Linux-Misc Digest #9, Volume #20 Sat, 1 May 99 16:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: AWE 64 GOLD-Linux Compatible? (John McKown)
Upgrading from kernel 2.0.36 (RH 5.2) (Salman Ahmed)
Timezone problems on Slackware (Donn Miller)
Re: RedHat 6 bash: set -o vi broke? ("Michael Y. Chiang")
Re: Using Linux instead of NT Server in home environment.... (Neil Riches)
Re: Compiling kernel for different machine (Paul Kimoto)
Re: CPU temp program on Asus board for linux? (John Westerdale)
Re: Windows NT vs. Linux testing by mindcraft (John Westerdale)
Re: AWE 64 GOLD-Linux Compatible? (brian moore)
Re: want fvwm back, now it is kde when I type startx (Gerald Willmann)
Re: How to find amount of Free Disk Space ("Jethro Wright III")
Re: linux to replace windoze machines ? (-bill-)
Re: linux to replace windoze machines ? (-bill-)
Compiling kernel for different machine (Karel Jansens)
Re: Weirdly Random(?) behaviour (Matthias Warkus)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Linux Sucks as a Java Server, comments??? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Good ISP that supports Linux (Scott Smith)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Prins Olivier)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Prins Olivier)
Re: Computer virus threat to Linux? ("Matthew B. Kennedy")
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (brian moore)
Re: Microsoft is the Communist!!! (Prins Olivier)
Re: Who's knocking at my door? (Mark Tranchant)
Re: portable linux (Mark Tranchant)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John McKown)
Subject: Re: AWE 64 GOLD-Linux Compatible?
Date: 1 May 1999 14:14:04 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm running it on RH 5.1, kernel 2.0.35, with the 4Front OSS drivers.
I had it working with the builtin drivers, but I couldn't figure out
how to get the midi to work. It kept using the FM Synth (I think that's
the right word) instead of the builtin midi.
John
On Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:41:11 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Anyone happen to know if the AWE 64 GOLD (ISA) sound card is compatible with
>RehHat 5.2? Any replies will be appreciated.
>
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>http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
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From: Salman Ahmed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Upgrading from kernel 2.0.36 (RH 5.2)
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 14:08:31 -0400
I want to try upgrading my kernel, which is 2.0.36 (Redhat 5.2),
mainly because I can't seem to get my SoundBlaster PCI128 sound
card working with the current kernel.
My question : which kernel should I upgrade to ?
Should I try the very latest and greatest 2.2.7 ?
Or should I go for one of the earlier 2.2.x ones like say
2.2.4 or 2.2.5 ?
Thanks.
--
Salman S. Ahmed
ssahmed AT interlog DOT com
Remove the "nospam." portion from my email address
to reply to this message.
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From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Timezone problems on Slackware
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 10:30:44 -0400
When I upgraded my Slackware system from libc5 to libc6, all
kinds of strange sh-, er, stuff happened.
1.) /etc/rc.d/rc.6 won't unmount /usr at shutdown like it used
to before upgrading to libc6.
2.) xclock shows the wrong time, or my timezones are all screwed
up. Again, my timezones were fine before upgrading to libc6.
Basically, since I'm running Windows 98 and FreeBSD also, I
had/have my clock set to localtime, and not UTC. I used tzselect
to set my timezone to Eastern time, and now `date' gives this:
Sat May 1 10:23:31 EDT 1999
Right now, xclock and xdaliclock both say 2:23.
This is in my startup files:
/etc/rc.d/rc.S: /sbin/clock -s
I used clock -a and clock -w to update my system clock, so my
clock should be set to localtime and not UTC. Apparently,
there's a kernel bug somewhere which is causing "date" and
[whatever lib function is responsible for time()] to be
inconsistent.
My kernel version is Linux 2.2.3. I'm also running glibc-2.0.6
(libc-6.0.6).
If there's something I'm missing here, please let me know. Also
let me know if you know the solution to the `umount /usr' dilemma
going on with /etc/rc.d/rc.6.
