Wrong.
The sentence doesn't make sense; this seems to represent some meaning of
"claims" that has been made up on the spot.
>> But never mind if somebody repackage your work and make a hugh profit out
>> from your free work,...
>
>A "huge" profit selling software that anyone can sell? ROFL.
Indeed. With CheapBytes and LSL and LinuxCentral around repackaging
things at eminently low markups, it _has_ to be that if someone is
paying $40 for Red Hat 7.0, they're not paying for the software, but
rather for something else...
>> ...where you no longer has any rights to.
>
>Wrong. I still own the copyrights on my stuff and only I can distribute
>the software under any license other than the GPL.
... Which is the _fascinating_ thing about the GPL, and also the
most-misunderstood...
>> I don't either. But I'm just interested in this opensource movement.
>
>Then you should learn a bit more about it. You don't understand free
>software at all well.
Indeed.
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From: "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake 7.1
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:50:26 -0500
On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth:
$$ Having some trouble getting the mouse not to freeze up??? Have no
$$ idea I have tried everything... I am using FreeBSD with out any
$$ problems...
Don't say that round here, else someone may accuse you of lying! ;^)
No seriously, what other symptoms have you had, and what have you tried?
What WM/DE do you use? Have you tried a different mouse? Do you notice
any flickering of your screen? Are you using the same monitor/video
card settings as you do in FreeBSD?
anm
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