Linux-Misc Digest #880, Volume #19 Sat, 17 Apr 99 21:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux version of autoexec.bat (jik-)
Information for students ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: A New 'puter Board for Me (Rich Looke)
Microsoft Mouse on X at 1280x768 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Sendmail Aliases DB question... (Nathan Ranger)
Re: linux being user-friendly (Byron A Jeff)
Re: ATI RAGE 128 FURY and X (Nils Freese)
ANNOUNCE: WebMacro 0.85.1 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
linux being user-friendly (hellraiser)
Re: posting language (was: coredump wit free()) (Jeffrey L Straszheim)
Re: Autoconf (Matt Cole)
Re: VMWare speed (Geoff McCaughan)
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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 11:06:58 -0700
From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux version of autoexec.bat
Bruce Richardson wrote:
>
> Reyn EagleStorm wrote:
> >
> > Carl Davis wrote:
> > >
> > > What file would act like the autoexec.bat file?
> >
> > ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_profile
> > I suggest you read a manual or two, because this is extremely basic
> > stuff...
> >
>
> I suggest _you_ go back and read them. .bashrc etc. are login scripts,
> not startup scripts. That honour is assigned to the rc scripts.
autoexec.bat is also used to set the PATH and other shell variables.
But I would suggest not looking at THOSE files for login, but ~/.profile
and /etc/profile because ~/.bashrc does not get read by the login shell
unless you tell it to in ~/.profile.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Information for students
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 22:37:14 GMT
Hi everyone!
I need some help with a homework, could you help me?
I know that Linux is a free OS, but who distributes it? What's the main
advantage of Linux over Windows? What does Microsoft do against Linux?
Please send your answer to my e-mail.
Thank you!
JORRAMI
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From: Rich Looke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: A New 'puter Board for Me
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:38:19 -0400
Thanks Jeff,
And also thanks to Adam and Jim for the reply.
To further clarify what I'm doing, I currently use 3Com Impact ISDN
modems on both ends of my link. These are serial modems that support 230
kb UART's. At the office I use a Turbo Express serial card to get the
high baud rate. And the Win98 machine that I currently use to connect to
the office machine uses a USB to RS232 converter which also has support
for fast Baud Rates.
I have already bought a pair of Ascend Pipeline ISDN Routers that I will
eventually replace the 3Coms with when I learn how to use them. One's a
Pipeline 50, and the other is a Pipeline 75. These Routers are not much
problem to setup for dial-in. But they are more difficult to setup for
dial out. They are optimized for dial on demand applications and that's
great if you only have one destination. But I don't want to use dial on
demand at all so I think I'll end up writing a little utility that can
initiate the connections to the various destinations I use.
Anyway, overkill or not, I think I'll go with a 500 MHz job anyway just
so I can have something that's real fast. So I'm still looking for the
right MB and still appreciating your suggestions.
Also, at this point, I pretty sure I'll end up using multi-headed
version of Accelerated-X. They can bundle it with the OS which should
make install easier and they say they'll give me unlimited tech support
for it. They couldn't recommend a mother board though, they just say
they haven't had any complaints from customers regarding MB specific
problems.
Rich
Jeff McWilliams wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rich Looke wrote:
> Rich,
>
> Wow, that's a tall order. Here are a couple comments based on my own
> experiences.
>
> First off, I don't think the stardard XFree86 supports any sort of dual
> display functionality right now. Check www.xfree86.org. You may be REQUIRED
> to run a dual headed version of Xi's X server to take advantage of your card.
> I'd also check with them to see if their card has the support you're looking
> for.
>
> Further, I think you'll be fairly challenged in finding a motherboard which
> supports more than 2 ISA slots these days. Most people buying new ATX
> motherboards seem to value 5 PCI slots, 2 ISA, and 1 AGP slot. If you're
> building a new machine, then I suspect you don't plan on using a lot of old
> legacy hardware in it. Just about anything you might want to plug into such a
> board these days will be PCI based, except for cheap PCI cards and possibly an
> internal analog modem.
>
> Stay away from PCI modems. It sounds like you're going to have an ISDN
> connection in which case you may not need an analog modem anyway. Go to
> www.dejanews.com and search comp.os.linux.networking for stuff about ISDN.