Thanks.
--
Donn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Michael Y. Chiang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.install
Subject: Re: RedHat 6 bash: set -o vi broke?
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 09:39:59 -0500
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In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alan W. Jurgensen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> anyone install red hat 6.0?
>
> Ive done it, but bash set -o vi doesn't work?!?!?
>
> not only is command history not there, but editing broke too....
>
> I've also tried a GNU bash, version 2.03.0(1)-release binary
> and it has same problem...
>
> hmmmmm????
>
> help apprecieated!!!!
>
> alman
I had the same problem.
I added the following to /etc/inputrc:
set keymap vi
set editing-mode vi
That seemed to do the trick.
--Michael
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neil Riches)
Crossposted-To:
microsoft.public.windowsnt.misc,microsoft.public.windowsnt.setup,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,micorosft.public.outlook
Subject: Re: Using Linux instead of NT Server in home environment....
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:26:57 GMT
On Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:24:35 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
wrote:
<snip>
>
> NO. This 'must run Microsoft apps' gibberish is as much a
> problem for Windows users as it is for a Linux advocate.
> Even on Windows there's more than just Exchange or Office.
> The assertion that some arbitrary office should be limited
> to either should never go unchallenged.
>
Errm, you do realize you're posting to
MICROSOFT.public.windowsnt.misc, amongst others? People reading this
group should expect a little 'MS-centric' advice.
<snip>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Compiling kernel for different machine
Date: 1 May 1999 14:32:02 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Karel Jansens wrote:
That is one _long_ message ID.
> I want to compile a new kernel for a laptop, but I have to do this on a
> different machine [...]
>
> Problem is: I want to keep the old kernel on the desktop (it works, so why
> change it?) and as far as I've understood even doing a 'make zdisk' will
> change the /vmlinuz file on the desktop.
>
> What I need to know: is is enough to just rename the old /vmlinuz before
> recompile (cp vmlinuz /vmlinuz.old) or does a recompile change other files
> as well? The kernel howto is not clear on this. I'm also not quite sure
> what 'make dep' and 'make clean' will do file-wise.
Don't "make zdisk". Just "make bzImage; make modules" (and "zImage"
and "modules_install" as appropriate). The new compressed, bootable
kernel images will be in arch/i386/boot.
You might want to back up the old .config and System.map files first.
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: John Westerdale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CPU temp program on Asus board for linux?
Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 16:34:18 GMT
BX,
Just did a search on lm78 on freshmeat.net. this looks pretty cool!
see:
http://users.ox.ac.uk/~kebl0850/wmlm78/
Just one example of stuff found with searches! (Ahem)
JDW
"(BXTC)" wrote:
>
> Hi, I have a AMD 400 on an Asus motherboard. My motherboard is supposed
> to have a temperature monitor in the CPU but the software is only for
> windows. I was wondering if anyone has made a linux version?
> Thanks,
>
> --
> (BXTC) ICQ# 23289202
--
* mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Beer Food Unix *
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
From: John Westerdale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows NT vs. Linux testing by mindcraft
Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 16:33:26 GMT
> I don't doubt this at all and I don't disagree. MS FUD is a
> pernicious thing - implicit in this choice of words is that it cannot
> be stopped - only met. We have to fight fire with fire, by hiring our
> own whores.
>
Why not turn the table around (like MSFT does) and define what makes
a computer usefull. Raw output/thruput is cool.... But certainly there
are other reasons why computers rock. Imagine a stage cut in half. On
one side there are 50 NT boxes simulating a NT centric environment.
On the other there are 4 Linux Boxes doing the same tasks. Then look at
all the NT technicians scrambling aroung! Now, compare the performance
in a
real network setting. Oh, you can also add a few
SGI.Sun.Mac.HP.IBM.etc...
clients on the Linux side. Look how they all work together!
(BTW, wasnt compatibility one of MSFT's original benefits?)
MSFT stuff is greatest, by design, when used in a homogenous world.
