Linux-Misc Digest #322, Volume #19                Fri, 5 Mar 99 17:13:10 EST

Contents:
  Re: Public license question (Christopher Browne)
  yet another win98 + RH Linux question!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: equivalent of edit? (Christopher Browne)
  Re: glibc2.1.x + gnu.org 'political issues'?? (Christopher Browne)
  Re: More bad news for NT ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul E Larson))
  Re: More bad news for NT (Christopher)
  Increase Num Procs (Darren Ehmke)
  Increase Num Procs (Darren Ehmke)
  Re: Ghostscript/Ghostview binary distribution (Lou Poppler)
  Re: Overclocking (was: Re: K6-2 and Linux, Are there any Bug?) ("Tuomo O. 
Vuolteenaho")
  Help: Newbie doesn't know where to start with GNOME! (WARGY)
  Re: Changing Job Priority ("David Z. Maze")
  Re: Linux Screensavers (Collin Bennett)
  Re: Leafnode won't fetch articles/headers (Sam Vere)
  web-chatter (Natanael Copa)
  Re: Directory colours in RedHat 5.2 (William Wueppelmann)
  Re: Open source MS bad for Linux? (William Wueppelmann)
  Re: Downloading at half the speed under Linux vs NT (Collin Bennett)
  tcl8.0.4 tests screwed up root ("Marc D. Williams")

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Public license question
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 00:41:00 GMT

On Wed, 03 Mar 1999 14:21:44 -0500, Rick Onanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Matthias Warkus wrote:
>> 
>> It was the Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:36:48 -0500...
>> ..and Rick Onanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > I have been told that you can copyright something simply by saying
>> > copyright all over it, however, I don't know how that would hold in
>> > a court of law.
>> 
>> You are completely wrong.
>> Everything you create is your intellectual property, and it remains so
>> for at least 70 years (that is IIRC, and in Germany). You don't need
>> to say it's Copyright (c) xxxx by me. You don't need to register it.
>> It's yours. Full stop.
>
>I'm glad that I'm wrong. It's a good thing that copyrights are that 
>way... Authors should be protected.

Interestingly, those that release software under BSD licenses (dig,
dig!) prefer not to have this protection. 

>However...If I write something, and someone else writes the same thing,
>and I take them to court, neither of us having mentioned any copyright,
>how do we prove who did it first? Carbon dating on the paper? :)

I'm not sure that carbon dating is sufficiently accurate for that
purpose... 

At any rate, this is exactly why IBM often releases documentation of
things that may be novel that they don't intend to patent in the IBM
Systems Journal; if you release something into the public purview (which
is almost, but not exactly, the same as "public domain" :-)), then the
fact of having third-party sources that can vouch for the date of
release is Remarkably Useful if you ever need to verify dates in court.

Far nicer to be able to say:

"And I'd like to call to the stand the chief librarian from the Ozark
State University library...

Q: When did you receive a copy of Mr. Crud's manuscript?

A: Contributions to the library are, as per policy, stamped with the
date on which they are accepted.  The card catalogue indicates that the
manuscript was accepted for inclusion in our collection on July 15,
1987.  The stamp on the manuscript indicates that it was received on
July 2 of that year.  The index entry was added by Ms Cheryl Brungard,
who was working under my direction..."

All this would probably prove rather useful for proving that "Author A"
produced the work if "Author B" instead claimed to have produced it, but
with the earliest evidence of "association" being dated in 1988... 

This is one reason why things like theses and other documents of some
significance are contributed to archive collections.  

If someone were to "steal" my master's thesis and claim it as their own,
I could go to either University of Ottawa or the National Archives of
Canada, and call upon their copies (and potentially staff) to provide
evidence of my authorship. 

(Not that this result would be terribly likely...  I've only had a
couple of requests for copies of "Using Interior Point Methods to Solve
the Multicommodity Network Flow Problem" over the years...  It doesn't
seem to be a budding "best-seller...")

