Linux-Misc Digest #62, Volume #20 Tue, 4 May 99 19:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Slackware to Redhat Qns. (brian moore)
Re: Netscape Keeps Stalling (brian moore)
Re: line filter utility? (Tony R. Bennett)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Andrew Carol)
How to exit windowmaker without dialog? (David A. Rogers)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Andrew Carol)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Andrew Carol)
Re: Linux's Last Chance ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Andrew Carol)
Re: MS Exchange and Linux (Timothy J. Lee)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (David Kastrup)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Craig Dowell)
Re: HELP!! Linux Server crashes every 3-4 hours (Ron Bergeron)
WebEvent 3.1 BETA released - Web / CGI/ WWW Calendar Software (WebEvent)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Re: Problem: trying to load linux using the NT loader and LILO (John Forkosh)
Modem Problem---------It works but PPP doesn't Route (Eightfold�)
Prosignia 300 ("Subbiah Rajagopalan")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: Slackware to Redhat Qns.
Date: 4 May 1999 21:55:55 GMT
On Tue, 04 May 1999 15:14:07 -0500,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks a bunch, the color thing worked GREAT. However, the fortune program is
> not found., Is there another way?
Sure: install fortune.
Should be included with RH.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: Netscape Keeps Stalling
Date: 4 May 1999 21:58:26 GMT
On Tue, 04 May 1999 21:19:20 +0000,
George Hartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You shouldn't ever need to reboot under Linux unless you've replaced
> your kernel.
Or are messing with hardware. My system gets annoyed when I add or
remove cards while it's on. :)
Other than that, I agree 100%.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tony R. Bennett)
Subject: Re: line filter utility?
Date: 4 May 1999 14:53:32 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Tim Herzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I'm coming back to Unix/Linux after a long haitus, and have lost much of
>my Unix familiarity (although it's coming back quick). I seem to remember
>a program that lets you extract a range of lines from a text file: sort
>of like a grep that matches a range of lines instead of a regex. For
>example: dump lines 3-10 from a file to stdout. I've been all over the
>man pages trying to figure out if this program exists, or if I could use
>grep, cat, head, sed or something similar to do what I want. Does this
>ring any bells with anyone? I'm sure it's right in front of me, but I
>can't see it.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Tim
>
>--
>Tim Herzog
How about:
cat filename | awk 'NR >= 3 && NR <= 10'
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From: Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 14:54:30 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Free software doesn't need to 'succeed'. It merely is.
> It exists to service some need, not be and end goal
> unto itself. This is the problem with proprietary wares.
> They exist more to perpetuate themselves than to solve
> consumer problems.
If free software is made in the woods and nobody uses it, does it make
a sound?
Why it exists doesn't matter. If proprietary software serves a need
that free software doens't, then that's where people will go.
Free seems to do very well for OS's, servers, and development software.
I don't see a lot of free tax advice software. The hottest action
games are almost always proprietary. Why is there no credible option
in the consumer software market which is free?
> In the end, there are more greedy consumers that don't
> want to pay versus the relative few producers that want
> everyone to pay them. Software will still get written
> merely because there are interesting things left to be
> done.
If that is true, then proprietary software will eventually collapse and
free software will be all there is. Sounds vaugely like what what
supposed to happen to create a workers paradise. I wonder what
happened there?
Come back in ten years. Free software will be bigger than today.
Proprietary software will be bigger than today. The pie is getting
bigger and the market will decide which parts are best served by being
free and which are best served by proprietary means.
This is like kids arguing over vanilla or chocolate being the "best"
flavor of icecream.
Oh well.....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David A. Rogers)
Subject: How to exit windowmaker without dialog?
Date: 4 May 1999 20:50:09 GMT
I'd like to set the exit menu to exit windowmaker without having to confirm.
I didn't see anything like this in the docs I've seen.
Cheers,
dar
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From: Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:54:39 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Craig Kelley
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Let them do it. See how many users jump ship just like rats (both in
> terms of buying NON-Intel CPUs and NON-Copyrighted software).
Imagine if the dongle were built in (you might not even know it's
there), and all you had to do was register on-line. Do you really
think the average person would rebel?
When we get all hot about this kind of think and talk boycotts, etc we
forget we are not typical. A good question to ask is "What would my
Mom do?".
If the dongle were simply built in, and they didn't have to do anything
inconveinient to use it, they simply would not care. Do expect the
average person to rise up in anger from their home to go burn Intel
down?
Oh well.....