Everything
else seems a compromise. MSFT wanted SGI people to use IE off a solaris
box.
HA!
That is where IMHO Linux rules. in the real business environ. Not
running
some secret benchmark that may have no business relevance. Benchmarks
generally reveal less useful info (what do you mean this Octane at 225
MHz is twice as fast as the Xeon at 500 MHz.....how could that be, 500
is
a bigger number?)
Like with spinal tap amplifiers, windows can be turned up to 11 :^)
or... something like that...
JDW
* mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Beer Food Unix *
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: AWE 64 GOLD-Linux Compatible?
Date: 1 May 1999 18:48:35 GMT
On 1 May 1999 14:14:04 GMT,
John McKown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm running it on RH 5.1, kernel 2.0.35, with the 4Front OSS drivers.
> I had it working with the builtin drivers, but I couldn't figure out
> how to get the midi to work. It kept using the FM Synth (I think that's
> the right word) instead of the builtin midi.
To use the midi, see
http://bahamut.mm.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~iwai/awedrv/index.html
Though I will confess I do most of my midi playing with Timidity++ since
it sounds much better (at least with 10M or so of patch files :)).
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: want fvwm back, now it is kde when I type startx
Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 07:51:27 -0700
On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, Bruce Schultz wrote:
> Try deleting your .Xclients in your home directory.
DO NOT delete files you might want to use again (why TRY btw, you would
most certainly succeed) - move it to another filename if you want to see
what happens w/o it.
Gerald
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From: "Jethro Wright III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to find amount of Free Disk Space
Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 14:45:02 -0400
man du -or- man df to find out about disk utilization or
space usage on a particular file system/mount point....Jet
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================================================================
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I never did succeed in making those idiots understand their
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Bryan Gaetjens wrote in message <7gf72v$6rf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>OK, bash me for being stupid if you like, but I'm at a loss.
>
>How do you determine the amount of free space left on a disk under
>Linux???????
>
> Bryan
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply.
>
>
>
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From: -bill- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux to replace windoze machines ?
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 14:24:06 -0400
>
> I love my 1280x1024x32bpp. :)
>
go ahead and gloat brian ! <G>
I just didn't even think I could do that in unix !
what card do you have?
--
-bill-
Technical Service Systems - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: -bill- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux to replace windoze machines ?
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 14:25:10 -0400
jik- wrote:
>
> -bill- wrote:
> >
> > I am about (in 3 months, more or less) to implement a network.
> > I was planning to use windoze machines, but I spent all day today to try
> > and get one to run.
> >
> > I basically need to run Netscape Navigator at 1024 x 800 (or whatever
> > the correct description near that is) and 16 bit color and WordPerfect.
>
> You will need at least 2M of video memory. Look at
> http://www.xfree86.org in documentation at the supported cardlist to
> find supported cards.
Coming from a SCO environment I am somewhat cluless.
Does Linux come with Xfree ?
--
-bill-
Technical Service Systems - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)
Reply-To: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net
Subject: Compiling kernel for different machine
Date: 1 May 1999 15:20:02 GMT
Hi,
I want to compile a new kernel for a laptop, but I have to do this on a
different machine, because I didn't install the sources on the laptop
(partly because I thought I knew better, but mainly due to lack of disk
space). Both machines have the same distro installed (SuSE 5.3), the
desktop is a pentium 60 with 24 mb ram and the laptop is a pentium 75 with
16 mb ram.
Problem is: I want to keep the old kernel on the desktop (it works, so why
change it?) and as far as I've understood even doing a 'make zdisk' will
change the /vmlinuz file on the desktop.
What I need to know: is is enough to just rename the old /vmlinuz before
recompile (cp vmlinuz /vmlinuz.old) or does a recompile change other files
as well? The kernel howto is not clear on this. I'm also not quite sure
what 'make dep' and 'make clean' will do file-wise.
Hope this isn't too stoopid a question...