> When I looked there and in the kernel documentation for ISDN it seemed that
> most of the internal ISDN modem support was for European based ISDN.
>
> Here at work we use an ISDN router. It's a Netgear RT328. You plug it into
> your ISDN line, and then plug it into your twisted pair ethernet network. Set
> it up and you magically have a LAN that's connected via ISDN to whatever is on
> the other end. They're pretty affordable too - might make more sense than the
> hassle of an ISDN "modem".
>
> I hope this helps a little. It doesn't directly answer your questions, but it
> may give you some additional insight on choosing some hardware.
>
> Jeff
>
> --
> Jeff McWilliams - Advanced Development Engineer, ACE Technologies
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Microsoft Mouse on X at 1280x768
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 22:47:55 GMT
Hi there,
I still can't manage to use X on RH5.2 Linux at 1280x768 resolution showing
the mouse pointer... it's there because the pop-up menu system works well
but the pointer isn't visible!
I've configured my mouse at Setup as a Microsoft Compatible mouse... it also
uses 3-button mouse emulation since it's a two button mouse -if i had know
of Linux/Gnome before i'd do other mouse.. :)- well, so what's wrong?
Please somebody help me with this. My monitor is a Goldstar 1465SD monitor
with vertical refresh at 50-90 Hz.. the 1280x768 screen paints very well,
but the mouse pointer doesn't get painted at all...
i love that resolution so please help me...
thanks a lot.
Antonio,
from Lima, Peru.
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From: Nathan Ranger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Sendmail Aliases DB question...
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 14:40:24 -0400
I help a local IP with some of their systems. Lately, the sysadmin and I
have been trying to get multiple domains to work with multiple duplicate
aliases. Here is what we want to do:
Domain xyz.com and domain abc.com (via the DNS MX entries) go to the
same machine (ie: Cwxyz.com and Cwabc.com are in the sendmail.cf)
however, both companies want a "sales@..." e-mail address. So, in the
/etc/aliase file I put:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:xyzguy
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:abcguy
However, when I do a "newaliases" is reports that there is a duplicate
aliases entry and only obeys one of them.
Are there any special characters I can put in the aliase file to take
care of this or some M4 mods that I can do in the .cf file? We're losing
customers to the NT guys down the street because of it.
-NR
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Byron A Jeff)
Subject: Re: linux being user-friendly
Date: 17 Apr 1999 20:14:55 -0400
In article <7fb3l3$rcm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
-I think Linux can be friendly and powerful at the same time. I mean, if it's a
-free software, someone can find the way to make it friendly for the new users.
-
-Linux is fighting against Debill Gates and his Windows. Users are gonna change
-Windows for other OS, and that Os will have to be better in all the possible
-ways, and it includes the interface.
-
-Linux HAS to change its command-line interface for a graphic interface. Now,
-only the experts can use Linux, but it is made for everyone. We can make it
-attractive to the users by changing its interface.
We see the above charge at least once every three weeks. The point that's
missing is that even with a GUI, complex tasks are still complex, and users
still have to learn and understand how the system works before they can
effectively use it.
Both of these two assertions are false:
1) A GUI will make a system easier to use.
2) A GUI will make a system easier to learn.
These two assertions are closer to the truth.
1) A stable and powerful will make a system easier to use.
2) Well written documentation will make a system easier to learn.
I think Linux is well ahead on both fronts.
The fact that NT has a point and click interface makes it absolutely no easier
to administer. It doesn't create an intuitiveness such that any casual user
(such as myself) can walk up and effectively administer the machine without
any prior knowledge or training. The GUI doesn't help.
And the very assertion that Linux doesn't have a GUI is crap. It's easy to
create a 100% point and click interface to everything in Linux using current
window managers and tools. However the CLI is purposeful because it's a
language and has the ability to express complexity that no point and click
interface can do as effectively.
As an analogy, I'm pretty sure you can go to France and manage by just looking
at signs, and pointing images of what you need. However to be really expressive
you need to speak French.
