Linux-Misc Digest #343, Volume #19 Sun, 7 Mar 99 03:13:10 EST
Contents:
Re: Labels crashing WP8 for Linux (Ralph Alvy)
Re: Help: Newbie doesn't know where to start with GNOME! (jik-)
Re: best offline newsreader? (Jan Panteltje)
Re: BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project ("David Thornewill von Essen")
Re: best offline newsreader? (Jan Panteltje)
Re: Install Linux on intel-based Sequent server (Stuart Eichert)
How does rpm check dependencies? (David M. Siegel)
linux for beginers ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: xdm problems - can't shutdown (Jason Kircher)
Re: Help: Newbie doesn't know where to start with GNOME! (brian moore)
smbmount: Can't get it to work... (Jason Kircher)
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From: Ralph Alvy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Labels crashing WP8 for Linux
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 17:27:19 GMT
In article <7bp8et$o7b$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm having a problem with the labels function of WordPerfect 8 for Linux.
> This is the feature that you get by selecting Format->Labels from the main
> menu. When I try this, I get the list of labels, and I can select one,
> but when I click on OK, WordPerfect crashes. I get no warning, no core
> dump, just a crashed program. If I then re-start WordPerfect, I get the
> "Timed Backup" dialog, and if I click the "File Manager" button and select
> the listed file, I get the envelopes template and can use it. That's
> rather a flaky way to load a template, though. So:
>
> 1) Has anybody else seen this bug?
> 2) Does anybody else NOT get this bug?
> 3) Does anybody have a suggested workaround or fix for this bug?
>
> FWIW, this happens with both the downloadable and retail versions of WP8
> for Linux, on a system with Red Hat 5.2 using kernel 2.2.1. I'm running
> XFree86 3.3.2.3-25 (from a Red Hat RPM), using a Matrox Millennium via the
> XF86_SVGA server. The problem does *NOT* occur if I use WP 7 for Linux;
> it's specific to WP 8.
Rod,
I just tried this as non-root on my shipped shrink-wrap WP8-Linux with no
problem. I'm running it on RedHat 5.2, with Kernel 2.0.36, XFree86-3.3.3.1,
and a Matrox Millenium video card.
In case it matters, it looks like WP8-Linux was compiled for libc5 instead of
libc6. That's why, on some systems, it can give incorrect date/time. I had to
create a smbolic link like this to solve that:
ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo /usr/lib/zoneinfo
Ralph
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From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Help: Newbie doesn't know where to start with GNOME!
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 22:44:34 -0800
> To install gnome 1.0 :
>
> This is what I've done:
>
> 1. get all rpm packages except those marked 'devel' (I assume you' you're
> not interested in developing)
> 1.5 put them all in a new temporary dir (eg. mkdir gnome)
> 2. # rpm -ivh glib-1.2.0-1.i386.rpm
> 3. # rpm -ivh gtk+-1.2.0-1.i386.rpm
> 4. # rpm -Uvh ORBit*
> 5. # rpm -Uvh au*
> 6. # rpm -Uvh esou*
> 7. # rpm -Uvh gnome-libs-1.0.1-1.i386.rpm
> 8. # rpm -Uvh gu*
> 9. # rpm -Uvh lib*
> 10. # rpm -Uvh gnom*
> 11. # rpm -Uvh x*
> 12. # rpm -Uvh GX*
> 13. # rpm -Uvh co*
> 14. # rpm -Uvh e*
> 15. # rpm -Uvh f*
> 16. # rpm -Uvh ...
> well I don't have to type it all - you can find out yourself what depends
> on what.
Jesus Christ!! You mean there is more to install then that???? I mean,
sure when I tried it there was a whole shitload, but I thought that by
NOW they might have shirinked it just a little maybe....guess not.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jan Panteltje)
Subject: Re: best offline newsreader?
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 99 17:45:20 GMT
>Kevin & Chelby Geiss enlightened this group thus:
>> I'm a new linux user. my only gripe is reading usenet news (in fact
>> I'm in windows right now!! blech!)
>>
>> I'm using free agent in windows. I can't find an off line news reader
>> for linux whihc is as good!!!
>>
>> with agent you can select the headers you want downloaded and delete
>> the rest from your account so they are gone forever. you can select
>> multiple headers at once, using shift and the arrow keys. I can sift
>> through 1000 messages in 15 minutes and end up with only the bodies I
>> want to read.
>>
>> Please tell me there is something as good for linux!!!
>
>Knews is very powerful, but it is not offline. I've read reports that Agent
>will work with Wine, and I know for a fact that Agent also works with Wabi.