Thx
Karel Jansens
jansens_at_ibm_dot_net
===============================================================
Having a kid at sixty, that's an accident.
Having a piano fallen on your head, that's just bad luck.
Agent WD40, Dick Steel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Weirdly Random(?) behaviour
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:24:51 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:05:14 -0600...
..and Ort Man <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi, This newbie would like to get a clue about a few things.
>
> I have RH5.1 and recently did some .rpm upgrades in the attempt to
> install Gnome 1.0. Now once in a while, I'm not too sure in what
> sequence I've got annoying problems;
>
> as user quite often linux takes for ever to run MC, or even open another
> terminal window.
Does it churn out messages about X authorisation not working? This
happened to me after a Gnome upgrade.
Try throwing
xhost +localhost
xhost +<whatever-your-host-name-ist>
first thing into your .xinitrc.
mawa
--
in the distance a roasted cave newt screamed in agony
-- Andrew Palfreyman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:28:04 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:59:44 +0000...
..and Jim Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> GNU reeks of Commumism. I'll tell you why:
>
>
> 1) Karl Marx is famous for his Manifesto.
>
> GNU software includes a "Manifesto" file.
Oh, big deal. The Futurists had a Manifesto, too, and they were
decidedly fascist later on.
> 2) The Bolsheviks wanted to spread their Communist revolution all over the globe.
>
> Using the Internet, a "free software revolution" is now spreading globally.
Well, Coca Cola spread globally, too. I suppose Coca Cola is a
communist company.
> 3) Linux is getting lots of media attention these days, scaring Microsoft
> and Microsoft investors.
>
> That is reminiscent of the "Red Scare" that occured in the US in the 1950s.
Uh-huh.
> 4) The press calls Richard Stallman a fanatic...
>
> ...and they also called Vladimir Lenin a fanatic.
Uh-huh-huh.
> 5) Those who write copy-left software work without being paid,
> for the good of the "free software community".
>
> That's communism, folks.
>
>
> P.S. This is intended as humor (and a troll) ;-)
Yes. I see. *bangs head against wall*
mawa
--
And I'm not a stultifying geek. I'm a computer dweeb. Sheesh.
-- Michelle Lee, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Linux Sucks as a Java Server, comments???
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:14:22 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Mon, 26 Apr 1999 08:48:08 +0800...
..and XuYifeng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Java is dead, 1 or 2 years ago, everyone said that java will be running on
> any desktop --- write once and run anywhere.
> but now, SUN moves java to serve side.
> so I think java is dead, who will use java in server side? server should be
> speed sharp, java is slow
> whatever how you implement it, it cannot compete with C/C++, java is dead.
Well, it's found its niche, nothing really lives up to a 1990s
Corporate-America-style hype.
mawa
--
Matthias Warkus | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Dyson Spheres for sale!
It's sad to live in a world where knowing how to program your VCR
actually lowers your social status...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Smith)
Subject: Re: Good ISP that supports Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 18:59:35 GMT
On Sat, 01 May 1999 21:58:53 +0800, Twinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Good ISP doesn't recognize any computer except the PPP connection and
>TCP/IP protocol that the machine uses to talk to ISP.
How about not so good ISPs who aren't even aware that Windows Dialup
Networking is PPP!?! The guy I talked to at my ISP didn't have a clue;
I had to tell him, just give me an account and I will take care of any
problems. And strangly, I had the easiest time of getting PPP to work.
--
Scott Lacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Student of Computer Science
"Nullus Anxietas" Denton, Texas, US
The University of North Texas
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From: Prins Olivier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 21:01:55 +0200
Peter Seebach wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Prins Olivier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >And if u use Linux you dont have
> >to buy a p III to get performance.
>
> You don't for Windows, either. Now, you'll never get *as much* performance,
> but often, that's okay.
>
>
You think that's okay?? Have you ever seen win95 run on a 4086 and compared it to
linux running on the same machine, or compare playing quake 1 on a p166 under linux
or under windows, on the first it's playable in a nice resolution on the later it's
not....And do you also think it's fair that Microsoft tries to take all the credit
for their supposed increase in performance that's actually caused by better
hardware???