-- 
"When people understand what Microsoft is up to, they're outraged."
-- TIM O'REILLY, President, O'Reilly & Associates
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: yet another win98 + RH Linux question!!
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 20:36:02 GMT

Hello everyone,

 I realize that there have been numerous posting on this topic, but
 I have been unable to solve my problem yet!
 Scenario: (hda=6.4G)
 hda1 - fat32 with win98   (2.5G)
 hda2 - extended partition created by win98 (rest of the HD)
 hda5-hda8 - logical partitions created by fdisk (in RH5.2)

 I have successfully installed both OS's and got LILO to boot both
 of the OS's. Also, I did not get any 'mismatch errors between logical
 and physical endings' in linux fdisk.

 Problem:
 I transfer programs I download (at school) for win98 and
 linux by taking them
 in a 100MB HD (w/ e2fs) and then mounting this drive (/mnt/mydrive)
 and the win98 drive (/dos) under linux - This is my affordable
 alternative to getting a zip drive :-)
 I use '-t msdos' switch while mounting the win98
 drive. I noticed that some of the files I copied to the win98 partition
 could not be seen under win98!! Also, I use 'mcopy' (part of mtools)
 to do the copying from /mnt/mydrive to /dos.

 Could someone kindly point me to the source of the problem (and
 possible fix)? Any help would be much appreciated.

 Thankx.

 -Thas


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: equivalent of edit?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 00:41:06 GMT

On 3 Mar 1999 22:22:03 GMT, ErickShun6 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I know it's kinda a stupid question but what is the equvalent of edit
>in linux? 

"There are two kinds of people in the world, son...  Emacs people, and
vi people...  You've got to figure out which one you are..."

Seriously, the two most noted families of text editors on UNIX-like
systems are Emacs <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/wpeditors.html#EMACS>
and vi <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/wpeditors.html#VI>. 

The original Emacs was written using TECO macros; it was later
redeployed in Lisp <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/langlisp.html>, and the
GNU Emacs that we "know and love" today comes with huge quantities of
extra "editing modes" to do things of all sorts.  And gets targeted by
lots of "Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping" jokes... 

Bill Joy wrote vi as part of Sun's early UNIX releases; it is more or
less a standard part of any UNIX distribution today.  Many love it; many
hate it. 

Documentation for these various things available at the assorted URLs
that were enumerated... 
-- 
M$ is for people who want a half-way implementation of yesterday's
ideas tomorrow.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/linux.html>

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: glibc2.1.x + gnu.org 'political issues'??
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 20:51:00 GMT

On Fri, 05 Mar 1999 07:16:27 -0800, jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What are these political issues that keep gnu.org from distributing
>glibc2 updates?  There is a text file at thier ftp site that says
>
>QUOTE
>glibc-2.1 has been (temporarily) removed, until some
>political issues are worked out.
>ENDQUOTE

glibc-2.1 contains some features that work with EGCS, but not with
gcc2.8.1.  (Mostly relating to C++ functionality, I gather.)

Sounds to me like there won't be a new release of glibc until either:
a) The FSF releases a newer version of GCC,
b) EGCS gets "blessed" as the New GCC, or
c) glibc gets back-ported to gcc2.8.1.

-- 
"How should I know if it works?  That's what beta testers are for.  I
only coded it."  (Attributed to Linus Torvalds, somewhere in a posting)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>

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Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
From: whistler<blahblah>@twcny.rr.com (Paul E Larson)
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 20:59:19 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:38:35 -0000, David Hawthorne
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>->The simple fact, whether the computer community likes it or not, is that
>->that terribly nice Mr. Gates has been a boon to computers - by providing an
>->OS which the non-nerd can use. I don't know exactly how my car works, but I
>->can drive to Milan. W95 DOES MAKE COMPUTING EASIER FOR THE MAN IN THE
>->STREET. Fact. Simple as that. Why argue about it?
>
>        Easy...  Because it's not correct.
>
>        (I am working on the assumption that you are referring to 95/98)
>
>        95/98 are clones of the Mac and all the other GUI's that came way
>before Win 3.1/95/98.  The Mac, GEM, GeoWorks on the Commodore 64/128 first,
>then the IBM clones.
>
YUP.... Just like a Jaguar is the clone of a horse and buggy. 