>
>--
> * ^ \ ___@
NewsFleX is an offline reader, but it is not free.
There is a demo on www.panteltje.demon.nl/newsflex/ that you can try until
May 1.
Jan
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From: "David Thornewill von Essen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.portable,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 23:55:07 -0700
David A. Frantz wrote in message <7bt0pn$32r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hi Robert;
>Robert Billing wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>David Fox wrote:
>>
>>> You could get a Pentium 233MMX thinkpad 560X from Micro Warehouse for
>>> $1299.
>>
>> Look, chaps, if you are going to crosspost to uk.comp.os.linux, could
>>we have the prices in sterling as well please? Btw I have just picked up
>>a Libretto, that runs Linux very well, for �600 (that's about $1000).
>
>The GreenBack, the American Dollar, is ubiquitous. It should be as
>familiar as the rising sun in any first world country, second and third
>world I'm not to sure about.
>
<OFFTOPIC>
Actually, you're likely to find the inverse to be the case. First world
countries have stable currencies of their own and therefore have little
need to cling to the Greenback.
</OFFTOPIC>
Later, David
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jan Panteltje)
Subject: Re: best offline newsreader?
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 99 17:45:20 GMT
>I think you are right. There is a great deal of difference in what
>100-200 million Windows users take for granted and what
>Unix users assume cuts the mustard. It's as if the unix community
>has been locked in the closet with the server for twenty years.
>
>Few in the Unix world seem to have noticed all of that stuff
>whizzing in and out of the world's servers: html formatted messages
>with audio and video clips attached or embedded, compound
>documents passed around the world by large corporations,
>video conferencing done by families dispursed around the nation,
>etc. If you go to a web page in Windows and you don't have the
>necessary software to display the page, you just download it off
>of the page and keep right on going.
>
>Browsers, financial programs, video cam software, digital camera
>software, presentation software, group project management soft-
>ware, online banking capable software, self-updating software...
>what is taken for granted in the Windows world hasn't suitable
>counterparts in the Linux world.
>
>Windows users attracted to Linux by the media hoopla are going
>to be disappointed. The lack of a linux news reader that compares
>to what is available in the Windows world is just one example.
>
>From the discussions that take place in these newsgroups, it
>seems that the average unix user hasn't any idea what can be
>done with Windows desktop software.
>
>Suggestions that the guy looking for capable news reader set up
>a newsgroup server and read its output with a console app are
>really very sad.
>
>richard
Well, you kind of force me to respond.
Your point Is right, but consider that some people only use text (maybe
I should say want text).
XAgent (mentioned before) uses a GUI, (I should know I wrote it), and
can do a lot of things (like the offline reading).
OK some people would like it to look differently, but alas, it is just a
tool.
NewsFleX is a further development of Xagent, and a commercial product.
I will be the first to admit that MS is in a strong position with a lot
of rather good free software.
They provide MOST applications in some free form is it not?
Yes I wrote xagent when I came from win 3.1 to Linux, and needed something
that looked like Free Agent.
Anyways, I think NewsFleX can do the things like viewing clips and getting
more headers.
It can also get web pages (no Java) and it modifies the files so you can get
these with for example Netscape OFFLINE.
I hope you do not see this as an attempt to do a commercial, but I just want
to point out that rather capable software exists (so also for UNIX).
I have stopped the development of the offline web page stuff in NewsFleX,
because MS announced it would be in the next Internet Explorer.
And that program is free (comes free with the OS?).
So, well, that was a little opening in the market.
>From the other perspective, until now, I wrote most things I need.
Other people use some of that stuff, but I always suggest that if you REALLY
need some software, and have the time, and can program, write it and make it
available.
Right now I have changed jobs, and it looks like perhaps I do not have that
much time available to write for Linux, as I am working with MS Developer
Studio and VisualC++ all day long.
That does not mean the end of Linux for me however.
Point is I am not for or against one OS.
But maybe it is dangerous to recommend Linux to the ignorant PC user,
without warning the person for a steep learning curve, and really,
Linus wrote it just for fun is it not?
Many people contribute(d) just for fun.
So keep contributing, then we will have all these programs everyone dreams
of.
But the most important thing is that we enjoy doing it all.
Jan M.
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From: Stuart Eichert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Install Linux on intel-based Sequent server
Date: 7 Mar 1999 07:31:36 GMT
One of our departments here at PENN just donated a Sequent mainframe to us.
(us being STWing, the Science and Technology Wing at PENN.
http://www.stwing.upenn.edu) So we are trying to get linux running on it.
Our biggest problem right now is the 30-amp power connector. However we
figure after we resolve our power issue the real work can begin.
