Linux-Misc Digest #1, Volume #20 Fri, 30 Apr 99 20:13:12 EDT
Contents:
How does Q3A Run on your system? (Jason Bond)
Re: Kernel 2.2.X rpm (Todd Ostermeier)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (PILCH Hartmut)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to "GNU Communism") (jedi)
Re: Where to get glibc2 source... (Juergen Heinzl)
Linux Counter: 96921 registered Linux users ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Open source on one CD (GNUware)
Re: WordStar (or equiv.) on LINUX? (Ernesto =?US-ASCII?Q?Hern=E1ndez-Novich?=)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
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From: Jason Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How does Q3A Run on your system?
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:54:54 -0700
I've installed Q3A on my celeron 366 (o/c to 458) with 128 meg of
ram, only a voodoo 1 unfortunately. I get anywhere from 6-15 fps
which is quite unsatisfactory to play with. What do other people
get (and with what systems)? It seems to me that 6-15 fps
is slower than it should be with the system I am running...maybe not...
what do you think? Thanks,
Jason
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From: Todd Ostermeier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Kernel 2.2.X rpm
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:53:58 -0500
On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, Neal Barney wrote:
: Dan Nguyen wrote:
: >
: > In comp.os.linux.setup Aaron Dershem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: > : Any word on when Red Hat will release a 2.2.X kernel RPM? I downloaded the
: > : source files from kernel.org, but I'd rather have a painless, no-brainer
: > : upgrade.
: >
: > Why upgrade your kernel? Shouldn't it becuz you want your system to
: > run more effienciently. So compile your own kernel. Kernel RPMs are dumb!!!!
:
: This actually, isn't too far from the truth. I just compiled the 2.2.7
: kernel on my machine two days ago. Before I was running standard
: RH5.2. I can't believe the speed increase. I figured it would improve,
: but I had no idea. Oh, and be careful with a kernel RPM. Don't use rpm
: -U {kernel rpm here} That doesn't work like you think it would. Trust
: me. :) I was a newbie once.
Precompiled kernels in general are a Bad Idea (tm). The only real use
they have are for installation or rescue disks. The point behind having
the kernel source available (besides the ability to change it) is so that
you can customize the kernel to fit your machine, thereby removing bloat
that is seen in certain other os's. The only rpm'ed kernel that would be
worth using would be a source RPM, but how hard is it to untar a tarball?
Your kernel should fit your machine.
________________________________
Todd Ostermeier
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/~ostermer/index.html
ICQ UIN: 2253928
A-723
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (PILCH Hartmut)
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 22:20:04 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach) writes:
>Not exactly. Capitalism is largely a belief system that the most efficient
>way to get everything done is to allow competition on many levels, by making
>it so that the way you make money is to do what needs to be done.
...
>In fact, Linux is a beautiful example of capitalism and free-market politics.
>It is the answer of the free market to the problem of a monopolistic vendor of
>shoddy OS's; we replace them. We don't wait for something better to come
>along, we come along and become something better.
Some of us, the creators of good free software, do what needs to be done ---
without making money. Evidently the FSF doesn't make a lot of money.
>That said, you don't make a lot of money being useless. RedHat makes money,
>because RedHat offers something that is of use to people. Cygnus makes money
>by offering utility to its customers.
Redhat has acquired enough fame to occupy a very special and small niche in
the market system, where some money can be made. If you keep doing the
things that need to be done, you can often get the chance to occupy a nice
niche somewhere some day. In extreme cases like Redhat, you can then even
afford to pay 6 Gnome programmers, who do what needs to be done, but don't
contribute anything to Redhat's profits.
>But not all capitalism is about naive commercial companies that haven't caught
>on to the technology. Capitalism is a system in which everyone gets to play
>on whatever terms they want.
Yes, but often with the result that, by doing what needs to be done, you
can only become poor.