>        IIRC, Win 3.1 and GeoWorks came out about the same time.  GeoWorks
>was vastly superior to Win 3.1.  Make an XT multitask with a fully functioning
>GUI, and much better printing quality on a dot matrix printer than with 3.1.
>Too bad M$ marking killed it.  I loved it.  It was great and flew on the 
>386SX/16 w/ 4 Megs of RAM that I tried it on.  Can't say the same for Win 3.1
>on the same machine.
>

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From: Christopher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.linux
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:05:19 -0600

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Beta was by far the supirior format and to this day is in wide spread use.
> The better does not always win the war. The fact of the mater is. Beta was
> more expensive to produce, and in the day of the format wars, when VCR's
> still cost an arm and a leg. And video's were still pricey.... This was a
> substantial factor. I own a large digital recording studio to this day see
> beta come in on work prints as well as masters. Keith
> 
> In article <7bnd1d$ei6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>   "deuce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Actually the beta format suffered because a consortium of companies
> > refused to licence the patented betamax format owned by Sony.  This
> > resulted in the creation of the VHS format.  The Beta system f(or eg.
> > beta hifi and beta ed) are really quite high end and where in many instances
> > used by television companies in their hayday.
> >
> >
Betacam's are still in widespread use today. Mostly TV stations use them.
Chris
-- 
Jupiter Server running Lucas-Lehmer Formula (MPRIME) 24/7 on Linux 2.0.35
In search of a new Mersenne Prime number(GIMPS)
http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm
             -->> Don't waste idle CPU time! Put it to good use. <<--

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From: Darren Ehmke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Increase Num Procs
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 08:45:28 -0800

Hi,

    Somehow, the first post did not seem to make it, if this is a duplicate please 
ignore.

Question:
     How can I increase the number of processes that can run upon my linux system?
I reached a max of 283, where I receive fork error if I add more.  I need to run around
500 processes for a test on our network. The system is slakware 5.2 with 96 Megs of 
Ram.
Thanks in advance.

Darren        [EMAIL PROTECTED]






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From: Darren Ehmke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Increase Num Procs
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 08:33:08 -0800

Hi,

    Somehow, the first post did not seem to make it, if this is a duplicate please 
ignore.

Question:
     How can I increase the number of processes that can run upon my linux system?
I reached a max of 283, where I receive fork error if I add more.  I need to run around
500 processes for a test on our network. The system is slakware 5.2 with 96 Megs of 
Ram.
Thanks in advance.

Darren        [EMAIL PROTECTED]






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From: Lou Poppler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ghostscript/Ghostview binary distribution
Date: 4 Mar 1999 22:33:44 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Tue, 02 Mar 1999 15:54:48 -0800, Sergio Antoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Could someone please point me to the latest binary distribution of
: ghostscript/ghostview for slackware?

Look at the cool new slackware.com website:

http://www.slackware.com/packages/current/xap/

-- 
*Would you try to solve your Y2K problems by giving more money to
a company whose main product is named Xxxxxxx95 and Xxxxxxx98 ?*

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Crossposted-To: 
alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
From: "Tuomo O. Vuolteenaho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Overclocking (was: Re: K6-2 and Linux, Are there any Bug?)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 20:47:15 GMT

I got that computer on my desk.  The modifications to the processor card
were made by my father -- he's a dentist and good with small drilling
jobs.  The slot 1 processors are from computernerd, each cooled with a big
fan and guaranteed to 464mHz. System has been tested to be stable (with
the right memory) to 103/504mHz.  We run Windows for days, and the
operating system turned out to be more stable higher the processor/bus
speed!  The plan is to keep it at 464mHz for Linux and hardware 
reliability purposes. 

