Linux-Misc Digest #343, Volume #21 Mon, 9 Aug 99 19:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Thank you for your help, it works now. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: guaranteed annual income (Martin R. Green)
Re: Real Audio Play for RH 6.0 ("Christopher R. Redinger")
Re: yacc libraries (Pretty Boy Mohandas)
Re: Modules for OPTi924 Sound Card (Bart Schouten)
Re: Strange bootup message in RH 6.0 (Robin Becker)
Re: linux networking ("RT")
Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Re: why do I lose my entire system at restart, how to minimize loss? (Martin R.
Green)
Re: How do I tell RH sees a second CPU? (Floyd Davidson)
Re: CDROM driver not supported in RH 6 install ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: NTFS on RH 6.0 ("RT")
Win to linux floppy? (tans)
Disappearing tool bar (Ron Tucker)
Redefine 'jiffie' (Paul Miller)
Re: Looking for Astronomy (starchart) software. (Carl Johnson)
Re: 4.5G Seagate Ultra SCSI Barracudas. ("Lee Sharp")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Thank you for your help, it works now.
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 18:36:41 GMT
thanks
steven
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin R. Green)
Subject: Re: guaranteed annual income
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 20:50:47 GMT
Here in Canada, the welfare benefits are so generous that not only do
recipients have a disincentive to find work since they lose many
benefits us poor working stiffs will never have (such as FREE health
care and food, free transportation via taxis, and subsidized or free
housing), but it is so attractive to some people that *generations* of
some families live off welfare with no desire to ever find work and
stop sponging of the productive members of society. Don't tell me that
in most welfare states there is any limit to how long someone can live
off the state (which really means sponge off your neighbors). Of
course, from what you say, the Netherlands is the exception.
Welfare is supposed to provide for the survival of an individual in
times of great need, but instead has allowed the terminally lazy in
society to obtain colour televisions, cars, stereo systems, etc (you
know, all the *real* necessities of life) at taxpayer expense. I do
not begrudge the truly needy on welfare who use it to stay alive while
they upgrade their skills or find other means of gainful employment,
but the truth is the for every "truly needy" citizen that uses welfare
as it was intended, there are twenty greedy, lazy pigs suckling at the
nipple of society with no intention of ever attempting to find work.
And you can quote me on that. Oh, and if that makes you think I'm a
selfish bastard, thank you, I'm proud of it.
On Mon, 09 Aug 1999 17:49:56 +0200, "A.T.Z." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>De Messemaeker Johan schreef:
>
>> Jeff wrote:
>> >
>> > > The social security system Europe is totally different from the US system.
>> > > In the US it's generally associated with retirement, while in Europe
>> > > everybody is eligible regardless of the age. One could say, that if you
>> > > combine the welfare with social security, that would be the europian social
>> > > security system. The benefits are also more generous, when compared to the
>> > > states. In some respect, there's no such system in place in the US.
>> >
>> > What you're saying is that eveyone is eligible to sit on their butt and do nothing
>> > if they so desire.
>> >
>> > No thanks, I'll pass.
>>
>> They can, but it won't do them no good.
>
>True.
>
>> When they do this, they receive
>> very little money.
>
>True.
>
>> After a while, they don't get anything anymore.
>
>Not true, at least, not in The Netherlands. One could keep on living on what the gov.
>is
>giving them, but it's not much.
>
>>
>> It doesn't work quite as good but it's a nice solution for people who
>> suddenly got very ill or lost their job.
>
>That's what the whole system is about. If one lose a job and can't find another, he or
>she can eat, pay the rent, gasbills, water etc.
>
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From: "Christopher R. Redinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Real Audio Play for RH 6.0
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 14:53:55 -0400
Kelvin Leung wrote:
>
> Yes, there is a alpha version of G2 from real.com, I forget the URL,
> anyone knows? It's in www.real.com.
>
> Kelvin
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ralph Blach
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > is there a real audio player for Redhat 6.0 yet?
> >
> > Chip
I've got the alpha G2 installed, but I'm wondering how in the world to
get netscape to recognize that there is a plugin available for
RealPlayer files? I've done the setup like they describe in their FAQ to
tell netscape about a helper application for the mimetypes, but Netscape
still tells me I don't have a plugin available for the
audio/x-pn-realaudio-plugin mimetype.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Christopher
http://www.broadcastmusic.com
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From: Pretty Boy Mohandas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: yacc libraries
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 16:41:03 +0600
ben wrote:
>
> hi, I am trying to compile a yacc generated file, but I get following
> error:
>
> $ gcc y.tab.c -ll
> /tmp/ccc00459: In function `yyparse':
> /tmp/ccc00459(.text+0xcc): undefined reference to `yyerror'
You gotta write one. Check out the O'Reilly book.