-phm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to "GNU Communism")
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:14:13 -0700
On 30 Apr 1999 11:26:15 -0700, Mike Coffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Ewan Dunbar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Yes. As the thread has mentioned before, there are areas in which
>> capitalistic ideas simply do not work. Technology is one of them,
>> especially computing. While it has a few meagre benefits, on the
>> whole, capitalism gets computers nowhere.
>
>What kind of processor do you use? Was it developed for profit by a
>capitalistic corporation?
A souped up 80386: release date 1985, 14 years ago.
I would rather use an Alpha or PPC.
[deletia]
--
Microsoft subjected the world to DOS until 1995. |||
A little spite is more than justified. / | \
In search of sane PPP Docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: Where to get glibc2 source...
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 23:07:23 GMT
In article <7gce6m$n4k$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter Nelson wrote:
>In article <Pine.LNX.4.10.9904301014510.9223-100000@darkstar>,
> Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> I know where the seg faults are coming from: anytime a program is linked
>> with a different release of glibc2 than what I have, they seg fault. Come
>> on GNU, where's that v. 2.1.0? :-(
>
>ftp://egcs.cygnus.com/ has glibc-2.1, but not the crypt tarball (or maybe
>it was linuxthreads...) which i got from ftp://ftp.funet.it/
>
>but! i couldn't get it working, had unresolved symbols, so either my
>compile was broken, or it's not backward compatible (or it's 'cos i'm
>using rh 5.0 atm :( )
Enter your_unresolved_symbol here : ___________ 8-) ... It might help
to know since I've got 2.1.1pre1 now, no distribution though. Only Applix
caused trouble yet and the RH rpm's (2.1.1) come with an additional
library that is not part of the original 2.1.1 distribution ...
Mind that the versions must all match, say you cannot mix the 2.0.112
pthreads stuff with the 2.1.0 C library stuff.
Cheers,
Juergen
--
\ Real name : J�rgen Heinzl \ no flames /
\ EMail Private : [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ send money instead /
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux Counter: 96921 registered Linux users
Date: 30 Apr 1999 23:00:06 GMT
This is the monthly report from the Linux Usage Counter.
It is posted on the 1st of every month on the newsgroup
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This is the Linux Counter summary as of Fri Apr 30 17:20:50 1999
There are 96921 persons registerd.
2969 users have been registered by friends.
There are 53192 machines registered.
I guesstimate that between 0.2% and 5% of all Linux users have
registered with the Linux Counter.
So the total number of Linux users is probably between