On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Mike Hom wrote:

> check out a real DOA at www.psychosis.com/doa to see
> how to make a dual Celeron go to 500MHz each


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (WARGY)
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Help: Newbie doesn't know where to start with GNOME!
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:08:05 GMT


I've just installed Slackware 3.6 and have X running fine. I now want
to install that cool desktop thing called GNOME to help me feel at
home in Linux/X. I've been to www.gnome.org but I was gob-smacked
completely when it came to installation. Don't get me wrong but there
were so many files there and I didn't have a clue what I was meant to
download.

Also, does anyone know why these Linux programs/utilities are so
complicated to install?  I would've thought it was just one file that
did installation automatically... ok it's Linux but at least let us
Microsoft users try the alternative with a bit of ease. :-)

Anyway, could some please guide me with the installation of GNOME (or
even KDE, if that's any better)? Thanks.

WARGY


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From: "David Z. Maze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Changing Job Priority
Date: 05 Mar 1999 16:48:24 -0500

mtimmons  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
mtimmons> I have a NeuralNet that I want to train in the background 24
mtimmons> hours a day.  I want to have it suspend processing when I am
mtimmons> using the computer for other tasks. The ideal model for what
mtimmons> I want to do is a 'screensaver' that takes over control
mtimmons> after some period of inactivity and then stops processing
mtimmons> when the mouse is moved.
mtimmons> 
mtimmons> Is there any software that manages the priority in some way?

Aside from the Linux kernel itself, not really.  What you probably
want to do is run your program under nice(1), and use that to set a
lower-than-default priority for your program.  Then when normal
processes want the CPU, they get it, but if nothing else is running
your program will continue to run.

-- 
David Maze             [EMAIL PROTECTED]          http://donut.mit.edu/dmaze/
"Hey, Doug, do you mind if I push the Emergency Booth Self-Destruct Button?"
"Oh, sure, Dave, whatever...you _do_ know what that does, right?"

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From: Collin Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Screensavers
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:41:18 GMT

Console Screensavers?  That's an idea.

Matthias Warkus wrote:

> It was the 26 Feb 1999 20:27:36 GMT...
> ..and T. Garay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm not running X Windows.  This machine is simply running as a mail
> > server so I haven't bothered with X Windows much except to configure
> > it.
> >
> > Should I be?
>
> Aah! You're looking for a console screensaver! There is one in
> Midnight Commander, but running a file manager just for the screen
> saver is probably overkill.
>
> mawa
> --
> It is a common characteristic of all democracies that intelligence is
> so highly regarded as to exempt the holder from the cares of office
>                                                     --  major@pyrmania




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sam Vere)
Subject: Re: Leafnode won't fetch articles/headers
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 23:12:30 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:39:23 -0800, Mike Freitas
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Peter Caffin wrote:
>> 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> [...]
>> > Sam Vere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> Okay, I think I've traced the problem one link up the chain: Leafnode
>> >> (1.7.1) is not creating the initial message, so I can't read it, so it
>> >> doesn't download the headers. Great.
>> 
>> You're meant to use a Usenet client (slrn, tin, nn, Free Agent, etc) to
>> connect to your Leafnode NNTPD. Then have a look in a group. You'll find
>> one message telling you about Leafnode and letting you know that it will
>> be getting that newsgroup's messages when fetch is next run.
>> 
>Assuming you followed the install instructions and that you set your
>news server in /usr/lib/leafnode/config to who you normally read news
>from, run 'ftech -lvvvvf', then 'tin -r' (export
>NNTPSERVER=your.pc.name), then 'fetch -lvvvvf' again.
>
>Exporting the nntpserver variable should be set in /etc/profile or
>/etc/nntpserver.
>
>Make sure you enter each newsgroup and read the entries for fetch to
>work.
>
>Hope this helps...