--
len
if you must email, reply to:
len bel at world net dot att dot net (no spaces, ats2@, dots2.)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bart Schouten)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Modules for OPTi924 Sound Card
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 19:06:28 GMT
doesn't "make modules; make modules_install" work?
On Fri, 6 Aug 1999 23:58:39 -0300, "Pedro Kiefer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I configured my sound card using isapnp. But now i don't know which modules
>should i load.
>Can Any body help me? My dumped my isapnp down here.
>
>Board 1 has Identity 1f 08 00 00 00 24 09 14 3e: OPT0924 Serial No
>134217728 [checksum 1f]
>OPT0924/134217728[0]{Pro Audio 16 }: Ports 0x220 0x130 0x380; IRQ5
>DMA0 --- Enabled OK
>OPT0924/134217728[1]{Game Port }: Port 0x201; --- Enabled OK
>OPT0924/134217728[2]{MPU401 }: Port 0x300; IRQ10 --- Enabled OK
>OPT0924/134217728[5]{OPT924 }: Port 0x30D; --- Enabled OK
>
>
>Thanx
>
>Pedro Kiefer
>
>
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From: Robin Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Strange bootup message in RH 6.0
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:56:45 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.edu>, Mark Mykkanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>Whenever I boot my system I get this error added to my /var/log/messages
>and sometimes to my boot screen...I think it has to do with the loopback
>device, but I don't know what I have configured wrong.
>
>Jul 27 00:10:42 shamu init: Entering runlevel: 3
>Jul 27 00:10:45 shamu modprobe: can't locate module lo:0
>Jul 27 00:10:45 shamu modprobe: can't locate module lo:1
>Jul 27 00:10:45 shamu modprobe: can't locate module lo:2
>...
>Jul 27 00:10:47 shamu modprobe: can't locate module lo:49
>Jul 27 00:10:47 shamu network: Bringing up interface lo succeeded
>
>Does anybody know how I can fix this problem?
>
>
I'm getting the same, but only with my own kernel which has most of the
net stuff compiled as modules.
I don't get any problems and I'm advised you can add an 'alias lo off'
to your /etc/conf.modules
--
Robin Becker
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From: "RT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux networking
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:53:56 +0200
LINUX NETWORK ADMINISTRATOR'S GUIDE
OLAF KIRCH
ISBN:1-56592-087-2
Best regards,
Rudy
Jeffery Browning heeft geschreven in bericht
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>We are building a continuity book and I would like to add a good linux
>administration book to it. Any suggestions?
>--
>Jeffery C. Browning, Enhanced Solutions
>Computing
>Systems Administrator 2251 Old Cornelia Hwy
> Gainesville, Ga 30507
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:54:46 -0700
On 09 Aug 1999 16:06:17 -0400, Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hobbyist �) writes:
>
>> I assume that you mean that M$ is imposing slavery upon us all. If I'm
>> indeed correct would you care to explain why? I feel free to use whatever I
>> want to. This monopoly was attained by no use of force as is used in the
>> context of slavery.
>
>the DoD requires all documentation to be submitted in ms-word 6.0 for
>windows. you work for a DoD contractor; you use ms-word. everyone
>here hates microsoft, but we like to win contracts.
Considering that Word6 is a non-moving target, living
without an actually copy of msoffice shouldn't be too \
much of a problem. Not to mention, I had Office Pro 4.3
running under Wine quite a while ago. Wabi runs it as well.
>
>> Why the IMMENSE exaggeration?
>
>you are obviously a student or unemployed. get a job. see what they
>have you use.
>
>yes, you can find unix jobs. but what if you're not a sysadmin or
>asic vhdl jockey?
>
>most jobs, even engineering jobs, plant a wintel box on your desk and
>expect you to use ms-word, ms-powerpoint, ms-excel &c. i was in grad
>school between 1990 and 1995 and was spoiled rotten by all the nice
>unix boxen. imagine my surprise when i showed up for my first day of
>work. i have access to some unix machines (remotely) but it's not as
>nice as staring straight into the heart of a sun.