1,938,420 and 48,460,500 people.
WHERE LINUX USERS LIVE
The table is sorted by number of Linux users divided by population
No Country Pers Fri Mach P/Mpop Mpop
======================================================================
1 NO Norway 2309 50 964 526.7 4.4
2 FI Finland 2506 57 1267 490.9 5.1
3 AQ Antarctica 2 0 0 486.0 0.0
4 DK Denmark 2042 16 749 389.0 5.2
5 IS Iceland 103 3 58 381.1 0.3
6 SE Sweden 3183 61 1516 357.6 8.9
7 SI Slovenia 476 8 122 243.9 2.0
8 EE Estonia 296 17 202 202.8 1.5
9 NL Netherlands 2742 49 1248 176.1 15.6
10 CA Canada 4226 83 2017 146.6 28.8
11 AT Austria 1168 31 607 145.6 8.0
12 AU Australia 2417 49 1280 132.4 18.3
13 US USA 32715 805 15666 122.8 266.5
14 NZ New Zealand 416 3 272 117.2 3.5
15 CH Switzerland 823 15 431 114.2 7.2
16 GI Gibraltar 3 0 6 104.3 0.0
17 LU Luxembourg 43 0 11 103.4 0.4
18 BE Belgium 1035 525 505 101.8 10.2
19 HU Hungary 1001 40 590 100.1 10.0
20 DE Germany 7841 184 3864 93.9 83.5
21 FO Faroe Islands 4 0 2 91.2 0.0
22 IE Ireland 322 5 162 90.3 3.6
23 GL Greenland 5 0 1 85.9 0.1
24 VG Virgin Islands (British) 1 0 0 75.8 0.0
25 GB Great Britain 4255 108 2084 72.7 58.5
26 IL Israel 392 14 168 72.3 5.4
27 FR France 4038 114 1396 69.2 58.3
28 SG Singapore 235 7 99 69.2 3.4
29 ES Spain 2519 32 652 64.3 39.2
30 MC Monaco 2 1 2 63.1 0.0
31 PT Portugal 578 10 229 58.6 9.9
32 AD Andorra 4 0 0 55.0 0.1
33 HR Croatia 230 6 60 46.0 5.0
34 KR Korea (South) 1989 16 283 43.7 45.5
35 GR Greece 425 15 164 40.3 10.5
36 GU Guam 6 0 0 38.2 0.2
37 CY Cyprus 28 0 3 37.6 0.7
38 LT Lithuania 135 2 71 37.0 3.6
39 CZ Czech Republic 374 16 229 36.2 10.3
40 MT Malta 13 0 6 34.6 0.4
41 IT Italy 1943 65 744 33.8 57.5
42 UY Uruguay 106 0 23 32.7 3.2
43 BM Bermuda 2 0 4 32.2 0.1
44 LI Liechtenstein 1 0 3 32.1 0.0
45 KY Cayman Islands 1 0 2 28.9 0.0
46 BB Barbados 7 0 2 27.2 0.3
47 BN Brunei 8 0 3 26.7 0.3
48 PL Poland 1015 55 704 26.3 38.6
49 CR Costa Rica 79 0 34 22.8 3.5
50 BZ Belize 5 0 5 22.8 0.2
51 MV Maldives 6 0 1 22.2 0.3
52 SK Slovakia 114 1 83 21.2 5.4
53 MP Northern Mariana Islands 1 0 1 19.1 0.1
54 BG Bulgaria 161 6 72 18.7 8.6
55 BR Brazil 3018 52 685 18.6 162.7
56 TW Taiwan 395 4 151 18.4 21.5
57 MH Marshall Islands 1 0 0 17.1 0.1
58 RO Romania 369 36 191 17.0 21.7
59 LV Latvia 38 0 29 15.4 2.5
60 MY Malaysia 287 7 72 14.4 20.0
61 ZA South Africa 599 12 271 14.3 41.7
62 AR Argentina 451 7 128 13.0 34.7
63 CL Chile 186 6 76 13.0 14.3
64 TT Trinidad and Tobago 16 0 4 12.6 1.3
65 NC New Caledonia 2 0 7 10.7 0.2
66 VI Virgin Islands (U.S.) 1 0 0 10.3 0.1
67 MQ Martinique 4 0 1 10.0 0.4
68 KW Kuwait 19 0 4 9.7 2.0
69 PF French Polynesia 2 0 2 8.9 0.2
70 BH Bahrain 5 0 3 8.5 0.6
71 PA Panama 22 0 10 8.3 2.7
72 TN Tunisia 73 0 11 8.1 9.0
73 MO Macau 4 0 0 8.1 0.5
74 YU Yugoslavia (Serbia and Monte 86 6 54 8.0 10.8
75 NA Namibia 13 0 9 7.8 1.7
76 RU Russia 1144 33 486 7.7 148.2