--
Running Windows on a PIII, is like driving a $200,000 Porsche only backwards.....
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From: Prins Olivier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 20:56:18 +0200
Peter Seebach wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Prins Olivier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Yes you do get more video games, but that isn't a fair trade-off, if Linux would
> >be in the position Windows is in they would all be Linux games. And any video
> >game you play with Linux runs better, than it does under Windows, for which they
> >are made....
>
> That's like saying "it's not fair to blame new poorly-understood structural
> materials for failures we have with them". It is fair to blame the
> "poorly-understood" part.
I dont understand your point here, do you mean that is said that it's not fair to
blame Windows for it's failures???
--
Running Windows on a PIII, is like driving a $200,000 Porsche only backwards.....
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From: "Matthew B. Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Computer virus threat to Linux?
Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 01:34:26 +1000
At my place of work, there are constant worries about .DOC files (Word
files) being infected with macro viruses (thanks Tom, for the grammer
correction). In theory, this type of virus is not limited to platform.
Let's just hope Word is never ported to Linux then!
--
Matthew B. Kennedy
Research Centre in Speech, Audio and Video Technology
Queensland University of Technology
Australia
Tom Christiansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [courtesy cc of this posting sent to cited author via email]
>
> In comp.os.linux.misc, "Matthew B. Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> :Are there any threats to Linux systems from computer virii?
>
> There is no word "virii", since there is no rule that takes "-us" to
> "-ii". There is a rule that takes "-us" to "-uses", and I suggest you
> use it by default, including for such words as virus and hippopotamus.
> Classically, there are also rules that take "-us" to "-i" as in radius or
> alumnus, to "-era" as in genus and opus, to "-ora" as in corpus, and to
> "-Us" with a macron over the long "u" as in the ancient forms of status,
> hiatus, apparatus, and prospectus. But there is simply no rule that takes
> "-us" to "-ii".
>
> The incomplete but simple answer to your simple question is a simple
> "no". The best form a virus protection is to install Unix, whether it
> be BSD, Linux, or some other flavor, all of which happily provide this
> wonderful thing called access control and protection. In other words,
> an operating system.
>
> That being said, computer folklore suggests that historically there have
> been two viruses to which Linux may have been vulnerable, but I don't
> have any details. One cannot but imagine that they were running as the
> superuser in order to circumvent the operating system's enforcements of
> separation of powers.
>
> You might also do some research into the Robert Morris worm, which
> targetted only the Sun and Vax platforms. Exploits against setuid
> programs are a well-known issue, particularly now that we have executable
> stack pages, arguably not the cleverest of "innovations".
>
> Binary intrusions are of limited effect in an environment populated
> with diverse combinations of hardware and software platforms. If you
> try to insinuate a bit of Wintel DNA into a Sparc running BSD, you will
> quickly find yourself barking up the wrong tree with the wrong dog.
>
> That's why it's a highly significant matter of National Security that
> we *not* all run identical platforms, particularly in government work.
> You wouldn't expect us to fill all of our wheat fields with clones of
> each other, lest one particular virus destroy them all. In computing,
> the same principle applies, and for the same reason.
>
> Hybrid vigor is a good thing.
>
> --tom
> --
> "Believe me, Baldric, an eternity in the company of Beelzebub and all his
> hellish minions will be as *nothing* compared to five minutes alone with
> me...and this pencil."
> - Edmund Blackadder to Baldrick, `BA III'
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: 1 May 1999 19:13:30 GMT
On Sat, 01 May 1999 18:13:47 GMT,
Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Windows is still *relatively* inexpensive, as in, it's not very much of the
> cost of the computer.
Oh?
It's a pretty good chunk of the price of a sub-1000 dollar system.
> And, of course, there's a lot of freeware for Windows, too. They're still
> way ahead on installed base and software selection, for a little while yet.