>
>the fact that i like to live well and eat makes me use microsoft
>products.
>
>--
>johan kullstam
--
It helps the car, in terms of end user complexity and engineering,
that a car is not expected to suddenly become wood chipper at some |||
arbitrary point as it's rolling down the road. / | \
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin R. Green)
Subject: Re: why do I lose my entire system at restart, how to minimize loss?
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 19:55:23 GMT
Thanks for all your comments. After seeing some of the discussion of
this issue, I realized that in both cases my Linux partition was
fatally trashed, the reboot had happened *during* the boot up sequence
(once my fault, once the PUC). Someone commented in this thread that
this was definitely the worst case scenario and could indeed totally
trash a volume. Is this true?
Incidentally, in both cases I ran fsck (answered y to all questions)
and it gave me some message which said something like "volume is too
messed up, I have to give up now" (OK, I paraphrased freely), and left
me with no option but to cold boot again, which again detected the
trashed volume and left me back at the root account to try again...
and again... and...
Why would a hiccough in the boot sequence be so messy for Linux?
Martin.
On Sat, 7 Aug 1999 00:46:03 +0100, Heeeeeeeez back!
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Martin R. Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Forgetting, for a moment, that question of what is causing the
>> crashes, I just wanted to weigh in on the crash recovery question. As
>> a RH6.0 newbie, I have to wonder why Linux seems far more susceptible
>> to catastrophic mangling of disk volumes when it is not shut down
>> properly than DOS/Windows.
>
>But... It isn't more susceptible to disk mangling.
>I've had a power filaure or reset that caused it to drop into emergency mode
>several times... Running fsck /dev/hda<whatever-partition-failed> fixed it
>every time.
>
>e.g. On bootup after a reset it complains that fsck couldn't fix a file
>system (say... hda3) and drops you into a root password prompt.
>
>Enter the password, type fsck /dev/hda3
>Answer <y> to all the questions (Unless you know what it and you are doing
>well enough)... And everything's just hunky-dory...
>
>When 98 or NT suffers the same thing, it automatically runs chkdsk (or is it
>scandisk..?).
>(This is almost excatly what linux does, but linux offers more control, and
>therefore the emergency mode is used and manual fscking...)
>
>> Anyway, I have been using DOS/Windows (ALL varieties) since about
>> 1980, and although some files may be trashed, overall a simple
>> "scandisk" or "NDD" will restore the disk volume almost like new.
>
>As will fsck in linux. Their function is almost identical, even if their
>form differs.
>
>> WinNT is even less likely still to have its volumes damaged by an
>> improper shutdown. But Linux, ah... Linux.
>
>Is fine.
>
>> I have had about a half dozen power burps long enough to cause Linux
>> to reboot since I installed it a couple of weeks ago, and in two
>> cases, damage to the Linux volumes was catastrophic, requiring a full
>> sytem reinstall both times. In the other cases, the volumes were badly
>> damaged, but were successfully repaired during the boot sequence.
>
>Doubt it... A *really* doubt it...
>The only thing your likely to lose in such a situation is the file it was
>holding in its cache at the time and hadn't written yet.
>
>> Why is a Linux volume so screwed up by a bad shutdown while a
>> FAT16/FAT32/NTFS volume is hardly ruffled at all?
>
>I think you should RTFM...
>:)
>
>Type 'man fsck' to start with.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Subject: Re: How do I tell RH sees a second CPU?
Date: 9 Aug 1999 21:18:01 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jared Hecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Subject line says it all. I added a second PPro to a RH5.2 machine and
>while I *think* it's faster I am looking for a utility that confirms Linux
>sees it (I know RH6.0 deals with SMP better and am planning to upgrade).
>xosview did not, nor did xsysinfo.
The boot messages should have indicated how many cpu's were
found, and will tell you something about them. If you have
booted recently, then "dmesg | more" will probably show you the
boot messages, otherwise you can find them in the syslog files.
The cpu clock speed and the bus clock speed should be shown,
plus some specifics on the CPU such as the stepping.
You can also cat /proc/cpuinfo to learn all variety of
information. You can cat /proc/interrupts to see counts for
each cpu, and you can see other info about cpu's in /proc/stat.
There are various programs to show cpu status which function
with SMC (xcpustate is one example).