77 BS Bahamas 2 0 0 7.7 0.3
78 PR Puerto Rico 29 0 10 7.6 3.8
79 JP Japan 806 7 218 6.4 125.4
80 MK Macedonia 13 2 4 6.2 2.1
81 VU Vanuatu 1 0 3 5.6 0.2
82 QA Qatar 3 1 1 5.5 0.5
83 MU Mauritius 6 0 2 5.3 1.1
84 VE Venezuela 115 0 45 5.2 22.0
85 TR Turkey 307 4 106 4.9 62.5
86 BA Bosnia and Herzegovina 13 0 1 4.9 2.7
87 MX Mexico 468 17 206 4.9 95.8
88 AN Netherlands Antilles 1 0 1 4.8 0.2
89 UA Ukraine 243 9 110 4.8 50.9
90 AE United Arab Emirates 14 1 6 4.6 3.1
91 RE Reunion 3 0 1 4.4 0.7
92 PY Paraguay 24 0 6 4.4 5.5
93 CO Colombia 155 2 54 4.2 36.8
94 AM Armenia 13 0 5 3.8 3.5
95 BY Belarus 37 4 17 3.6 10.4
96 JM Jamaica 8 0 2 3.1 2.6
97 TH Thailand 174 3 61 3.0 58.9
98 BW Botswana 4 0 2 2.7 1.5
99 MD Moldova 12 0 5 2.7 4.5
100 BO Bolivia 18 0 3 2.5 7.2
101 CU Cuba 26 5 16 2.4 11.0
102 SR Suriname 1 0 2 2.3 0.4
103 PH Philippines 146 4 35 2.0 74.5
104 LB Lebanon 7 1 4 1.9 3.8
105 OM Oman 4 0 0 1.8 2.2
106 HN Honduras 10 0 4 1.8 5.6
107 PE Peru 43 0 13 1.8 24.5
108 EC Ecuador 20 0 6 1.7 11.5
109 GA Gabon 2 0 2 1.7 1.2
110 GY Guyana 1 0 0 1.4 0.7
111 MN Mongolia 3 0 3 1.2 2.5
112 DO Dominican Republic 9 0 3 1.1 8.1
113 GT Guatemala 12 0 3 1.1 11.3
114 KZ Kazakhstan 17 0 8 1.0 16.9
115 SV El Salvador 5 0 12 0.9 5.8
116 ZW Zimbabwe 9 0 5 0.8 11.3
117 HK Hong Kong 5 0 0 0.8 6.3
118 LK Sri Lanka 14 1 2 0.8 18.6
119 JO Jordan 3 0 1 0.7 4.2
120 ID Indonesia 144 34 54 0.7 206.6
121 PG Papua New Guinea 3 0 1 0.7 4.4
122 ZM Zambia 6 0 4 0.7 9.2
123 UZ Uzbekistan 15 0 4 0.6 23.4
124 AL Albania 2 2 3 0.6 3.2
125 EG Egypt 39 1 6 0.6 63.6
126 CN China 739 3 145 0.6 1210.0
127 SA Saudi Arabia 11 0 8 0.6 19.4
128 MA Morocco 16 0 8 0.5 29.8
129 IN India 493 16 159 0.5 952.1
130 MR Mauritania 1 0 0 0.4 2.3
131 AZ Azerbaijan 3 0 2 0.4 7.7
132 GE Georgia 2 0 18 0.4 5.2
133 CI Cote d'Ivoire 5 0 1 0.3 14.8
134 CF Central African Republic 1 0 0 0.3 3.3
135 MZ Mozambique 5 0 2 0.3 17.9
136 PK Pakistan 35 5 7 0.3 129.3
137 VN Vietnam 18 0 2 0.2 74.0
138 NI Nicaragua 1 0 0 0.2 4.3
139 KG Kyrgyzstan 1 0 0 0.2 4.5
140 SN Senegal 2 0 0 0.2 9.1
141 MG Madagascar 3 0 1 0.2 13.7
142 TG Togo 1 0 0 0.2 4.6
143 KE Kenya 6 0 2 0.2 28.2
144 LA Laos 1 0 1 0.2 5.0
145 KH Cambodia 2 0 1 0.2 10.9
146 NP Nepal 4 0 0 0.2 22.1
147 RW Rwanda 1 0 0 0.1 6.9
148 CM Cameroon 2 0 2 0.1 14.3
149 TZ Tanzania 3 0 0 0.1 29.1
150 IR Iran 6 0 8 0.1 66.1
151 ET Ethiopia 3 0 0 0.1 57.2
152 UG Uganda 1 0 0 0.0 20.2
153 BD Bangladesh 6 0 4 0.0 123.1
154 XW The World (Somewhere in it) 253 37 1 0.0 5771.9
155 DZ Algeria 1 0 0 0.0 29.2
156 NG Nigeria 2 0 1 0.0 103.9
157 WF Wallis and Futuna Islands 1 0 1 0.0 0.0
WHERE PEOPLE USE LINUX
Place Users Percent
==============================
school 16757 17.71%
home 83424 88.17%
not used 17 0.02%
work 36349 38.42%
somewhere 2814 2.97%
==============================
TOTAL 94618 100.00%
NOTE: The total is the 94618 users who answered this question.