Most of the 'freeware' for Windows is quite shoddy. You're talking
about a platform where people charge $20 for shareware that will tell
you your IP number.
We won't even get into the difference between 'freeware' and 'Free
Software'.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Prins Olivier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Microsoft is the Communist!!!
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 21:09:10 +0200
"Christopher B. Browne" wrote:
>
> You seem to be believing the common misapprehension that there is a
> single axis that is the "political spectrum," where there is a "left
> end," and a "right end."
>
> Jerry Pournelle did an essay (and he tends to be considered on the
> "right wing of the bird") where he provided two axes, and did a
> taxonomy of various political positions based on those axes. He
> seemed to do a reasonably honest job, and the classifications were
> fairly good.
>
> [His axes: [rational <----> nonrational], [authoritarian <-----> libertine])
>
> My tendancy is to think that there are probably *at least* two axes,
> and probably more.
>
> Under such, "communism" and "fascism" might very well turn out to be
> very nearly adjacent to one another.
>
> Generally speaking, both kinds of states have turned out to be
> extremely authoritarian, establishing and using "secret police" to
> control their populaces. There certainly are differences in rhetoric,
> but on some practical matters, the differences are small...
>
> >(In the political spectrum, that tents to be Fascism, which is FAAAAR
> >worse)
>
> Fascism (and you at least spelled it right; so many call it "facism")
> is the great "demon" of the 20th century; the fact that Godwin's Law
> exists establishes that it's a great conversation-stopper.
>
> It is less clear, difficult to prove, and *impossible* to (due to
> things like Godwin's Law) usefully debate whether communism could have
> caused FAAAAR worse results than fascism has.
>
> There probably have been more deaths resulting from actions of
> putatively communist states than from the actions of fascist states,
> but it's not useful to debate this, because [flodA reltiH] (reverse
> it!) tends to quickly come up, and peoples' prejudices and other
> immensely strong feelings squelch the communication of ideas.
>
>
You forget that if you use the word communism for those states, you are very
wrong those states ween't even close to communism. They could, arguably, be in
the state of the dictatorship of the working class. Which always turned out to
be just an ordinary dictatorship of a few ppl, no matter what other ppl try. The
communistic state has never been achieved, a lot of ppl say it isn't possible
because it would an utopia, it would be paradise on earth which THEY think is
impossible..
--
Running Windows on a PIII, is like driving a $200,000 Porsche only
backwards.....
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From: Mark Tranchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Who's knocking at my door?
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:16:21 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Try "netstat".
Mark.
Mihaly Gyulai wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Adrian Silveanu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> >
> > Does anybody know of a program for Linux or if it comes with
> > Linux that would tell me the IP address of any computer that
> > tries to ping, ftp, telnet, etc. my computer?
>
> > on my network card LED indicator ...
>
> The LED on your network card is not for showing you activity TO
> or FROM your PC, it just shows _ANY_ activity on LAN...
>
> 'Telnet' or 'ftp' trying you can check maybe in /var/log/messages
> file...
>
> --
> Mihaly Gyulai
> http://www.freeyellow.com/members5/gyulai/
>
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From: Mark Tranchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: portable linux
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:18:14 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's been done. Slackware has had a live filesystem on their CDs, and I
believe RedHat does too.
Mark.
jik- wrote:
>
> I am thinking that a Linux system on a CDROM would be pretty cool. So,
> I have thought about how I might be able to do this.
>
> I figure I need to be able to recompile the kernel and edit varios files
> in /etc so I think booting from a floppy would be the best. Then I
> would mount the CDROM as /usr probably and then there would need to be
> some other place for the /home directory....probably a loopback file or
> zip drive maybe.
>
> I looked at the 1 floppy linux distros and I guess most seem to load
> into the ramdisk which first off I don't know that that would be
> necissary though it would be nice to be able to use the floppy drive,
> and I don't know how to do it....I don't see a howto on my disk or at
> ldp.
>
> Anyone got some pointers to places I can find the info I need? Anyone
> done this before?
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