Lastly, I again point to the fact that using a machine and administering it
are entirely two different activities. The former can be completely GUI,
not require a whole lot of training, in order to be effective. The latter
requires a big clue, and quite a bit of training to manage effectively. So
to say that adding a GUI can get one from user to admin is quite a bit of
a reach.
BAJ
-
-JORRAMI
-
-In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
- hellraiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
-> why are poeple trying to make linux user-friendly? i don't think linux
-> should be any user-friendly than it already is. the morons complaining
-> about linux having to many confusing aspects or cryptic commands, etc.
-> etc. shouldn't be using linux and should use windows instead. not
-> everyone should use linux... only those who actually need linux to
-> perform some powerful, administrative tasks, not the general public...
-> the general public should be using winblows. gnome, kde and the other
-> desktop envoirnments are trying to make linux operation easier, but i
-> don't think they should make it too easy. linux isn't supposed to be
-> friendy... it's supposed to be a powerful, stable os that can actually
-> do stuff... stuff that windoze can't do and other operations that would
-> be too confusing for the average windoze user.
->
-> what do you think?? i'm just curious as to what anybody else thinks
-> about this. btw, i have slackware and use fvwm2... i don't really like
-> fancy stuff (as you've probly guessed). i love my command line and i
-> love typing away furiously doing various complex commands... so i wanna
-> hear what you think (if you like lots of terminals and typing... or a
-> nice, easy interface). just curious... hope i didn't offend anyone,
-> (ie, kde/gnome users) heh...
->
-
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From: Nils Freese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ATI RAGE 128 FURY and X
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 00:05:54 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Carlo Leorini wrote:
>
> Is there somewhere a support (a X11 server, even beta) for this card ?
> Thank you for the help !
Xi (www.xig.com/Pages/CardMfgrATI.html) claims to offer support
of the Rage128-Chipset in it's latest Version if >>Accelerated X<< (V5)
I didn't check it myself, but got credible reports
of people who did.
regards
Nils
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: ANNOUNCE: WebMacro 0.85.1
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 00:16:56 GMT
WebMacro Servlet Framework
==========================
Announcing WebMacro 0.85.1:
http://www.webmacro.org/
WebMacro is a Java servlet development framework, including a
template engine and extensible component model. It uses Java
introspection to make any object in your servlet accessible
in your template.
WebMacro is free under the GPL, with alternate licensing available
for commercial users.
Is WebMacro Useful?
===================
Try it out yourself, it's free! As for what others think, here's
what people on our mailing list have to say:
"FYI Justin, I'm now running over 10 web applications (in
production) using WebMacro. It runs like a scalded dog, and
makes it easy for the designers to produce layout, so I can
concentrate on code. Keep up the good work."
-Jason Hill
"BTW, I really like your philosophy, and the code looks nicely
done. I was looking at the latest JSP incarnation and my
stomach was churning. The simple $x.y.z and # syntax you use
is perfect."
-Ari Halberstadt
"so much of webmacro is what I had planned to write on my own, only
better laid out"
-Robert Hentosh
"Finally, thanks for a great product that saves you from the
problem with writing html-code in your Java sourcefiles!"
-Jonsson Fredrik
"I found Webmacro last Friday just as I was completing a suite
of servlets. Fetched the mailing list archives (and actually
read them <g>) and totally loved the concept and the direction
that webmacro is heading. I've been rewriting my set of
servlets and gleefully tearing every shred of HTML code out
of my java <*very* big grin>."
-William Featherston
"Ease of use plus power makes killer apps."
-Simon Arthur
What's WebMacro for?
====================
The WebMacro philosophy is:
"Things that you don't care about should get out of your face."
Or to put it differently, WebMacro allows you to bring model/view/controller
approach to servlet programming: the servlet (controller) programming is
written in a standard Java code with no HTML; the front end (view) HTML
template is written in WebMacro script; and WebMacro provides both with
access to back end data sources (the model) via the ResourceBroker.
Programmers should not have their code cluttered up with HTML and
stylesheet junk. Web page designers should not have to put up with
complex and scary looking program code.
WebMacro lets programmers get back to programming--in a full fledged
programming language; while letting page designers spend more time
on appearances and less time on figuring out how to get more whitespace
out of a CGI script.