We did some preliminary work Friday night(yes on a Friday night we hung
out with a large computer). We removed the boot drive, a 600MB sequent
SCSI drive. It had a normal 50-pin SCSI connector on it so we tried to
hook it up to somebody's linux x86 pc and see if their controller could
detect it. No such luck on the detection by the controller. We tried
setting the SCSI id to various things, removing the motor-start option
jumper, the parity check option jumper. Nothing would get it picked up.
However inspecting this drive might not be necessary. A quick read of one
of the many manuals indicates that the Sequent runs DYnix, their own POSIX
compliant UNIX, it also can run Windows NT with no modifications(god knows
why you would want to run winbloated empty on these massive machine). This
gives us hope that we can linux up and running. We might have to do some
funky install stuff , but it seems possible.
The second issue, is the fact that this machine consists of a backplane
with a bunch of motherboards and RAM boards plugged into it. The manual
indicates that this is the VMEbus(I believe, don't kill me if I forgot
already). I also checked out memory addressing. If a processor(oh yeah by
the way we have like 2 dual-486-boards and 2 dual-pentium boards in the
thing) generates an address between 0 and 2 gig it will map to the normal
physical address. If it generates anything between 2gig and 4gig then
there is some special translation for certain address ranges. One range
handles communicating to other processors, one to devices, and there are
others.
Any info you have on your progress would be greatly appreciated. If you
could followup up to this on comp.os.linux.misc that would be great. In
addition email-ing our group at [EMAIL PROTECTED] would also be
helpful.
We will update this newsgroup with our progress in the future.
Stuart
tklew wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> Had anyone out crazy enough to install Linux on a intel-based Sequent
server ?
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Siegel)
Subject: How does rpm check dependencies?
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 07:42:26 GMT
I've just tried to install the latest version of GQview, and rpm
complained about several library files.
All the library files are located in my /usr/local/lib, and they are
cached by ld.so.
How can I convince rpm that they're present?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux
Subject: linux for beginers
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 07:37:32 GMT
I am a windows 95 user who wants to put linux on a pentium 75 laptop i have.
I was wondering what experienced users recomend as far a version of the linux
os. Any help would be great, thanks
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From: Jason Kircher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: xdm problems - can't shutdown
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 07:50:52 GMT
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Make sure you a) log on as root, or b) su as root first.
Identify the pid xdm is running on with:
ps aux | grep xdm
You'll get an output that looks like the following:
root 257 0.0 0.7 1984 504 ? S 14:08 0:00 xdm
root 708 0.0 0.4 952 312 p1 S 02:43 0:00 grep xdm
The pid of xdm is in the second column. To kill xdm (based on the above output),
use the next command:
kill -9 257
Substitute the proper pid in place of 257, or who knows what you might bring
down!
It is a very good idea, before you do this, to make sure nothing is using X.
Just close all windows, log out of X, and switch to another TTY.
At this point, it would be safe to say that X has been killed.
Hope this helps any...
(I know there is a slicker way of doing this, anyone?)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Linux: Red Hat 5.1
> Computer: 486dx2/66, 20MB ram
>
> When I activate xdm it works properly, except that I can not shutdown the
> computer. Logged in as root, I type shutdown -h now in a command shell and the
> following messages appear:
> (loosely paraphrased)
> Broadcasting ... (my memory fails me right now)
> Starting shutdown procedure ...
>
> then the command prompt comes up again.
>
> halt freezes the computer, and after turning the power off and on the disk
> needs to be checked in the boot up procedure.
>
> init 0 starts the shutdown procudure, but seems to get stuck at shutting down
> gpm mouse services.
> init 3 has no effect (I heard that this would put me back in regular mode so
> that I could exit X back to the text based interface).
>
> So, if I run xdm then how do I shut down the computer?
> How can I turn off xdm once it is activated without rebooting the computer?
>
> This is my first installation of linux and I have not made any weird
> modifications... the system should be close to original.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Stephen
>
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Make sure you a) log on as root, or b) su as root first.
<br>Identify the pid xdm is running on with:
<br>ps aux | grep xdm
<br>You'll get an output that looks like the following:
<pre>root <b>257</b> 0.0 0.7
1984 504 ? S 14:08 0:00 xdm</pre>
<pre>root 708 0.0 0.4
952 312 p1 S 02:43 0:00 grep xdm</pre>
The pid of xdm is in the second column. To kill xdm (based on the
above output), use the next command:
<p>kill -9 257
<p>Substitute the proper pid in place of 257, or who knows what you might
bring down!