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From: Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:59:40 -0700
In article <7gmfej$cts$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roger Espel Llima
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> These are all hackable things. I think it's been demonstrated again and
> again that breaking copy protection IS feasible.
snip
> But copy protection can be defeated.
Today it can be defeated for very little trouble. There are steps the
hardware and software people could take which would make it so
expensive to crack that people would simply stop trying in any number.
If they saw enough revenue leaving, they would eventually take these
steps and pass the new costs on to us.
Why not encrypt the software and decrypt it in the CPU under hardware
control? The programmers model of the CPU would not even see the
encryption. There are even more ugly things which they could do.
We seem to have this mantra that nothing is uncrackable, and we belive
it because if makes us feel good.
--- Andrew
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux's Last Chance
Date: 4 May 1999 18:59:17 GMT
Steve D. Perkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Well, despite being won over by the sheer spangliness of Gnome...
> Out of curiosity, what does "spangliness" mean?!?
Check out the jargon file for a full definition of "spangle". It's
probably linked from http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/
Stu likes "Vaston"
--
>From the prompt of Stu Teasdale
Vitamin C deficiency is apauling.
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From: Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 12:02:09 -0700
In article <7gmfr5$dgj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roger Espel Llima
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >You could even distribute encrypted code
> >which is only decrypted in the CPU itself. (That's been done, it's too
> >slow today, but you never know).
>
> Blah blah blah. If it can execute at all, it can also be saved as a
> plain executable.
>
> At the very worst, you'll have to run it in some kind of JIT CPU
> emulator once, trapping all suspicious stuff, and save the results.
You miss my point. I was talking about a CPU where the decryption was
done in hardware. The programmers model of the CPU would not be able
to see around that. Even kernel level code could only see the
encrypted bytes.
It would be decrypted _only_ in the decode unit of the CPU.
> You seem to be missing the point that cracking only needs to be done
> ONCE.
I would think MS would have the funds to find a way to make that hard
enough to do that no one could hope to succeed.
>
> As for hardware protection, game consoles have tried it and failed.
As for flying machines, all failed before the Wright Brothers. This is
a hard problem, but we don't have to invent new physics to do it. It's
just a matter of the problem being important enough for someone to
invest the resources to solve it. Microsoft and Intel have the
resources and possible interest in doing this.
Oh well...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy J. Lee)
Subject: Re: MS Exchange and Linux
Reply-To: see-signature-for-email-address---junk-not-welcome
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:14:23 GMT
Jeff Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|Does anyone know if someone is working on a Linux client for MS=20
|Exchange? My company is going to Exchange in the near future and I=20
|would really like to divorce myself permanently from Windows...
Mention to them (especially accounting) that Microsoft Exchange
is a much more expensive mail server than Linux/BSD/whatever with
sendmail/qmail/postfix/whatever and IMAP/POP.
If they are really intent on wasting money on Microsoft Exchange
for mail, then at least get them to turn on IMAP and POP so you
can get at the mail there with any IMAP or POP client like
pine, xfmail, or Netscape Communicator.
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From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: 04 May 1999 23:18:43 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) writes:
> It was the 04 May 1999 10:27:42 -0700...
> ..and Mike Coffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) writes:
> >
> > > I had a long e-mail conversation with him. He's not only
> > > anarcho-capitalist, but a hard-core libertarian, too. I fully expect
> > > every libertarian to go nuts some day.
> >
> > Why would you think that? I've never heard of a libertarian going
> > nuts.
>
> Well, In My Arrogant Opinion(TM), you must be at least a bit biased
> towards general nuttiness to *become* a libertarian to start with.
Well, then no libertarian can be *going* nuts if they have to be so
from the start.
>
> That ideology is plain silly in my book. Most ideologies are plain
> silly, that is -- my way of looking at the world is not ideology-based
> but largely my own knitting.
That would be inacceptable to almost all except libertarians.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Craig Dowell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: 4 May 1999 22:01:41 GMT
>CD> It seems to me that when free markets are removed, _that's_ when
>CD> you need to start worrying. It's been proved over, and over, and
>CD> over again.
>
>no such thing as a free market, better start worrying.
Oh really? How do you define free market?
I define a free market economic system as one in which individuals, rather
than government, make most of the decisions about economic activities and
transactions. The government gets involved only to provide public goods
like defense, schools and police. Government also performs a regulatory
role in certain circumstances. The Government is more involved than I'd
prefer nowadays, but we certainly don't have a command economy.
>the liberal doctrines you espouse developed in the 18th & 19th century
>just as the reality they attempted to describe was transforming them
>into nonsense. yes, a worker is free not to work, but this is more or
>less the freedom to starve to death.