Floyd
--
Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CDROM driver not supported in RH 6 install
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 21:32:42 GMT
> Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What kind of CD-ROM drive do you have? If it is an IDE / ATAPI drive,
> just select the generic IDE/ATAPI drive. Otherwise if it is SCSI,
> select Yes for SCSI controller and select your SCSI controller type,
if
> asked. Once the SCSI controller is configured, the CD-ROM will be
> automatically detected.
>
> Otherwise there are only about 10 "other" CDROMs, that use special
> drivers (are any of these still made?).
This solution makes sense to me, but at the moment, I don't have the
option of choosing anything generic. After I select the Local CDROM
installation medium I am given a choice between SCSI or other CDROM. My
CDROM is not SCSI, so I choose other CDROM. Then I am given the choice
of 10 drivers, none of which work for me.
I can't think why the installation program would have a problem. The
Western Digital hard drive is not the original, but I've never had a
problem with it. Help appreciated.
Matt Bowyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "RT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NTFS on RH 6.0
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 01:04:17 +0200
startx
cd /usr/src/linux
make xconfig
Filesystems
yes: NTFS filesystem support (read-only)
Save and exit
make dep; make clean; make bzImage;
cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-.....
make modules modules_install
/sbin/lilo
Best regards,
Rudy
Matthew O. Persico heeft geschreven in bericht
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>The mount(3) page says that ntfs is a legal argument to -t. It isn't
>working for me. Do I have to do some kernel/module magic to make it so?
>
>--
>Matthew O. Persico
>
>You'll have to pry my Emacs from my cold dead oversized
> control-pressing left pinky finger. -- Randal L. Schwartz
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From: tans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Win to linux floppy?
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 21:19:24 GMT
Is it possible to copy a linux file to a floppy with windoze? I'm
online now useing win95 cause I can't get online from linux. I copied
the linux rc5 client to a floppy hopeing I could run it. Wrong file
type. Is there a way to do this? I tried rawrite but it didn't work.
Is there anyway to force copy from dos to ext2?
Tans
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From: Ron Tucker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Disappearing tool bar
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 17:41:05 -0400
Just installed rh 6.0 which uses Netscape. I have an intermittent
problem in that when accessing ng's the "new message" tool bar
disappears. Just wondering if anyone else is having this problem. I
have removed and reinstalled but intermittently it's still there/gone
whichever way you look at the half-glass question.
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From: Paul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Redefine 'jiffie'
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 16:32:28 -0500
I am needing to find out how to redifine a jiffie in the Linux kernel.
Out of the box is it not 10ms? I am needing it to be around 100
micro-seconds for an experiment a collegue of mine is doing.
Thanx for any pointers,
--
Paul Miller
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Carl Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: sci.astro.amateur,comp.sources.wanted
Subject: Re: Looking for Astronomy (starchart) software.
Date: 09 Aug 1999 09:24:06 -0700
Timothy Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hello Folks:
>
> I am looking for software about open-source astronomy-related starchart
> for Linux that displays stars, planets, sun, moon, etc on the screen by
> desired date and place. I remember about old software called "starchart"
> comes from one of comp.sources.* some time ago. Its latest version was
> 3.x. I forget its ftp site's name. Can you give me a pointer?
>
> Also are there any similar software (other than starchart) for Linux?
Try looking for the xephem program. It seems to be the successor to
starchart. It requires motif, but seems to run reasonably well using
lesstif. It is available as a debian package, and possibly others as
well. The web page is listed at:
http://iraf.noao.edu/~ecdowney/xephem.html
--
Carl Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Lee Sharp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,alt.os.linux,alt.linix
Subject: Re: 4.5G Seagate Ultra SCSI Barracudas.
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:46:29 -0500
Penguin Head wrote in message <7ondpl$ms$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
|I heard that Segate is phasing out their 4.5G Seagate Ultra or Ultra2
|SCSI Barracudas. Is that true? Has anyone heard anything about this?
|Segate site does not say anything about it.
They have already stopped production on the 4.3 gig Barracudas and
Cheetahs. Once the channel is empty, they are gone. However, the 9.1 gig
LVD Cheetahs and Barracudas are where the 4.3s were last year. Progress...
Lee
--
SCSI is *NOT* magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is
necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and then. * Black
holes are where God divided by zero. - I am speaking as an individual, not
as a representative of any company, organization or other entity. I am
solely responsible for my words.
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