I knew the theory, it was just that under tin the initial message only
shows up if you subscribe via pattern. (ie 'S' name.of.newsgroup, with
wildcards/regexps ass neccessary.)

Simply selecting them from the list did'nt do it...

 
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From: Natanael Copa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: web-chatter
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 23:15:35 +0000

hi!

Is there any free web chat server for appache? something like parachat.
I'm also looking for info about /cgi-bin programming. I would like to
write my own scripts but have no experience of that. Where can i find
tutorials, examples?

thanx. I really appreciate your help.



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Subject: Re: Directory colours in RedHat 5.2
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:47:54 GMT

In our last episode (Fri, 5 Mar 1999 10:32:50 +0200),
the artist formerly known as Devan Willemburg said:
>On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, kernel wrote:
>
>)regoltd wrote:
>)> 
>)> I have recently installed RedHat 5.2 and am new to Linux. I have previously
>)> tried Slackware and liked the way the directories and other files were in
>)> colours and the normal text type files were white. I prefer the RedHat to
>)> the Slackware because it is easier for me to use until I get use to Linux.
>)> Can I do this with RedHat 5.2 and how do I do this.
>)> M. Rego
>
>Try adding the alias: alias ls="ls -l"
>to your .bashrc file... then type "source .bashrc"... that should have you
>seeing groovey psychodelicness all over your screen (: 

That's just going to give the long-form listing.  e.g.:

-rw-rw-r--   1 william  william        32 Feb 24 16:58 /home/william/.vimrc

Try

alias ls="ls --color -F"

which provides colours plus the file type symbols (e.g. executables are
displayed with a '*", symlinks with a "@" and so forth).

--
William
It is pitch black.  You are likely to be spammed by a grue.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Subject: Re: Open source MS bad for Linux?
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:47:56 GMT

In our last episode (5 Mar 1999 00:50:10 GMT),
the artist formerly known as Dillon Pyron said:
>One of the proposed "remedies" for MicroSoft when they lose (almost a given at
>this point, but let's save the champagne :-) would be to force them to "open
>source" all of their OS products.  While it sounds great, what I'm afraid it
>would mean is that instead of one version of MS Windows, there would be dozens of
>implementations, as exists with Linux.  Only problem is, there's already an
>existing user base of tens of millions out there.

They don't have to open source all of their algorithms (brilliant as I'm
sure they are <g>); just the interface.  And they'd have to be forced to
publish any changes to the interface well in advance of making them.  I
think that allowing 3rd party developers access to enough information that
they can create a Windows-compatible OS is exactly what is needed.  That
way, Microsoft can't force people to buy a substandard OS because it's the
only one that runs all of the software.  A cleaned up, stripped down,
stable version of Windows that runs existing Windows software would
actually be a not bad (though not necessarily good) system.  If Microsoft
wanted to keep it's 95% market share, it would have to make sure that the
internals of Windows were faster and more stable than the internals of the
clones, and it would have to sell it at a competitive price.

Personally, I won't use M$ Windows or some 3rd party's clone, but I am very
much interested in making sure that I'm not forced to buy M$ Windows 2???
at some point because Microsoft was allowed to develop to an extent that it
was able to dictate communication standards so that only Windows machines
will be able to talk to anyone else.

>Of course, I think that the real "remedy" will be a severe fine (one or two day's
>profits) and a stern warning to "don't let me catch you doing that again".

IIRC, because it's not a jury trial, the court cannot impose a monetary
penalty.

The real remedy has been that some of Microsoft's veneer of being an
industry leader and innovator that brought cheap computing and quality
software to the masses has been stripped away, and that to some extent, the
public is seeing Gates and Microsoft more for what they really are.  In
addition, news about alternative systems (especially Linux) is going
mainstream.  I've been really surprised at how programs like CNN Moneyline
have been giving a lot of attention to not only the M$ trial, but also
Linux.  Whatever the penalty the courts impose, if any, this has been the
real benefit of the trial.