You can read more about this philosophy of servlet design in my article
"Fundamentals of Servlet Design" (http://www.webmacro.org/Servlet.html).
Or just download WebMacro and try it out for yourself!
What Changed?
============
- 0.85.1 fixed minor bugs: extraneous errors in log cleaned up,
introspector now uses iterator() methods properly, docs updated.
- 0.85 added reloadable templates, cleaned up the WMServlet API,
added template paths, made it easier to compile under Java 2,
and fixed several nasty bugs.
- 0.80 added method calls, generic templates, template parameters,
list initializer syntax, comments, bug fixes, and a few other things;
0.80.1 fixes a minor bug in 0.80 (name of error template).
- 0.75 added the component model, full fledged introspection
0.75.3 fixes all bugs reported as of January 22 1998
- 0.70 more back end services, better design, and fewer bugs
- 0.60 script language mostly in place, minimal introspection, many bugs
- 0.30 WebMacro said "Hello, World!" in a secret experiment
Pre 1.0 version numbers indicate what percentage of the full feature
set has been implemented. Most features are now in place; many bugs
have been fixed-- but we still have a few important things to do
before we can release 1.0.
What are the Advantages?
========================
* Clarity. Simple, obvious script language with minimal syntax.
* Power. Templates can access any object in your Java servlet.
* Elegance. Keep HTML out of your servlet code.
* Independence. Build or change templates without touching your servlet.
* Extensibility. Component model lets you to extend and customize WebMacro.
* Friendly. WebMacro won't confuse your XML/HTML editor or parser.
* Free. WebMacro is available under the GNU Public License.
I Need an Example!
==================
The WebMacro introspector analyzes your objects, and figures out that
in the template $MyStuff.Customer.Fred.Email, which you could
stick anywhere, resolves to the String value of
context.get("MyStuff").getCustomer("Fred").Email. In addition,
WebMacro provides a layout oriented, simple script which
you can use to control page content. Here's an example:
<h1>Products for $Store.Name as of $Store.Date</h1>
<table><tr><td>What We Have</td> <td>How Many Left</td></tr>
#foreach $product in $Store.Products {
<tr><td>$product.Name costs \$$product.Price</td>
#if ($product.isAvailable()) {
<td>There are $product.Count in stock</td>
} #else {
<td>Sorry, out of stock.</td>
}
</tr>
}
</table>
The template language has access to a lot of the back end functionality
by way of special variables like $Cookie, $Response.Header, etc.
From the programmers point of view, Store, Product, etc., are
just regular objects. No work is required to open them up to the
introspector--just toss them in a WebMacro hashtable and it will
work out what properties and sub-objects are available.
See the website to learn more.
Where is It?
============
website: http://www.webmacro.org/
list: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
me: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WebMacro is now usable, but still experimental. Everyone interested is
encouraged to join the mailing list to contribute ideas--without the
valuable contributions of Tom, Cristi, Frank, Simon, Klaasjan, Kyallee,
Graydon, Michael, Dirk, and everyone else who contributed ideas, code,
and bugs, we wouldn't be where we are--Thanks!
Justin Wells / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: hellraiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: linux being user-friendly
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 15:24:45 -0400
why are poeple trying to make linux user-friendly? i don't think linux
should be any user-friendly than it already is. the morons complaining
about linux having to many confusing aspects or cryptic commands, etc.
etc. shouldn't be using linux and should use windows instead. not
everyone should use linux... only those who actually need linux to
perform some powerful, administrative tasks, not the general public...
the general public should be using winblows. gnome, kde and the other
desktop envoirnments are trying to make linux operation easier, but i
don't think they should make it too easy. linux isn't supposed to be
friendy... it's supposed to be a powerful, stable os that can actually
do stuff... stuff that windoze can't do and other operations that would
be too confusing for the average windoze user.
what do you think?? i'm just curious as to what anybody else thinks
about this. btw, i have slackware and use fvwm2... i don't really like
fancy stuff (as you've probly guessed). i love my command line and i
love typing away furiously doing various complex commands... so i wanna
hear what you think (if you like lots of terminals and typing... or a
nice, easy interface). just curious... hope i didn't offend anyone,
(ie, kde/gnome users) heh...