Some gave more than one answer, so the number of answers is 139361
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From: GNUware <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Open source on one CD
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:00:23 -0600
We're looking to promote Linux and related open-source software in an
easy-to-use format. I'm curious to see what sort of response people might
have to a CD that held hundreds of programs for Linux. Rather than trying
to access all the software from off the Internet, we've designed a CD
containing a large variety of free Linux programs that makes installation
quick and easy. It comes with a handy interface for browsing the contents
via a javascript-enabled browser.
We're looking to make this product accessible to customers with slow
connections and who would like to try out Linux. We expect something
like this to be of great assistance to customers overseas who have slow
connections to the Internet but are eager to try out all the lastest
Linux software.
The site is rather new still, but we're hoping to improve. We are also
planning in the near future on offering CDs containing the same software
only in rpm and deb format.
You can check out the CD's content and peruse the site at:
http://www.gnuware.com/
Let me know what you think.
--
K. John Cox
President, GNUware
http://www.gnuware.com
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From: Ernesto =?US-ASCII?Q?Hern=E1ndez-Novich?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: WordStar (or equiv.) on LINUX?
Date: 30 Apr 1999 17:44:32 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Help, please.
: I know someone who would like to switch to LINUX. Because he can type 100 WPM
: and knows WordStar for DOS better than his phone number, he would like to know
: if a version of WordStar, with control diamond (Ctrl+S, Ctrl+E, Ctrl+X, and
: Ctrl+D) functionality, exists for LINUX. Or, an equivalent. I looked into
: StarOffice, it looks like it came out of StarWriter.
: Does anyone know what became of WordStar? Has anyone heard of someone buying
: WordStars assets or code or the rights thereto?
: Or, can he just run WordStar in a DOS window? He needs this as an
: honest-to-God word processor, not a text editor.
: I would appreciate any help you can provide.
Have him try JOE
--
Ernesto Hern�ndez-Novich - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Running Linux 2.2.5
Just another Unix/Perl/Java hacker.
One thing is to be the best, and another is to be the most popular.
Unix: Live free or die!
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:03:20 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In his obvious haste, Prins Olivier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled
thusly:
> : errr.....i think right at this moment your nation is bombing
another
> : country trying to destabilise it forever....and about WW II i just
want to
> : say one word....Dresden....
>
> Errrrm... What about London, coventry, and many other british cities
and
> towns that were bombed by the Germans? It was a full scale world war.
>
> Oh, and it's not BRITAIN that's bombing the serbs, it's NATO, of
which
> Britain is a small part. The major influence of this offensive is
good ol'
> Bill Clinton.
Don't forget ... this is Wag-the-dog IV for Clinton. He wagged three
other times in minor ways because he was only trying to distract from
bimbo and impeachment problems. This time he needed a SERIOUS
distraction because he is trying to keep the press and the American
people from noticing his treasoneous actions in selling military
technology to the Chinese for campaign donations (121 people have fled
the USA to avoid being summoned to testify). Increasing the accuracy
of Chinese missles and giving them the technology to reduce the size of
the nuclear bombs so they can be merved is putting the entire world at
risk, just to save his leacherous neck - that's a crime against
humanity. But, for those of you who voted for him, what did you
expect? This man, who switched his stand on the death penality and
fried a lobotomized Black man to show he was tough on crime during the
1992 elections will have no second thoughts about frying you if it
serves his purpose. And he will do it claiming it is for the "good of
the children".
JLK
Linux, because it's STABLE, the source code is included, the price is
right.
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