--
William
It is pitch black.  You are likely to be spammed by a grue.


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From: Collin Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Downloading at half the speed under Linux vs NT
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:48:48 GMT

I read some place that packets on the internet are 572.  I have the
exact model modem and I have my MTU and MRU set at 552.  I read that
value some place too.  Mines work fine.

Mike wrote:

> On Mon, 01 Mar 1999 19:55:30 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >snipped<
> I think I may have mine set for 1500 which I thought was the max.
> Seemed like a good idea at the time.  I'll check them.
> thanks
>
> >you may also want to consider adjusting your mtu setting.  in your
> >ppp-options add the lines
> >mtu 576
> >mru 576
> >may help.
> >
> >tng




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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 13:49:02 -0800
From: "Marc D. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: tcl8.0.4 tests screwed up root

This is a multi-part message (whine, complain, how-do-i).

Last night I compiled the latest tcl/tk packages (8.0.4). 
I was about to install them but decided to do 'make tests' for
completeness. In /usr/local/src/tcl8.0.4/unix.
I'm in X with an xterm open and slrn,
reading news while 'make test' does its thing. Now at some
point I'm getting way too much disk activity and the load is
pretty high. Getting worried I ctrl-c out. For some reason my
next move was to do 'df'. Lost a bunch of space on my /usr partition.
Close to running out of it.
Eh? ls /tmp=nothing. ls /temp=nothing. Hmm.
ls ../tests showed nothing in particular but I did remember seeing
a td1 directory in the xterm display. ls ../tests/td1 had the
contents (or most) of my root tree.
An example of moving too fast here I 'rm -rf td1' and reclaimed
my lost space. Something doesn't feel right though.

Exit X and start midnight commander, get an error about no mc.ini
file. Uh oh... 
What do I see, half or more of my /root contents are gone!
Config/rc files, scripts, dirs, whatever.
It would seem that tcl's 'make test' saw fit to _move_ files
around. Assumptions are bad I know but I assumed that the contents
of the td1 dir were just copies so I removed it (the moving too fast
part).
So what the hell was tcl's tests doing that it needed to move
files?

I decided to use midnight commander's undelete function.
This is rough. I've got 2,110 entries to go through. All with
inode names. I've only made it through a couple hundred before
calling it quits last night (much too angry to stay awake).
Hard part is determing filenames. I have no idea what the name
of a given file is or should be. Some may provide clues, others are
unknown. Is it an rc file? What's the exact name and case?
What subdir was it in? What's the name of that netscape java
plugin/applet? On and on.
Most file are understandably screwed (partially overwritten, whatever).
I think I found my .procmailrc combined with some other file.
It would be helpful if I could grep though the undel list
to find the most important stuff (pppscript, slrnpullrc, slrnrc, etc.)
but midnight commander won't allow it. In fact it "locks up"
after giving me an error regarding that.

Far as backups go, none. Sob story or otherwise I'm broke
as heck, no credit no nada. Been waiting some ten months for
the Army to send me my last check. They tell me it was sent
three weeks ago. Geez, the government's been sending me junk 
since '83 but they somehow lose the last and most important check.
Anyway, no money means I have not been able to purchase backup
tapes for the Iomega Ditto 2GB. The only tape I had available for
Linux backup testing finally had to be given up to backup the
DOS/Win3 hard drive which died two weeks ago.
Believe you me I knew this kind of crap was gonna happen sooner
or later but without any way of backing up I'd have to deal
with it.

The PC Gods have really been giving it to me these past
few months. Good time to give it all up. :-\

Oh, in case I get some "you shouldn't have been running as root"
type thing, I was root since root is what one needs to be to
install the libraries.
Who'da though a 'make test' would screw me ("The PC Gods, that's who!").

Marc D. Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.agate.net/~tvdog/internet.html -- DOS Internet
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Platform/8269/ 
  -- Windows 3.x Makeover

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