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From: Jeffrey L Straszheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: posting language (was: coredump wit free())
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 15:59:38 -0400
Steve Summit wrote:
> > It seems clear to me that people with a .com address should be made aware
> > that English isn't the only language spoken on this globe and that there is
> > no $DEITY-given right to demand English be the only language used in a big 7
> > usenet group.
> Hear, hear. Of all the knee-jerk "don't post that here"
> followups in comp.lang.c, the "don't post that non-English stuff"
> ones are among the saddest. If you can't read the language a
> post is written in, just don't read it. That's what I do, for
> example, with Peter "Shaggy" Haywood's posts; I don't ask him not
> to post.
I too agree. The internet is not only for we Americans. However,
I think it would be fair edicit to modify the subject of a posting
to match the language of the contents.
--
--Jeffrey Straszheim
---Systems Engineer, Programmer
----stimuli AT shadow DOT net
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From: Matt Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Autoconf
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:31:59 -0500
As far as I know, kernels with versions 2.0.xxx are considered to be stable
versions of the kernel, versions 2.1.xxx are considered to be somewhat unstable,
and 2.2.xxx are considered to be highly unstable....they are built mainly for
testing purposes. I assume that versions 2.2.xxx of the kernel are built mainly
to test to see if certain modules or features work....that 2.1.xxx versions of
the kernel are built to find bugs in the kernel, and 2.0.xxx are what's
distributed as working. Chances are that the framers didn't include the header
file with your version of the kernel, because they're distributing it for
testing purposes and didn't see a need to include it in with that distribution.
But, I have been wrong before.
Hope this helps,
Matt Cole
Tom Holmes wrote:
> When I installed Linux-2.0.36-0.37 from RH 5.2. I recompiled the kernel
> correctly and added a module for the rtl8139 network card. This worked
> great.
>
> I recently compiled the 2.2.4 kernel and for me, included SMP support.
> Everything seemed to be ok, except in the menuconfig, there was no support
> for the rtl8139 network card. I have seen other cards which use this
> chipset, but I am uncertain which card to select which will compile this
> driver.
>
> I have the latest rtl8139.c driver which came with the 2.2.4 source. I
> opened the file and got the instructions on how to compile the driver for a
> SMP system. When I run the command, I get the error that the autoconf.h
> file is not found. Sure enough, this file is nowhere to be found on the
> system, or at least I couldn't find it. I looked in '/usr/include/linux'
> and it is not there.
>
> How do I get it? I think I found somewhere on the Internet where I can get
> it and un-zip it. Does it matter which version I get. I did install RH 5.2
> (2.0.36) originally, but now I am using 2.2.4 which has nothing to do with
> Red Hat anymore.
>
> Can anyone help me out with this?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tom
--
"So Lone Starr, now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is
dumb."
-- Dark Helmet (Rick Moranis), "Spaceballs"
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From: Geoff McCaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: VMWare speed
Date: 18 Apr 99 00:28:25 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Just wanted to know if anyone has any spex as to how fast vmware runs? For
> instance I have an AMD K62 300Mhz machine with 64 mb RAM and I just wanted to
> know if programs will run fairly equivalent to just running one OS. I know
> that it will run a little slower, but how slow?
I use it on a 450MHz PII machine with 128MB RAM. The performance is fine,
though you notice that screen operations are a tad slower when running NT in
a window. Certainly not much of a hit.
When I run a Linux VMware box, I get ~430 BogoMIPs, so you can see it's
pretty near the performance of the host machine.
However the amount of RAM you allocate to your virtual machine will have an
impact. I give my NT VM 64MB, which grabs a slightly more than 64MB chunk of
my RAM. Now with 128MB onboard, that's not much of a problem, but if I only
had 64MB it might hurt more.
Obviously you only have the resources of the host machine to work with, so
if you run something that thrashes the host machine, and something that
thrashes the virtual machine, well, they're both going to run slow.
If you're doing multi-platform software development, or developing
networking software like I am, it does help a lot to reduce the clutter of
extra hardware needed.
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