What in hell are you going off about? Are you bridging off into a
discussion of the merits of liberal socialism / social democracy?
>There are also many barriers to market entry, such as the need to be
>compatible with ms word or something.
Sure. You need to have a product someone wants to buy. It may or may
not need to be compatible with something else. Is that bad? What does
that have to do with the price of tea in Redmond, anyway?
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From: Ron Bergeron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HELP!! Linux Server crashes every 3-4 hours
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 18:23:03 -0400
I had a similar problem where the machine would just completely
freeze. It used to happen 8-10 times a week. The load on the machine
made no difference. The only way to recover was to power cycle the
box. It turned out to be the Intel Etherexpress network card. I
replaced the card over a year ago and haven't had the problem since.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > No, believe it or not....there is absolutely nothing in the logs that would
> > give a hint what went wrong. The system just locks up totally....you cannot
> > do anything on the console, and cannot ping either!! I did upgrade apache to
> > 1.3.6 and also PHP3 to 3.0.7. I thought Mysql would've played a part, so
> > upgraded that to new version. Same thing happens.....crashes approximately
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From: WebEvent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,alt.os.linux
Subject: WebEvent 3.1 BETA released - Web / CGI/ WWW Calendar Software
Date: 04 May 1999 15:48:47 -0400
Reply-To: WebEvent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 15:29:41 -0700
On Tue, 04 May 1999 14:54:30 -0700, Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Free software doesn't need to 'succeed'. It merely is.
>> It exists to service some need, not be and end goal
>> unto itself. This is the problem with proprietary wares.
>> They exist more to perpetuate themselves than to solve
>> consumer problems.
>
>If free software is made in the woods and nobody uses it, does it make
>a sound?
It doesn't need to make a sound. That's the whole idea.
One dispenses with having one's chosen platform dependent
on the Jobs' or Tramiels of the world.
>
>Why it exists doesn't matter. If proprietary software serves a need
>that free software doens't, then that's where people will go.
That presumes that the needs it addresses are that crucial.
Most of what is necessary for proprietary general purpose
computing is fairly limited wrt the bandwagon following
consumer. The set of those general purpose things that
source code 'in the public domain' doesn't do shrinks over
time.
>
>Free seems to do very well for OS's, servers, and development software.
>I don't see a lot of free tax advice software. The hottest action
>games are almost always proprietary. Why is there no credible option
>in the consumer software market which is free?
You're not looking.
Besides, the general market defines credible as !DOS rather than
whether or not abstract needs are met. That's why Free Software
is even relevant. Software capitalism too easily degrades into
something more resembling a command economy or a null copyright
enviroment where there is little monetary motivation to create
new and potentially profitable ideas.
[deletia]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Forkosh)
Subject: Re: Problem: trying to load linux using the NT loader and LILO
Date: 4 May 1999 15:12:55 -0400
Frank ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Now, when I look into bootsect.lnx I find nothing in there.??
: I created bootsect.lnx this way: logged as root in linux using "dd"
: like this:
: dd if=/dev/hdc3 of=/bootsect.lnx bs=512 count=1
Works just fine for me. As someone else mentioned,
the chars LILO appear in my file starting with the
third byte. If your file is empty, you might as well
stop there. Maybe try rerunning lilo (after checking
lilo.conf). Are you issuing dd as root (i.e., have all
necessary permissions)?
John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eightfold�)
Subject: Modem Problem---------It works but PPP doesn't Route
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 19:43:51 GMT
I am Running Linux Mandrake 5.3 with the KDE xwindows. I reloaded the
whole thing from scratch and after a day of reading HOW-TOs and scores
of news articles, I'm still stuck...
The modem connects fine to my ISP, but apparently doesn't route
correctly. No packets transfer and Netscape eventually returns
"server not found" message.
Could someone please help me with the entries in netcfg.
I went to http://nitro.med.uc.edu/DR3web/netcfg.html and did
everything he says to do and according to usernet I have a
functional PPP connection.
Any other Ideas?
Thanks
*****Microsoft Windows.... a VIRUS with mouse support*****
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From: "Subbiah Rajagopalan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Prosignia 300
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 15:32:31 -0400
Hi,
I am looking for suitable tapes for our tape drive. I am wondering if
someone can sell some to us (or help me locate someone who might be
interested in selling them). The details of the tape drive follows:
Machine: Compaq Prosignia 300
Tape Manufacturer: Wangtek
Model#: 5100HT
Assy #: 33966-006 REVD
Thanks for ur assistance!
;-)
Subbiah
Mgr - IS Dept
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