<br>It is a very good idea, before you do this, to make sure nothing is
using X. Just close all windows, log out of X, and switch to another
TTY.
<br>At this point, it would be safe to say that X has been killed.
<br>Hope this helps any...
<p>(I know there is a slicker way of doing this, anyone?)
<p>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Linux: Red Hat 5.1
<br>Computer: 486dx2/66, 20MB ram
<p>When I activate xdm it works properly, except that I can not shutdown
the
<br>computer. Logged in as root, I type shutdown -h now in a command shell
and the
<br>following messages appear:
<br>(loosely paraphrased)
<br>Broadcasting ... (my memory fails me right now)
<br>Starting shutdown procedure ...
<p>then the command prompt comes up again.
<p>halt freezes the computer, and after turning the power off and on the
disk
<br>needs to be checked in the boot up procedure.
<p>init 0 starts the shutdown procudure, but seems to get stuck at
shutting down
<br>gpm mouse services.
<br>init 3 has no effect (I heard that this would put me back in regular
mode so
<br>that I could exit X back to the text based interface).
<p>So, if I run xdm then how do I shut down the computer?
<br>How can I turn off xdm once it is activated without rebooting the computer?
<p>This is my first installation of linux and I have not made any weird
<br>modifications... the system should be close to original.
<p>Thanks in advance.
<p>Stephen
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Help: Newbie doesn't know where to start with GNOME!
Date: 7 Mar 1999 07:55:26 GMT
On Sat, 06 Mar 1999 22:44:34 -0800,
jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > To install gnome 1.0 :
> >
> > This is what I've done:
> >
> > 1. get all rpm packages except those marked 'devel' (I assume you' you're
> > not interested in developing)
> > 1.5 put them all in a new temporary dir (eg. mkdir gnome)
> > 2. # rpm -ivh glib-1.2.0-1.i386.rpm
> > 3. # rpm -ivh gtk+-1.2.0-1.i386.rpm
> > 4. # rpm -Uvh ORBit*
> > 5. # rpm -Uvh au*
> > 6. # rpm -Uvh esou*
> > 7. # rpm -Uvh gnome-libs-1.0.1-1.i386.rpm
> > 8. # rpm -Uvh gu*
> > 9. # rpm -Uvh lib*
> > 10. # rpm -Uvh gnom*
> > 11. # rpm -Uvh x*
> > 12. # rpm -Uvh GX*
> > 13. # rpm -Uvh co*
> > 14. # rpm -Uvh e*
> > 15. # rpm -Uvh f*
> > 16. # rpm -Uvh ...
> > well I don't have to type it all - you can find out yourself what depends
> > on what.
>
> Jesus Christ!! You mean there is more to install then that???? I mean,
> sure when I tried it there was a whole shitload, but I thought that by
> NOW they might have shirinked it just a little maybe....guess not.
Um, the goal is to expand it, not shrink it.
Doesn't do you a lot of good to have a series of desktop applications
when they number only 2.
Expect it to get much bigger: GNOME looks quite nice so far.
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Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Jason Kircher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: smbmount: Can't get it to work...
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 08:02:13 GMT
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Without going into why I want to mount Win98 drives, here's the
problem...
Well, to put it simply, smbclient works, but smbmount doesn't. I can
mount NFS filesystems (now that I know which daemons to SIGHUP after
playing with /etc/exports!) Every time I try to use smbmount, I get a
variant of the following:
jfkmmx:/home/jkircher# smbmount //tina/c /net -I 206.113.4.4
Password:
mount error: Invalid argument
Please look at smbmount's manual page for possible reasons
I've been through the smbmount manpage many times, and I'm still very
confused. I tried various premutations of //tina/c, \\\\tina\\c, etc,
no success. smbclient '\\tina\c' works just fine, and yes, it's like an
FTP client. Anyone have some insight they could share with me on this
one?
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Without going into why I want to mount Win98 drives, here's the problem...
<p>Well, to put it simply, smbclient works, but smbmount doesn't.
I can mount NFS filesystems (now that I know which daemons to SIGHUP after
playing with /etc/exports!) Every time I try to use smbmount,
I get a variant of the following:
<pre>jfkmmx:/home/jkircher# smbmount //tina/c /net -I 206.113.4.4
Password:
mount error: Invalid argument
Please look at smbmount's manual page for possible reasons</pre>
I've been through the smbmount manpage many times, and I'm still very confused.
I tried various premutations of //tina/c, \\\\tina\\c, etc, no success.
<tt>smbclient '\\tina\c' </tt>works just fine, and yes, it's like an FTP
client. Anyone have some insight they could share with me on this
one?
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-Jason Kircher<br>
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